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| I will probably get bad hate mail and email. But i would more inclined to get caught up in this if they had 1200 barrel racers and any good nbha show would probably not have a show in a pen that small and the ground does not look as trashy as i have seen t and m. I know those ladies and there horses are good anyone can have a bad week and this small pen might not,be their speciality, but what would haen if they let the top 50 go instead of top 15. i know myself when my 1-d mare was with me i could get my a** beat in a pen that my mare did not like iknew which ones and just did not go, had one that i liked vut she didnot i still went, i dont know why but she wasnot the only horse. But i also knew one girl beat me in that area, she could not understand and she was bragging on how good her horse did until the next week. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I imagine there would be plenty griping if the pattern was as big as Pendleton (sp?) as well. Most would be spent by the 5th round. Would love to run there some day though |
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Location: Florida.. | daisycake123 - 2013-12-13 9:29 PM I will probably get bad hate mail and email. But i would more inclined to get caught up in this if they had 1200 barrel racers and any good nbha show would probably not have a show in a pen that small and the ground does not look as trashy as i have seen t and m. I know those ladies and there horses are good anyone can have a bad week and this small pen might not,be their speciality, but what would haen if they let the top 50 go instead of top 15. i know myself when my 1-d mare was with me i could get my a** beat in a pen that my mare did not like iknew which ones and just did not go, had one that i liked vut she didnot i still went, i dont know why but she wasnot the only horse. But i also knew one girl beat me in that area, she could not understand and she was bragging on how good her horse did until the next week.
thats like saying let 10 teams go to super bowl.. where is the prestige in that?
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| Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
If you don't like the pattern, don't haul pro and try to qualify.
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/ |
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Location: Online | kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
If I remember right, Black Hills is a 13 second pattern. There are a lot of indoor pens that are as small as T&M.
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M?
Yes Rapid City rodeo pen is smaller than T & M |
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Location: Washington | Itsme - 2013-12-13 5:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
First and foremost they are the BEST in the WPRA. They know where the finals are. AND a great barrel horse and rider with that goal in mind will know how to take a horse into the Thomas & Mack. No surprises here. |
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~~1984 – Las Vegas visionary Benny Binion, along with Las Vegas Events and its then-president, Herb McDonald, had an eye on bringing the NFR to Las Vegas. But Oklahoma City, which had hosted the event for 20 years, was not about to let it go without a fight. It helped that McDonald and LVE guaranteed the rodeo a prize fund of $1.8 million to the cowboys and $700,000 to the contractors – compared to the $900,000 and $200,000, respectively, that was paid in Oklahoma City in 1984.
They want the NFR visitors to be in the Casinos...Not sitting at the Thomas and Mack and because of that...it is very doubtful a bigger arena will be built or used for the NFR.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | fatchance - 2013-12-13 8:57 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 5:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
Exactly and when they make a winning run they want to get paid well...Not what the NBHA pays..LOL |
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| CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM
rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M?
So thats 2 in the country...
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Location: Washington | Nevertooold - 2013-12-13 7:16 PM fatchance - 2013-12-13 8:57 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 5:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Itsme - 2013-12-13 9:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
So here's an idea. Don't run Pro. |
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Location: TX | I don't think it's wierd. They have to be able to run in every type of pen imaginable, including a small one. That's what rodeo is all about and makes it tough, the variables:) |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
There's way more than 2 in the country. There's a pen in Nebraska or Iowa that's an 11 second pen. Most of the arena in my area are 14 second pens. It's what's available & everyone knows going in what the conditions are & the size of the pattern. If you don't like it don't go.....oh wait......you can't. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | lookout hill - 2013-12-13 9:50 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 9:58 PM lookout hill - 2013-12-13 9:50 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
but....i'm pretty sure valley city is smaller than t&m
but it's a good question.....can you hit way more big pens than small pens..??? i would bet so....at least where there's big money....but if you're goal is to get to NFR and go after a buckle, you know what's at the end so they can certainly prepare
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Location: Oz, Kansas | CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:58 PM lookout hill - 2013-12-13 9:50 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
A little button doesn't scare me. I just wish they could hand rake after every 5. It wouldn't hurt anything to give the girls a few more minutes on their event. Most of the other events have at least 3 commercial breaks & the girls usually are done between commercials. |
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You guys are too much...Thers is way more I remember one pen in umm Iowa or something I think, umm yeah somewhere...
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Almost all of the arenas in my area are 14 second patterns or smaller so I don't see the big deal about running on a small pattern for the NFR. And it really doesn't matter because the top 15 are all in the same boat. They are all running in a small arena on trashy ground. Obviously it doesn't bother Bo considering he's ran like the fastest NFR times in history all in the same year.
ETA and like everyone else has pointed out, it's not like they don't know where they have to run when they start. Obviously they know if they make the NFR they will need to be able to run in the T&M. If you haul an entire year and are in the top 15 and not prepared with a horse that you think will do well at the T&M then you really suck at planning ahead LOL
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-13 10:10 PM
You can add Denver, San Antonio, Odessa, San Angelo, Cow Palace, Would you like me to go on? Take it you have never rodeo'd.
Thank you.
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| For all the haters Taylor Jajob just hit a barrel and Walker won it!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2013-12-13 10:24 PM For all the haters Taylor Jajob just hit a barrel and Walker won it! So there!!
Now what the He** did you do this for, what a Freaking jerk  |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-13 10:10 PM
You can add Denver, San Antonio, Odessa, San Angelo, Cow Palace, Would you like me to go on? Take it you have never rodeo'd.
Denver was won with a 15.37 this year...Do you rodeo?
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-13 10:27 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 10:24 PM For all the haters Taylor Jajob just hit a barrel and Walker won it! So there!!
It was just a joke, I guess it worked. They start here in about 35 minutes... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Itsme - 2013-12-13 10:30 PM Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-13 10:27 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 10:24 PM For all the haters Taylor Jajob just hit a barrel and Walker won it! So there!! It was just a joke, I guess it worked. They start here in about 35 minutes...
OK, I take it back then sorry 
Just that I stay up to watch the barrels and I love to ride with the girls, I'm really careful in what threads I open cause I dont want to lose that excitment that comes with the barrels. 
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Location: oklahoma | Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-13 10:27 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 10:24 PM For all the haters Taylor Jajob just hit a barrel and Walker won it! So there!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | dhdqhllc - 2013-12-13 10:36 PM that was kinda funny
I know I know I'm a bit touchy when it comes to the barrel's
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:24 PM
For all the haters Taylor Jajob just hit a barrel and Walker won it!
So there!!
Um what would Taylor hitting a barrel have to do with you thinking they shouldn't have the NFR at the T&M? And why would you ever wish hitting a barrel on anyone, that's like the worst barrel racing karma ever, it practically guarantees you will hit a barrel at your next 5 races (only half-joking!) |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-13 10:39 PM
dhdqhllc - 2013-12-13 10:36 PM that was kinda funny
I know I know I'm a bit touchy when it comes to the barrel's I want to try to agree it was a bit funny, NOT
I clicked the like button on your 1st response before I even replied...I just like to play around and stir the pot a little. |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-13 10:10 PM
You can add Denver, San Antonio, Odessa, San Angelo, Cow Palace, Would you like me to go on? Take it you have never rodeo'd.
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Brookings, SD 12.78, Billings, MT 13.6, Minot, ND 13.41, Omaha, NE 13.63, Waterloo, IA 13.02, Jonesboro, AR 12.10 (holy smokes), that's only going back through some of the rodeo's from August on. I could go on if needed. |
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| kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 8:43 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
You always have such a nice way of putting things.....smh |
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Location: Texas! | Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
Isn't Omaha? Or maybe it's Lincoln's pro rodeo's like an 11/12 second pattern? There are quite a few small pens out there. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | WYOracer - 2013-12-13 10:53 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 8:18 PM CYA Ranch - 2013-12-13 8:55 PM rodeomom13 - 2013-12-13 8:48 PM kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I still don't really understand the problem. They go to pro rodeos with the goal of making the finals. Why go to all the time and money and effort to try to make the finals if you don't like T&M? So thats 2 in the country...
The winner of Omaha ran a 13.2 & Jonesboro AR was a 12.1 |
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Location: In a happy place | kmcsunshine - 2013-12-13 7:43 PM
Itsme - 2013-12-13 7:10 PM Am I the only one that thinks its kinda weird we take the best 15 barrel racers in the US and put them on a pattern smaller than almost any pattern they ran on to qualify to make it there?
FYI, some pro shows are won in 12's............at least Corpus Christi used to me, I think they may have moved it since my mare ran there/
I agree kmc. I always thought to rodeo you had to be tough mentally and physically. You hit the road and go. Whatever the particular rodeo offered you accepted, took the knocks if necessary and went on to the next one. Sorry if this offends some. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2013-12-13 8:39 PM daisycake123 - 2013-12-13 9:29 PM I will probably get bad hate mail and email. But i would more inclined to get caught up in this if they had 1200 barrel racers and any good nbha show would probably not have a show in a pen that small and the ground does not look as trashy as i have seen t and m. I know those ladies and there horses are good anyone can have a bad week and this small pen might not,be their speciality, but what would haen if they let the top 50 go instead of top 15. i know myself when my 1-d mare was with me i could get my a** beat in a pen that my mare did not like iknew which ones and just did not go, had one that i liked vut she didnot i still went, i dont know why but she wasnot the only horse. But i also knew one girl beat me in that area, she could not understand and she was bragging on how good her horse did until the next week. thats like saying let 10 teams go to super bowl.. where is the prestige in that?
Maybe we could just not have the finals and send every card holder a couple of dollars..........
This is not a venue to reward mediocrity.
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| CurlyQ - 2013-12-14 11:08 AM
I wonder if some set up a pattern similar to this one? I know that the noise couldnt be duplicated but thats what tampons are for. Lol
I know if I were running at the world finals I would find a way to simulate the arena at home, at minimum the size of the pattern with at least the walls at the barrels to get used to running that close. makes sense and you can tell those who have prepared to run on that pattern, mostly likely the girls with the majority of clean runs. Not that I know for sure just an assumption. |
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Location: MD | CurlyQ - 2013-12-14 12:08 PM
I wonder if some set up a pattern similar to this one? I know that the noise couldnt be duplicated but thats what tampons are for. Lol
Many of them do. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | WrapSnap - 2013-12-14 3:30 PM CurlyQ - 2013-12-14 12:08 PM I wonder if some set up a pattern similar to this one? I know that the noise couldnt be duplicated but thats what tampons are for. Lol Many of them do.
As does the team ropers. When you want to be a winner you do what you need to do to prepare for it. |
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I would say that all those 15 gals would have access to horses that can handle that size pen and the ground conditions if they didn't think their horse would handle it good enough.
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Location: MD | HotbearLVR - 2013-12-14 3:56 PM
They should move the NFR to Dubai.
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CurlyQ - 2013-12-14 11:08 AM
I wonder if some set up a pattern similar to this one? I know that the noise couldnt be duplicated but thats what tampons are for. Lol
I know if I were running at the world finals I would find a way to simulate the arena at home, at minimum the size of the pattern with at least the walls at the barrels to get used to running that close. makes sense and you can tell those who have prepared to run on that pattern, mostly likely the girls with the majority of clean runs. Not that I know for sure just an assumption.
There is an areana around here that has an NFR jackpot every year, the place eludes my memory the barrels are set the same as they would be at t&m not sure if they put up a smaller areana wall or not I've never gone. I think it would be a ton of fun to go to and see how you clock on that size. |
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