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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I have one those....
every single bit I've put on him, he works well but I can tell he doesn't like. He gapes his mouth at certain times and sometimes acts like he is being gagged!
He has been checked out by 2 different equine dentists several times and this has been going on for awhile.
He really likes the S hack I have him in but he loses A lot of bend and some woah as well. Is there a hack that can help with what he loses in the S hack??
Ived had a horse communicator talk to him before and she even stated that he feels gagged with all his bits lol and he prefers a hack.
Edited because Obviously my phone thinks it knows what it's doing
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Location: ND | I would try a Clampitt hack. They've got a total different feel than most hacks and keep them really soft and bendy.
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Location: PA | I was going to say the same! I love my Clampitt hack!!! |
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Location: MS | I have a mare like this. We were at a Chris Cox clinic and he said that some horses can't tolerate the metal snaps on a metal bit. It irritates them.
I took the snaps off my reins and she's been fine with any bit I've used since. It's been 8 years. |
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| I have a horse like that! Except I don't dare use a hackmore on him because I really don't have enough bend or control with that. I found he worked great in just a really simple 3 piece gag, it's quite similar to a goosetree simplicity but not quite as long of shanks or gag, with all 3 pieces smooth. And if I ran him in poles I'd put a tie down on him for a little more control, not sure if you'd need that though. And surprisingly, he also really liked this bit http://www.cowboycountryclothing.ca/product/dutton-double-twisted-s... but I found the simpler and more basic I tried, the more he liked it. |
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Location: USA | Have you tried a combination bit? The Million Dollar bit works for me but sometimes I think it's might need a longer shank, longer shanks on my horses keeps them for shouldering in with me. |
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Location: Texas! | My gelding LOVES his hack, I tried running him in a bit the other weekend and he gave me the big middle finger and we looked pretty stupid, put his hack back on and ran the fastest time of the day. Needless to say I will no longer run him in a bit! He works fine in a bit at home so we now use a bit for slow work and flat work but run only in his hack. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I am THE WORST bit person! The ones that he seems to really like are the O ring snaffle and the jr cow horse. |
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| I have had the same problem with a mare I run. When I finally switched to a hack she stopped being a handful to warm up to. I use a chain nose hack by Ed and Martha Wright. |
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Location: NC | lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 9:06 PM
I am THE WORST bit person! The ones that he seems to really like are the O ring snaffle and the jr cow horse.
Does he RUN well in the Little S?
I have a gelding who loves to noodle neck & gap his mouth & look rabid at times with a bit in his mouth. Snaffle, Jr Cow, doesn't matter.
I run him in the Little S & he does great.
I work him at home & on slow work in a lifter to keep him supple & working like he should. I have ZERO problems with whoa though. All you have to do is think it & he's stopped. LOL
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Location: SE Louisiana | I'd have the teeth checked by somebody that KNOWS horse teeth... |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | He runs perfect in the little s. He has an extremely good woah but loses some with the hack. He also loses some bend. I can tell he prefers the hack over any bit. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Komet - 2013-12-29 9:22 PM
I'd have the teeth checked by somebody that KNOWS horse teeth...
I've had two different equine dentists out to check him. The one has been doing my horses teeth for 10 years and the other I brought out to check him in case my guy missed something. |
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Location: NC | lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 9:23 PM
He runs perfect in the little s. He has an extremely good woah but loses some with the hack. He also loses some bend. I can tell he prefers the hack over any bit.
Work him at home in something with more lift/whoa/bend. I work mine at home, doing slow work, exhibitioning, and warming up in the lifter bit.
I wait until the last minute & switch out my lifter & split reins for my Little S & one piece reins before I run.
As soon as I'm done, I switch back.
Seems to work well for us. :)
Ty Mitchell has a video on the Josey website & YouTube on bit selection. And it's not just a sale video! Lol. He explains a few different bits and how they work. He also says that if you run in a hack, to work at home in a bit with more lift & bend to it so the horse doesn't become stiff. I run & work in two different bits bc that's what hubby was told to do by Add Waddell years ago for this particular gelding I'm running.
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Location: SE Louisiana | lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 8:24 PM
Komet - 2013-12-29 9:22 PM
I'd have the teeth checked by somebody that KNOWS horse teeth...
I've had two different equine dentists out to check him. The one has been doing my horses teeth for 10 years and the other I brought out to check him in case my guy missed something.
Have you tried a Sweet Iron bit? |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I do slow work in either of the 2 bits I mentioned above. But he acts like he is being gagged |
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Location: Georgia | I have had success with several fussy mouthed horses (after teeth checks of course) with a bit called a peewee bit. It's made by old Macs equine. It has no moving parts inside the mouth but works on the lower jaw for lateral control. I'll try to post a picture. That said, these are horses being retrained not finished barrel horses, I am not by any means an expert barrel racer. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Komet - 2013-12-29 9:28 PM
lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 8:24 PM
Komet - 2013-12-29 9:22 PM
I'd have the teeth checked by somebody that KNOWS horse teeth...
I've had two different equine dentists out to check him. The one has been doing my horses teeth for 10 years and the other I brought out to check him in case my guy missed something.
Have you tried a Sweet Iron bit?
I have not! Picture maybe? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sounds like he might have a thick tongue.
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Location: SE Louisiana | lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 8:32 PM
Komet - 2013-12-29 9:28 PM
lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 8:24 PM
Komet - 2013-12-29 9:22 PM
I'd have the teeth checked by somebody that KNOWS horse teeth...
I've had two different equine dentists out to check him. The one has been doing my horses teeth for 10 years and the other I brought out to check him in case my guy missed something.
Have you tried a Sweet Iron bit?
I have not! Picture maybe?
Copper plaited bit... Try sucking on a penny... You will get the idea.. |
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Location: NC | lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 9:31 PM
I do slow work in either of the 2 bits I mentioned above. But he acts like he is being gagged
Have you tried a chain mouth piece?
I had a gelding for awhile & he seemed to hate every bit we tried. I told hubby to try a chain mouth o-ring combo & he works pretty well in it. |
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Location: Phoenix | What about a ported bit? My horse hates anything across his tongue but loves his ported bits!! He also does better in a hack but sometimes I like a bit and it works for him. |
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Location: Washington | Nevertooold - 2013-12-29 6:33 PM Sounds like he might have a thick tongue.
I agree. Ask your equine dentist the next time he is out. In the mean time, I would think a stiff bit or a hack would be what he would like. It would be great if you posted a video though. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I don't have one and I won't be able to ride for a few days die to weather. I will try and see if I can find anything to resemble it to. |
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| I agree with the thick tounge. My gelding has a thick tounge and eventually had surgery for SPPD. He can not tolerate a bit. It causes him to suck his tounge back and cuts off his air. |
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| I'm not sure where you live but have you tried a Turley hack? I've used it and it gives you more whoa than normal hack, also a little more bend. You can use them with a leather curb for a lighter feel or a chain if you need more whoa. I've know several nice horse that run in this hack. |
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| I'm not sure where you live but have you tried a Turley hack? I've used it and it gives you more whoa than normal hack, also a little more bend. You can use them with a leather curb for a lighter feel or a chain if you need more whoa. I've know several nice horse that run in this hack. |
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| I have a mare with a bit of a crooked jaw, its always been really hard to find something that she will tolerate...
unless i need to tune on her i ride her at home in a halter, she rides better in a halter then she does in a hack...
I'll tune her up with a sweet 6... when we're actually working on something she stays pretty focused and doesn't fuss with it...
and i run her in a goosetree simplicity, she's very light mouthed and I've found it works well with my hands and she doesn't fuss with it at all what so ever, and i tend to get a little handsy with her when she gets on the muscle.
http://www.thetackstop.com/goosesimplicitysmooth.htm |
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Location: Somewhere around here | tnh0315 - 2013-12-30 12:46 AM
I'm not sure where you live but have you tried a Turley hack? I've used it and it gives you more whoa than normal hack, also a little more bend. You can use them with a leather curb for a lighter feel or a chain if you need more whoa. I've know several nice horse that run in this hack.
Turkey hack, never heard of it but I'd love to see a picture of it.
Anyway, he could just be a hack kind of horse. You could just use the S hack for home and practice and switch it to a longer shank hack for competitions? I did that with a horse a few years ago and it worked out so well that I even won a belt buckle on him. |
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| barn goddess - 2013-12-29 9:32 PM Can you tell me what sppd is?
Soft Palate Displacement . What the other poster said about thick tongued horses and surrounding tissue swell or fold against the airway when bitted and exercised. |
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| I run the horse in my profile pic in a hack from l and w. It's like the ladybug but short shank. Still plenty of lift/ bend/ whoa. It has a metal nose but I wrap it with vet wrap. Everything I've put it on loves it. They have a couple different shank lengths. |
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| Komet - 2013-12-29 8:35 PM
lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 8:32 PM
Komet - 2013-12-29 9:28 PM
lexyy12 - 2013-12-29 8:24 PM
Komet - 2013-12-29 9:22 PM
I'd have the teeth checked by somebody that KNOWS horse teeth...
I've had two different equine dentists out to check him. The one has been doing my horses teeth for 10 years and the other I brought out to check him in case my guy missed something.
Have you tried a Sweet Iron bit?
I have not! Picture maybe?
Copper plaited bit... Try sucking on a penny... You will get the idea..
Sweet iron is not copper plated, well at least not the original "true" description.
Early spanish black smiths made these LOW carbon steel bits and the spanish name was hierro or acero dulce, iron or steel respectively, sweet.
Modern day versions just refer to low carbon steel bits. Then can however be made with copper rollers or inlays.
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Location: Deep South | 1paintedjewel - 2013-12-29 7:59 PM
I have a mare like this. We were at a Chris Cox clinic and he said that some horses can't tolerate the metal snaps on a metal bit. It irritates them.
I took the snaps off my reins and she's been fine with any bit I've used since. It's been 8 years.
I'm so glad I read this thread. I think this could solve the minor issue I'm haviving with my 3yo, and I would have never thought of this. |
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Location: Oklahoma | cecollins0811 - 2013-12-30 8:50 AM
tnh0315 - 2013-12-30 12:46 AM
I'm not sure where you live but have you tried a Turley hack? I've used it and it gives you more whoa than normal hack, also a little more bend. You can use them with a leather curb for a lighter feel or a chain if you need more whoa. I've know several nice horse that run in this hack.
Turkey hack, never heard of it but I'd love to see a picture of it.
Anyway, he could just be a hack kind of horse. You could just use the S hack for home and practice and switch it to a longer shank hack for competitions? I did that with a horse a few years ago and it worked out so well that I even won a belt buckle on him.
It's TurLEY, not Turkey. Paul Turley made them. I have one. Real similar to Wright's JD hack, but still a little different. |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Going through this post tomorrow and looking up all the ideas I've been given!! Hopefully I can find something that will help! |
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Location: lexington KY | BamaCanChaser - 2013-12-30 7:23 PM 1paintedjewel - 2013-12-29 7:59 PM I have a mare like this. We were at a Chris Cox clinic and he said that some horses can't tolerate the metal snaps on a metal bit. It irritates them.
I took the snaps off my reins and she's been fine with any bit I've used since. It's been 8 years. I'm so glad I read this thread. I think this could solve the minor issue I'm haviving with my 3yo, and I would have never thought of this.
My horse had the same issue, he also couldn't handle any extra hanging from a curb chain, once I fixed that he was much happier. He also has a small mouth and a lot of bits didnt sit well, he loves a chain mouthpiece. |
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Location: CA | An idea,
It is not the bit, but the hands behind the bit.
Not saying it's so, just sayin.... |
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The horse that hates every bit out there!