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Location: Iowa | I was just wondering what stallion owners do when the say "special considerations". Do they look at the pedigree of a mare, her performance record, her offspring performance records, etc?
For example here is my mare's pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/manets+lovenromance
What would they say? Sorry just trying to understand. Thanks in Advance! |
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| Generally performance and produce records. |
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Location: Desert Land | In my experience it is based on the mare's performance record or produce record. Sometimes stallion owners will do free/discounted breedings on mare who are daughter's of a specific stallion - like Chasin Firewater has done with Dash Ta Fame Daughters. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I give discounts off the stud fee for mares that have succeeded in earning money in any event, at least SI 80 or ROM in a speed event at a breed show. Basically anything that has done something of note. I give the same discounts to producers of the same thing.
My reasoning is this: I figure if the mare is sound of mind and body enough to be finished training in and compete in an event (and earn money) they are the kind of mares and people I want to have a foal. It doesn't always take into account the mares that don't get there because of an injury but I do donate breedings to SSA's and they can get a breeding that way if they want to. |
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Location: Iowa | This all makes sense to me. This mare has had 3 foals in which 2 raced and were pretty successful, but both got injured this year. Her youngest was out of Captain Courage and we had very high hopes for him. She herself got injured in race training from what we were told, and really never ran any big barrel racing events before she became a broodmare when we bought her at the age of 9. I am trying to get her back into barrels, but as a mom of 3 young kids I don't get to go do it much. Do they consider all these things or just specifically look at records? |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | OregonBR - 2013-12-17 4:46 PM I give discounts off the stud fee for mares that have succeeded in earning money in any event, at least SI 80 or ROM in a speed event at a breed show. Basically anything that has done something of note. I give the same discounts to producers of the same thing.
My reasoning is this: I figure if the mare is sound of mind and body enough to be finished training in and compete in an event (and earn money) they are the kind of mares and people I want to have a foal. It doesn't always take into account the mares that don't get there because of an injury but I do donate breedings to SSA's and they can get a breeding that way if they want to. Ditto, same here.
If a mare has shown or produced well in any discipline and it's documented we will usually discount the breeding. The better the mare, the deeper the discount, generally.
One young outside stallion we are breeding to this year offered a discount for mares with $10K or more documented EquiStat barrel earnings. That's not a bad way to go either, since those records are easy to pull up on a mare.
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| In the cases of the stallions I've bred to, it is based on what the mare or her progeny have done. Most want a stakes mare
or stakes producer. Some farms also do multiple mare discounts.
The more proven a stallion is, the fewer considerations (usually).
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Location: South Central Florida | Since this is new for me, I would assume it meand performance record, or producer.
We did get a discount this year based on breding alone. It is a young stallion, just starting and they are looking for blood lines. The mare is proven, but not big only localy.
I'm thinking it may be different for every stallion, but generally it's performance. |
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| I have a retired 1-d mare, out of a mare that add wadell rode in furtities a good while age. Also my mare has 5 full siblings that also,did well in barrel racing. When i have asked for considerations i get laughed at maybe 100.00 bux. Makes me think, well know and you stallions. 5 or 6 years age i turned 40k down for this mare. This mare just stayed around here local also, i didnot go far or what she won could have been double. Also, one year in nbha sweestakes they made a mistake in 2-d and left her out, i got a 750.00 check and they never corrected. I know she has some equistat earnings somewhere about 10k. You would think stallion owners would love her. But there a lot of overprice stallions also. I want a stallion with a great maternal line also, not just a dink mare.
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Location: Iowa | It's definitely an interesting topic for me, and I'm trying to learn more on all of it. We have owned the mare listed above for about 6 years, we got her to breed, and have gotten 3 foals out of her. Two of which raced. One is a coming 4yr old mare and one a coming 3yr old gelding, so not real old. They both ran on the track with combined earnings over $40,000. The older one ran more races but got injured this year, she was a late bloomer on the track and this was really going to be her year to shine, but she will now be a broodmare. The younger one only ran two races before he got hurt, the second race he actually won. Hopefully he will recover and either go back to the track or to the arena. I feel like our mare didn't get a real fair chance to prove herself and neither did her offspring. She is an amazing athlete and so are her foals. I really am not concerned about getting any considerations, but as the last person posted, how do you get a well bred mare to be considered if they haven't been hauled and ran all over the place? I feel that she is bred very well, and there are not very many Rolls of Romance daughters out there, so I also think that would be an attractive thing to many stallion owners because, it's like a diamond in the rough, but like I said I'm trying to pick the brains of others to see what exactly they are looking for and IF they ever consider something a little out of the norm, but seems to be a good gamble.
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| daisycake123 - 2013-12-17 8:03 PM I have a retired 1-d mare, out of a mare that add wadell rode in furtities a good while age. Also my mare has 5 full siblings that also,did well in barrel racing. When i have asked for considerations i get laughed at maybe 100.00 bux. Makes me think, well know and you stallions. 5 or 6 years age i turned 40k down for this mare. This mare just stayed around here local also, i didnot go far or what she won could have been double. Also, one year in nbha sweestakes they made a mistake in 2-d and left her out, i got a 750.00 check and they never corrected. I know she has some equistat earnings somewhere about 10k. You would think stallion owners would love her. But there a lot of overprice stallions also. I want a stallion with a great maternal line also, not just a dink mare.
I think a lot of the response you will get is based on the type of stallion you are looking into.
A stallion that has track winners and is being aimed specifically for the track probably won't be real interested in barrel earnings.
I think stallions being aimed for the barrel pen will look into the mares barrel earnings and/or track earnings so they are more open to a performance record versus track record.
Plus if the earnings aren't really documented, it's pretty tough to prove the actual amount. |
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