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Location: IL | Can you explain to me what they look like? Ive heard they are pretty scary to witness? Do they somewhat resemble a seizure? One of our horses had an episode today and is now perfectly fine. Eating, drinking, and acting normal. Just wondering what an attack looks like as I'm wondering if that is what occured today. Thanks for your time
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Location: CO | The one I had would start off similar to colic. If it progressed from there he would start getting seizures and his eyes would roll up in his head. His first attack did not happen until he was 9 years old. We managed that horse and he had a very good career. He was HYPP positive/negative |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | For one- is the horse N/H or H/H? Remember, HYPP only comes from Impressive. My gelding's attacks always resembled muscle tremors. HIs third eyelid would also flip up at the time. IF said horse is N/H or H/H, you need to have some karo syrup on hand and possibly talk to your vet about Acetazolamide pills. Limit potassium intake as much as possible- this is key in prevention. This link is from the UC Davis and explains everything you need to know. http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/hypp.php |
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Location: IL | Interesting. The horse that had the episode today is 15 and never had any health problems. He is on alfalfa hay and grass hay. We were out in the barn cleaning stalls and he always starts his "antics" as we call them when he thinks the others are being turned out before him. He'll do little bunny hop rears and buck in place, etc. Well he went to start his antics and all of a sudden he started to turn his head to the side slightly, and started twitching his head. Jaw was tensed and tremors in his neck. I couldnt see if his body had tremors as his winter blanket was on. His back was slightly dropped and it was like his back end was weak while this was happening. However he never went down and was completely aware of his surroundings the whole time. As the twitching subsided he went right back to munching on his hay and acting like his normal self. If you had walked into the barn you never would have known what had just happened to him |
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Location: IL | No the horse has not been tested and is not Impressive bred that we know of. Nothing on his papers and he's a solid Paint but has a lot of QH in him. |
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Location: CO | To the best of my knowledge HYPP only comes from the Impressive line. If your paint doesn't go back to impressive I would think not. Maybe someone knows for sure. |
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Location: IL | Leave3standing - 2013-12-22 8:40 PM To the best of my knowledge HYPP only comes from the Impressive line. If your paint doesn't go back to impressive I would think not. Maybe someone knows for sure.
Well thats what I always thought too. I guess he could have had a partial seizure but I can't think of what could have caused it. He's the picture of health until today.... |
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  Ms. Manners
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Location: Oklahoma | How far back did you go in the pedigree?
It sounds like a vet needs to be involved. If possible, I would put a camera in his stall and monitor him online. You can even record if he has anymore episodes, which would help a vet in diagnoses and coming up with a treatment plan. |
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Location: IL | Morab76 - 2013-12-22 8:55 PM How far back did you go in the pedigree?
It sounds like a vet needs to be involved. If possible, I would put a camera in his stall and monitor him online. You can even record if he has anymore episodes, which would help a vet in diagnoses and coming up with a treatment plan.
We went pretty far back. Thats a good idea about the camera. How would I go about doing that? Is there a certain camera I buy? |
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Location: So. California | The easiest way to find out is to pull some mane/tail hairs and have them tested. http://www.horsetesting.com/Equine.asp $30.00 for HYPP testing. |
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Location: Where ever | Walked by his stall an he was fine went back by 30 mins later he was down an couldn't move an sweating bad. Seemed like it took for ever an 20cc of banamine to finally get him up an moving. At the time we weren't sure that is what was happening, but once at the vet clinic it was confirmed :( |
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Location: IL | drpepper - 2013-12-22 10:12 PM Walked by his stall an he was fine went back by 30 mins later he was down an couldn't move an sweating bad. Seemed like it took for ever an 20cc of banamine to finally get him up an moving. At the time we weren't sure that is what was happening, but once at the vet clinic it was confirmed :(
So sorry drpepper! :( |
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Location: Oklahoma | I am honestly not completely sure :) I watch MareStare quite a bit, and many of those folks have cameras that are connected to a network. I would check out Amazon or start a thread here asking for recommendations. I believe I read a thread on here som time ago about people's experiences with stall cams. |
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| My Appy had 2 at World same thing head tilt stiff bouncing off the stalls he would take a poo then back to normal did bloodwork his liver was a little high but nothing to worry bout changed his feed to Triple Crown Low Starch he has not done it since we been home it was awful to watch I never felt so helpless in my Life he will be 22
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Location: Kentucky | TACKyPaints - 2013-12-22 9:31 PM Interesting. The horse that had the episode today is 15 and never had any health problems. He is on alfalfa hay and grass hay. We were out in the barn cleaning stalls and he always starts his "antics" as we call them when he thinks the others are being turned out before him. He'll do little bunny hop rears and buck in place, etc. Well he went to start his antics and all of a sudden he started to turn his head to the side slightly, and started twitching his head. Jaw was tensed and tremors in his neck. I couldnt see if his body had tremors as his winter blanket was on. His back was slightly dropped and it was like his back end was weak while this was happening. However he never went down and was completely aware of his surroundings the whole time. As the twitching subsided he went right back to munching on his hay and acting like his normal self. If you had walked into the barn you never would have known what had just happened to him
If you suspect an HYPP attack, he needs to be off all alfalfa and limit potassium as much as possible. |
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| I have a horse that start having seizures very similar. Usually while he was eating grain. I took him to the university and had every test under the sun. Even an MRI of his brain. They found nothing. Very frustrating because I spent a ton of money. I stopped feeding him grain and that has helped but not eliminated. Very scary. |
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Location: IL | Morab76 - 2013-12-22 11:35 PM I am honestly not completely sure :) I watch MareStare quite a bit, and many of those folks have cameras that are connected to a network. I would check out Amazon or start a thread here asking for recommendations. I believe I read a thread on here som time ago about people's experiences with stall cams.
I will do some reasearch into those cameras. I've watched a lot of those MareStare webcams myself! Lol Thanks for the suggestion! :) |
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Location: IL | joseyb - 2013-12-23 5:48 AM
My Appy had 2 at World same thing head tilt stiff bouncing off the stalls he would take a poo then back to normal did bloodwork his liver was a little high but nothing to worry bout changed his feed to Triple Crown Low Starch he has not done it since we been home it was awful to watch I never felt so helpless in my Life he will be 22
Oh wow! That would be scary, especially being away from home! :( |
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Location: IL | Murphy - 2013-12-23 7:14 AM
TACKyPaints - 2013-12-22 9:31 PM Interesting. The horse that had the episode today is 15 and never had any health problems. He is on alfalfa hay and grass hay. We were out in the barn cleaning stalls and he always starts his "antics" as we call them when he thinks the others are being turned out before him. He'll do little bunny hop rears and buck in place, etc. Well he went to start his antics and all of a sudden he started to turn his head to the side slightly, and started twitching his head. Jaw was tensed and tremors in his neck. I couldnt see if his body had tremors as his winter blanket was on. His back was slightly dropped and it was like his back end was weak while this was happening. However he never went down and was completely aware of his surroundings the whole time. As the twitching subsided he went right back to munching on his hay and acting like his normal self. If you had walked into the barn you never would have known what had just happened to him
If you suspect an HYPP attack, he needs to be off all alfalfa and limit potassium as much as possible.
I took his alfalfa away immediately and he's been on straight grass hay since. |
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Location: IL | summers - 2013-12-23 7:24 AM
I have a horse that start having seizures very similar. Usually while he was eating grain. I took him to the university and had every test under the sun. Even an MRI of his brain. They found nothing. Very frustrating because I spent a ton of money. I stopped feeding him grain and that has helped but not eliminated. Very scary.
Wow! I hate when the vets or doctors even cant give you the answers you need. Glad takin his grain away has worked! :) |
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| My horse has had several. Vets say seizures are rare in horses. But my horse sounds similar to yours. The frequency of them may increase. |
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Location: IL | summers - 2013-12-23 7:33 AM My horse has had several. Vets say seizures are rare in horses. But my horse sounds similar to yours. The frequency of them may increase.
Im sorry :(. Thats what I read too, tht seizures are rare. I'm hoping this is an isolated incident but I'm going to keep an eye on him. |
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Location: Where ever | TACKyPaints - 2013-12-22 10:28 PM drpepper - 2013-12-22 10:12 PM Walked by his stall an he was fine went back by 30 mins later he was down an couldn't move an sweating bad. Seemed like it took for ever an 20cc of banamine to finally get him up an moving. At the time we weren't sure that is what was happening, but once at the vet clinic it was confirmed :( So sorry drpepper! : (
Thank you happy to report he is 15 an doing good! Had the episode at the age of 7 an never had another one, due to removing all the bad things for him. Yes he is impressive N/H! |
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| HYPP has also been CONFIRMED to come from a Wiescamp mare. (Skipper W) You might check fro any Skipper W horses on the pedigree. |
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Location: California | Horse with EPM would have minor seizures. He would get stiff, he would bare his teeth although they were clenched, arch his neck, and then he would relax and start drooling. |
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Location: IL | Thank you for all your advice and suggestions! :) |
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Location: TX | If the horse isn't Impressive bred then you can rule out hypp. Did you consider him possibly choking? |
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Location: Texas | Honeymoney - 2013-12-23 3:52 PM
HYPP has also been CONFIRMED to come from a Wiescamp mare. (Skipper W) You might check fro any Skipper W horses on the pedigree.
Interesting. I've never heard this before.
Sometimes PSSM symptoms can be similar. Can test through Animal Genetics for about $40. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | When my mare had her attack.. You couldn't
Miss what was happening.. It was the scariest thing I've ever
Seen /dealt with.
Her whole body literally started to tighten up
In different areas it was like the started at her jaw
Then down her neck, etc.. When it got to get stomach / flank
Area it tightened up so much it looked like she had a 6 pack.
Her 3rd eyelid shows she is kind of out of it b/c
I had to grab her halter and shake her and talk to her
To keep her with me and focused.
My mares attack went on for about 10-15 minutes
Until vet could get fluids / calcium into her.
Then 30 minutes later acted like nothing happened.
Alfalfa cubes ( horse treats) triggered hers |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | Have the tail tested at Davis for 35.00 bucks
Well worth the money and peace of mind
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Location: IL | Haven't had any tests done just yet. Traced back his bloodlines and there is nothing to suggest HYPP. Spoke to the vet and described how the "seizure" went down. Seems like in HYPP the horse's muscles begin to "lock down" as my vet said. Everything sort of goes tight, there are muscles spasms, and generally spreads down/through the body?
When I described and discussed things with my vet he said that he doesn't suspect HYPP. He actually thinks it may have been a pinched nerve as this horse has poor back conformation. Vet suspects kissing spine and when this horse went to rear a nerve got pinched.
When the incident happened although his neck had tremors, his jaw was tense, and back end weak he was walking around his stall, kept turning to look towards his back, and was fully aware of his surroundings.
Vet said that I could send in for the HYPP test if it made me feel better but he doesn't think that is what the incident was. Told me to keep an eye on him and let him know if I notice any changes in him or if their is another incident.
So far he is perfectly fine without any changes in behavior. So I may send in for the test just to be sure but I guess now it's just a wait and see type thing. |
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HYPP Attack or Seizure?