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Location: Barrel Horse World News | Hey everyone! It's time to call your senators and make sure they vote NO on the senate bill aiming to cut funds for our military. It's a compromise on budget cuts that Congress is trying to get through before they go home for Christmas.
My Oklahoma senators (Inhofe and Coburn) are voting NO and so should yours! Call them now. Tell them to support our military. My little brother is in the military and has suffered cuts enough.
We don't need Washington getting away with vacations across the world, shutting down the White House, AND continuing cuts on military spending.
Tell your senator to vote NO on HJ Res. 59. They can do better than this for our country! Our men and women in uniform deserve better! | |
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Location: Barrel Horse World News | Just a follow up ... this compromise looks great. It is almost what we need. It just isn't there yet. The GOP is split, too. I support the GOP but we need to do better yet. Keep working, guys!
"Also, several Republican senators spoke Tuesday in opposition of the budget plan, largely because they say the bill would not reduce federal spending at high enough levels. At the same time, other senators were concerned the bill would cut too much from military spending. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he voted against allowing the bill to proceed because it does not adhere to the fiscal restraints under the congressionally-approved Budget Control Act (BCA), which ended a debt-ceiling crisis in 2011 and ushered in sequestration. “I fully appreciate the constraints that Chairman Ryan and Chairman Murray faced in their negotiations,” McConnell said. “And there are clearly some good things to be said about their agreement. But in my view, we should not go back on the commitment we made under the BCA.”'
http://www.agri-pulse.com/Senate-poised-to-approve-two-year-budget-bill-to-avoid-shutdown-12172013.asp | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | This BS makes my head spin. The GOP is proving to be turds just like the Dems.
Thanks for posting this.
Prayers to our military men and women and to all our vets. 
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| I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Yes, cuts need to be made...however, the major role of the federal gov't is to protect our borders. Period. Unfortunately, politicians really like the concept of 'feasability'. It's most definitely their favorite 'f' word. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, if it's 'feasable' they will shove it down our throats because they cannot see the forrest for the trees. They just want to do 'something' even if it's wrong.
Oh well...here's a few of the things that they could at least consider cutting:
http://rare.us/story/the-government-spends-money-on-what-a-list-of-the-most-absurd-things-taxpayers-paid-for-last-year/
Sorry I cannot c/p it to this site, you'll have to click on it if you're interested! | |
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Location: Texas | Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM
I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away!
I agree with you, somewhat. Cuts are being made and the military isn't exempt. However, someone who has spent 25 years in the military has earned every cent of their retirement pay and that should not be taken away from them. | |
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away!
I am proud retired 20 yr military vet. I have been retired for 19 years. I do not know where they are coming up with the notion that just because I could go back to work for another 20, I should get less. My retirement was 50% of my base pay and believe me my pension when I retired was not enough to live on or support a family of 5. I had to go back to work.
I am a vet of Viet Nam, Urgent Fury, Just Cause, and Desert Storm. I have paid taxes like every one else. In fact, most pay raises (1-2%) put me in the next tax bracket so that the new pay check was less than the one 2 wks previous. When you are at the beck and call of the government 24/7 moved with or without your family - months or years at a time; then you can complain - I averaged 1 move every 15 mo.
I am not complaining, I am proud of the job I did and would do it again! But I'm definitely tired of the MILITARY PERSONNEL being the punching bag for all the budget cuts. What about Congressional pensions and automatic pay raises every year, what about the 30 Bil in wasteful spending, what about the credits that illegal aliens are getting.
I'm not saying that there is not waste in the military (I saw my fair share) but it is the logistics/regulations not the people. Just remember that the Primary function of the government when it was formed was to provide for NATIONAL DEFENSE of this country and you can't do that with a piece of paper. Remember the days of the DRAFT? How well do you think that will go over when you can no longer meet the quotas of an all volunteer force?
BTW that Pay decrease alsso applies to all the medically retired. So much for taking care of our wounded warriors! | |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 4:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away!
You obviously do not have a true understanding of what they, the military, do. I'll let my husband know that he doesn't deserve his pension, as small as it is going to be, after his dedicated service, after he finally gets home around 9 or 10 after another long day at work. | |
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | missroselee - 2013-12-18 7:08 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 4:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! You obviously do not have a true understanding of what they, the military, do. I'll let my husband know that he doesn't deserve his pension, as small as it is going to be, after his dedicated service, after he finally gets home around 9 or 10 after another long day at work.
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | yankeeredneck - 2013-12-18 8:12 PM missroselee - 2013-12-18 7:08 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 4:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! You obviously do not have a true understanding of what they, the military, do. I'll let my husband know that he doesn't deserve his pension, as small as it is going to be, after his dedicated service, after he finally gets home around 9 or 10 after another long day at work.
Thank you for your service as well. You were there when so many ppl had no appreciation. But some of us will always appreciate everyone. | |
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| Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM
I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away!
So you think it is ok to void the contract that you and I and every one else made to these people when they signed up? And some how you think that it is ok.....Really!! While I agree that the budget most be cut by trillions of dollars I am sure there are other ways. EPA, Department of education and the IRS would be my 1st choice I am sure we could find 6 billion there. Heck just get rid of the 16000 IRS agents we just hired to enforce Obama Care that's about half a billion. | |
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Location: Washington | We have witnessed a lot of broken promises in 30 years of service. Our deal right now is to care for those who are serving. We will make the adjustments in home. This is nothing new. Please remember that. HOOHAH! | |
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Location: The birthplace of Honest Abe | What I have a problem with is the ones saying 20 and done should get the cuts are our congressman who can do a two to four yr stint in congress and get pd that salary for the rest of their life plus free health care
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Location: Washington | jenijill - 2013-12-18 6:26 PM What I have a problem with is the ones saying 20 and done should get the cuts are our congressman who can do a two to four yr stint in congress and get pd that salary for the rest of their life plus free health care
Remember the knowing of going in for service knowing what your signing up for. The issue is the once promised, it's broken, and taken away. If people don't start voting people out(congress and everyone else in office right now) that is on us/ and we shall own it. IT SUCKS! | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | BarrelRacing4Christ - 2013-12-17 8:05 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! I agree with you, somewhat. Cuts are being made and the military isn't exempt. However, someone who has spent 25 years in the military has earned every cent of their retirement pay and that should not be taken away from them.
Sorry but I disagree.....................
Why didn't they cut all federal employees.............not just pick on the military......... | |
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | Federal employees (military excluded) are UNION | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | yankeeredneck - 2013-12-17 10:04 PM
Federal employees (military excluded) are UNION
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| I was a nine year old boy when I found out my dad died in desert storm. Dont tell me that I dont understand what our military has to give up...or what I had to give up. The governement is broken, cuts must be made. Everybody wants cuts but they dont want to release the tit from thier own mouth.
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Location: NC | The point is: when you sign up, you're told you have a pension (as small as it is) waiting for you after 20 years.
You can't just change the contract in the middle of the service term. It just doesn't work like that.
Broken promises are one thing. Breaking a contract is another. This has been the same for years.
Why not cut congressional benefits? Or the benefits of former presidents? Most have more than enough anyways. They don't need a nice salary plus benefits. We would save millions. | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Like every portion of our government I bet there are plenty of places the waste and graft could be cleaned up so that cuts to the DOD budget would never have to effect military personnel. | |
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Location: Texas | What is so nauseating about this whole thing, is just yesterday the Senator who does the yearly list of waste in government spending just came out. He sited over 30 Billion dollars being spent on stupid stuff, like an over 900,000.00 study about why people read romantic novels. And our government chooses to cut military benefits, rather then doing the work and eliminating wasteful spending. Beyond making any sense | |
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Location: NC | EnterUp - 2013-12-19 11:28 AM
What is so nauseating about this whole thing, is just yesterday the Senator who does the yearly list of waste in government spending just came out. He sited over 30 Billion dollars being spent on stupid stuff, like an over 900,000.00 study about why people read romantic novels. And our government chooses to cut military benefits, rather then doing the work and eliminating wasteful spending. Beyond making any sense
It seems to be a "quick fix" to make it look like they were working before they went off on holiday break. | |
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Location: La Belle, Mo | Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! try living on the pay they give you while you are out there away form home and family and your family home trying to make it work on the LITTLE bit they give you. Tell it to those ones who are now dying of cancer because of helping Japan out with the nucluer fall out from their plant, or the ones with out limbs that were following orders and now our great piece of crap prez and congress who have more money then we could dream of dont ever have to worry about if they will have enough to feed their family before the next paycheck comes in, are cutting their benefits for healt care also!!
What they get is NOT alot in their pension and IF they dont put HALF of it away each month when they die their spouses get NOTHING!! My husband served 20 yrs and for that service he gets a whopping 1300 a MONTH for pension!
They risk their lifes to keep us free over here and NOW the government that has WAY more then they need wants to take away from them while they enjoy the good life, NOT!!!!!!
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| horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 11:10 AM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! try living on the pay they give you while you are out there away form home and family and your family home trying to make it work on the LITTLE bit they give you. Tell it to those ones who are now dying of cancer because of helping Japan out with the nucluer fall out from their plant, or the ones with out limbs that were following orders and now our great piece of crap prez and congress who have more money then we could dream of dont ever have to worry about if they will have enough to feed their family before the next paycheck comes in, are cutting their benefits for healt care also!!
What they get is NOT alot in their pension and IF they dont put HALF of it away each month when they die their spouses get NOTHING!! My husband served 20 yrs and for that service he gets a whopping 1300 a MONTH for pension!
They risk their lifes to keep us free over here and NOW the government that has WAY more then they need wants to take away from them while they enjoy the good life, NOT!!!!!!
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Location: Never in one place long | yankeeredneck - 2013-12-18 7:08 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! I am proud retired 20 yr military vet. I have been retired for 19 years. I do not know where they are coming up with the notion that just because I could go back to work for another 20, I should get less. My retirement was 50% of my base pay and believe me my pension when I retired was not enough to live on or support a family of 5. I had to go back to work.
I am a vet of Viet Nam, Urgent Fury, Just Cause, and Desert Storm. I have paid taxes like every one else. In fact, most pay raises (1-2%) put me in the next tax bracket so that the new pay check was less than the one 2 wks previous. When you are at the beck and call of the government 24/7 moved with or without your family - months or years at a time; then you can complain - I averaged 1 move every 15 mo.
I am not complaining, I am proud of the job I did and would do it again! But I'm definitely tired of the MILITARY PERSONNEL being the punching bag for all the budget cuts. What about Congressional pensions and automatic pay raises every year, what about the 30 Bil in wasteful spending, what about the credits that illegal aliens are getting.
I'm not saying that there is not waste in the military (I saw my fair share) but it is the logistics/regulations not the people. Just remember that the Primary function of the government when it was formed was to provide for NATIONAL DEFENSE of this country and you can't do that with a piece of paper. Remember the days of the DRAFT? How well do you think that will go over when you can no longer meet the quotas of an all volunteer force?
BTW that Pay decrease alsso applies to all the medically retired. So much for taking care of our wounded warriors!
I agree with this, one thing you need to keep in mind with the military is it is NOT a normal job... putting 20-25 years in a Military job is TOUGH.... you have to be away from your family for LONG periods of time, Move constantly in some cases, RISK YOUR LIFE and you are TIED to being available for the goverment whenever or wherever they need you....
In a normal job you can quit, stay in one location, be with your family and most of the time NOT have to put your life in danger.... just comparing the differences here... one thing that must be taken into consideration...
My husband has been in the Air Force for 12 years, it's tough when he is away... tough on marriage and hard having to worry about him when he is deployed. Many who's SO are in the military have to worry even more than I do... I think the differences in job compensate for the shorter time period for retirement and like was stated earlier... you cannot LIVE on the pension you receive and for my husband he won't get one until he's 65 I believe..... | |
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Location: Never in one place long | EnterUp - 2013-12-19 10:28 AM
What is so nauseating about this whole thing, is just yesterday the Senator who does the yearly list of waste in government spending just came out. He sited over 30 Billion dollars being spent on stupid stuff, like an over 900,000.00 study about why people read romantic novels. And our government chooses to cut military benefits, rather then doing the work and eliminating wasteful spending. Beyond making any sense
^^^^^ Counldn't agree MORE.... does anyone keep track of the completely STUPID "studies" that done...... they spend BILLIONS on these studies who the H*LL approves this WHO!!!! I would like to know!!! And people are DYING and they are spending money determining WHY people don't like this or why they do that.... WHO GIVES A SH*T!!! It's the truth... research it.... I love the Chapter on this in the O'Reily Factor....absolutly SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Location: La Belle, Mo | Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 11:37 AM horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 11:10 AM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! try living on the pay they give you while you are out there away form home and family and your family home trying to make it work on the LITTLE bit they give you. Tell it to those ones who are now dying of cancer because of helping Japan out with the nucluer fall out from their plant, or the ones with out limbs that were following orders and now our great piece of crap prez and congress who have more money then we could dream of dont ever have to worry about if they will have enough to feed their family before the next paycheck comes in, are cutting their benefits for healt care also!!
What they get is NOT alot in their pension and IF they dont put HALF of it away each month when they die their spouses get NOTHING!! My husband served 20 yrs and for that service he gets a whopping 1300 a MONTH for pension!
They risk their lifes to keep us free over here and NOW the government that has WAY more then they need wants to take away from them while they enjoy the good life, NOT!!!!!!
1300 doesnt go very far anymore and if you have to give half to the governemt so your family will have something after wards not far at all/ Also not a whole lot to show for those 20 yrs of not being home with your family, missing your kids grown up and all.
coming out on top would be the people who serve ONE term in congress and get their retirement for life and THEY get vote themselves into a raise each yr, Military hasnt had one for quite sometime! AND when they did their housing cost went up,even when living on base you still paid rent and electric and all, and everytime we got a raise so did they!
Funny how it is those who dont/didnt make the scrifices are the ones who dont care that those who DID are getting screwed!! People should have to walk a mile in their shoes before they say they arent entiled to this, or the returning vets who now have nitemares, and are physically unable to do things now because they scarificed for those left over here are being screwed by those who are in power and those who dont really understand what they go thru!! Try giving up all your friends every couple of yrs and packing up and moving again, to make new ones, then do it all over again in a couple more yrs, To leave this country and go to ones where sometime you dont even speak the language so we can keep this one free!! There is ALOT these people give up! Kids grown before some get to see them again and some gave ALL they had with laying their lives down so we could be on here and other sites and voice our view keep our freedoms, yeah I personally think they deserve their penison and alot more then they get. Sometime Support from those back home means more then that!!
Those guys over in foreign countries ALOT of them make less then people working at Walmart do an hour, or those hamburger jockeys who think they are worth more, they lay their lives down for us EVERY MINUTE of EVERY DAY while over there and get treated like crap by most people thats is they even think about what it REALLY cost to be free.
And we pay those bozos on the hill TONS of money.......for what to spend us into greater debt, to make wars, that NONE of their familes fight and then have the gull to cut THEIR benifits and pay.............. NOPE not right at all!!
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 9:19 AM I was a nine year old boy when I found out my dad died in desert storm. Dont tell me that I dont understand what our military has to give up...or what I had to give up. The governement is broken, cuts must be made. Everybody wants cuts but they dont want to release the tit from thier own mouth.
"All gave some and some gave all" I am so sorry for you and your family's loss. You all have paid the ultimate price for this countries freedom. I come from a family of military vets and have felt the same loss.
I agree - the government is broken! Unfortunately it is due to career politicians, corruption and unions - not our military personnel! The military has its fair share of wasteful spending but it is not on personnel salaries. When I got ready to retire my Salary equated to 1.31 before taxes based on a 24/7 work week. When I retired I got half of that. SS recipients get more than I do a month. My annual salary is well below poverty level. I could not survive on it alone if I had to.
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | hlynn - 2013-12-19 9:39 AM The point is: when you sign up, you're told you have a pension (as small as it is) waiting for you after 20 years. You can't just change the contract in the middle of the service term. It just doesn't work like that. Broken promises are one thing. Breaking a contract is another. This has been the same for years. Why not cut congressional benefits? Or the benefits of former presidents? Most have more than enough anyways. They don't need a nice salary plus benefits. We would save millions.
I've had many of my benifits eroded since before I even retired - the saying goes "What Uncle Sam giveth; he can take away!" No matter what they have said. | |
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| horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 12:15 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 11:37 AM horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 11:10 AM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! try living on the pay they give you while you are out there away form home and family and your family home trying to make it work on the LITTLE bit they give you. Tell it to those ones who are now dying of cancer because of helping Japan out with the nucluer fall out from their plant, or the ones with out limbs that were following orders and now our great piece of crap prez and congress who have more money then we could dream of dont ever have to worry about if they will have enough to feed their family before the next paycheck comes in, are cutting their benefits for healt care also!!
What they get is NOT alot in their pension and IF they dont put HALF of it away each month when they die their spouses get NOTHING!! My husband served 20 yrs and for that service he gets a whopping 1300 a MONTH for pension!
They risk their lifes to keep us free over here and NOW the government that has WAY more then they need wants to take away from them while they enjoy the good life, NOT!!!!!!
coming out on top would be the people who serve ONE term in congress and get their retirement for life and THEY get vote themselves into a raise each yr, Military hasnt had one for quite sometime! AND when they did their housing cost went up,even when living on base you still paid rent and electric and all, and everytime we got a raise so did they!
Funny how it is those who dont/didnt make the scrifices are the ones who dont care that those who DID are getting screwed!! People should have to walk a mile in their shoes before they say they arent entiled to this, or the returning vets who now have nitemares, and are physically unable to do things now because they scarificed for those left over here are being screwed by those who are in power and those who dont really understand what they go thru!! Try giving up all your friends every couple of yrs and packing up and moving again, to make new ones, then do it all over again in a couple more yrs, To leave this country and go to ones where sometime you dont even speak the language so we can keep this one free!! There is ALOT these people give up! Kids grown before some get to see them again and some gave ALL they had with laying their lives down so we could be on here and other sites and voice our view keep our freedoms, yeah I personally think they deserve their penison and alot more then they get. Sometime Support from those back home means more then that!!
Those guys over in foreign countries ALOT of them make less then people working at Walmart do an hour, or those hamburger jockeys who think they are worth more, they lay their lives down for us EVERY MINUTE of EVERY DAY while over there and get treated like crap by most people thats is they even think about what it REALLY cost to be free.
And we pay those bozos on the hill TONS of money.......for what to spend us into greater debt, to make wars, that NONE of their familes fight and then have the gull to cut THEIR benifits and pay.............. NOPE not right at all!!
Like I said, people want cuts, just not cuts that effect them personally. Also like I said before, you got off easy, with a husband and a pension. | |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 1:33 PM
horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 12:15 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 11:37 AM horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 11:10 AM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! try living on the pay they give you while you are out there away form home and family and your family home trying to make it work on the LITTLE bit they give you. Tell it to those ones who are now dying of cancer because of helping Japan out with the nucluer fall out from their plant, or the ones with out limbs that were following orders and now our great piece of crap prez and congress who have more money then we could dream of dont ever have to worry about if they will have enough to feed their family before the next paycheck comes in, are cutting their benefits for healt care also!!
What they get is NOT alot in their pension and IF they dont put HALF of it away each month when they die their spouses get NOTHING!! My husband served 20 yrs and for that service he gets a whopping 1300 a MONTH for pension!
They risk their lifes to keep us free over here and NOW the government that has WAY more then they need wants to take away from them while they enjoy the good life, NOT!!!!!!
coming out on top would be the people who serve ONE term in congress and get their retirement for life and THEY get vote themselves into a raise each yr, Military hasnt had one for quite sometime! AND when they did their housing cost went up,even when living on base you still paid rent and electric and all, and everytime we got a raise so did they!
Funny how it is those who dont/didnt make the scrifices are the ones who dont care that those who DID are getting screwed!! People should have to walk a mile in their shoes before they say they arent entiled to this, or the returning vets who now have nitemares, and are physically unable to do things now because they scarificed for those left over here are being screwed by those who are in power and those who dont really understand what they go thru!! Try giving up all your friends every couple of yrs and packing up and moving again, to make new ones, then do it all over again in a couple more yrs, To leave this country and go to ones where sometime you dont even speak the language so we can keep this one free!! There is ALOT these people give up! Kids grown before some get to see them again and some gave ALL they had with laying their lives down so we could be on here and other sites and voice our view keep our freedoms, yeah I personally think they deserve their penison and alot more then they get. Sometime Support from those back home means more then that!!
Those guys over in foreign countries ALOT of them make less then people working at Walmart do an hour, or those hamburger jockeys who think they are worth more, they lay their lives down for us EVERY MINUTE of EVERY DAY while over there and get treated like crap by most people thats is they even think about what it REALLY cost to be free.
And we pay those bozos on the hill TONS of money.......for what to spend us into greater debt, to make wars, that NONE of their familes fight and then have the gull to cut THEIR benifits and pay.............. NOPE not right at all!!
There are a whole lot better ways to cut spending than to take away military benefits that military members have EARNED.
I think cutting back on staff members within the White House is a good first step. Along with cutting funding for Obamacare. Then maybe we can look at cutting the benefits of one term Congressman. Treat them like military. You serve one term, you're let go without health care, a pension, or any other benefits. Just a little certificate that says "Thanks for being willing to give your life. Good luck in the real world". They can apply through their own version of the VA to see if their ailments are worth covering. | |
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | hlynn - 2013-12-19 12:51 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 1:33 PM horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 12:15 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 11:37 AM horsecrazy45 - 2013-12-19 11:10 AM Whiteboy - 2013-12-18 3:11 PM I appreciate our service men and women. I appreciate the sacrifice they have made on my behalf. But...cuts have to be made. This just happens to be the first one that is making it real to everybody. If there aren't enough cuts this nation WILL fall, and it will be really really messy. My problem with military pensions is the 25 and done deal. I don't get to retire after 25 years, I get to double that, If I make it work for myself. I'm not saying I dont appreciate the service of these people, because I do. I only wish there were more cuts in all the other wasteful areas of government on the chopping block also. Flame away! try living on the pay they give you while you are out there away form home and family and your family home trying to make it work on the LITTLE bit they give you. Tell it to those ones who are now dying of cancer because of helping Japan out with the nucluer fall out from their plant, or the ones with out limbs that were following orders and now our great piece of crap prez and congress who have more money then we could dream of dont ever have to worry about if they will have enough to feed their family before the next paycheck comes in, are cutting their benefits for healt care also!!
What they get is NOT alot in their pension and IF they dont put HALF of it away each month when they die their spouses get NOTHING!! My husband served 20 yrs and for that service he gets a whopping 1300 a MONTH for pension!
They risk their lifes to keep us free over here and NOW the government that has WAY more then they need wants to take away from them while they enjoy the good life, NOT!!!!!!
coming out on top would be the people who serve ONE term in congress and get their retirement for life and THEY get vote themselves into a raise each yr, Military hasnt had one for quite sometime! AND when they did their housing cost went up,even when living on base you still paid rent and electric and all, and everytime we got a raise so did they!
Funny how it is those who dont/didnt make the scrifices are the ones who dont care that those who DID are getting screwed!! People should have to walk a mile in their shoes before they say they arent entiled to this, or the returning vets who now have nitemares, and are physically unable to do things now because they scarificed for those left over here are being screwed by those who are in power and those who dont really understand what they go thru!! Try giving up all your friends every couple of yrs and packing up and moving again, to make new ones, then do it all over again in a couple more yrs, To leave this country and go to ones where sometime you dont even speak the language so we can keep this one free!! There is ALOT these people give up! Kids grown before some get to see them again and some gave ALL they had with laying their lives down so we could be on here and other sites and voice our view keep our freedoms, yeah I personally think they deserve their penison and alot more then they get. Sometime Support from those back home means more then that!!
Those guys over in foreign countries ALOT of them make less then people working at Walmart do an hour, or those hamburger jockeys who think they are worth more, they lay their lives down for us EVERY MINUTE of EVERY DAY while over there and get treated like crap by most people thats is they even think about what it REALLY cost to be free.
And we pay those bozos on the hill TONS of money.......for what to spend us into greater debt, to make wars, that NONE of their familes fight and then have the gull to cut THEIR benifits and pay.............. NOPE not right at all!!
There are a whole lot better ways to cut spending than to take away military benefits that military members have EARNED. I think cutting back on staff members within the White House is a good first step. Along with cutting funding for Obamacare. Then maybe we can look at cutting the benefits of one term Congressman. Treat them like military. You serve one term, you're let go without health care, a pension, or any other benefits. Just a little certificate that says "Thanks for being willing to give your life. Good luck in the real world". They can apply through their own version of the VA to see if their ailments are worth covering.
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | jenijill - 2013-12-18 8:26 PM What I have a problem with is the ones saying 20 and done should get the cuts are our congressman who can do a two to four yr stint in congress and get pd that salary for the rest of their life plus free health care
Exactly...That is where the first cut should have been plus cut their healthcare package that is heads above what we get. | |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | musikmaker - 2013-12-18 6:11 PM Yes, cuts need to be made...however, the major role of the federal gov't is to protect our borders. Period. Unfortunately, politicians really like the concept of 'feasability'. It's most definitely their favorite 'f' word. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, if it's 'feasable' they will shove it down our throats because they cannot see the forrest for the trees. They just want to do 'something' even if it's wrong.
Oh well...here's a few of the things that they could at least consider cutting:
http://rare.us/story/the-government-spends-money-on-what-a-list-of-the-most-absurd-things-taxpayers-paid-for-last-year/
Sorry I cannot c/p it to this site, you'll have to click on it if you're interested!
~~ Calling out Congress for refusing to make difficult choices on the federal spending, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) again issued a list of government programs that he says clearly demonstrates why the budget deficit keeps going up for Uncle Sam. “The truth is we would much rather borrow money than cut spending,” said Coburn at a news conference in the U.S. Capitol. The page has 132 pages of details on spending that Coburn believes is questionable – backed up by almost a thousand footnotes from government reports and news stories. “The Department of Interior was counting sheep with high-tech unmanned aerial drones after delaying the opening of some national landmarks and closing others early,” the report said on its opening page. Coburn tallied up nearly $30 billion in possible savings. “When it comes to spending your money, those in Washington tend to see no waste, speak no waste, and cut no waste,” he added. Other examples in the report: + More than 100,000 non-essential federal employees being paid a salary of at least $100,000 were furloughed as non-essential. + The Army National Guard spent $10 million on Superman movie tie-ins while plans were being made to cut the strength of the Guard by 8,000 soldiers. + NASA spent $3 million on an annual “Congressional Operations Seminar on Capitol Hill.” + The Agriculture Department spent over $415,000 to market U.S. wines in China. + The State Department spent $704,198 on “gardening and landscaping services” at the home of the NATO Ambassador in Brussels, Belgium. + The State Department spent $630,000 to generate Facebook “likes.” You can see the entire “Wastebook” from Sen. Coburn on his Senate website.
- See more at: http://rare.us/story/the-government-spends-money-on-what-a-list-of-...
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Location: Missouri | yankeeredneck - 2013-12-18 9:04 PM
Federal employees (military excluded) are UNION
Sorry but NOT all Federal Employees are union. I am a federal employee and my retirement will be SS along with what I have in my Thrift savings plan, that I pay into each paycheck. Yes I will get a VERY small federal pension. The retirement system for Federal employees (I am talking peon employees NOT elected officials) changed many years ago. We pay into SS where they used to not pay.
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Damn Yankee
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 10:19 AM I was a nine year old boy when I found out my dad died in desert storm. Dont tell me that I dont understand what our military has to give up...or what I had to give up. The governement is broken, cuts must be made. Everybody wants cuts but they dont want to release the tit from thier own mouth.
So when your family has paid the ultimate sacrifice, how could you sit there and say they don't deserve it retirements and pensions??? You of all people should understand......but clearly your views are different. Go ahead and convince me and everyone else that there are no other areas beside military where cuts can be made. | |
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| missroselee - 2013-12-19 5:43 PM Whiteboy - 2013-12-19 10:19 AM I was a nine year old boy when I found out my dad died in desert storm. Dont tell me that I dont understand what our military has to give up...or what I had to give up. The governement is broken, cuts must be made. Everybody wants cuts but they dont want to release the tit from thier own mouth.
So when your family has paid the ultimate sacrifice, how could you sit there and say they don't deserve it retirements and pensions??? You of all people should understand......but clearly your views are different. Go ahead and convince me and everyone else that there are no other areas beside military where cuts can be made.
Read my first post, where I said I wish they would cut all the wastful areas of government. I understand what this means, It means $25 per month less per retiree, it means that spending deficit will be less by $6 bill over 10 years. I also know the gov. valued my father's life at $10,000. You must not understand the mess we are in. EVERYBODY is going to have to sacrifice some of their money, EVERYBODY. In case you haven't gathered, I hate government, and would do away with as much of it as possible. And By the way, my fathers service and sacrifice wasn't about the money, he loved this country and did what he had to in order to protect it. Can you say the same? | |
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Location: MT | another has been - 2013-12-19 2:46 PM yankeeredneck - 2013-12-18 9:04 PM
Federal employees (military excluded) are UNION
Sorry but NOT all Federal Employees are union. I am a federal employee and my retirement will be SS along with what I have in my Thrift savings plan, that I pay into each paycheck. Yes I will get a VERY small federal pension. The retirement system for Federal employees (I am talking peon employees NOT elected officials ) changed many years ago. We pay into SS where they used to not pay.
Same here. Not all Federal employees are union. In fact, where I work the ones who are union members is a very low percentage. | |
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| Yes budget cuts are going to happen... I think we should be ashamed of cutting the military's money... I think the politicians and other things in our government should suffer first... I can tell you that my husband was blown up and messed up very badly in Iraq. This isnt a pitty party he would do it again for our country, but I can tell you his medical retirement check is nothing and if he wasn't married to me how would he survive???? I have watched him for 6 years with horrible migraines can barely walk at times... He has a traumatic brain injury cant remember half the stuff I tell him. Has ptsd to the point he had to have major counseling just to even deal with civilian life... I can paint a clear picture for anyone that doesn't know about ptsd... He couldn't even go into a room without his back close to the wall so he could see everyone or he would absolutely loose it... The counseling by the Va was not adequate they just sent him home with pills.... As far as his migraines we where in the hospital at least 2 times a week for five years....The Va would just send him out the door with meds which mind you where not working... All in all I took him to civilian doctors that where top in their field that we had to pay for out of our own pocket.. He needed a major surgery in his neck because his nerves where pinched that cost close to 10k AND THAT WAS DISCOUNTED BY THE DOCTOR but supposedly or military people are taken care of??? IT is really sad that is what things are coming too and our military that are busting their butts so you can live in the land of the free.... My husband told me he would do it again in a heart beat and he would love to go back if he could. All in all I think we can cut money somewhere else.  | |
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Budget cuts on our military? Hail NO!