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| First of all let me preface my comment by saying congratulations to Sherry and Stingray. She seems like a humble person and good ambassador for the sport of barrel racing. She does a great job.
Now for what bothers me, lol. And this may be a "man" thing or old school, not sure. But it appeared that Sherry was pretty conservative in her riding after about the fourth round, and yes she did win another first place check and placed in every round, I get all that. But I guess I've always liked the approach of the Ty Murrays, Billy Etbauer, Cody Ohl and even Trevor I believe. They go hard for first every time and let the chips fall where they may. I've even heard Ty and Billy talk about they would rather get bucked of than safety up! And it's cost all of these guys some buckles before but they also won alot and you knew they left every ounce out on the dirt.
I understand what Sherry did is smart strategy and all that, and she is wearing another gold buckle tonight. But basically "playing it safe" bugs me lol
Wanted to add I'm not just picking on Sherry, I remember Charymane doing this her last championship and it bugged me then also. Maybe the barrel racers are just smarter than the guys? Lol still bugs me tho.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out... |
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| Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM
Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out...
Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM
Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM
Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out...
Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history!
Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won. |
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yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM
Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM
Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out...
Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history!
Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won.
It's not that I really see it as giving the other competitors a chance. It's more of a deal of "not going for 1st everytime" type of thing, it just seems "wrong" to me. I guess is the nice word to use.
Again, no disrespect to Sherry, would of soon saw her win it as anybody. Although I was really impressed by Taylor and her horse, Bo.
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Location: SE Louisiana | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:16 AM
Komet - 2013-12-15 6:10 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM
Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM
Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out...
Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history!
Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won.
It's not that I really see it as giving the other competitors a chance. It's more of a deal of "not going for 1st everytime" type of thing, it just seems "wrong" to me. I guess is the nice word to use.
Again, no disrespect to Sherry, would of soon saw her win it as anybody. Although I was really impressed by Taylor and her horse, Bo.
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The only round I felt she may have been conservative was the 10th. And after so many downed barrels, I don't blame her.
That I would disagree with. After the fifth round I really didn't think she would draw another first place check and the one she did draw was one of the slower first place times of the week If I remember right. |
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| I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men?
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| runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM
I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
I don't disagree that it worked out and was the safe thing to do. Just not my cup of tea I guess. Ty Murray had several all arounds sewed up before the end several times and he never took his foot off the pedal....and as I said he and the others I talked about have been vocal about going for first place every round. I just thinks it adds a element to their stature in the history of the sport. And it's what being a Cowboy is all about (or cowgirl) IMO. |
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| runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM
I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men?
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Location: PA | I will have to go back and watch the go arounds again but I did not think Sherry ran safe . I thought Stingray looked a little "ring smart " and was REALLY hunting those barrels . I thought Sherry had to ride her hard to keep the forward motion and keep her off of those barrels . Anyway you look at it . Congrats to Sherry and Stingray . They make it look easy !
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Location: Qld Australia | runningk - 2013-12-15 10:14 PM
The only round I felt she may have been conservative was the 10th. And after so many downed barrels, I don't blame her.
I agree with this. It was obvious she safetied up in the last round and the clock reflects this. I do not see placing in every other round and setting an arena record for fastest over 10 rounds as playing it's safe at all. She was gunning it every round bar the last and who could hold that against her with the amount of knocked barrels in the last? Not me! !!!! |
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 7:32 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO I don't disagree that it worked out and was the safe thing to do. Just not my cup of tea I guess. Ty Murray had several all arounds sewed up before the end several times and he never took his foot off the pedal....and as I said he and the others I talked about have been vocal about going for first place every round. I just thinks it adds a element to their stature in the history of the sport. And it's what being a Cowboy is all about (or cowgirl ) IMO.
What bothers me is that you insist on comparing Sherry to Ty Murray or anyone else. Not trying to be rude but that truly does bother me. Who are we, you or I, to question what Sherry does....she's #1 in the World, she is a class act all the way around. I can't find anyway to fault her riding, her training or her game plan used to take another World Title. I guess you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one....LOL> |
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Location: Home on the Range | runningk - 2013-12-15 7:14 AM The only round I felt she may have been conservative was the 10th. And after so many downed barrels, I don't blame her. Exactly Running K. Now In My Honest Professional Opinion..... With the exception of Round 10 where she let Stingray step out a little so not to chance catching the barrel. The Only thing that Move could be described as was SMART & showed what a Professional she is that she can put her horse Exactly where she asks her to go instead of creaming barrels like so many of the others did. Sherry ran aggressive every Go Round exactly how she said she was going to! That was obvious! Her combined times on All Go Rounds Set a Record Too so if you do not believe she was going for #1 in the World & the Average, I firmly have to disagree. Sherry & Stingray "True World Champions" in the Barrel Racing Arena, as well as, Life's Arena. 
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | IMO, she rode smart. And how is placing in 10 rounds and setting a new average record "playing it safe"? The only conservative run I saw was the 10th. The others, she was having to work to keep the mare running far enough into the turns to leave them standing. Stingray is a barrel hunting fool--I can't imagine getting 10 clean on that pattern on that kind of horse! (Which is one reason she's Sherry Cervi and I'm not  ) |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | LOL she safety up and never hit a barrel and got checks each round....at the NFR. I hope she makes a how to that video....I'm sure the other girls would be the 1st in line to purchase. I know I would.
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| Hmmmmmm.....being intelligent and having a game plan to win it big oorrrrrrr being cocky and blowing it just to put on a show (and maybe win it big).
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | She has the new record for fastest average! How is this safing up? If you go back and watch that mare is really honed in! Watch Sherry, she is Really riding her to keep her off the barrels! A lesser rider would have hit barrels almost every round! When a horse is that tight you CANT safety up! The
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | I think she earned her title. Throughout the year it takes a lot of strategy. Injuries, boredom etc are real risks in her career. I didn't see her safety up but she did ride smart and it paid off with money, title and a healthy mount. |
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| I don't think she was riding safe at all, I think she was riding smart and to the level that you have to in order to be #1 in the world. I saw as the rounds progressed a Stingray who wanted to hunt hard, come into the barrels hard, and get a little tired overall - I don't blame her. Sherry did the right thing riding a little more conservative and leaving the barrels up.
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Location: Lost with the rest of the MINIONS! | She won a check IN EVERY ROUND!!! How can that be considered safetying up? |
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| I agree she rode hard and smart, a little more cautious on the 10th round but like someone else said, there were so many downed barrels she knew she didn't have to have a smokin run to win money.
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Location: Kansas | why does the way she rides bother you? She's a quiet handed rider, and I for one strive to ride like her. Guess I'm confused on this one? |
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Location: sunny california | another thing that a rough stock rider doesn't have to worry about is setting up bad habits/injuries that could jepordize future wins. The one thing I don't think a winner needs to deal with is a barrel crasher. Personally she might have considered safetying up even more and gave another one of her horses some experience in the T&M but I do like it better that she rode the same horse 10 rounds and pulled checks in all 10. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Just Plain Lucky - 2013-12-15 7:53 AM Hmmmmmm.....being intelligent and having a game plan to win it big oorrrrrrr being cocky and blowing it just to put on a show (and maybe win it big).
OMG WHAT A HARD DECISION!
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Location: GA | I actually thought that Sherry rode smart and tough all go rounds. I never once saw where it looked as if she pulled a safety. The last go round she came in kicking and worked her butt off to keep the pattern clean from there. At least that is what I saw. All of the riders and horses looked tired at that point.
Sherry did say she really wanted the average and she got it, a record at that.
I wanted to add that based on my experience and running for an average, the average verses an arena record can be more elusive.
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 5:52 AM
First of all let me preface my comment by saying congratulations to Sherry and Stingray. She seems like a humble person and good ambassador for the sport of barrel racing. She does a great job.
Now for what bothers me, lol. And this may be a "man" thing or old school, not sure. But it appeared that Sherry was pretty conservative in her riding after about the fourth round, and yes she did win another first place check and placed in every round, I get all that. But I guess I've always liked the approach of the Ty Murrays, Billy Etbauer, Cody Ohl and even Trevor I believe. They go hard for first every time and let the chips fall where they may. I've even heard Ty and Billy talk about they would rather get bucked of than safety up! And it's cost all of these guys some buckles before but they also won alot and you knew they left every ounce out on the dirt.
I understand what Sherry did is smart strategy and all that, and she is wearing another gold buckle tonight. But basically "playing it safe" bugs me lol
Wanted to add I'm not just picking on Sherry, I remember Charymane doing this her last championship and it bugged me then also. Maybe the barrel racers are just smarter than the guys? Lol still bugs me tho.
Flame at your convience......
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Location: Florida.. | WOW! she gave it her all and proved she deserved it ALL YEAR !!..the last round .. is smart.. good grief. some people are so never happy.. I have to say this board this week has been a pretty dsigraceful one. of course It doesnt matter what i think but with all the negative nellys and rude behavior and comments.. it was the NFR where was the support and excitement???. Id be ashamed..
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Location: Claremore, OK | EnterUp - 2013-12-15 8:55 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 5:52 AM
First of all let me preface my comment by saying congratulations to Sherry and Stingray. She seems like a humble person and good ambassador for the sport of barrel racing. She does a great job.
Now for what bothers me, lol. And this may be a "man" thing or old school, not sure. But it appeared that Sherry was pretty conservative in her riding after about the fourth round, and yes she did win another first place check and placed in every round, I get all that. But I guess I've always liked the approach of the Ty Murrays, Billy Etbauer, Cody Ohl and even Trevor I believe. They go hard for first every time and let the chips fall where they may. I've even heard Ty and Billy talk about they would rather get bucked of than safety up! And it's cost all of these guys some buckles before but they also won alot and you knew they left every ounce out on the dirt.
I understand what Sherry did is smart strategy and all that, and she is wearing another gold buckle tonight. But basically "playing it safe" bugs me lol
Wanted to add I'm not just picking on Sherry, I remember Charymane doing this her last championship and it bugged me then also. Maybe the barrel racers are just smarter than the guys? Lol still bugs me tho.
Flame at your convience......
All I can do is shake my head, obviously you paid little attention the last ten days.
Well said, EnterUp.
Yellowhorse1. I don't get on here very often but felt compelled to reply to you. Sherry did anything but be conservative ! The first few rounds the mare was pretty free and, yes, she made it look pretty easy. As the rounds progressed Stingray got more and more ratey and Sherry had to work harder to keep her off of the barrels. That's why you saw her using the outside rein more....not something you would do u less you were absolutely trying to save a run.
The last three rounds the mare was crowding all of the barrels really bad, especially the last round. There's not too many people that could have salvaged the run and left all three standing.
And finally, you can't safety up and set a new NFR record for the fastest average time. "Man thing" or not, THAT PART IS A NO BRAINER !
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How can you compare riding roughstock and running barrels Sherry and Stingray are a really talented team, she did not have to go out there and prove anything. She just show what talent they have and they worked their butt's off for the world title. She won fair and square and I dont see that anybody had a problem with that. 
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Location: Kentucky | She won the world, the average, and the Top Gun award and she was playing it safe? Wow... I guess I need to be "less".
I think it's pathetic to say its a "man thing" because she beat out all of the MEN to win that truck!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Murphy - 2013-12-15 9:30 AM
She won the world, the average, and the Top Gun award and she was playing it safe? Wow... I guess I need to be "less".
I think it's pathetic to say its a "man thing" because she beat out all of the MEN to win that truck!
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Location: ND | lol if playing it safes means winning the world title, winning the average & setting a new average record time doing so, placing in all 10 rounds & winning the top gun award.....I'm going to start safetying up!!!! If she was safetying up there's no way she would have placed in every round. She rode smart, made clean runs & has an incredible horse. She did what any smart competitor would do, she made the right decisions to win! |
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Location: That part of Texas | It doesn't bother me because if she was playing it safe, it was probably the best thing for Stingray or any other horse that's put in this position. Roughstock riders only have themselves to think about when it comes to making it back the next year. Barrel racers are highly dependent on the team aspect of horse and rider. I don't see the glory in trying to make an epic run everytime you go out if it puts your horse's health at risk always going for it when it's not necessary. |
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Location: Midwest | Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-15 10:07 AM I don't imagine she wastes her time reading BHW, but I bet someone tells her about this thread and then they laugh and laugh.
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| Lol I knew this would get the natives fired up! But I will address a few of the statement since they seem to be building off one another.
Sherry deserves the buckle, no argument there. And yes, she did set a new average record, and it's a great accomplishment. BUT as anyone can see times at the NFR continue to fall, and Sherrys fastest time was only the ninth fastest time at the finals this year! Well Sherrys average record be broken? I would bet it falls within the next five years! Was she running to win the average? Yes BUT after the second round I don't believe she was going for first in the rounds. Yes, she picked up another go around win in the 9 , but look at the time, she was lucky there. I stand by my observation, she wasnt pushing it to win first every round and I believe the data shows that! She was playing it safe as she could and still keep clean and fairly fast runs.
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Location: oklahoma | Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-15 10:07 AM I don't imagine she wastes her time reading BHW, but I bet someone tells her about this thread and then they laugh and laugh.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-15 7:48 AM IMO, she rode smart. And how is placing in 10 rounds and setting a new average record "playing it safe"? The only conservative run I saw was the 10th. The others, she was having to work to keep the mare running far enough into the turns to leave them standing. Stingray is a barrel hunting fool--I can't imagine getting 10 clean on that pattern on that kind of horse! (Which is one reason she's Sherry Cervi and I'm not )
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I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
You do realize barrel racing isnt the only timed event? I wonder what would have happened if Cody Ohl had said I'm gonna go out and try to a average 8 seconds a calf? Would he be world champ now? Maybe he might not have broke the barrier on that jacked up calf. Would we have seen any 6,6 and 6.7 times from him this week? No I doubt it. But Cody has more than his fair share of gold and when he laid his head down last night I guarantee he knew he gave it 110 and went for first place every round!
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Location: CA | Barrel racing is her lively hood, that said she rode smart. Sherry makes it look easy, and it appears to me her whole job while she is out there is just to help her horse. Barrel racing is also the only rodeo event that doesn't include stock. That said, your comment about other eventers giving 100% is true, they never know what they will draw up with and what others will draw up with. They have some pretty big unknowns and have to give it all. When you have a chance to use strategy it would be only a fool that wouldn't do it. She rides "soft" and I don't belelive you would be able to tell if she was going easy or not. Horses change after a few rounds, some get faster, some get sore, some get consistant. So no it doesn't bother me at all. A champion is a champion. To have one with grace can do nothing but improve the sport. |
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 10:11 AM
Lol I knew this would get the natives fired up! But I will address a few of the statement since they seem to be building off one another.
Sherry deserves the buckle, no argument there. And yes, she did set a new average record, and it's a great accomplishment. BUT as anyone can see times at the NFR continue to fall, and Sherrys fastest time was only the ninth fastest time at the finals this year! Well Sherrys average record be broken? I would bet it falls within the next five years! Was she running to win the average? Yes BUT after the second round I don't believe she was going for first in the rounds. Yes, she picked up another go around win in the 9 , but look at the time, she was lucky there. I stand by my observation, she wasnt pushing it to win first every round and I believe the data shows that! She was playing it safe as she could and still keep clean and fairly fast runs.
Having said all that. I want to say again for the benifet of late comers, she had a great finals and is to be conrgulated for her contributions to the sport and I think she is a classy person.
I will say it again, you obviously did not pay much attention the last ten days, or you seriously need to get your eyes checked. Since when did driving a horse clear up into the hole, on each barrel, on each run, compute to "playing it". |
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Location: Washington | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 8:26 AM fatchance - 2013-12-15 10:17 AM I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
You do realize barrel racing isnt the only timed event? I wonder what would have happened if Cody Ohl had said I'm gonna go out and try to a average 8 seconds a calf? Would he be world champ now? Maybe he might not have broke the barrier on that jacked up calf. Would we have seen any 6,6 and 6.7 times from him this week? No I doubt it. But Cody has more than his fair share of gold and when he laid his head down last night I guarantee he knew he gave it 110 and went for first place every round! I just like to see that from the world champions. Just my opinion
Did you seen any of them stay in the average, did you see any of them riding in the Top Gun truck for most money won at the NFR. Did you see any of them win more money during Cowboy Christmas than she did.....NO. She is crazy like a fox.
Your entitled to your opinion, I just can't wrap one brain cell around it. |
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| I would much rather see someone ride really smart than go for broke everytime out. Watching the TR drove me bonkers because they kept blowing chances of good day money by going for shots that never worked out, not smart business decisions and at the end of the day it is a business for them. Sherry did a phenominal job riding for their best for that day without risking everything. |
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yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 10:11 AM
Lol I knew this would get the natives fired up! But I will address a few of the statement since they seem to be building off one another.
Sherry deserves the buckle, no argument there. And yes, she did set a new average record, and it's a great accomplishment. BUT as anyone can see times at the NFR continue to fall, and Sherrys fastest time was only the ninth fastest time at the finals this year! Well Sherrys average record be broken? I would bet it falls within the next five years! Was she running to win the average? Yes BUT after the second round I don't believe she was going for first in the rounds. Yes, she picked up another go around win in the 9 , but look at the time, she was lucky there. I stand by my observation, she wasnt pushing it to win first every round and I believe the data shows that! She was playing it safe as she could and still keep clean and fairly fast runs.
Having said all that. I want to say again for the benifet of late comers, she had a great finals and is to be conrgulated for her contributions to the sport and I think she is a classy person.
I will say it again, you obviously did not pay much attention the last ten days, or you seriously need to get your eyes checked. Since when did driving a horse clear up into the hole, on each barrel, on each run, compute to "playing it".
Lol your funny. Did you just blow right by the data and things I said? Was sherry trying to win the average and go around money? Yes I believe she was. After the 3 or 4 round was she trying to win go rounds? No I don't think so. Like I said the fastest time she ran was the second round and it was only the 9th fastest time at the finals this year! Did her strategy work? Yes obviously! Sherry was not trying to win 1st every go around in my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone dispute that yet! Including you.
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yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 8:26 AM fatchance - 2013-12-15 10:17 AM I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
You do realize barrel racing isnt the only timed event? I wonder what would have happened if Cody Ohl had said I'm gonna go out and try to a average 8 seconds a calf? Would he be world champ now? Maybe he might not have broke the barrier on that jacked up calf. Would we have seen any 6,6 and 6.7 times from him this week? No I doubt it. But Cody has more than his fair share of gold and when he laid his head down last night I guarantee he knew he gave it 110 and went for first place every round! I just like to see that from the world champions. Just my opinion
Your entitled to your opinion, I just can't wrap one brain cell around it.
Yes, but as a example who has more gold her vs Ty, Cody, Billy, Trevor? Those guys do or did go for 1st place every time they are in the arena! Not saying her way is right or wrong just sayin I personally like their way better! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | You're operating under the assumption that she could have been faster if she had tried harder. I don't see it. Barrel races are not won by riders trying to win. They are won by getting the best out of your horse at each barrel and letting the fast happen. This was the toughest finals as far as go-rounds I think Ive ever seen and I've been watching over 20 years. |
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 11:00 AM
EnterUp - 2013-12-15 10:52 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 10:11 AM
Lol I knew this would get the natives fired up! But I will address a few of the statement since they seem to be building off one another.
Sherry deserves the buckle, no argument there. And yes, she did set a new average record, and it's a great accomplishment. BUT as anyone can see times at the NFR continue to fall, and Sherrys fastest time was only the ninth fastest time at the finals this year! Well Sherrys average record be broken? I would bet it falls within the next five years! Was she running to win the average? Yes BUT after the second round I don't believe she was going for first in the rounds. Yes, she picked up another go around win in the 9 , but look at the time, she was lucky there. I stand by my observation, she wasnt pushing it to win first every round and I believe the data shows that! She was playing it safe as she could and still keep clean and fairly fast runs.
Having said all that. I want to say again for the benifet of late comers, she had a great finals and is to be conrgulated for her contributions to the sport and I think she is a classy person.
I will say it again, you obviously did not pay much attention the last ten days, or you seriously need to get your eyes checked. Since when did driving a horse clear up into the hole, on each barrel, on each run, compute to "playing it".
Lol your funny. Did you just blow right by the data and things I said? Was sherry trying to win the average and go around money? Yes I believe she was. After the 3 or 4 round was she trying to win go rounds? No I don't think so. Like I said the fastest time she ran was the second round and it was only the 9th fastest time at the finals this year! Did her strategy work? Yes obviously! Sherry was not trying to win 1st every go around in my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone dispute that yet! Including you.
And I will stand by what I said, you did not pay much attention th last ten days. Sherry pushed (ie kicked) Stingray up into each barrel, each run. And as far as her average time standing, yeah I think it will stand for quite awhile. First you have to make ten clean runs, which is no small feat in that set up. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
No sh!t SKM. You just don't do that riding conservatively with that level of competition. It's about being fast and consistent just like 1 rodeo doesn't determine a world chamption but it's a years worth of rodeos. She may not have run the fastest time of the week, but she drew a check every night.
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 rounds
Was just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page:
They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
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Location: Around here somewhere... | runs4fun - 2013-12-15 5:24 AM I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men?
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SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol |
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Location: South Dakota | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:26 AM fatchance - 2013-12-15 10:17 AM I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
^^ Completely agree
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 11:21 AM
teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM
SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Let me ask, just what did you want Sherry to do? She pushed/kicked Stingray into each barrel, each run. Just what in all of your great knowledge would you have had her change? She obviously couldn't have been playin it to **** safe, she placed in every round, won more money then anyone else, including Trevor who was competing in two events. So just where did she play it safe? Just what didn't she do to satisfy you? Let me point this out to you, if Sherry hadn't been husseling Stingray into each barrel, she would have been knocking them out of the pen. Now you tell me just where Sherry played it safe? |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-15 11:55 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 11:21 AM
teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM
SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Let me ask, just what did you want Sherry to do? She pushed/kicked Stingray into each barrel, each run. Just what in all of your great knowledge would you have had her change? She obviously couldn't have been playin it to **** safe, she placed in every round, won more money then anyone else, including Trevor who was competing in two events. So just where did she play it safe? Just what didn't she do to satisfy you? Let me point this out to you, if Sherry hadn't been husseling Stingray into each barrel, she would have been knocking them out of the pen. Now you tell me just where Sherry played it safe?
I've already told you. And it's not really a issue of playing it safe! A better description would be not trying a 110 percent to win 1st every time she ran in there. I understand why she did it, and it payed off. Like I stated earlier, just not my cup of tea...... |
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| What would she have done differently in each run to show she was in your opinion giving 110%?
I honestly thought she looked like she was going for first everytime. |
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Location: Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 12:02 PM
EnterUp - 2013-12-15 11:55 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 11:21 AM
teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM
SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Let me ask, just what did you want Sherry to do? She pushed/kicked Stingray into each barrel, each run. Just what in all of your great knowledge would you have had her change? She obviously couldn't have been playin it to **** safe, she placed in every round, won more money then anyone else, including Trevor who was competing in two events. So just where did she play it safe? Just what didn't she do to satisfy you? Let me point this out to you, if Sherry hadn't been husseling Stingray into each barrel, she would have been knocking them out of the pen. Now you tell me just where Sherry played it safe?
I've already told you. And it's not really a issue of playing it safe! A better description would be not trying a 110 percent to win 1st every time she ran in there. I understand why she did it, and it payed off. Like I stated earlier, just not my cup of tea......
And just how does pushing/kicking your horse into each barrel, each run not equate to giving it 110%? Sherry got 110% out of Stingray what Stingray had to offer that night. And you didn't answer the question, with all of your knowledge, just what would have you liked to have seen Sherry do different? |
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| EnterUp - 2013-12-15 12:15 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 12:02 PM
EnterUp - 2013-12-15 11:55 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 11:21 AM
teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM
SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Let me ask, just what did you want Sherry to do? She pushed/kicked Stingray into each barrel, each run. Just what in all of your great knowledge would you have had her change? She obviously couldn't have been playin it to **** safe, she placed in every round, won more money then anyone else, including Trevor who was competing in two events. So just where did she play it safe? Just what didn't she do to satisfy you? Let me point this out to you, if Sherry hadn't been husseling Stingray into each barrel, she would have been knocking them out of the pen. Now you tell me just where Sherry played it safe?
I've already told you. And it's not really a issue of playing it safe! A better description would be not trying a 110 percent to win 1st every time she ran in there. I understand why she did it, and it payed off. Like I stated earlier, just not my cup of tea......
And just how does pushing/kicking your horse into each barrel, each run not equate to giving it 110%? Sherry got 110% out of Stingray what Stingray had to offer that night. And you didn't answer the question, with all of your knowledge, just what would have you liked to have seen Sherry do different?
So you really believe Sherry was going all out EVERY night? Lol you realize you are in the minority? Although most on here disagree with my take on going for broke every round no matter what. Hardly anyone disputes that it appears her plan was to win or place high in the average and that her main priority wasn't to win 1st place go around checks after the third round or so. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:21 AM teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Well, I'll tell you what....when you get to the NFR and win a couple of titles you can show us all how to do it the right way
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | teehaha - 2013-12-15 12:22 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:21 AM teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
I am going out on a limb here... that chic won over what??? 230K this year? doubt she was conservative anywhere...LOL WELL PLAYED SHERRY CERVI, YOUR MY HERO!
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Location: Texas | The only round that I saw Sherry even come close to playing it safe was the tenth round, and that is when she pushed her one more stride into second. You or anyone else for that matter, go back and watch all of her runs, then come back and tell me that Sherry wasn't "going for it". Like I said, not real sure what you think she should have done, she pushed/kicked her into each barrel, each run, what else would you have liked her to do? And I will say it again Sherry got 110% out of Stingray what Stingray had to give her each run! |
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| teehaha - 2013-12-15 12:22 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:21 AM teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 roundsWas just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page: They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Haha o your witty! Really?? That's it? Go back to bed and try again tommorow! Lol |
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Location: Chuckle Nutt-ville!!! | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 12:31 PM teehaha - 2013-12-15 12:22 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:21 AM teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 rounds
Was just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page:
They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol Haha o your witty! Really?? That's it? Go back to bed and try again tommorow! Lol
Who needs to be witty when they speak the truth.
Sherry Cervi is a class act. One of the handiest women I've ever seen on the back of a horse. Period.
I wish someone would follow all the people here to work every day and report back on if they thought said person was giving all they had to give at their job or not, and of course critique on how they could have done it better.
Sherry & Stingray ran their hearts out every night. They were amazing to watch.
People should be ashamed of themselves for thinking they have any right in the world to criticize any one of these 15 women for their riding the past two weeks. |
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Location: Moved to Montana | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 10:21 AM teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 rounds
Was just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page:
They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol
Whatever.. Haters gonna hate, all the guys you mentioned would have rolled their eyes at this. |
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Location: Oklahoma | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 11:00 AM EnterUp - 2013-12-15 10:52 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 10:11 AM Lol I knew this would get the natives fired up! But I will address a few of the statement since they seem to be building off one another. Sherry deserves the buckle, no argument there. And yes, she did set a new average record, and it's a great accomplishment. BUT as anyone can see times at the NFR continue to fall, and Sherrys fastest time was only the ninth fastest time at the finals this year! Well Sherrys average record be broken? I would bet it falls within the next five years! Was she running to win the average? Yes BUT after the second round I don't believe she was going for first in the rounds. Yes, she picked up another go around win in the 9 , but look at the time, she was lucky there. I stand by my observation, she wasnt pushing it to win first every round and I believe the data shows that! She was playing it safe as she could and still keep clean and fairly fast runs. Having said all that. I want to say again for the benifet of late comers, she had a great finals and is to be conrgulated for her contributions to the sport and I think she is a classy person. I will say it again, you obviously did not pay much attention the last ten days, or you seriously need to get your eyes checked. Since when did driving a horse clear up into the hole, on each barrel, on each run, compute to "playing it". Lol your funny. Did you just blow right by the data and things I said? Was sherry trying to win the average and go around money? Yes I believe she was. After the 3 or 4 round was she trying to win go rounds? No I don't think so. Like I said the fastest time she ran was the second round and it was only the 9th fastest time at the finals this year! Did her strategy work? Yes obviously! Sherry was not trying to win 1st every go around in my opinion, and I haven't seen anyone dispute that yet! Including you.
With every post you are losing credibility. Your original argument was that she started playing it safe around the 4th round. You have switched that to saying she started being safe after the 2nd and 5th . . . exactly which round is it? Additionally, your original argument stated nothing about whether she was going for first in every round, only that she was riding conservative and not competing like the "men" do. I'm pretty sure the data you are referring to supports what others are saying and doesn't back up your argument at all. |
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| runningk - 2013-12-15 6:14 AM
The only round I felt she may have been conservative was the 10th. And after so many downed barrels, I don't blame her.
Agreed! I thought she rode for a win many nights, scaring me a couple of times when she rubbed a barrel. But I don't really blame her for riding a little safe the last night, all she needed was to keep the barrels up to win a nice big average check. |
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| T turning 3 - 2013-12-15 1:55 PM
Never try to teach a pig to sing, all it does is upset you and frustrate the pig......
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Location: CA | sodapop - 2013-12-15 1:57 PM T turning 3 - 2013-12-15 1:55 PM Never try to teach a pig to sing, all it does is upset you and frustrate the pig...... If you lead it to water, can you make it drink?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing, all it does is upset you and frustrate the pig......
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 1:31 PM teehaha - 2013-12-15 12:22 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:21 AM teehaha - 2013-12-15 11:11 AM SKM - 2013-12-15 7:59 AM She won checks in all 10 rounds. How is that being "conservative"?
In that last round I probably would have ridden out into the parking lot as to not tip and protect that average money and the new truck
Who was the last girl to place in all 10 rounds
Was just over on FB and saw this on Sarah's page:
They need to comment that the last horse to place in all 10 rounds was a full brother to Stingray's sire. That's cool.
See that is exactly my point! Can you imagine Cody doing that or Billy Etbauer? H$:: no! That goes against there whole mentality. I've heard billy say many times he would rather hit the dirt than play it safe and not try for first every time out! And I think you could say he was a fairly successful NFR contestant! Lol Haha o your witty! Really?? That's it? Go back to bed and try again tommorow! Lol
I think you're the one who needs to go back to bed and try again tomorrow. 
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | In my opinion Sherry didn't place it safe. Rule book says a competitor must do their very best in all events. Stingray was TIRED . she was fading in the fourth round and Sherry was getting after her to keep the momentum up to place in the others. Stingray is some good horse flesh but she wasn't big enough against the horse flesh she was running against. If Taylor was on the ball she would have walked away with first in every round but she is young and makes mistakes. The others had some top notch serious running bred horses and could have blown the doors off the thomas and mack. Very few of them helped their horses and went right over the top of those barrels, cutting pockets, not rating and most not even looking where they are going. If stingray had a days break she would have matched the arena record. |
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| cow pie - 2013-12-15 2:18 PM
In my opinion Sherry didn't place it safe. Rule book says a competitor must do their very best in all events. Stingray was TIRED . she was fading in the fourth round and Sherry was getting after her to keep the momentum up to place in the others. Stingray is some good horse flesh but she wasn't big enough against the horse flesh she was running against. If Taylor was on the ball she would have walked away with first in every round but she is young and makes mistakes. The others had some top notch serious running bred horses and could have blown the doors off the thomas and mack. Very few of them helped their horses and went right over the top of those barrels, cutting pockets, not rating and most not even looking where they are going. If stingray had a days break she would have matched the arena record.
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| sodapop - 2013-12-15 2:57 PM T turning 3 - 2013-12-15 1:55 PM Never try to teach a pig to sing, all it does is upset you and frustrate the pig...... If you lead it to water, can you make it drink?
May I add: Arguing with some people is like trying mud wrestle a pig. After a while you realize they enjoy it and you just need to stop. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | I would like to officially nominate this thread and the OPs premise for the worst of BHW 2013 grand prize.
Sherry just broke the NFR average record in the barrel racing, NFR earnings record of all events and you think she needed a different strategy? Good grief the arrogance!!! It burns, it stings!!! BTW since you seem confused that means she was the fastest anyone has ever run over the 10 rounds. Ever. The fastest. Ever
I have a ton of respect for Sherry as a person and as a barrel racer, so this really rubs me the wrong way. Sorry I read it. |
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Location: Texas | barrel_racing_angel - 2013-12-15 5:05 PM
I would like to officially nominate this thread and the OPs premise for the worst of BHW 2013 grand prize.
Sherry just broke the NFR average record in the barrel racing, NFR earnings record of all events and you think she needed a different strategy? Good grief the arrogance!!! It burns, it stings!!! BTW since you seem confused that means she was the fastest anyone has ever run over the 10 rounds. Ever. The fastest. Ever
I have a ton of respect for Sherry as a person and as a barrel racer, so this really rubs me the wrong way. Sorry I read it.
I couldn't agree with you more. What Sherry did the last ten days was amazing, just as she is. You don't place in a round at the NFR by "playing safe", much less all ten and setting a new average record. All Sherry should get from each and everyone one of us is admiration for what she accomplished. And I will guarantee you she didn't get it done by playing safe. Dang that grates on my last nerve. |
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| DD2012 - 2013-12-15 2:22 PM cow pie - 2013-12-15 2:18 PM In my opinion Sherry didn't place it safe. Rule book says a competitor must do their very best in all events. Stingray was TIRED . she was fading in the fourth round and Sherry was getting after her to keep the momentum up to place in the others. Stingray is some good horse flesh but she wasn't big enough against the horse flesh she was running against. If Taylor was on the ball she would have walked away with first in every round but she is young and makes mistakes. The others had some top notch serious running bred horses and could have blown the doors off the thomas and mack. Very few of them helped their horses and went right over the top of those barrels, cutting pockets, not rating and most not even looking where they are going. If stingray had a days break she would have matched the arena record. couch whip
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Location: Off to a barrel race... | I think 10 runs in a row is a lot on a horse, even one in as good of shape as Stingray. I don't think she made a bad call at all. She knew her horse was working hard why puch her for everything she has when she is already on top? It seems to me she is already living her dream. |
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| barrel_racing_angel - 2013-12-15 5:05 PM I would like to officially nominate this thread and the OPs premise for the worst of BHW 2013 grand prize. Sherry just broke the NFR average record in the barrel racing, NFR earnings record of all events and you think she needed a different strategy? Good grief the arrogance!!! It burns, it stings!!! BTW since you seem confused that means she was the fastest anyone has ever run over the 10 rounds. Ever. The fastest. Ever I have a ton of respect for Sherry as a person and as a barrel racer, so this really rubs me the wrong way. Sorry I read it.
Sherry was outstanding and won with enormous amount of brains, humility and class. She put on a 10 day clinic in horsemanship, etiquette, and strategy!
What I disliked was the young en' that was jerking her horses mouth off after her run in the 10th round.
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| barrel_racing_angel - 2013-12-15 5:05 PM
I would like to officially nominate this thread and the OPs premise for the worst of BHW 2013 grand prize.
Sherry just broke the NFR average record in the barrel racing, NFR earnings record of all events and you think she needed a different strategy? Good grief the arrogance!!! It burns, it stings!!! BTW since you seem confused that means she was the fastest anyone has ever run over the 10 rounds. Ever. The fastest. Ever
I have a ton of respect for Sherry as a person and as a barrel racer, so this really rubs me the wrong way. Sorry I read it.
Who said they didn't have a ton of respect for sherry? Or that she needed a different strategy? |
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Location: SE Missouri | TyE - 2013-12-15 8:10 PM barrel_racing_angel - 2013-12-15 5:05 PM I would like to officially nominate this thread and the OPs premise for the worst of BHW 2013 grand prize. Sherry just broke the NFR average record in the barrel racing, NFR earnings record of all events and you think she needed a different strategy? Good grief the arrogance!!! It burns, it stings!!! BTW since you seem confused that means she was the fastest anyone has ever run over the 10 rounds. Ever. The fastest. Ever I have a ton of respect for Sherry as a person and as a barrel racer, so this really rubs me the wrong way. Sorry I read it. Sherry was outstanding and won with enormous amount of brains, humility and class. She put on a 10 day clinic in horsemanship, etiquette, and strategy!
What I disliked was the young en' that was jerking her horses mouth off after her run in the 10th round.
Sherry = Awesome! Taylor = Awesome!
Anyone making the NFR Awesome.. People making dumb comments about any of the qualifiers riding well bless their little black hearts. I'm sure they could should them up, UGH! Those comments are annoying and shows their maturity.
Outfit comments on the other hand WHO CARES, good for them they made it. Let them have fun. |
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Location: SE Missouri | T turning 3 - 2013-12-15 5:47 PM
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Location: I am not FROM California I just live here! | I have not read the whole thread but NO I don't think she was conservative at all she was forward and pushing that mare each and every night to me she was riding....in that pen I think when you let up that is when you hit barrels.....on stingray I think if she let up she would have had downed barrels so no to me no she did not let up she rode every round JMO
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 5:52 AM
First of all let me preface my comment by saying congratulations to Sherry and Stingray. She seems like a humble person and good ambassador for the sport of barrel racing. She does a great job.
Now for what bothers me, lol. And this may be a "man" thing or old school, not sure. But it appeared that Sherry was pretty conservative in her riding after about the fourth round, and yes she did win another first place check and placed in every round, I get all that. But I guess I've always liked the approach of the Ty Murrays, Billy Etbauer, Cody Ohl and even Trevor I believe. They go hard for first every time and let the chips fall where they may. I've even heard Ty and Billy talk about they would rather get bucked of than safety up! And it's cost all of these guys some buckles before but they also won alot and you knew they left every ounce out on the dirt.
I understand what Sherry did is smart strategy and all that, and she is wearing another gold buckle tonight. But basically "playing it safe" bugs me lol
Wanted to add I'm not just picking on Sherry, I remember Charymane doing this her last championship and it bugged me then also. Maybe the barrel racers are just smarter than the guys? Lol still bugs me tho.
Flame at your convience......
What bothers me is when people who cant come close to competing at the level of 2013 World Champion taking pot shots at her. Now that bothers me. |
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Location: Bastrop, TX | I didn't read but some of the first 2 pages so forgive me if someone has already mentioned this. Does anyone remember the year, I'm thinking either last year or the year before where Sheri had 9 straight clean runs and in the 10th round she and Stingray knocked the 3rd barrel. I almost wanted to cry. I don't believe she wanted a repeat of that, it cost her alot then. I think she is the most constistent, professional out there and don't believe she safetied up so much as played it smart to keep them up. I think 10 clean runs was her goal and she acheived that and soooo much more. She's the best in my opinion.....in and out of the arena. |
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Location: Phoenix | runningk - 2013-12-15 4:14 AM The only round I felt she may have been conservative was the 10th. And after so many downed barrels, I don't blame her.
Ditto. But she still clocked. She was RIDING SMART!!!! |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | keller235 - 2013-12-15 11:33 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 9:26 AM fatchance - 2013-12-15 10:17 AM I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
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Location: Kansas | You can't compare calf roping or saddle bronc riding to barrel racing. And you can't compare Sherry this year to Billy Etbauer in the 90s. If I had as big a lead as she did after the first couple rounds, you better believe I would be trying to keep the barrels up first & foremost and if I happened to place in another round, great. If not, hold your spot in the average and pick up the big check at the end. Plus I wouldn't think on that caliber of horse that you COULD safety up. I know on my rodeo horse if I tried to safety up and just be clean, we'd probably hit two barrels but if I go in and try to win the race every time, we can be clean probably 9 times out of 10. and heck even 9 out of 10 clean runs gets you a very healthy average check at the NFR. |
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Location: Texas | Since yellowhorse is a man, I'm going to share a little secret with you....
Your question actually addresses the fundamental difference between men and women as competitors. Women think, strategize, and have a game plan. Men rely on their brute strength and speed to get the job done.
Just because a woman doesn't feel the need to win in a "look at me" fashion, doesn't inhibit her ability to get the job done.
This mindset is a key reason that women's professional sports aren't as exciting to watch. Watching women is like watching a chess game. It's a game of skill and brains. Watching men is like boxing. Although it can be exciting, it's more about their brute strength and reflex, with no thinking involved. |
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| aggiejudger - 2013-12-16 8:22 AM
Since yellowhorse is a man, I'm going to share a little secret with you....
Your question actually addresses the fundamental difference between men and women as competitors. Women think, strategize, and have a game plan. Men rely on their brute strength and speed to get the job done.
Just because a woman doesn't feel the need to win in a "look at me" fashion, doesn't inhibit her ability to get the job done.
This mindset is a key reason that women's professional sports aren't as exciting to watch. Watching women is like watching a chess game. It's a game of skill and brains. Watching men is like boxing. Although it can be exciting, it's more about their brute strength and reflex, with no thinking involved.
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Location: North Dakota | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:34 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men? Lol maybe it is a "man" thing?
So why is it okay for an NFL team who is winning, on 1st down, with 50 seconds on the clock, to let the play clock run down and take a knee. Then let the play clock run some more, and take a knee.
Since we're seeming to generalize "men", because of the NFL and other "man" sporting events like that, it makes absolute perfect sense what Sherry is doing. She's playing smart so she doesn't cause a turnover and let the other team make a touchdown.
I have no problem with what she's doing. There's nothing wrong with strategy.
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Location: Arkansas | I haven't read every response so this may or may not have been said already. But,
Ty and Billy were in JUDGED events, and on a different caliber animal every night. Cody has to draw a calf and obviously you never know what you are going to get. Sherry has three barrels in the same place with a timer in the same place on the same horse every night for 10 rounds. It is an entire different mental game. The variables are different thus so are the game plans. |
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| r_beau - 2013-12-16 8:48 AM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:34 AM runs4fun - 2013-12-15 6:24 AM I think she did exactly what she should of done. I think she did the smart thing. Why risk losing the World Championship and all that average money because of how others "think" you should ride? She has won another World Championship and from a records-book standpoint and from a business standpoint she did what, in the long-run, was the best thing. To go in and ride with hair-on-fire risking the big picture to win a go-round wouldn't make a lot of sense....she didn't need to do that....cool, calm and collected worked out much better. JMO
Edited to add: she did go for "first" place, #1 in the World, it don't get much more FIRST PLACE than that! And I thought everyone of her runs was exciting, just the anticipation of if she was going to be able to leave them all standing when so many were hitting barrels was very exciting and she showed that she's a smart/savvy woman...why would she try to be like the men? Lol maybe it is a "man" thing?
Since we're seeming to generalize "men", because of the NFL and other "man" sporting events like that, it makes absolute perfect sense what Sherry is doing. She's playing smart so she doesn't cause a turnover and let the other team make a touchdown.
I have no problem with what she's doing. There's nothing wrong with strategy.
If you go back thru the thread you will see that part of the reason for bringing this up had to do with the "cowboy" attitude. And how other stars of rodeo have approached competeing at the finals.
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| First of all, all I have read is the original post. The original post is all I am replying to. In the post, the word "conservative" was used to describe Sheri's runs following the first two winning rounds. The meaning of conservative is moderate, cautious, and not extreme. So let me ask, how many of her runs were 13 second runs? Her last run was a 14 second run, a very fast 14. If you watch that run you will see she pushed harder from further back, and pushed hard the entire run to keep from hitting barrels. Therefore, her time was slower because she pushed harder. Pushing harder does not define conservative. I cannot imagine using moderate, cautious, or not extreme to describe any of her ten runs. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Riding balls to the wall whipping and slashing is not the always the best way and is certainly not the only way to be an aggressive jockey. Sometimes you have to slow down the mind and the body and convey that steadiness to your horse to get that smooth and consistent forward motion that brings you to the pay window. Sherri is a master of the technique IMHO. |
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Location: CA | T turning 3 - 2013-12-15 10:36 AM Barrel racing is her lively hood, that said she rode smart. Sherry makes it look easy, and it appears to me her whole job while she is out there is just to help her horse. Barrel racing is also the only rodeo event that doesn't include stock. That said, your comment about other eventers giving 100% is true, they never know what they will draw up with and what others will draw up with. They have some pretty big unknowns and have to give it all. When you have a chance to use strategy it would be only a fool that wouldn't do it. She rides "soft" and I don't belelive you would be able to tell if she was going easy or not. Horses change after a few rounds, some get faster, some get sore, some get consistant. So no it doesn't bother me at all. A champion is a champion. To have one with grace can do nothing but improve the sport.
Yes I am quoting myself... lol There is no stock involved in barrel racing except your horse. Playing the odds in this event is much different than in the other events.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeowithjoker - 2013-12-15 10:41 PM You can't compare calf roping or saddle bronc riding to barrel racing. And you can't compare Sherry this year to Billy Etbauer in the 90s. If I had as big a lead as she did after the first couple rounds, you better believe I would be trying to keep the barrels up first & foremost and if I happened to place in another round, great. If not, hold your spot in the average and pick up the big check at the end. Plus I wouldn't think on that caliber of horse that you COULD safety up. I know on my rodeo horse if I tried to safety up and just be clean, we'd probably hit two barrels but if I go in and try to win the race every time, we can be clean probably 9 times out of 10. and heck even 9 out of 10 clean runs gets you a very healthy average check at the NFR.
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| First, I don't think Sherry rode safe, she rode to win a check in every round.
Second, I think it is a much tougher position mentally to come in the #1 spot and not lose that position. It is easeir to have nothing to lose and go for it.
Third, in reference to it being a "man thing" did you listen to how many times Joe Beaver talked about making a "business run" in the tie down and team roping? He said over and over again that "it was too early in the rounds to make that kind of throw, "they just need to be smart and catch", etc.
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Location: SE Louisiana | I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. |
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Location: SW MO | I think she played it very smart, if she had it won why take a chance on injuring your horse for reason. Running 10 days straight takes it toll on a horse, even with out pushing it |
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| Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
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Location: Oregon | rodeomom3 - 2013-12-16 9:37 AM First, I don't think Sherry rode safe, she rode to win a check in every round.
Second, I think it is a much tougher position mentally to come in the #1 spot and not lose that position. It is easeir to have nothing to lose and go for it.
Third, in reference to it being a "man thing" did you listen to how many times Joe Beaver talked about making a "business run" in the tie down and team roping? He said over and over again that "it was too early in the rounds to make that kind of throw, "they just need to be smart and catch", etc.
Maybe he meant "stupid man thing".
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| I only read the first page so if this has been said I'm sorrythe only round I thought she was a little bit off was the 10th. I know she is a pro.....However she was emotional and greatly moved by her win. Maybe she played it a little safer from being nervous, emotional, and as proud as she is of stingray wanted to maintain the average for the 10 rds record. She is my favorite!!!! I find it so cool how much credit and appreciation she gives for her horse. Could you imagine the disappointment if she had hit a barrel????? |
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Location: Midwest | see even in round 10 she came in fast and blew that first barrel... after that, she knew she wasn't going to win the round. She rode smart and kept them up.
Because she came in so fast, i don't think she tried to safety up. I just think she rode the rest of her pattern smart when the first barrel got wide. |
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Location: In the real world | When an athlete is really good, the perception is that it looked easy. Sherry's times show that she was working it. You don't get those good times by not trying, and trying hard. Some people think whooping and kicking is trying hard. Sometimes the hardest thing is to keep with the game plan is ride well and centered. You do your job and the horse does theirs. That's why it's called a team.
I remember when I "tried hard" Whooping and kicking and my times got slower. Then, I saw that wife carrying contest that happens every year. Who do you think would go faster? The husband with the wife jumping up and down on his back? Or, the husband who's wife is working with him, staying balanced and letting him keep moving forward. I stopped the yeehaw antics after I saw that, and my times got faster again. Lesson learned. |
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Location: southeast Texas | I wonder what it would be like, if one year, the rough stock riders, drew ONE animal and had to compete each and every night on that ONE horse/bull. How spectacular would there riding be then?
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| Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM
Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it.
Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. |
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| I'm sorry OP were you in her head making the decisions for her as she went mach 10 around the arena? How can you say she played it safe if you weren't in her saddle making her decisions. As the week goes on the horses get hotter and higher as evidenced by the downed barrels and the little display of frustration we saw by Miss Rookie of the Year in the back alley. Sherry rode her horse better than anyone else. Period. If she played it a little safe to keep the barrels up, I call that smart and don't blame her a bit. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:16 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 6:10 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out... Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history! Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won. It's not that I really see it as giving the other competitors a chance. It's more of a deal of "not going for 1st everytime" type of thing, it just seems "wrong" to me. I guess is the nice word to use. Again, no disrespect to Sherry, would of soon saw her win it as anybody. Although I was really impressed by Taylor and her horse, Bo.
She was running for the Ultimate First...World Champion.
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Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it.
Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat.
Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 5:56 PM
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Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM
I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth"..
I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night!
I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it.
Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat.
Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
And yet.... she still won... Like I said... Smooth!!
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Location: North Dakota | Komet - 2013-12-16 5:59 PM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 5:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week. And yet.... she still won... Like I said... Smooth!!
And still placed in every round and won the most money of the NFR. Strange! |
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Location: North Dakota | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 5:52 AM First of all let me preface my comment by saying congratulations to Sherry and Stingray. She seems like a humble person and good ambassador for the sport of barrel racing. She does a great job. Now for what bothers me, lol. And this may be a "man" thing or old school, not sure. But it appeared that Sherry was pretty conservative in her riding after about the fourth round, and yes she did win another first place check and placed in every round, I get all that. But I guess I've always liked the approach of the Ty Murrays, Billy Etbauer, Cody Ohl and even Trevor I believe. They go hard for first every time and let the chips fall where they may. I've even heard Ty and Billy talk about they would rather get bucked of than safety up! And it's cost all of these guys some buckles before but they also won alot and you knew they left every ounce out on the dirt. I understand what Sherry did is smart strategy and all that, and she is wearing another gold buckle tonight. But basically "playing it safe" bugs me lol Wanted to add I'm not just picking on Sherry, I remember Charymane doing this her last championship and it bugged me then also. Maybe the barrel racers are just smarter than the guys? Lol still bugs me tho. Flame at your convience......
It isn't "playing it safe" it is being a business woman and knowing what you have to do to finalize the deal which you have been working a whole year on. Working hard to keep barrels up is not playing it safe. It is being a good rider and knowing your job and the point of the sport! Who goes in the arena to hit barrels? We all go in there hoping to make a clean run. We all work hard to keep barrels up Sherry is just really good at it! lol
I just don't understand how running 10 rounds in the fastest time in NFR history, making the most money of all other competitors, and winning the average and world championships is being safe? |
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Location: Florida/Okla/Texas | I think you hit it on the head....."barrel racers are smarter than guys"..... Sherry is one of the best horsewoman in the group.....no wasted motion, her cues are very suttle and she's smooth. She knows how to ride the conditions of an arena and she proved it placing in 10 rounds..... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 5:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
Which proves that consistent and smooth gets you the most money in the end and a World Championship. |
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 4:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
Because if that's what your saying, your logic is totally flawed. I would also have to question if you really understand how and average works? Because she won more money than ALL contestants at the NFR, so how is that not trying hard enough? Guess ALL the contestants at the NFR suck and didn't try hard enough if you think she didn't.
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| yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 10:26 AM
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I am beginning to understand how few here on BHW understand the thinking game that is involved in barrel racing.
You do realize barrel racing isnt the only timed event? I wonder what would have happened if Cody Ohl had said I'm gonna go out and try to a average 8 seconds a calf? Would he be world champ now? Maybe he might not have broke the barrier on that jacked up calf. Would we have seen any 6,6 and 6.7 times from him this week? No I doubt it. But Cody has more than his fair share of gold and when he laid his head down last night I guarantee he knew he gave it 110 and went for first place every round!
I just like to see that from the world champions. Just my opinion
So you never heard Joe Beaver saying how the guys (team roping, calf roping, or steer wrestling) needs to go out there and make a smart run???? Usually when they did bomb at them and it didn't work he was saying that they should have paid more attention to what was winning. Why do some people not watch the rest of the NFR and or listen to the rest of the NFR, yet feel the need to say comments like these. |
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Location: Exactly where I am supposed to be | SKM - 2013-12-16 6:24 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-16 4:56 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 1:12 PM MO gal - 2013-12-16 1:09 PM Komet - 2013-12-16 11:52 AM I think YH is confusing 'safe' with 'smooth'.... or in Her case.."Shmooth".. I agree, Komet. I think the confusion is that Sherry is such a smooth, quiet rider that it is looking like she is not pushing her horse as hard as the others. She stays in the saddle. Also, Stingray seems to have an amazing handle on her that Sherry can place her with just a little pull of the reins or shift of her weight. I think what we really saw was an amazing feat of horsemanship in successfully navigating a barrel hunting son of a gun through that pattern 10 straight nights, while still drawing a check every night! I'm an accountant so I set up a spreadsheet with all the winnings, times, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have it with me right at the moment. However, Sherry could have been beat throughout most of the NFR. She did not have a lock on this when the NFR started, and quite a ways into it. And, you know, if she is good enough to be conservative and "safety up", while still winning the average and placing all 10 rounds, then she still deserves it. Well... Bo won 4 rounds flat-out and if you take away the down barrels he had the best times in 3 others.. So yes.. She could have been beat. Yes, and as I stated earlier her fastest time of the week was barely in the top ten fastest times of the week.
Because if that's what your saying, your logic is totally flawed. I would also have to question if you really understand how and average works? Because she won more money than ALL contestants at the NFR, so how is that not trying hard enough? Guess ALL the contestants at the NFR suck and didn't try hard enough if you think she didn't.
People could break every record ever broke, and folks would still find something to complain about ....TJ praised to the heaves, two second clip shows up suddenly she is a huuuuuuuuge monster, Sherri cervi wins everything AND I DO MEAN EVERYTHING and somebody finds something wrong with it how you ask ? because some people are never satisfied, do you seriously think she didn't try her complete hardest every night ? and that she didn't give it her all ? would you rather have seen her whipping the crap out of her horse spuring leaning hitting all the barrels would that have made you say she tried ? why cant it be that she is just an amazing rider that is ridiculously fast and smooth that gave it her all and won the world and then LEAVE IT |
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| Also to the OP please go set up the NFR pattern and run it. Let us all know what you clock. Then let us know if you "safety up" and run a 14 |
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| Keeping the barrels up is part of barrel racing. Doesn't matter how fast you are if barrels are down. She knows what she's doing and she earned her spot there to do as she pleases. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2013-12-16 3:40 PM
yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:16 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 6:10 AM yellowhorse1 - 2013-12-15 6:01 AM Komet - 2013-12-15 5:57 AM Hey... Once you have it won, why screw with it? Take a knee and let the clock run out... Ya, I do understand that mindset. I guess I just like the all or go down in flames approach. And all those guys I listed have sure put on some of the most exciting performances in NFR history! Barrel racing is an expensive sport... Horses cost a ton to get and keep healthy.... It's too much hard work to risk losing everything just to give someone else a sporting chance after you have it won. It's not that I really see it as giving the other competitors a chance. It's more of a deal of "not going for 1st everytime" type of thing, it just seems "wrong" to me. I guess is the nice word to use. Again, no disrespect to Sherry, would of soon saw her win it as anybody. Although I was really impressed by Taylor and her horse, Bo.
She also set a new average record on 10 rounds as I recall and placed in every round.
Agreed. She put out FAST and awesome runs ALL week! If she did safety up at all, it was only the last round, IMO, and she was playing it smart!! I commend her. She made the right calls |
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