hoofs_in_motion - 2013-12-28 8:42 PM

 Is there a market for them? Looking to eventually breed my grey cowbred mare to a running bred stallion....a few girls I run with love them when they are running on the top and cow on the bottom...just looking to see what other opinions are?

DD2012 - 2013-12-28 8:56 PM Flip the run and the cow and you're golden

BARRELHORSE USA - 2013-12-28 11:58 PM You are dealing with two totally different horses that have specialized conformations ... so don't be surprised at getting less than you expected in speed or turning ability ... very seldom do you get a good mixture of both ... but you get a lop sided type of conformation that prevents horse from doing either ... You cannot build a hotrod out of a Ford Pinto by adding a steering wheel or a big engine ... Someone mentioned this stallion BLAZIN JETOLENA ....>>> http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/blazin+jetolena Study the pedigree and you will see he is only 1/8th cutting bred (12.5%) and 87.5% running bred .... (Poco Lena could be considered the cutting bloodlines)

GoinJettin - 2013-12-29 10:34 AM Totally depends on the horse.  The one I had listed for sale I got one email from my ad on here for her and some local interest from those who have seen her.  I decided not to sell her anyhow. 

Three 4 Luck - 2013-12-29 9:39 AM  I don't think it was her breeding that caused a lack of response. I wouldn't have inquired either,  even tho she is something I would be interested in. 

GoinJettin - 2013-12-29 12:46 PM


Thanks for the feedback.  Out of curiosity was it a bad ad?  Bad video? 

I bought a new horse to show this summer, after riding him some going back to her is like putting on my favorite pair of shoes - familiar and comfortable and definitely worth keeping.

stretch74 - 2013-12-29 10:53 AM So many of the cow bred bloodlines are derivatives of running horse influence to term one "cow" and the other "race" is a relative term. While Doc Bar was bred to run, he did not do it very well. However, some of his son's produced good runners. The most significant horse in the AQHA is Three Bars. The second is Leo. At the 2012 NFR, the winning horses in Barrels, Tie Down, Team Roping, and Bull Dogging were all Leo X Three Bars bred horses of some magnitude. Both were race horses themselves. The old timers used to say you could breed the speed out of a horse, but could not breed it back in...but reviewing results of races often disputes that notion. The most significant modern cow bloodlines descend primarily from these two horses and King P234. Kings sire was a race horse. Stockmen have been nicking Thoroughbred stallions on cowy mares for at least 150 years producing both race and stock handling animals. The Wagonner Ranch attempted to purchase Man O War to no doubt nick on Midnight mares. W.T. Wagonner knew what he was trying to do. Bottom line up front is that there is nothing wrong with breeding a cow bred mare to a race horse. It might not work, but breeding race to race fails just as often. A classic racehorse is one which is bred to run beyond a mile. They have a boat load of slow twitch muscle fiber, which is more efficient in the long haul. Sprinters on the other hand, are bred for 8 furlongs or less, and have a higher concentration of fast twitch fiber. Barrel racers most often pay attention to the latter. Jack Brainard, Bob Loomis, and no less than Bill Dorance all appreciated the influence of certain TB's into their breeding programs though none are associated with racing. It provides hybrid vigor into selective breeding programs. My best advice to anyone is to scrutinize your mare and look for stallions which will address her shortfalls and enhance her strengths in terms of phenotype...physical characteristics. After you have a "short list" consider genotype...breeding. Look for nicks that have proven themselves in the past for other breeders. Pay particular attention the to mares "tail" female line and the Maternal grand sires tail female line. In the end, you are at least making an educated guess, which is about all anyone can do anyway. Remember you are breeding for a short race...less than 220yards, with three periods of acceleration and deceleration. Short backs, low hocks, flat shoulders and fast twitch muscle fiber are the characteristics best suited to the event which relies heavily on quickness. Breeding horses is not easy, but it is fun. In the end, with a colt you designed, you won't know if it worked until you know.