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Location: Kansas | well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL
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Location: Kansas | SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM
My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from.
as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail |
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Location: ND | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 8:14 PM SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from. as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail
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| Unless you have cooperation from the original owner you are probably SOL. AQHA cannot match up the stud from DNA. Also the stallion owner has to put the mare on his stallion report. My mare is NOT bred and I called the stallion owner and she did NOT put my mare on her report by mutual agreement. There was no point. You do kind of need to have an idea what stallion your mare was bred to. Sounds like the foal is out of Louisiana by Midnight. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 9:14 PM
SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM
My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from.
as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail
Why are they acting this way? Whats the big deal I wonder, are they trying to cover up something?  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-19 11:55 PM
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SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM
My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from.
as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail
Why are they acting this way? Whats the big deal I wonder, are they trying to cover up something?
Maybe the mares parents don't know and they are trying to protect her identity.
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Location: Kansas | DD2012 - 2013-12-20 7:27 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-19 11:55 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 9:14 PM SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from. as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail Why are they acting this way? Whats the big deal I wonder, are they trying to cover up something? Maybe the mares parents don't know and they are trying to protect her identity.
hahahahaha no!
I guess I'm just in awe of the whole situation, I'm past the irritated part...it's more funny now. I wish I knew who the stallion was so I could at least put a pedigree up for the baby LOL. Welp looks like I'm going to be a grandma.....hope my blue roan mare isn't bred either! (they came from the same lady) |
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| Wow. That stinks. Given that she has blocked you and all that, I wonder if the little bundle of joy will pop out with long ears, or spotted, or foxtrotting, LOL! |
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Location: Kansas | bennie1 - 2013-12-20 7:44 AM Wow. That stinks. Given that she has blocked you and all that, I wonder if the little bundle of joy will pop out with long ears, or spotted, or foxtrotting, LOL!
LOL I'm going to be curious as well! I was seriously thinking about that last night haha |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-20 7:47 AM bennie1 - 2013-12-20 7:44 AM Wow. That stinks. Given that she has blocked you and all that, I wonder if the little bundle of joy will pop out with long ears, or spotted, or foxtrotting, LOL! LOL I'm going to be curious as well! I was seriously thinking about that last night haha
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| Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-19 11:55 PM
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SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM
My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from.
as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail
Why are they acting this way? Whats the big deal I wonder, are they trying to cover up something?
Sounds to like the person told the stallion owner that the horse was not bred and did not pay a stud fee. If the horse is bred and the stallion owner is contacted he will not issue a breeder's certificate without a stud fee. This would be the only reason I can think of for a person to act this way. Trying to hide something.
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Location: MI | Congrats on being a gramma :). I got my colt similar. I bought the mare, guy was up front that she may be bred for a spring baby, but that it would be 100% registrable. He had the stud there. I believed him. Guy sold all of his horses, none of them were switched into his name from the previous owners (some had gone through 2-3 owners), and the stud wasn't ever registered with the AQHA as a breeding stallion. The mare was solid APHA, and the stud wasn't listed with the APHA as a breeding stallion. No breeding report. I was out of luck. I tracked down the guy who bought the stud, but they never transferred the stud into the guy who owned him at the time of the breeding, so that fell through too. That's when my husband said that we aren't buying any more horses whose papers weren't in order. Oh, and then he was born the day before Thanksgiving!
Thankfully, I LOVE my colt. He has my soul. 
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Location: SE KS | I had a similiar situation, bought mare, foaled next spring!! She was APHA, n I called the people that owned the mare before I bought her, they didn't have a clue how that happened!!! So I called the person that owned her before them. He was no help!!! However, I researched every possible male horse he owned both AQHA & APHA during the approximate time frame, & submitted them to APHA. Sadly no match was found.
Don't write it off, if he YOU can "prove" with the dna that your foal is by such n such horse stud, you have a lot of "power". Becuase it is right there in black & white.
My horse was a filly, so if they'd of wanted me to pay for some expenses, I'd have been open to the idea, bc now all I have is a grade Dun Tobiano mare!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | DD2012 - 2013-12-20 7:27 AM Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-19 11:55 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 9:14 PM SaraJean - 2013-12-19 9:07 PM My first thought would be to talk to the people you bought her from. as soon as I messaged her on Facebook, she read it then blocked me. ..... tried calling and it's going to voicemail Why are they acting this way? Whats the big deal I wonder, are they trying to cover up something? Maybe the mares parents don't know and they are trying to protect her identity.
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 10:00 PM
well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL
Doubt you would be lucky enough that there might be a breeding report on file with AQHA? Would be at least worth a call |
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Location: Kansas | margie10rodeo - 2013-12-20 2:58 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 10:00 PM well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL Doubt you would be lucky enough that there might be a breeding report on file with AQHA? Would be at least worth a call
I already gave them a call like 10 after 8a.m. LOL. She pulled her name and it isn't listed on any stallion report....so I'm SOL pretty much lol.
O well, chalk it up to another lesson learned. Hope I can find a home for the baby, cause I don't need another weanling LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-20 3:51 PM margie10rodeo - 2013-12-20 2:58 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 10:00 PM well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL Doubt you would be lucky enough that there might be a breeding report on file with AQHA? Would be at least worth a call
O well, chalk it up to another lesson learned. Hope I can find a home for the baby, cause I don't need another weanling LOL
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Location: La Frontera | bennie1 - 2013-12-20 5:44 AM Wow. That stinks. Given that she has blocked you and all that, I wonder if the little bundle of joy will pop out with long ears, or spotted, or foxtrotting, LOL!
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Read your last sentence .... Call AQHA and see if the blue roan mare is on a stallion report .... if so ... you might have found the traveling salesman that is the daddy to your buckskin mare ...
Pull mare produce on both mares and see who the last stallions were that sired their foals .. there's a chance they re-bred to the same stallion ... talk to last stallion owner..
Common sense sez this is what happened due to the timeframe the baby was born >>>
Since these mares seem to have changed owners frequently ....... and buckskin baby was born around Thanksgiving... (wrong time of year for breeding season) ... she may have been at a December office party at a sale barn and got frisky with one of the guys that was just passing thru there that bought her a drink or two ... ... lol...
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Location: ND | AQHA can't hardly keep track of what goes on from one department to the next much less figure out any way to help with this mess....... |
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 5:29 PM
AQHA can't hardly keep track of what goes on from one department to the next much less figure out any way to help with this mess.......
That ain't no chit! They cashed my check Nov 15 for new foal registration and a parentage verification hair test kit. I have yet to receive the kit...supposedly it was mailed last Friday. |
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Location: ND | bennie1 - 2013-12-20 5:52 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 5:29 PM AQHA can't hardly keep track of what goes on from one department to the next much less figure out any way to help with this mess....... That ain't no chit! They cashed my check Nov 15 for new foal registration and a parentage verification hair test kit. I have yet to receive the kit...supposedly it was mailed last Friday.
you have to wait 4 weeks.....after 6 i finally requested another.....then....2weeks ago i got the papers....then yesterday i got two letters.....one was to tell me that they had not yet recieved DNA for sampling and verification adn that if they did not recieve it in 60 days, my foal may not be eligible for registration.....the second letter i opened.....and in that order....was a letter encouraging me to reconsider nominating my foal, name and registration number at the top of the page, for the incentive fund.....both letters were dated on the same date.....just because it irritated me, i called today and gave the reg number and then said what the dna letter read and the lady says, 'we have have that already, you didn't need to call.'....that was the end of that conversation......
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| dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 6:02 PM
bennie1 - 2013-12-20 5:52 PM dhdqhllc - 2013-12-20 5:29 PM AQHA can't hardly keep track of what goes on from one department to the next much less figure out any way to help with this mess....... That ain't no chit! They cashed my check Nov 15 for new foal registration and a parentage verification hair test kit. I have yet to receive the kit...supposedly it was mailed last Friday.
they sure waste a lot of money on letters...
Are they trying to make it so ponderous to mail registrations in that you'll do them on line?? I did do one online (no parentage verification needed on that one) and I had papers in my hand in 10 days. |
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Location: Kansas | Here are some pictures I took from this evening while feeding, called the trainer and he said my blue roan mare didn't look or feel pregnant.
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Location: Kansas | bennie1 - 2013-12-20 7:26 PM You have had her checked...not just going off looking at the size of her belly?
I called my vet but he doesn't have the equipment. I'm giving my previous vet a call tomorrow morning to see if I can get something quickly. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-20 7:28 PM
bennie1 - 2013-12-20 7:26 PM You have had her checked...not just going off looking at the size of her belly?
I called my vet but he doesn't have the equipment. I'm giving my previous vet a call tomorrow morning to see if I can get something quickly.
All he needs is his hand. I had mine checked and the vet palpated her. Unfortunately, she is not bred. He should be able to feel a foal in there. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-20 4:51 PM
margie10rodeo - 2013-12-20 2:58 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 10:00 PM well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL Doubt you would be lucky enough that there might be a breeding report on file with AQHA? Would be at least worth a call
O well, chalk it up to another lesson learned. Hope I can find a home for the baby, cause I don't need another weanling LOL
Well.......I am very interested to find out what you end up with! My guess would be she is bred to something less than desirable due to the immediate block... Has she had prior foals? I would worry that maybe one of her sons bred her, again due to the immediate block. Did you ask AQHA if they could force the issue with the previous owner to say who she is bred to? |
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| margie10rodeo - 2013-12-21 3:46 PM
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margie10rodeo - 2013-12-20 2:58 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 10:00 PM well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL Doubt you would be lucky enough that there might be a breeding report on file with AQHA? Would be at least worth a call
O well, chalk it up to another lesson learned. Hope I can find a home for the baby, cause I don't need another weanling LOL
Well.......I am very interested to find out what you end up with! My guess would be she is bred to something less than desirable due to the immediate block... Has she had prior foals? I would worry that maybe one of her sons bred her, again due to the immediate block. Did you ask AQHA if they could force the issue with the previous owner to say who she is bred to?
Sounds to like the person told the stallion owner that the horse was not bred and did not pay a stud fee. If the horse is bred and the stallion owner is contacted he will not issue a breeder's certificate without a stud fee. This would be the only reason I can think of for a person to act this way. Trying to hide something.
As far as special equipment to preg test at that stage, the only equipment a vet needs is his arm. Pretty common with the vets around here. |
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margie10rodeo - 2013-12-20 2:58 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-19 10:00 PM well turns out my Buckskin broodmare is bred......And she was sold to me as open. So, question is....since I have no idea who the stud is and the mare has her DNA done....can they run DNA from the colt to match a stud? Stupid question I know but just kinda looking for ideas on what to do.....I kinda figured I'm SOL Doubt you would be lucky enough that there might be a breeding report on file with AQHA? Would be at least worth a call
O well, chalk it up to another lesson learned. Hope I can find a home for the baby, cause I don't need another weanling LOL
Well.......I am very interested to find out what you end up with! My guess would be she is bred to something less than desirable due to the immediate block... Has she had prior foals? I would worry that maybe one of her sons bred her, again due to the immediate block. Did you ask AQHA if they could force the issue with the previous owner to say who she is bred to?
Sounds to like the person told the stallion owner that the horse was not bred and did not pay a stud fee. If the horse is bred and the stallion owner is contacted he will not issue a breeder's certificate without a stud fee. This would be the only reason I can think of for a person to act this way. Trying to hide something.
As far as special equipment to preg test at that stage, the only equipment a vet needs is his arm. Pretty common with the vets around here.
Yeah, or it could be bred to the neighbor's jack, shetland pony, mustang or whatever and they don't want to be asked to take the mare back or otherwise "make it right". |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Does this person own any stallions of her own? Do you mind pm'ing me a name and maybe I can do some detective work :) |
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