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Location: Illinois | Opinions on putting down a horse in good health and young (7) but shown very aggressive bad behavior. She's not 100% sound due to fetlock injury. Since that injury has kicked vet in the face, can't get a bridle on her (will literally knock you down), pinned ears at my daughter, etc... and seems getting worse. Second abscess in 6 months and she tried to strike at me and knock me against the wall so I can't do much. We had to have someone ear her to get a coggins (can't get near her with a needle). At this point I'm considering having her put down vs giving her away as brood mare sound (she's a Haflinger so an Amish home is a possibility but at this point I just want her fine)... Any thoughts??? |
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Location: Midwest | Whiteboy - 2013-12-27 11:30 AM
I'd get rid of her in a heartbeat. I value my life and the life of others too much to keep one like that around.
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if you can give her to the Amish, I would with full disclosure, but I would not hesistate to put one down like that in this economy. The Amish might use her anyway as more than a broodie... but I suppose you never know. |
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Location: My own little world :) | Call me cold hearted but I think maybe putting her down is the best option. In my opinion there are too many good ones to waste your time on the bad ones. My parents are facing a similar issue with one of their horses. He is I think about 12 years old and in my opinion the vet that cut him didn't do a good job and he is proud cut or something like that. He has some front end lameness....some days he running and farting around in the pasture...other days out of the blue he's gimping along. I wired with him for a while and he was just a huge turd. He bit me two times and kind of tried to strike at me a few times. In my opinion it would be best for him to be put down. The only reason we don't is because he is my dad's horse and he likes him even with his interesting behavior and my dad is a big guy so he can handle it. I don't even like to go out in the same pasture as him.
Also, in my opinion a huge amount of influence comes from the mare if you keep them as a broodmare. I for one will not keep a knot head for a broodmare. One of my friends this summer bred a mare because she hated the mare as a saddle horse...this horse was stupid....like slammed its head in the trailer repeatedly until it bled while she was tied up on day. She was also weird on the ground about getting caught and handled. These are habits I don't want to have a new baby exposed to. Anyways...not something I want babies out of.
I know it is a very hard decision to make but I personally feel that we as humans need to be responsible about our horses and if they are going to hurt someone even after we have given them every opportunity to be better then something needs to be done with them. I also look at the happiness of the horse and if she is unsound how much worse will she get and how long do you put her through the pain....or chance sending her to someone else who doesn't care how much pain they are in? |
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Location: Phoenix | If she's not sound and not bred that great, I'd put her down. We had a filly who was SOUND and she had hardly been handled, but had a good life out in the pasture. She kicked out at my dad while he was catching another horse and was very aggressive after that so we put her down. Not worth it to have a dink around. |
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| One last shot before putting her down. There is a medication called chlorpromazine (I think) that is long lasting (3-4) months that some horses do really well on. Its a drug given to human schizophrenics. Might be one last ear down try or I would agree, she is a danger to herself and others and may need to be put down. Just a heads up that to put her down might take another method otrher rhan IV drugs. Ie gunshot. |
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Location: TN | Zanadoo88 - 2013-12-27 11:36 AM
Call me cold hearted but I think maybe putting her down is the best option. In my opinion there are too many good ones to waste your time on the bad ones. My parents are facing a similar issue with one of their horses. He is I think about 12 years old and in my opinion the vet that cut him didn't do a good job and he is proud cut or something like that. He has some front end lameness....some days he running and farting around in the pasture...other days out of the blue he's gimping along. I wired with him for a while and he was just a huge turd. He bit me two times and kind of tried to strike at me a few times. In my opinion it would be best for him to be put down. The only reason we don't is because he is my dad's horse and he likes him even with his interesting behavior and my dad is a big guy so he can handle it. I don't even like to go out in the same pasture as him.
Also, in my opinion a huge amount of influence comes from the mare if you keep them as a broodmare. I for one will not keep a knot head for a broodmare. One of my friends this summer bred a mare because she hated the mare as a saddle horse...this horse was stupid....like slammed its head in the trailer repeatedly until it bled while she was tied up on day. She was also weird on the ground about getting caught and handled. These are habits I don't want to have a new baby exposed to. Anyways...not something I want babies out of.
I know it is a very hard decision to make but I personally feel that we as humans need to be responsible about our horses and if they are going to hurt someone even after we have given them every opportunity to be better then something needs to be done with them. I also look at the happiness of the horse and if she is unsound how much worse will she get and how long do you put her through the pain....or chance sending her to someone else who doesn't care how much pain they are in?
I agree. If she has an attitude like this you wouldn't want her to pass it on to a baby. I've always heard that the Amish can be very hard on a horse (almost to the point of being cruel). I would not want to send one that way if I could help it. Especially if she has an injury and could be in pain.
I would put her down. As hard of a decision as it is to make, it is probably for the best in this situation. There are so many good (and cheap) horses out there, why spend time and money on this one when she puts you and everyone around her at risk of being hurt. I'm sorry for your situation with this mare. I wish you the best. |
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Location: The edge of no where | If she's not sound and that witchy.... I would simply have her put down. I can take that easier than sending one like that down the road not knowing what would happen to her. It probably won't be a nice end. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Had one like this, she would rather run you over then go around, if I pulled a sticker off of her she would pin her ears and try to take my head off, nope not going to put up with this junk, I gave her to my friend that wanted her and hes a hand. I dont ever asked about her. Hes a older guy and dont have any kids around and I have grandkids now. |
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Location: Illinois | Thank you everyone! It's a tough decision and I'm struggling with it even with get attitude. I will add when I say she's not sound.. She's not sound enough to show with scotch bottom shoes at a big show. She's just off enough that in a class of 40 she won't place. She is bred well and I did very well showing her (ladies cart and she was undefeated in halter) before she punctured her fetlock. I had chiro done and it injected last year but she will not hold up with the shoes we show in.
I am struggling with having her pass on anything as a brood mare not sure that she's breeding quality with the personality issues. She came from the Amish and in my opinion acts like a typical Amish raised horse as far as no ground manners etc... |
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| cruisin3 - 2013-12-27 12:00 PM
Thank you everyone! It's a tough decision and I'm struggling with it even with get attitude. I will add when I say she's not sound.. She's not sound enough to show with scotch bottom shoes at a big show. She's just off enough that in a class of 40 she won't place. She is bred well and I did very well showing her (ladies cart and she was undefeated in halter) before she punctured her fetlock. I had chiro done and it injected last year but she will not hold up with the shoes we show in.
I am struggling with having her pass on anything as a brood mare not sure that she's breeding quality with the personality issues. She came from the Amish and in my opinion acts like a typical Amish raised horse as far as no ground manners etc...
What would you be breeding her for, if for barrel racing is she bred well? And ask yourself how are you going to handle the baby when the mare is trying to kill you? |
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Location: Illinois | cheryl makofka - 2013-12-27 12:29 PM cruisin3 - 2013-12-27 12:00 PM Thank you everyone! It's a tough decision and I'm struggling with it even with get attitude. I will add when I say she's not sound.. She's not sound enough to show with scotch bottom shoes at a big show. She's just off enough that in a class of 40 she won't place. She is bred well and I did very well showing her (ladies cart and she was undefeated in halter) before she punctured her fetlock. I had chiro done and it injected last year but she will not hold up with the shoes we show in. I am struggling with having her pass on anything as a brood mare not sure that she's breeding quality with the personality issues. She came from the Amish and in my opinion acts like a typical Amish raised horse as far as no ground manners etc... What would you be breeding her for, if for barrel racing is she bred well? And ask yourself how are you going to handle the baby when the mare is trying to kill you?
Oh no she's a cart mare... We also show hitch horses.. We will not breed her as we do not want any foals. I was just thinking out loud if I really thought she was breeding quality with her personality. |
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| cruisin3 - 2013-12-27 12:35 PM cheryl makofka - 2013-12-27 12:29 PM cruisin3 - 2013-12-27 12:00 PM Thank you everyone! It's a tough decision and I'm struggling with it even with get attitude. I will add when I say she's not sound.. She's not sound enough to show with scotch bottom shoes at a big show. She's just off enough that in a class of 40 she won't place. She is bred well and I did very well showing her (ladies cart and she was undefeated in halter) before she punctured her fetlock. I had chiro done and it injected last year but she will not hold up with the shoes we show in. I am struggling with having her pass on anything as a brood mare not sure that she's breeding quality with the personality issues. She came from the Amish and in my opinion acts like a typical Amish raised horse as far as no ground manners etc... What would you be breeding her for, if for barrel racing is she bred well? And ask yourself how are you going to handle the baby when the mare is trying to kill you?
Oh come on... I wanna see the haflinger barrel pony. Hyah! |
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| If she were mine, I'd put her down. I couldn't live with myself if something were to happen to the future owner (even if they knew). |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | I put one of ours down who I'd found out a few people had sugar-coated the truth, he'd been a dangerous horse so often that all his previous trainers sent him home unwilling to ride him any longer. I'd never send a dangerous horse down the road...the stories do not go with them.
When I got more of the details and he'd hospitalized a well known trainer friend of ours with a closed head brain injury, there was no other option. I think it's shameful that anyone would send a horse like that down the road rather than putting an end to it. When they're bad enough, suck it up and get them euthanized. |
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Location: Texas | I agree with what everyone is saying. We had a young mare come in to be started and handled. She was bred to the nines (Arabian) and looked like a calander horse. After two months of working every day she would still act terrified then wait till you turned your back and flat out attack. The owners and I came to the decision to put her down. When we did it we put her in a stock trailer with one full divider then we swung it backwards so she was essentially in a chute inside the trAiler. Our vet was able to then put in a cath with long enough tubing from out side the trailer and give her the injection that way. When we had 1/4 in she came unhinged and tried to come through the stock slats with teeth bared and feet flying to eAt our vet. He said that was the closest thing he had ever seen with a horse being a predetor. Normally they get sleepy around that point it was like we had given her cocaine. I am so happy no one got hurt and she was taken out of the gene pool. If I could do it all over again I would have shot her instead of injection. It's safer for all involved and when done correctly it's lights on lights off. I would not send any horse with dangerous behavior down the road. I would be more concerned about children getting in her pasture then the person handling her. And who knows she could become even worse with a foal to protect. |
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Location: Cedar Hill, TN | Put her down. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | Nothing wrong at will with putting her down. Esp before she seriously injures (or worse) somebody.
My trainer was put in the hospital (due to a strike in the head) and lost her vision for a while due to a very aggressive horse. She didn't know that she was the 3rd or 4th trainer the owners had called out to work the the horse. Two days after my trainer was hurt, the owners had the horse put down.
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Location: Bandera, TX | cheryl makofka - 2013-12-27 12:29 PM cruisin3 - 2013-12-27 12:00 PM Thank you everyone! It's a tough decision and I'm struggling with it even with get attitude. I will add when I say she's not sound.. She's not sound enough to show with scotch bottom shoes at a big show. She's just off enough that in a class of 40 she won't place. She is bred well and I did very well showing her (ladies cart and she was undefeated in halter) before she punctured her fetlock. I had chiro done and it injected last year but she will not hold up with the shoes we show in. I am struggling with having her pass on anything as a brood mare not sure that she's breeding quality with the personality issues. She came from the Amish and in my opinion acts like a typical Amish raised horse as far as no ground manners etc... What would you be breeding her for, if for barrel racing is she bred well? And ask yourself how are you going to handle the baby when the mare is trying to kill you?
CM, brings an important point up here. I'm rowing the same boat as you. I however, bred my mare. She is a witch and then some. The reason I gave her a second chance: I've never had a 4 year old run a 17.3 on a standard and run the fastest time at her first outing. She was injured at her first show on her third run ever. After that she became terrible to work with. I spent a fortune on MRI's and Scintography. If she is a bad mom I will not put myself nor my husband in danger and she will not take up grass that a respecting horse deserves. It's really odd, as the baby grows in this mare she is mellowing. My "sweet mare" that is a maiden is getting grumpier by the day, horomones... |
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Location: Bandera, TX | FLITASTIC - 2013-12-27 11:44 AM One last shot before putting her down. There is a medication called chlorpromazine (I think) that is long lasting (3-4) months that some horses do really well on. Its a drug given to human schizophrenics. Might be one last ear down try or I would agree, she is a danger to herself and others and may need to be put down. Just a heads up that to put her down might take another method otrher rhan IV drugs. Ie gunshot.
I would much rather put one down with a gunshot than the "shot". They don't shake and suffer for 30 seconds. |
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Location: In a happy place | uno-dos-tres! - 2013-12-28 10:05 AM FLITASTIC - 2013-12-27 11:44 AM One last shot before putting her down. There is a medication called chlorpromazine (I think) that is long lasting (3-4) months that some horses do really well on. Its a drug given to human schizophrenics. Might be one last ear down try or I would agree, she is a danger to herself and others and may need to be put down. Just a heads up that to put her down might take another method otrher rhan IV drugs. Ie gunshot. I would much rather put one down with a gunshot than the "shot". They don't shake and suffer for 30 seconds.
I totally agree with uno-dos-tres. Put her down and be done with it. Sorry if this sounds kras. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2013-12-27 11:57 AM Had one like this, she would rather run you over then go around, if I pulled a sticker off of her she would pin her ears and try to take my head off, nope not going to put up with this junk, I gave her to my friend that wanted her and hes a hand. I dont ever asked about her. Hes a older guy and dont have any kids around and I have grandkids now.
I was telling my friend about this thread that took my mare, and he loves her and they get along good. He knew I was going to get rid of her sooner or later, and offer to buy her, he knows that shes been a super witch but he liked her and wanted to give her a try, so I gave her to him papers and sign transfer. He didnt go into this blindly he all ready knew the mare and her ways, but 3 years later and he still has her. |
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Location: Around here somewhere... | cruisin3 - 2013-12-27 10:21 AM Opinions on putting down a horse in good health and young (7) but shown very aggressive bad behavior. She's not 100% sound due to fetlock injury. Since that injury has kicked vet in the face, can't get a bridle on her (will literally knock you down), pinned ears at my daughter, etc... and seems getting worse. Second abscess in 6 months and she tried to strike at me and knock me against the wall so I can't do much. We had to have someone ear her to get a coggins (can't get near her with a needle). At this point I'm considering having her put down vs giving her away as brood mare sound (she's a Haflinger so an Amish home is a possibility but at this point I just want her fine)... Any thoughts???
I would put her down (based off of the OP, I haven't read any of the other posts). Lame + bad attitude = no good |
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Thorazine is a great drug...so are vitamin B1 crumbles...might be worth a try.. |
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Location: lone star state | A horse with no respect for people...I won't tolerate. Load her up and take her to a sale. Let her b someone else's problem. And if she ends up in mexico well that's a chance u take...if she had respect and manners she would be cared about -cause she sure doesn't care about you! |
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Location: North Dakota | The Amish are awesome horse people. I would give her to them, but let them know she is naughty! |
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I'm sorry, but sometimes being a responsible owner means making the hard calls. Pawning her off would be the easy way out. Not every horse deserves to be saved, JMHO. |
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Location: California | FLITASTIC - 2013-12-27 11:44 AM One last shot before putting her down. There is a medication called chlorpromazine (I think) that is long lasting (3-4) months that some horses do really well on. Its a drug given to human schizophrenics. Might be one last ear down try or I would agree, she is a danger to herself and others and may need to be put down. Just a heads up that to put her down might take another method otrher rhan IV drugs. Ie gunshot.
That drug is fluphenazine not chlorpromazine. |
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Location: waiting for the thaw | Put her down! Only responsible thing to do as an owner. Even with giving her away and being 100% honest on her naughty behaivor, you are still risking someone else. I was faced with same choice this spring. Coyote bait it was... harsh I know. But I sleep better knowing no one got hurt by her! |
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| I have been in these shoes. I had a three year old with pedal osteitis and a bad attitude. Heck, she was down right dangerous. I put her down. And whether you use a gun or a needle is up to you. I've gone both ways, and now that I have, I almost prefer the gunshot. Depending on the person doing it and the calibre you use, it's a lot faster and more humane - not mention cheaper. |
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| I agree about putting her down. As bad as the horse sounds I still hate to think of her ending up in a situation where she gets the mess beat out of her by someone trying to fix her or by someone she has hurt. There are worse things then a quick ending with no suffering. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I say put her down. I know it will be hard even knowing what problems she has but I think it would be best to do that. I couldn't imagine hearing sometime down the line that she hurt or even killed someone maybe even herself! Or that someone hurt her bc of her attitude. Putting her down seems the safest and best option. Hugs and prayers to you while you make this decision!   |
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Location: Qld Australia | I have not read ANYTHING other than your first post and based on that my opinion is RIP.
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