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Location: Oregon | How do you tell (besides a vet telling you obviously) that your horses stifles are sore or bothering them? |
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| BKC2112 - 2013-12-22 3:32 PM
How do you tell (besides a vet telling you obviously) that your horses stifles are sore or bothering them?
They run up the fence??? |
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| Hold the leg tucked up under them for a minute or two then quickly trot off in a circle with that leg on the inside. At least that is how I was taught |
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| They can stumblein the back and either swtich leads in the rear. |
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Location: Texas | Mine did NOT want to back up. She also refused to lope a small circle- she would break into a trot. When I would run her she started doing a roll back at the second barrel and then it turned into not finishing her left turns at all. She used to INHALE her third barrel and over the summer she blew off so bad she no timed by running on the wrong side of the 2nd going home.
Her right stifle had a chip and it showed itself in her left turns.
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Location: Oklahoma | Honeymoney - 2013-12-22 3:55 PM
BKC2112 - 2013-12-22 3:32 PM
How do you tell (besides a vet telling you obviously) that your horses stifles are sore or bothering them?
They run up the fence???
It's been my experience that if they run up the fence, it's usually hocks. Stifles (again in my experience) causes them to blow off a barrel and not finish the turn or drop the inside lead in the turn. |
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Location: Texas | dianeguinn - 2013-12-22 7:46 PM
Honeymoney - 2013-12-22 3:55 PM
BKC2112 - 2013-12-22 3:32 PM
How do you tell (besides a vet telling you obviously) that your horses stifles are sore or bothering them?
They run up the fence???
It's been my experience that if they run up the fence, it's usually hocks. Stifles (again in my experience ) causes them to blow off a barrel and not finish the turn or drop the inside lead in the turn.
I agree. I would also add that I would hope they don't get to the running up the fence or ducking off phase. I had one run sore and he started ducking off… I was too late to fix his mind even after surgery to fix his body. never could get him over it. |
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Location: Texas | mine fell with me twice going around a barrel when he had stifle problems. first time I thought it was a fluke, second time I knew something was wrong. Also you can look at their tracks to see if they are short stepping |
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Location: Oregon | For those that had issues with them was there is any heat or any other obvious signs of it? |
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Location: Durant, OK | Another big tell for stifles is dragging their hind toes, if your seeing a "squaring" of the toe in the back that is a red flag |
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Location: Where ever | Not wanting to back, will not extend back leg to be cleaned out, cross firing an ducking at the turn that hurts the worst. |
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Location: Oregon | Hmmm .... doesnt sound like him lol what about a hawk issue? Would they be about the same signs? |
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Location: Oregon | drpepper - 2013-12-22 8:08 PM Not wanting to back, will not extend back leg to be cleaned out, cross firing an ducking at the turn that hurts the worst.
Do they also walk funny going down hills? |
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Location: sunny california | Outwest - 2013-12-22 9:53 PM drpepper - 2013-12-22 8:08 PM Not wanting to back, will not extend back leg to be cleaned out, cross firing an ducking at the turn that hurts the worst. Do they also walk funny going down hills?
yes. i had one that when you went to clean out his back feet he would stretch it out first then let you have it to clean. when you put them in the round pen watch how close their hind legs come together. when their stifles are really sore they will have both back legs together on some of the stides almost like one big leg pogo-sticking |
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Location: sunny california | if catching is an issue it is easier to see in deep sand. just lunge them and watch real close for the slight catching |
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Location: North Dakota | My guy with stifle issues is rough rough rough. Its also hard to drive forward and use his backend. He's also run off (not on the pattern) bows off the turns, short steps, & stumbles. I inject him during and all that goes away. |
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | My gelding - left stifle
Not picking up lead to the right.
Sometimes sinking down n rear end when ask to extend n lope.
Sinking down n left turn.
Not wanting to run extending
Slowed down in speed.
Not wanting to stop n get rear end under him
Had one n past to avoid turns.
Friend had mare to go into turn n rear up n leap n air away from turn n take off down the fence.
Bad cases are where stifle locks up stiff n then releases w a jerk from standing to taking a step forward.
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Location: TN | Back the horse and try to do a role back to that side. (Loading) U can feel them try okwardly attempt or fail to do. try both ways and feel the difference. Helps to do before there is a problem to get the feel. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | drpepper - 2013-12-22 10:08 PM Not wanting to back, will not extend back leg to be cleaned out, cross firing an ducking at the turn that hurts the worst.
Ditto that is same as mine.
Mine also stumbled/fell two days in a row, in the exact same spot, at a big barrel race that had really good ground.
She'd never done that before so I knew something was wrong.
Vet did flex tests and nerve blocks and determined it was her stifle.
Had surgery a few weeks ago and found multiple chips in there.
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | Do stifle injections run about the same price as hock?
Also I have read in a few different places of people runing their horses that have stifle and/or hock issues barefoot on the back. What is everyones take on this? |
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Location: North Dakota | My guy was crossfiring in back during a barrel turn. He also doesn't use his hind end properly and wants to swing it out.
I've only recently found out he had a stifle issue at the end of the season this year. Haven't been able to keep him legged up with the ice and snow, and with moving into a new house (so time consuming!). But I do want to experiment with injections in the spring and see how he responds to it. |
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Location: Oregon | The more people tell me their experiences some things will sound like him and some wont but this isnt a big issue (yet) with my guy BUT my older gaming horse who is retired now really sounds like him.. Does any know how much about injections are? I know they vary but just wondering about how much they run.... |
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Location: OK | That all depends on what medicine you inject with. Sometimes anywhere from $45-$90 a joint. Some vets are higher. It also totally depends on your horse and how hard you use him how long it will last.
My vet will say, go ride him. When you feel him get different, we will know next time to get him in before he starts to hurt.
Not all horses once injected will have to be continuously injected. |
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| If your horse has bad stifles i would not put rims on the horse. around here in virginia we dont usually use rims on back of a horse especially if your horse is a butt dragger. Some on straight in straight horses maybe. Rims cause a lot of torque on hocks and stifles. I dont rodeo so i know they are people that rodeo who use rims all the way around. i just know that this is my opinion and of several farriers. |
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Location: Oregon | jojammer - 2013-12-23 3:41 PM
That all depends on what medicine you inject with. Sometimes anywhere from $45-$90 a joint. Some vets are higher. It also totally depends on your horse and how hard you use him how long it will last.
My vet will say, go ride him. When you feel him get different, we will know next time to get him in before he starts to hurt.
Not all horses once injected will have to be continuously injected.
Thank you for answering :) that helps...
Both of my boys will be getting looked at soon :) |
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| Haven't read through everyone's responses, so this may be a repeat 
From experience, a horse sore in the stifles can be short strided on the the bad side... like not stepping up in the tracks from the front feet. Also, just feeling the stifle joint, putting some pressure with your fingers in the joint can be a tell tale sign. Also, running your fingers (middle finger and thumb at the same time is what I use) over the muscles right behind the stifle on the butt...they will twinge, fall away from you, and/or raise up their leg when you go over this spot if they are sore in the stifle. Hope this helps!  |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | BKC2112 - 2013-12-23 8:33 PM
jojammer - 2013-12-23 3:41 PM
That all depends on what medicine you inject with. Sometimes anywhere from $45-$90 a joint. Some vets are higher. It also totally depends on your horse and how hard you use him how long it will last.
My vet will say, go ride him. When you feel him get different, we will know next time to get him in before he starts to hurt.
Not all horses once injected will have to be continuously injected.
Thank you for answering : ) that helps...
Both of my boys will be getting looked at soon : )
I would pull X-rays 1st. Injections won't help for some stifle issues. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | mreklaw - 2013-12-24 7:09 AM BKC2112 - 2013-12-23 8:33 PM jojammer - 2013-12-23 3:41 PM That all depends on what medicine you inject with. Sometimes anywhere from $45-$90 a joint. Some vets are higher. It also totally depends on your horse and how hard you use him how long it will last. My vet will say, go ride him. When you feel him get different, we will know next time to get him in before he starts to hurt. Not all horses once injected will have to be continuously injected. Thank you for answering : ) that helps... Both of my boys will be getting looked at soon : ) I would pull X-rays 1st. Injections won't help for some stifle issues.
There can be a lot of reasons for stifle problems.
In my mare's case, injecting her would help her for a few weeks. The injections were around $100.
The only thing I could do to fix her was have the chips removed that were floating around in there. Fortunately I was able to get them taken out before they caused a lot of damage to the cartilage.
If I'd left them in there and just kept injecting her, she would have eventually just become more and more lame.
In her case she never really was lame unless the vet flexed her...she just did the things in a run I mentioned earlier like blowing off, slipping on her hind end. She was clocking in the 1D and won and placed at several futurities with these chips in her stifle so sometimes it's pretty subtle and you may not know there's a problem with a horse like her until it's too late.
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Location: Bandera, TX | Outwest - 2013-12-22 11:53 PM drpepper - 2013-12-22 8:08 PM Not wanting to back, will not extend back leg to be cleaned out, cross firing an ducking at the turn that hurts the worst. Do they also walk funny going down hills?
YES! going down some will flat refuse and some will swing their hips to the opposite side to avoid the concussion as they travel up the hill. Now remember hill work is very important for these horses but first get an antinflammatory in them (direct to joint, IMO) to arrest the cycle of pain. Before getting on with your planned rehab. |
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Location: sunny california | for those that inject... how long did it last? |
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Location: Bandera, TX | rockinas - 2013-12-24 8:45 AM mreklaw - 2013-12-24 7:09 AM BKC2112 - 2013-12-23 8:33 PM jojammer - 2013-12-23 3:41 PM That all depends on what medicine you inject with. Sometimes anywhere from $45-$90 a joint. Some vets are higher. It also totally depends on your horse and how hard you use him how long it will last. My vet will say, go ride him. When you feel him get different, we will know next time to get him in before he starts to hurt. Not all horses once injected will have to be continuously injected. Thank you for answering : ) that helps... Both of my boys will be getting looked at soon : ) I would pull X-rays 1st. Injections won't help for some stifle issues.
There can be a lot of reasons for stifle problems.
In my mare's case, injecting her would help her for a few weeks. The injections were around $100.
The only thing I could do to fix her was have the chips removed that were floating around in there. Fortunately I was able to get them taken out before they caused a lot of damage to the cartilage.
If I'd left them in there and just kept injecting her, she would have eventually just become more and more lame.
In her case she never really was lame unless the vet flexed her...she just did the things in a run I mentioned earlier like blowing off, slipping on her hind end. She was clocking in the 1D and won and placed at several futurities with these chips in her stifle so sometimes it's pretty subtle and you may not know there's a problem with a horse like her until it's too late.
I want to add to Amy's comment because it is very revelent in a DX. If they see anything suspect and you have the means let them do a scope of the joint. I've had several race horses that we suspected a lesion via U/S and X-rays, got them in surgery and pulled chips and smoothed articular surfaces-something that the owner was told we need to watch this. Don't delay do what you can to keep them functional. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last?
That all depends on the individuals circumstances. |
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Location: sunny california | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-24 7:23 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? That all depends on the individuals circumstances.
arthroscopic surgery went very well and it healed very nicely. had to blioster/perforate the ligament but can't stop it from catching. aquatred helped some but unless the horse is completely maxed out in fitness he catches. before going to cutting, vet wants to try injections and aquatred. vet is 4 hours away and quatred is 3 1/2 so I don't know how long I can keep this up without even considering the expense |
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Location: North Dakota | kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last?
Mine last about 3-4 months. |
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Location: sunny california | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2013-12-24 7:33 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? Mine last about 3-4 months.
are you using any steroids or just legend? |
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Location: North Dakota | kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:37 AM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2013-12-24 7:33 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? Mine last about 3-4 months.
My vet injects a steroid along with Legend. I would have to check my paperwork to see what he injected since its been over a year since the last time I injected him, however Vetalog comes to mind first. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-24 9:23 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? That all depends on the individuals circumstances.
6-8 weeks when I was running her. I was having legend and vetalog put in.
I was advised by the surgeon to have her injected with Legend 4 weeks post surgery so I just had that done last Friday.
So far so good!
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Location: Oregon | I will be having my old retired guy vetted and xrayed by a new vet ... the last one was not helpful and he is getting worse and worse especially since we have moved to a new barn and the isle ways are concrete :/... I didnt think much about it at first but now i think he is getting way worse because of it... ughh I will also have my other horse vetted when we get him looked at... |
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Location: sunny california | rockinas - 2013-12-24 10:17 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-24 9:23 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? That all depends on the individuals circumstances.
I was advised by the surgeon to have her injected with Legend 4 weeks post surgery so I just had that done last Friday.
So far so good!
ya I did all that along with adequan and platinum cj. the surgery went great and the post op pics look great. Glad you went right in and got the surgery instead of making things worse I look forward to hearing great news about yours!
we just can't get him to quit sticking without him being on the superhorse program and quite frankly he scares the crap outa me when he is that crazy fit LOL |
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Location: Oklahoma | kwanatha - 2013-12-24 4:38 PM
rockinas - 2013-12-24 10:17 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-24 9:23 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? That all depends on the individuals circumstances.
I was advised by the surgeon to have her injected with Legend 4 weeks post surgery so I just had that done last Friday.
So far so good!
we just can't get him to quit sticking without him being on the superhorse program and quite frankly he scares the crap outa me when he is that crazy fit LOL
For catching, I get the ligament blistered internally. It doesn't damage the joint like injecting because it only goes into the ligament and tightens it...not into the joint. Injections don't really help catching....they just help with inflammation caused by catching. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I've had great results with an incline treadmill. I used to have the time to ride day in and day out on the ranch and when I did I never had this issue. (We had lots of hills and fences.) I was going to send the colt I had in training last year to an aquatred. I talked with Jeff Petska and he recommended it over the aquatred (which he has). Again, this is for a horse that has UFP not a bony lesion.
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Location: sunny california | dianeguinn - 2013-12-24 6:27 PM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 4:38 PM rockinas - 2013-12-24 10:17 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-24 9:23 AM kwanatha - 2013-12-24 9:16 AM for those that inject... how long did it last? That all depends on the individuals circumstances.
I was advised by the surgeon to have her injected with Legend 4 weeks post surgery so I just had that done last Friday.
So far so good!
we just can't get him to quit sticking without him being on the superhorse program and quite frankly he scares the crap outa me when he is that crazy fit LOL For catching, I get the ligament blistered internally. It doesn't damage the joint like injecting because it only goes into the ligament and tightens it...not into the joint. Injections don't really help catching....they just help with inflammation caused by catching.
we did that more than once even did perforation of the ligament surgery and it is quite thickened. He just has to be crazy fit or he sticks |
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Location: sunny california | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-24 9:36 PM I've had great results with an incline treadmill. I used to have the time to ride day in and day out on the ranch and when I did I never had this issue. (We had lots of hills and fences.) I was going to send the colt I had in training last year to an aquatred. I talked with Jeff Petska and he recommended it over the aquatred (which he has). Again, this is for a horse that has UFP not a bony lesion.
How funny you posted this. I recently got a screaming deal on an older incline treadmill.It didn't work right and my amazing husband fixed it perfect with $18 in parts LOL
Even though he is the champ at the aquatred, I haven't got him broke to the incline yet. He is too fresh right now as he has been off since first week of August. I put him on it and he was a little nervous. when we turned it on he squatted as he walked LOL I was going to send him back to aquatred to get him fit and get him into the grove of walking on a belt again and use the incline to keep him shape inbetween sessions.
Thanks for your post you give me hope again and on Christmas Day what a gift |
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| I have a incline treadmill,for my stifle mare but in the end she just had a lot wrong with her stifle and my husband was very sick also i just retired her and bred her and now i have a carbon copy with chrome. So if anyone needs a inclinde treadmill, i am in virginia and be willing to,sell it. Another problem i had my barn was not big enough to put my horse in it and turn on. |
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How do you tell? (stifle)