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| Soo my horses just seem to hate me lol no matter how good I do for them they don't appreciate it!! I have a really hard keeper that's just driving me nuts .. I bought her 3 months ago, she was pretty thin .. Not horrible but ribby and lack of muscle and topline . I put her on ultium for a couple months and she gained but still ribby & sucked up looking.. Still needs weight for sure.. So I put her on triple crown senior bc it's such a good feed & I hear so good about it .. So my 17 yr old loves the stuff but the 6 yr old doesn't seem to really like it :/ she takes forever to eat it bc she'll take a bite and look around and then won't take another bite for 5 mins! Then she'll eat hay or beet pulp instead .. She used to never leave the ultium .. She eats it but I don't think she likes it.. So do I just keep her on it anyways or try something else ? I'm about out of feed ideas.. Unless I just go back to ultium but i know alot of people don't like purina .. I am currently feeding her 9 lb of TC senior , 5 lbs beet pulp and unlimited grass hay.. Although she's not a big hay eater at all.. I also have her on u gard pellets . So what would you guys do if she was yours !? Any other options ? She seemed to love the ultium :/ I just don't get why she doesn't like the TC .. Looks and smells great to me! My other mare sure does love it.. Sorry for the long post .. I'm just about at my wits end |
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| You might do a Panacur Power Pack or the one by Safeguard and go back to the Ultium if it puts weight on her. I would also add 2 ounces of Aloe Vera juice twice a day. Good luck. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | I used THE Muscle Mass on my mare after colic surgery. She came back beautifully. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | I would try a round of omeprazole.
I buy mine from http://www.abler.com/gastric-ulcer-treatments |
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Location: NC | It sounds like she may have ulcers. I would treat for that & see how it goes. |
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| Thanks guys! I'm not sure she has ulcers .. Can't say for sure I guess but I would think I'd see symptoms & she doesn't really follow any . She loves her feed when she was on the ultium, never left it had couldn't wait to get it .. Now not so much. I only have her on u gard pellets bc I sold the horse that was getting them so I thought I'd put her on them until they are gone . I may try the panacur power pac though . Any other feed solutions ? I hate supplements . I'd rather just have it all in the feed. These hard keepers are expensive !! |
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| Be sure there are no worms.
Get teeth worked on/checked.
check or treat for ulcers.
Use probiotics.
I usually have 1 or 2 hard keepers and those are the things that work the best. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Call Renew Gold. |
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| Adm Sr Glo and Healthy Glo. Alfalfa flake once a day and coastal Bermuda 1 flakes a day. You might try aloe Vera juice 1ounce morning and night. I also feed AE performance detox. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | She isn't hungry. Cut the senior to 5 and the beet pulp to 3.. If she is getting 9 senior and 5 beet pulp in one feeding your horse is not hungry. If it's 2 feedings she's still not hungry so cut her back and see if she nit piks at her grain or cleans it up. If she cleans it up stay on it , if not go back to ultium. |
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| Yea I think you may be right ;) I was thinking that too .. She just isn't hungry . Maybe Ill give that a try ! Thanks :) |
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Location: Florida.. | 6 lbs a day of sr is plenty.. if she wouldnt hold her weight on that then increase it..start less then go up if needed.. so id cut it back as well as beet pulp.. ultuim you didnt feed as much as you are now so she may be full.. beet pulp is filling.. i know if you cant keep wieght on then move up with lbs but start low.
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| Ok, so would it be best to cut the amount of each back or just cut the beet pulp out & keep the amount of senior she's on now ? |
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Location: Florida.. | id cut both. .. she gets hay so 6 lbs is enough to get all her nutrients.. try 6lbs a day and cut BP to 3 lbs a day.. and see how she is in 30 days. a horses stomach can really only handle 5 -6 lbs per feeding .. of anything mixed..Id soak beet pulp then add the proper amount to her grain and mix it up really good.
instance.. a 3 qt scoop of tc sr.. and a half scoop of soaked bp.. mix..it up and feed.
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| Ok, thanks ! Ill sure try that :) |
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Location: Georgia | I would suggest eliminating some possibilities first before dumping a bunch of money in different feeds and supplements. I would first have a vet check the teeth, worms.. maybe power pac and definetly a good possibility she has ulcers. Horses dont have to have the classic symptoms to have ulcers. Then come up with a good nutrition plan. I would add the fat without alot of grain. A good forage is an absolute must. And good turnout. |
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Location: Texas | I've had several fill out extremely well on Safe Choice Senior when Equine Senior didn't put weight on them. Safe Choice Senior already has prebiotics, probiotics, rice bran, flax seed, and beet pulp. I will deworm hard keepers with Quest about once a year due to worms not being as resistant to this. |
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| Ok, their worming is coming up, so I may try that then :) thanks ! |
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Location: Florida.. | psaaat - 2013-12-17 9:31 PM I've had several fill out extremely well on Safe Choice Senior when Equine Senior didn't put weight on them. Safe Choice Senior already has prebiotics, probiotics, rice bran, flax seed, and beet pulp. I will deworm hard keepers with Quest about once a year due to worms not being as resistant to this.
Equine senior is Low in fat is why.
.Triple crown Sr is high fat. |
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| Ok guys .. So I cut her food back .. She's been eating the TC a little better but still isn't crazy about it .. She started eating her hay over it this morning.. She was never like this on the ultium .. So now what ? I liked how the TC feeds have all the nice digestive aids in it.. But of course she doesn't like it.. She was like this with the purina senior also .. Soo I'm not sure what it is about senior feeds ? Does TC have any feed she may like better & gain weight on ? Or I can just keep her on the senior too .. She eats it , I just don't think she cares for it. Anyways .. Feel free to leave opinions :) I know I've been a pain with the feed threads! |
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Location: Kentucky | Fancy Lass - 2013-12-19 1:57 PM Ok guys .. So I cut her food back .. She's been eating the TC a little better but still isn't crazy about it .. She started eating her hay over it this morning.. She was never like this on the ultium .. So now what ? I liked how the TC feeds have all the nice digestive aids in it.. But of course she doesn't like it.. She was like this with the purina senior also .. Soo I'm not sure what it is about senior feeds ? Does TC have any feed she may like better & gain weight on ? Or I can just keep her on the senior too .. She eats it , I just don't think she cares for it. Anyways .. Feel free to leave opinions :) I know I've been a pain with the feed threads! You can try switching her to Triple Crown Complete, or asking a TC representative.
IMO, she sounds like she may have ulcers. She prefers hay over grain and she is ribby/sucked up. Have you tried the ulcer meds?
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | It really does not matter how fantastic a feed is purported to be if a particular horse does not find it palatable enough to eat it in sufficient quantities. Feed additives are also counter-productive if the horse hates them and therefore will not eat aggressively.
I would worm the horse, have a good equine dentist take care of the teeth, eliminate any possible health issues (ulcers in particular) and then give a couple rounds of a good pro-biotic. Beyond that I would supply a feed that horse was enthusiastic about and provide good quality hay 24/7. A moderate exercise regime should help stimulate appetite. Do not expect immediate results - these things take time. |
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| I haven't treated for ulcers . I have her on I gard pellets only bc I had a mare I used them on and sold her so I am giving them to her now. She's never preferred hay to grain when she was on purinas ultium .. She would attack that grain lol and never leave a pebble behind .. I was really looking at her weight and you can hardly see ribs at all anymore .. So she is gaining . She still needs some but not a ton more. I can go back to ultium .. Not a big deal , I just was trying to use better quality feed but that's not going well! The ulcer treatments are so expensive .. I'm just not convinced she has them.. The last mare I had was a horrible picky eater.. Would eat hay over grain anyway .. Had her scoped and nothing .. So already wasted money on it once when I'd of swore she had them. I thought about TC complete .. I wonder if that'd taste much different than the sr? I like the low NSC of the sr bc she's race bred and she's a very hot horse .. Loves to go in the gate and do her job though ;) just a pain to ride at home lol |
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| Also, she will eat the TC .. Like this morning she ate the grain then went to her hay when I left but when I went back. 20 mins later to turn them out almost all the feed was gone .. Soo do I just ignore her and keep feeding that ? I mean do they have to love it ? Lol . Idk how everyone else feels about that |
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Location: Kentucky | Fancy Lass - 2013-12-19 2:18 PM
I haven't treated for ulcers . I have her on I gard pellets only bc I had a mare I used them on and sold her so I am giving them to her now. She's never preferred hay to grain when she was on purinas ultium .. She would attack that grain lol and never leave a pebble behind .. I was really looking at her weight and you can hardly see ribs at all anymore .. So she is gaining . She still needs some but not a ton more. I can go back to ultium .. Not a big deal , I just was trying to use better quality feed but that's not going well! The ulcer treatments are so expensive .. I'm just not convinced she has them.. The last mare I had was a horrible picky eater.. Would eat hay over grain anyway .. Had her scoped and nothing .. So already wasted money on it once when I'd of swore she had them. I thought about TC complete .. I wonder if that'd taste much different than the sr? I like the low NSC of the sr bc she's race bred and she's a very hot horse .. Loves to go in the gate and do her job though ;) just a pain to ride at home lol
What about TC Low Starch.
There are inexpensive ulcer treatments out there. Try doing a search on BHW, there options. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-17 9:00 PM psaaat - 2013-12-17 9:31 PM I've had several fill out extremely well on Safe Choice Senior when Equine Senior didn't put weight on them. Safe Choice Senior already has prebiotics, probiotics, rice bran, flax seed, and beet pulp. I will deworm hard keepers with Quest about once a year due to worms not being as resistant to this. Equine senior is Low in fat is why.
.Triple crown Sr is high fat.
I was looking at the TC website and it showed the Senior feed as 10 percent (min), is that the one you mean? Because Purina's senior is 14 I believe. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | OOps I stand corrected walked to the barn and got fthe feed tag off the Purina senior, and it only has 5.5 %. Well, I have been looking to change, so think I will try the TC  |
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Location: North Dakota | If you want more fat, with little amounts look into rice bran, I've personnally had it do wonderful things to my hard keepers with just a pound or so....and they like it. I used the pelleted from TSC. Omeprazole from Ulcercure OTC is relatively cheap. My horse had blood in his stool, which is an optional test for ulcers, rather than a scope. Find a feed she loves and feed it in sufficient quantities. Just because you like it doesn't mean they will. |
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Location: La Vernia, TX | MO gal - 2013-12-15 10:23 PM
Be sure there are no worms.
Get teeth worked on/checked.
check or treat for ulcers.
Use probiotics.
I usually have 1 or 2 hard keepers and those are the things that work the best.
What she said!
I would also feed her alfalfa. Anything she puts in her mouth should be the highest quality nutrition you can get her to eat. |
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| Yes Tailwind I really like the TC senior :) hopefully your horse likes it ! Lol what do you all think of the ultium quality wise? I don't know of many other high fat feed options if she won't eat the TC .. |
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Location: Florida.. | Id keep feeding it. it takes time.. also complete is great as well. if you feel like switching do.. so.. its 12 -10 and more textured sweet feed consistency.. minus all the sticky molasses..but you really need to give these things time.. shes eating it.. if there is nothing wrong with her health wise id keep on feeing it or switch to complete.. but stay with it for 30 days.. no matter what.. to many changes will upset her digestive system or go back to ultium if that works but need to not change alot.. please check amount to be fed though.. not overdo it.
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Try wetting it. Some horses just prefer mush, even though the Senior is already pretty soft. It may just give her a reason to like it more.
Stick with the TC Senior. It's a great feed. And you don't need any extras on top of it, even beet pulp. The feed itself is beet pulp based, so adding more may be filing her up even more.
If she is still not eating/losing weight, I would have her checked out. Have a fecal done, make sure she's not wormy & maybe have a acupuncture person check her for ulcers. Yes, there are certain points on the horse that will show up if one has them. It's crazy. |
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| Ok thanks guys! I think I'll stick with the TC senior . Like I said she's eating it. I don't want to change so ill just keep feeding it until I have a reason not to. Ill worm her , have her teeth checked and look into ulcer meds |
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Feed delimma again.. Ugh ! Advice please