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Location: the high desert | Looking at puchasing a lisa lockhart barrel saddle made by circle y with a flex 2 tree. Anyone have one? Likes and dislikes?
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| I have one it is the wide fit. It is a nice saddle the only thing I don't like about it is the freedom of swing in the stirrups. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Make sure you are able to try one before you buy one. I tried a JBN Circle Y and it was the biggest piece of crap I've ever tried and there are some people on here like them. Seems they are saddles that you love or hate and no in between. I ended up with a Jackie Jatzula and I felt I had gone from a junker to a Cadillac. I can pick it a part but IMO..It rides heads above the JBN. |
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| I have one and absolutely love it! Now if I can just ride like Lisa and my horse runs like Louie i will be all set. Lol! Seriously, I tried at least 10 different saddles on my horse and this was the only one that fit. No break in time, stirrups were pre turned and fit like a glove for me. Horse quit being cinchy, quit pulling back at trailer and went to winning! Still love my Carl Ammerman but this did the trick on my mare and sits well for me too. |
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Location: the high desert | Thanks guys. I think I'm going to buy it. Its at a great price, is the seat size I need and its
In excellent condition. |
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Location: waiting for the thaw | Have 2 of them. LOVE THEM! well made, holding up well. I personally like the freedom to move. I feel really balanced and they have fit every horse I've put it on. (have the wide tree) |
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| No offense NTO, but I have a JBN and first got a Tammy Fisher saddle...........absolutely hated it and I like the JBN.......wonder if you got a lemon, so to speak. Mine has been great and held up great as well. |
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Location: MT | I sure like mine. My MIL tried mine, like it, so she got one. She liked riding her's so much, that she got a 2nd one. She said it was the first time in a long time her knees didn't kill her when she got off and it helped ease some of her back problems when riding. I am not sure what she was riding in before that. I think it is comfy and I feel quite balanced in it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mouse - 2013-12-28 8:04 PM No offense NTO, but I have a JBN and first got a Tammy Fisher saddle...........absolutely hated it and I like the JBN.......wonder if you got a lemon, so to speak. Mine has been great and held up great as well.
Exactly why I posted that some love them and some hate them. LOL
I'm just praying after some time..I will be able to get back into my Caldwell.
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Location: Stillwater, OK | I have one and I really like it. It fits my stocky mare with a long back really well. I bought it for her, and am having problems with her staying sound, so I'm actually selling it. It's a very comfortable saddle and has a super deep seat. It seemed like there was no time needed to break it in. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I'm looking into getting one as well. Glad to see positive feedback, seeing as how the price tag is not small IMO. They seem to have great reviews. My question; I use a billy cook SQHB on my mare. It fits her well, but she muscles up a lot in the summer. Would I be better off going with a wide fit or regular fit?Sorry OP for asking on your thread. ;-) |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Question for those who have the Lockhart saddles..Did you also try the JBN by Circle Y?
If so...what was the difference?
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| ~BINGO~ - 2013-12-31 1:34 PM
I'm looking into getting one as well. Glad to see positive feedback, seeing as how the price tag is not small IMO. They seem to have great reviews. My question; I use a billy cook SQHB on my mare. It fits her well, but she muscles up a lot in the summer. Would I be better off going with a wide fit or regular fit?Sorry OP for asking on your thread. ;-)
If you are using a semi quarter horse bars, any problems with the fit? I would suggest contacting circle y directly as when I spoke to the saddle maker who made Lisa's saddle he said circle y wants you to be happy with the saddle and if it doesn't fit send it back and they will work with you. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-31 1:38 PM
Question for those who have the Lockhart saddles..Did you also try the JBN by Circle Y?
If so...what was the difference?
Never tried a JBN but my understanding this is a treeless where the Lockhart is a flex tree. |
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| Nevertooold - 2013-12-31 2:38 PM
Question for those who have the Lockhart saddles..Did you also try the JBN by Circle Y?
If so...what was the difference?
The difference between the two are the Lockhart is fashioned after the old Circle Y Marlene Eddleman with the flex tree. This is a solid type tree that allows some movement and flex, whereas the JBN is a completely treeless saddle, like a Bob Marshall and the Jackie J's.
I have always riden a Circle Y and have loved everyone but I do have to say that I recently looked at a JBN and did not like the quality. It did appear to be cheaper in the leather quality and seemed like it wasnt put together well.
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Location: Midwest | Nevertooold - 2013-12-31 1:38 PM Question for those who have the Lockhart saddles..Did you also try the JBN by Circle Y?
If so...what was the difference?
The lockhart is a flex tree, JBN is a treeless but has swells.
I had a circle Y flex tree I loved (not that model). Never had any major issues with it, it rode great, but was too wide for my horse.
I also had a JBN that I loved, but it was crooked. They are replacing it with a new one (through the warranty with Circle Y). It always felt "off" on the horse, like the saddle was sitting off center. We measured it, and it was longer on one side. (maybe NTO got one like me?)
I have ridden in other circle y's and never had that issue. I think I just got a bad saddle. Can't wait to get my new one. I loved how the JBN felt otherwise. VERY comfy.
If you ride in a SQHB, you need the "regular" tree. The wide tree is a FQHB. |
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Location: Midwest | LAC - 2013-12-31 2:08 PM Nevertooold - 2013-12-31 2:38 PM Question for those who have the Lockhart saddles..Did you also try the JBN by Circle Y?
If so...what was the difference?
The difference between the two are the Lockhart is fasioned after the old Circle Y Marlene Eddleman with the flex tree. This is a solid type tree that allows some movement and flex, whereas the JBN is a completely treeless saddle, like a Bob Marshall and the Jackie J's. I have always riden a Circle Y and have loved everyone but I do have to say that I recently looked at a JBN and did not like the quality. It did appear to be cheaper in the leather quality and seemed like it wasnt put together well.
The leather on mine was super nice. I liked it a lot (minus the fact it was crooked, LOL)
It actually looked very nice in person. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | cheryl makofka - 2013-12-31 12:02 PM
~BINGO~ - 2013-12-31 1:34 PM
I'm looking into getting one as well. Glad to see positive feedback, seeing as how the price tag is not small IMO. They seem to have great reviews. My question; I use a billy cook SQHB on my mare. It fits her well, but she muscles up a lot in the summer. Would I be better off going with a wide fit or regular fit?Sorry OP for asking on your thread. ;-)
If you are using a semi quarter horse bars, any problems with the fit? I would suggest contacting circle y directly as when I spoke to the saddle maker who made Lisa's saddle he said circle y wants you to be happy with the saddle and if it doesn't fit send it back and they will work with you.
She usually sweats pretty evenly under. Every now and then she will have a dry spot, maybe the size of a golf ball, on either side of her withers. And that's where my concern lies. I know that those are pressure points where its sitting too snugly. But they usually aren't there. My husband FQHB is a tad too large. So were kind of in between....Thank you for the info about contacting circle y directly. |
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| I'm in central Texas & would love to try one on my fat backed mare... |
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| ~BINGO~ - 2013-12-31 2:11 PM
cheryl makofka - 2013-12-31 12:02 PM
~BINGO~ - 2013-12-31 1:34 PM
I'm looking into getting one as well. Glad to see positive feedback, seeing as how the price tag is not small IMO. They seem to have great reviews. My question; I use a billy cook SQHB on my mare. It fits her well, but she muscles up a lot in the summer. Would I be better off going with a wide fit or regular fit?Sorry OP for asking on your thread. ;-)
If you are using a semi quarter horse bars, any problems with the fit? I would suggest contacting circle y directly as when I spoke to the saddle maker who made Lisa's saddle he said circle y wants you to be happy with the saddle and if it doesn't fit send it back and they will work with you. She usually sweats pretty evenly under. Every now and then she will have a dry spot, maybe the size of a golf ball, on either side of her withers. And that's where my concern lies. I know that those are pressure points where its sitting too snugly. But they usually aren't there. My husband FQHB is a tad too large. So were kind of in between....Thank you for the info about contacting circle y directly.
I would try the regular first and from my understanding the regular bars have more flare then the "normal" full quarter horse bars
Full quarter horse bars run around 92-95
The regular Lockhart runs 100
The wide is 120
Just for more info
Circle y kaminski regular is 90
Wide is 110
If you like the Lockhart, what a friend of mine did with her Pozzi's is duct taped shims on the underneath if the saddle to fit her horse, this logic could be applied to any saddle |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barrelracr131 - 2013-12-31 2:08 PM Nevertooold - 2013-12-31 1:38 PM Question for those who have the Lockhart saddles..Did you also try the JBN by Circle Y?
If so...what was the difference?
The lockhart is a flex tree, JBN is a treeless but has swells.
I had a circle Y flex tree I loved (not that model). Never had any major issues with it, it rode great, but was too wide for my horse.
I also had a JBN that I loved, but it was crooked. They are replacing it with a new one (through the warranty with Circle Y). It always felt "off" on the horse, like the saddle was sitting off center. We measured it, and it was longer on one side. (maybe NTO got one like me?)
I have ridden in other circle y's and never had that issue. I think I just got a bad saddle. Can't wait to get my new one. I loved how the JBN felt otherwise. VERY comfy.
If you ride in a SQHB, you need the "regular" tree. The wide tree is a FQHB.
Okay...makes sense now.
Yes...the JBN I had was crooked.
I had tried a Circle Y Marlene years ago and I wasn't thrilled over it but it felt 1000 times better then that JBN.
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Location: Midwest | Comfort wise, I like the circle y JBN. I know the new ones have a few design improvements as well. I am looking forward to getting my replacement.
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| I went out on a limb and bought a JBN …. I heard the good and the bad …. its ok and that's it.
Not thrilled with the quality.
Love the weight (or lack thereof) compared to other saddles.
Riding it makes my back hurt …. not sure if that's a function of it being new and needing break in.
Going to give it a minute or two. May have to break the news to my non-horsey hubby that its not right.
The big stirrups are ugly and don't look right on the saddle.
My horse likes it …. so I'm trying to change things to see if it helps. |
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Location: the high desert | well i bought the Lisa Lockhart barrel saddle. Should arrive next Monday, cant wait for it to get here! |
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Location: USA | Iwish - 2013-12-31 10:57 PM well i bought the Lisa Lockhart barrel saddle. Should arrive next Monday, cant wait for it to get here!
Can't wait to hear what you think of it! I've been debating on whether or not to get one myself. Let us know!! |
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Location: the high desert | well the saddle has arrived...and so far im a tiny bit dissapointed. One fender (the left one) seems to be thinner than the other. Its alot more "boke in" feeling than the other, which is fine, but at the same time it feels thinner to me. This saddle only has 20 rides put on it so i cant imagine that would be caused by the riding in such a short amount of time. I dont know, im just not thrilled with it i guess. Its a nice looking saddle, just doesnt seem to be as nicely made as others. Do flex trees have a weight limit? I know the tree-less saddles do since it pretty much like riding bareback but what about the flex trees.
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Location: the high desert | Im hoping either today or tomorrow i can go try it on my horse to see if it fits. I will update this thread with saddle fit pictures |
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Location: MD | Does circle y have a saddle thats just a "tree less barrel saddle"? Not a lockhart or fischer or JBN? |
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Location: the high desert | isnt the jackie jatzula a tree-less one? |
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| Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different.
I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | mouse - 2013-12-28 8:04 PM No offense NTO, but I have a JBN and first got a Tammy Fisher saddle...........absolutely hated it and I like the JBN.......wonder if you got a lemon, so to speak. Mine has been great and held up great as well.
i agree- I have the JNB bought it 2 years ago and have never had a problem with it, I love it and my horse really likes it....still looks brand new and never had to break it in. I can't understand why spend more money for the same saddle just to have some name endorsement, but to each his/her own. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | azsun - 2014-01-07 1:15 PM Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different. I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though.
I have had horses I couldn't ride in the bob Marshall saddle because they KILLED my SI joint (lower back) in it. Something about how they moved. |
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | azsun - 2014-01-07 1:15 PM Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different. I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though.
if you have ridden the saddle before and never had the sore back why would you think it's the saddle causing it now? I would think it could be something else..... maybe the way you were sitting or you didn't stretch enough before your run. Was your horse sore too? I've found if I'm sore from riding it's because of me, not doing enough warm ups or haven't ridden in a long time. |
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Location: North Dakota | Iwish - 2014-01-07 2:09 AM well the saddle has arrived...and so far im a tiny bit dissapointed. One fender (the left one) seems to be thinner than the other. Its alot more "boke in" feeling than the other, which is fine, but at the same time it feels thinner to me. This saddle only has 20 rides put on it so i cant imagine that would be caused by the riding in such a short amount of time. I dont know, im just not thrilled with it i guess. Its a nice looking saddle, just doesnt seem to be as nicely made as others. Do flex trees have a weight limit? I know the tree-less saddles do since it pretty much like riding bareback but what about the flex trees.
I think the Lockharts are very light weight. I have a Lockhart also. I like riding in mine and it really fits a horse but when I got it I was a bit disappointed at the quality of leather. I think that is Circle Y's fault. I know I've owned Circle Y's before and their leather wasnt like this. |
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| Aqhaczy - 2014-01-07 1:26 PM
azsun - 2014-01-07 1:15 PM Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different. I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though.
if you have ridden the saddle before and never had the sore back why would you think it's the saddle causing it now? I would think it could be something else..... maybe the way you were sitting or you didn't stretch enough before your run. Was your horse sore too? I've found if I'm sore from riding it's because of me, not doing enough warm ups or haven't ridden in a long time.
I've ridden a Tammy before. My horse loved it … held me in the turns, but I couldn't get up out of my seat. Sold it when it became too big. (yay diet).
I'd never ridden in a JBN before this one. I've had the JBN since November my back hurts each time I ride. I run myself and so I stretch regularly … That's what makes me think its the saddle. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-07 1:19 PM
azsun - 2014-01-07 1:15 PM Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different. I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though.
I have had horses I couldn't ride in the bob Marshall saddle because they KILLED my SI joint (lower back) in it. Something about how they moved.
If that's the case … I'm wondering what I can do … my horse loves the treeless. |
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2013-12-28 5:04 PM I have one it is the wide fit. It is a nice saddle the only thing I don't like about it is the freedom of swing in the stirrups.
I've seen other people say this too, and I've really been considering a Lockhart saddle.
What exactly do you mean by it?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | azsun - 2014-01-08 1:46 PM Aqhaczy - 2014-01-07 1:26 PM azsun - 2014-01-07 1:15 PM Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different. I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though. if you have ridden the saddle before and never had the sore back why would you think it's the saddle causing it now? I would think it could be something else..... maybe the way you were sitting or you didn't stretch enough before your run. Was your horse sore too? I've found if I'm sore from riding it's because of me, not doing enough warm ups or haven't ridden in a long time. I've ridden a Tammy before. My horse loved it … held me in the turns, but I couldn't get up out of my seat. Sold it when it became too big. (yay diet ). I'd never ridden in a JBN before this one. I've had the JBN since November my back hurts each time I ride. I run myself and so I stretch regularly … That's what makes me think its the saddle.
Sounds like you would like the Jackie Jatzula as you can get up and out of it. This is what I ended up with. The quality sucks but I haven't seen a quality Circle Y since the 90's. It fits my horse and is comfortable except the fenders are too forward for me but they will have to do and hopefully I will be able to get back in a treed saddle when I get him back in shape. |
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| r_beau - 2014-01-08 2:15 PM
cheryl makofka - 2013-12-28 5:04 PM I have one it is the wide fit. It is a nice saddle the only thing I don't like about it is the freedom of swing in the stirrups.
I've seen other people say this too, and I've really been considering a Lockhart saddle.
What exactly do you mean by it?
Do the stirrups swing freely much like an English saddle stirrup would?
No they don't swing like an English saddle.
It is hard to describe. When I sit for a turn, I can move my feet up near the cinch, when I get up to leave the barrel I can move my stirrups to the back cinch.
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| Nevertooold - 2014-01-08 2:35 PM
azsun - 2014-01-08 1:46 PM Aqhaczy - 2014-01-07 1:26 PM azsun - 2014-01-07 1:15 PM Wondering if Circle y needs to up the quality if one side feels different. I'm probably going to sell my JBN. Ran on Saturday and my back is still hurting … anyone have suggestions. Tried changing the pad … no difference for me … my horse loves the treeless though. if you have ridden the saddle before and never had the sore back why would you think it's the saddle causing it now? I would think it could be something else..... maybe the way you were sitting or you didn't stretch enough before your run. Was your horse sore too? I've found if I'm sore from riding it's because of me, not doing enough warm ups or haven't ridden in a long time. I've ridden a Tammy before. My horse loved it … held me in the turns, but I couldn't get up out of my seat. Sold it when it became too big. (yay diet ). I'd never ridden in a JBN before this one. I've had the JBN since November my back hurts each time I ride. I run myself and so I stretch regularly … That's what makes me think its the saddle.
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2014-01-08 4:17 PM r_beau - 2014-01-08 2:15 PM cheryl makofka - 2013-12-28 5:04 PM I have one it is the wide fit. It is a nice saddle the only thing I don't like about it is the freedom of swing in the stirrups. I've seen other people say this too, and I've really been considering a Lockhart saddle.
What exactly do you mean by it?
Do the stirrups swing freely much like an English saddle stirrup would? No they don't swing like an English saddle. It is hard to describe. When I sit for a turn, I can move my feet up near the cinch, when I get up to leave the barrel I can move my stirrups to the back cinch.
Okay. I think I understand what you are trying to explain.
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