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Location: Arkansas | Has anyone ever had a horse with this? What did you give them? |
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| Injectable Bcomplex. Red Cell. Lixotinic. Do you know why he has a low RBC count and has the reason been corrected? |
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| I would ask your vet, but my guess would b12 shot would be the fastest most effective way to help him. I would make sure he is on a balanced diet so that it doesn't happen again. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | As someone noted above have you stopped the primary cause of the problem?
If the horse is having an acute issue, 500ml bag 10ml Caco Iron, 10ml B12-5000 and 10ml BComplex (use a Jug pump to rapidly infuse if your using a 1000ml bag of fluids)
Chronic issue, Lixotinic
Blood test weekly till normal.
Edited by uno-dos-tres! 2013-12-20 8:42 AM
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| my horses Red Blood Count doped because of silver lining herbs, he was put on vitamin shots and dex, a long month later he recovered from it! |
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Location: Texas | B12 technically is supposed to take like 48 hours so the body can use what it takes from the B12 to make new red blood cells. I know when I had to give a shot of it it seemed like they perked up quicker, so IDK! I will find out more about it I am sure.
We had a mildly anemic horse and people suggested lixotinic. It was out of stock at every feed store I went to so I just bought red cell and the red cell did the trick. Lixotinic is supposed to be better but it is more expensive. |
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Location: Arkansas | I am giving 10cc of B13 Vitamin C and a Vitamin Complex twice a week. His iron level is perfect so we don't want to give him something that is iron based. He told me to keep with the shots for another 30 days and come back I just wasn't sure if there was anything I can do until then.
Will anything happen if he has to much iron? Will it hurt him or just make expensive pee? Lol
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| I just had this conversation with my vet yesterday. She said sometimes a bleeding ulcer could be the cause. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Kathryn Hawkins - 2013-12-27 10:25 PM I am giving 10cc of B13 Vitamin C and a Vitamin Complex twice a week. His iron level is perfect so we don't want to give him something that is iron based. He told me to keep with the shots for another 30 days and come back I just wasn't sure if there was anything I can do until then. Will anything happen if he has to much iron? Will it hurt him or just make expensive pee? Lol
Horses can get an iron toxicity. You want to watch for S/S diarrhea, anorexia, and a horse that seems to be cold all the time. I used to wonder about some of these signs in track horses that were getting a "jug" every few weeks to race. After going to school and getting a little "human" education I've been able to ask vets questions with a little more knowledge.
You will want to taper your shots down and your spot on with not giving any iron if not needed. Most hay has plenty for the horse. |
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Location: Arkansas | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-28 11:33 AM
Kathryn Hawkins - 2013-12-27 10:25 PM I am giving 10cc of B13 Vitamin C and a Vitamin Complex twice a week. His iron level is perfect so we don't want to give him something that is iron based. He told me to keep with the shots for another 30 days and come back I just wasn't sure if there was anything I can do until then. Will anything happen if he has to much iron? Will it hurt him or just make expensive pee? Lol
Horses can get an iron toxicity. You want to watch for S/S diarrhea, anorexia, and a horse that seems to be cold all the time. I used to wonder about some of these signs in track horses that were getting a "jug" every few weeks to race. After going to school and getting a little "human" education I've been able to ask vets questions with a little more knowledge.
You will want to taper your shots down and your spot on with not giving any iron if not needed. Most hay has plenty for the horse.
B12*** oops
So being cold could cause him to have a low blood count?
We've tested for ulcers no ulcers(Finally got rid of them a few months ago)
Scoped him for bleeding he's not a bleeder. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Kathryn Hawkins - 2013-12-28 8:46 PM uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-28 11:33 AM Kathryn Hawkins - 2013-12-27 10:25 PM I am giving 10cc of B13 Vitamin C and a Vitamin Complex twice a week. His iron level is perfect so we don't want to give him something that is iron based. He told me to keep with the shots for another 30 days and come back I just wasn't sure if there was anything I can do until then. Will anything happen if he has to much iron? Will it hurt him or just make expensive pee? Lol Horses can get an iron toxicity. You want to watch for S/S diarrhea, anorexia, and a horse that seems to be cold all the time. I used to wonder about some of these signs in track horses that were getting a "jug" every few weeks to race. After going to school and getting a little "human" education I've been able to ask vets questions with a little more knowledge.
You will want to taper your shots down and your spot on with not giving any iron if not needed. Most hay has plenty for the horse. B12*** oops So being cold could cause him to have a low blood count? We've tested for ulcers no ulcers (Finally got rid of them a few months ago ) Scoped him for bleeding he's not a bleeder.
No, not being in the cold but a horse that is actually hypothermic, you want to check his blood work and make sure his iron levels aren't off the charts.
Hypothermia is a sign of high iron levels. Look for loose stools first!
About 10 years ago I had a really nice mare that I was seasoning (her 2nd year out). We were having some issues with her feet so I was giving her bute before her runs. I thought she may have been having ulcers so I took her to the track for a scope. No signs when we looked. I bred her in the fall. Got a baby and bred her back. She died a terrible death due to ulcers in her colon. I tell you this because horses with ulcers in the colon can hide the s/s pretty well. Does your horse have a beautiful shiney coat? If not, consider doing another test for blood in the stool and reconsider where the blood loss is coming from.
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| RED CELL and a handful of ADM GroStrong minerals in his feed everyday ... it has the right minerals and correctly chelated minerals that allow horse to absorb what he needs .. no magic shots for long term body system problems ... needs to come from his feeding program ...
B vitamins are just short term pepperuppers and not a good base for long term correction of a base need for the horse ... ..... |
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Location: Arkansas | His iron levels are perfect… Which is why I'm afraid to give him something with a lot of iron.
I am feeding ADM also. |
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| You just give us one tidbit of information at a time ... so I am going to treat you like you are one of my barn kids ...
First thing ... change vets ... he is just grabbing at straws in the night and has no idea what is going on if anything. Stop doing the vitamin shots immediately...
You finally tell us horse had ulcers but is healed ... iron level is perfect ... YET HORSE HAS LOW RBC or if any of the RBC are mutated or not ... and you never mention his WBC or if they are mutated etc etc .. ... lack of certain minerals and vitamins as catalysts can create the above ...
Then you say you are feeding ADM ... WHAT KIND AND WHICH FEED OR MINERALS??
Red blood cells are mfg'd in the bone marrow and if you are short on certain vitamins, enzymes then nothing happens for the horse to actually absorb the iron or other minerals. His iron count can look good due to iron sitting in his muscles etc and doing nothing in his bone marrow ...
You have received some good sound advice in the posts above but you have contradicted or ignored that they are answering your short diagnosis of a problem you think you have.
Nearly every poster has suggested Red Cell or one of the other RBC boosters since they have the correct amount of certain vitamins to turn on your horses enzymes to absorb whatever he may be short on ... it takes a lot of iron to give your horse iron toxicity .. so decide this on your own ...
If you want to get aggressive and work on upping your horses immune system and overall health .... then go on the attack with all of the suggestions below ...
ADM GroStrong minerals give a handful in at least 6 lbs of 14% feed per day with 24/7 hay; a whole tube of Quest Plus since his problem could come from an overload of parasites; low level infection .. give him a 10 day dose of SMZ or 5 days of shots 20cc of Pen G/day; discontinue all of your other supplements .... give him a cup of vanilla yogurt in his feed for 5 days on and 5 days off and then 5 days again ... to up his good gut bacteria ... either be mad or be glad and get after taking care of this horse to see if he has improved in the next 30 days and shines in 60 days ...
Right now ... look at the color of his pee and poop and remember what color it is ... tea colored pee is normal..... look at his poop ... some color of green/yellowish is normal .... if either or both is dark to black ... just watch and see if the color changes and you will know you are doing good as you get him back to his normal self....
GOOD LUCK ...
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