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Location: Here | I have a question for those that feed it, I bought a bag today and when I got home it had the strangest smell, like stale beer, is that normal?
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| I feed the Patriot SR to my daughter's 2 old mares and it smells more like alfalfa. |
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Location: Here | cinch - 2013-12-14 7:10 PM I feed the Patriot SR to my daughter's 2 old mares and it smells more like alfalfa.
thanks. that is what this was supposed to be. guess i will be taking it back. |
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| Is it small green pellets? Pellets are smaller than I like but so far no one has had any problems with them. |
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Location: Here | cinch - 2013-12-14 7:23 PM Is it small green pellets? Pellets are smaller than I like but so far no one has had any problems with them.
no they are a light tan
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Patriot performance is tan and has a different smell than the Sr. I like how the Sr smells and that's what I feed. I'm not sure what to compare it to, it doesn't really smell like alfalfa to me. |
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Location: Here | Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-14 8:10 PM
Patriot performance is tan and has a different smell than the Sr. I like how the Sr smells and that's what I feed. I'm not sure what to compare it to, it doesn't really smell like alfalfa to me.
thanks. now that you mention that it did have performance on the bag.
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Location: Bandera, TX | SG, I thought you fed "whole grains?" |
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Location: Here | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-14 8:20 PM SG, I thought you fed "whole grains?"
i do. but i also like to "test" other feeds from time to time
plus they were out barley and oats dont seem to agree with the mare. 
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Location: Bandera, TX | Have you ever used a mix of rice bran, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp with flax? If so, would you share your concentrations. |
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Location: Here | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-14 9:07 PM Have you ever used a mix of rice bran, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp with flax? If so, would you share your concentrations.
long time ago. talked to lots of people and i wont feed rice bran.
I have donr alfalfa pellets a long time ago with beet pulp and flax. i just have a large folgers coffee can and used 1 can beet pulp 1/2 can alfalfa pellets and 1 cup of flax
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Location: Here | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-14 9:07 PM Have you ever used a mix of rice bran, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp with flax? If so, would you share your concentrations.
thank you for reminding me of that. i think i will trade this stinky feed in on a bag of alfalfa pellets  |
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| SG. - 2013-12-14 8:20 PM
uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-14 9:07 PM Have you ever used a mix of rice bran, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp with flax? If so, would you share your concentrations.
long time ago. talked to lots of people and i wont feed rice bran.
I have donr alfalfa pellets a long time ago with beet pulp and flax. i just have a large folgers coffee can and used 1 can beet pulp 1/2 can alfalfa pellets and 1 cup of flax
Care to share why you don't like rice bran? I've been considering it but I'm not completely sold on it. Thanks :) |
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Location: Here | wild_west - 2013-12-14 9:23 PM SG. - 2013-12-14 8:20 PM uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-14 9:07 PM Have you ever used a mix of rice bran, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp with flax? If so, would you share your concentrations. long time ago. talked to lots of people and i wont feed rice bran.
I have donr alfalfa pellets a long time ago with beet pulp and flax. i just have a large folgers coffee can and used 1 can beet pulp 1/2 can alfalfa pellets and 1 cup of flax
Care to share why you don't like rice bran? I've been considering it but I'm not completely sold on it. Thanks : )
At a seminar back long time ago some info was shared how some horses dont process it well snd it was caking their intestines. I csme home threw the bag i had away and never tried it again |
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Location: Here | Flax is much better and provides so much more for the horse
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| SG. - 2013-12-14 8:26 PM
wild_west - 2013-12-14 9:23 PM SG. - 2013-12-14 8:20 PM uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-14 9:07 PM Have you ever used a mix of rice bran, alfalfa pellets, beet pulp with flax? If so, would you share your concentrations. long time ago. talked to lots of people and i wont feed rice bran.
I have donr alfalfa pellets a long time ago with beet pulp and flax. i just have a large folgers coffee can and used 1 can beet pulp 1/2 can alfalfa pellets and 1 cup of flax
Care to share why you don't like rice bran? I've been considering it but I'm not completely sold on it. Thanks : )
Thanks for sharing, what kind of flax do you use? (You can pm me if you want, I don't want to steal your thread) |
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Location: Here | my feed store orders 50# sacks of brown flax for me. a sack lasts a long time. i used to grind it each day but now i just feed it whole |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | We can get rice bran very cheap here, since we're a major rice growing area, but the local stuff is not Ca balanced. The formulated mixes that contain rice bran are balanced correctly and bran itself is high in fiber even tho the texture can appear fine. I feed Healthy Glo with Patriot Sr and my horses have done fabulous. I do prefer whole grains on principle, but I've had horses the last few years that did better on the processed stuff so I just feed it to all of them. They don't get much grain anyway. |
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| What you are smelling is ANISE ... smells sweet with a very mild licorice tone to it ... if you have any anisette or ouzo liquor ... take a smell of it ... lol
It is a digestive enhancement to rid intestines of gas ... doesn't mean your horses are going to start farting by eating the feed. ...lol
I used to feed ADM Patriot Performance 14% pelleted feed to everything ... then they did what all of your major feed mills did to enhance their profits and marketing monies .... they even lowered the amount of GroStrong minerals in this feed ............>>> they changed their ingredients to human food and ethanol waste products and crap ingedients you can't even spell. .... Try finding the ingredients in a bag of Purina feed ... lol
I went back to Mother Nature and have been feeding rolled oats, alfalfa/corn beef feeder pellets and grass hay with one block of alfalfa/day. If you figure your ratio of each you can have a very balanced feeding program at a lower cost. I do buy the loose 25-50 lb bags of ADM GroStrong minerals to add to the above .. it is a very good mineral vitamin source and is formulated so horse can absorb the minerals .
IMO major brands of horse feeds and dog foods have really gone to using waste products and use marketing non sense to sell it to owners ...
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I didn't think Patriot used Anise. It doesn't stink like Purina and Nutrena do.  Btw, the waste products from ethanol are actually a high nutrient content and very digestible. I'm sure real food is better, but it's not as bad as it sounds |
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Location: Here | Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-14 9:53 PM I didn't think Patriot used Anise. It doesn't stink like Purina and Nutrena do. Btw, the waste products from ethanol are actually a high nutrient content and very digestible. I'm sure real food is better, but it's not as bad as it sounds
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| Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-14 9:53 PM
I didn't think Patriot used Anise. It doesn't stink like Purina and Nutrena do. Btw, the waste products from ethanol are actually a high nutrient content and very digestible. I'm sure real food is better, but it's not as bad as it sounds
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Just to name a few horse problems that have shown up in the past 10 years since GM corn has been grown for ethanol production ... KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A DNA CHANGE TO INCLUDE POISONOUS FACTORS that does not leave your body but builds up over time to affect various problems that will kill you or your horses ...
Think EPM, UNIDENTIFIABLE PROBLEMS, TUMORS, CANCERS, ULCERS, LIVER AND KIDNEY SHUTDOWNS, MORE COLICS/INTESTINAL PROBLEMS, ABORTIONS, NEW BORN FOAL PROBLEMS, KILLING HONEY BEES AND UNINTENDED INSECTS, CONTAMINATING NATURAL CROPS BY WIND/POLLEN ... etc etc
The DNA does not go away during ethanol processing and the FDA and EPA rely on the size of human and horse bodies vs an insects so that we can contain more of the poisons for years before different parts of our bodies start showing cancers, tumors or organ shutdowns. This is always the problem with companies giving grants to university researchers for good reports in order to make billions of dollars while killing everyone.
The above synopsis is the same one they used on heavy metals being in beet pulp and deciding the size of the cow would reduce the levels and said they Ok for human consumption even though the long term build up in the body would be detrimental to your health ... lol ... they have even taken the heavy metal content out of the analysis of beet pulp ...
I can only hope that Europe, Russia, African, Arab and Asian countries keep rejecting the sneaky loads of GM corn and grains sent to these countries continue to show up even with the genes they were supposed to have destroyed years ago.
Don't you remember the emergency shutdown of taco shells by Taco Bell that gave everyone diarrhea and serious stomach and intestinal bleeding which is the way it kills insects that die within hours after munching on a leaf of corn.
Read the following section by section and then see if you are inclined to make the same statement ..... and do a google on GM CORN / MAIZE if you do not like this link ... others are even more robust in their data on the dangers of GM CORN ..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_maize#Insecticide...
THE WORLD IS IN BIG TROUBLE IF IT CONTINUES TO KILL THE HONEY BEE ...
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| You are right ... it is no longer listed but their smell and palatable comments sez to me they are still using it ....
I did a google to refresh myself on ANISE .... my one little brain cell is getting older ... lol
http://animals.pawnation.com/anise-yucca-supplements-horses-4470.ht...
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I also found this which has to be the thoughts of some nerds that never owned a horse in their lives ....>>> made me think of a Happy Meal at McDonalds ....lol
Choose HEALTHY GLO Meal when:
• A high-quality, higher energy fat supplement is needed (HEALTHY GLO Meal provides 25% fat)
• Horses can benefit from the highest concentration of Omega Flax in FORAGE FIRST products
• A meal form is preferred to blend with other meal supplements
• A slightly lower feeding rate of 0.5-1.5 lb is desired
• Desire to use a HEALTHY GLO product with a granular GROSTRONG Minerals for Horses product
• The horse will benefit from a product free of corn, oats, molasses, and alfalfa
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | SG. - 2013-12-14 10:09 PM Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-14 9:53 PM I didn't think Patriot used Anise. It doesn't stink like Purina and Nutrena do. Btw, the waste products from ethanol are actually a high nutrient content and very digestible. I'm sure real food is better, but it's not as bad as it sounds
LOL SG, beer silage? 
I'm guessing that it is a bad bag.
I feed Patriot Senior to some of my horses and it doesn't smell like that.
It might have been a bad bag that was packaged up too warm. I got some MoorGlo a few months ago that smelled bad and I sent it back. They said it was a bad batch that had not been cooled properly before being bagged, and replaced it with a fresh bag. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | BARRELHORSE USA - 2013-12-15 12:35 AM You are right ... it is no longer listed but their smell and palatable comments sez to me they are still using it .... I did a google to refresh myself on ANISE .... my one little brain cell is getting older ... lol http://animals.pawnation.com/anise-yucca-supplements-horses-4470.ht... ********************************************************* I also found this which has to be the thoughts of some nerds that never owned a horse in their lives ....>>> made me think of a Happy Meal at McDonalds ....lol Choose HEALTHY GLO Meal when: • A high-quality, higher energy fat supplement is needed (HEALTHY GLO Meal provides 25% fat ) • Horses can benefit from the highest concentration of Omega Flax in FORAGE FIRST products • A meal form is preferred to blend with other meal supplements • A slightly lower feeding rate of 0.5-1.5 lb is desired • Desire to use a HEALTHY GLO product with a granular GROSTRONG Minerals for Horses product • The horse will benefit from a product free of corn, oats, molasses, and alfalfa
Healthy Glo is the only thing I could feed Lena May to keep her weight on and not have her having problems with tying up. But I fed the nuggets, not the meal.
I've also got a Dash Ta Fame daughter that can't handle grain so she gets just 2# of Healthy Glo a day and free choice grass hay. She looks fantastic.
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| I'm thinking it's a bad bag. I feed the Patriot 14% pellet to the majority of my horses and it doesn't stink. I think I have smelled the smell you're describing, that sicky sweet silage smell with the undertone of beer...I smelled that in some grain that had gotten damp and sat in my mid tack for a couple summer days. |
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Location: Missouri | I've never smelled stale beer, but I feed the 14P and is does not smell appetizing. My horses like it and look great on it, so that's enough for me.
IMO, if the pellets are clean, not dusty or broken, and there is no mold, I would give it a try...
eta: you could also call the company. They have always been kind and helpful when I've called for feeding advice.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-15 8:03 AM Someone has been reading too much internet propaganda.
Thats what I thought. |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | I tried it a few years back and couldn't barely get my horses to eat it... |
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Moormans Patriot Feed ?