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Location: Online | I read some of it and agree with Luke for the most part.
What got on my nerves were how many people who commented think the NFR is going to be on the regular (everyone has it, not "fringe" as some people called it) network. It's NOT!!! It is going to be on CBS Sports Network. Not everyone has it, you have to have one of the more expensive packages on Dish Network to get it. At least Dish would offer GAC free for the month of December just so people who don't normally get it could watch the NFR. Will they do that for CBSSN? Who knows. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rodeomom13 - 2013-12-31 12:22 PM I read some of it and agree with Luke for the most part.
What got on my nerves were how many people who commented think the NFR is going to be on the regular (everyone has it, not "fringe" as some people called it) network. It's NOT!!! It is going to be on CBS Sports Network. Not everyone has it, you have to have one of the more expensive packages on Dish Network to get it. At least Dish would offer GAC free for the month of December just so people who don't normally get it could watch the NFR. Will they do that for CBSSN? Who knows.
You are correct.........I made mention of that fact several times and it still hasn't sunk into some people's heads that you won't get it on REGULAR CBS ...... they "may" show the Final performaance or something like that. AND (from what I have read) the PRCA is PAYING them....how "insane" is that? |
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Location: ND | And those that watch cbssn are much less likely to be interested in rodeo although they may buy wrangler jeans if they happen to watch. And I'm sure cbssn is hoping that more will subscribe to higher plans through their providers which comes back to benefit them. Because I doubt most nfr watchers right now have plans that include cbssn |
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Location: ND | runner - 2013-12-31 1:40 PM Where do you find his comments? I would like to read it.
his FB comment was posted on Spin to Win.... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TXBO - 2013-12-31 5:07 PM I don't FB. What did he say?
~~The "article"
By ALAN SNEL
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL The owner of a TV network that covers Western and cowboy lifestyles is baffled by the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association’s decision to pick CBS Sports Network over his network to broadcast the Las Vegas-based National Finals Rodeo. Patrick Gottsch, founder and chairman of Omaha, Neb.-based RFD-TV, said he offered $1 million to the PRCA for the broadcast rights for the NFR, considered the Super Bowl of rodeos. Gottsch said RFD-TV planned to broadcast 200 hours of PRCA content such as the NFR and other PRCA “Champions Challenge” events to 65 million homes. Instead, the PRCA announced this month that it will pay CBS Sports Network to broadcast 48 hours of the NFR and other Champions rodeo events in 2014 and 2015. The CBS Sports Network’s website said it’s available to 96 million homes, but Gottsch disagreed and said the CBS Sports Network’s reach is 53 million homes. Gottsch learned RFD-TV’s bid was rejected on Dec. 10 when PRCA Commissioner Karl Stressman announced during the 10-day NFR in Las Vegas that CBS Sports would broadcast the prized rodeo event, taking the reins from the Great American Country network. With the PRCA considering moving the NFR from Las Vegas to central Florida in 2015 because of a more lucrative proposal from Osceola County, Gottsch can’t understand why the PRCA would not accept a $1 million-a-year broadcast deal and instead choose a TV deal that requires the PRCA to pay for the event’s broadcast. “We really wanted it. We knew no one was paying (for the rights). It’s so confusing,” Gottsch said. “We were devastated. It was a very curious decision.” During the Dec. 10 NFR news conference, Stressman said the PRCA would be responsible for paying CBS Sports Network to broadcast the NFR and other PRCA Champions Challenge rodeos. He did not specify how much PRCA will have to pay. Former PRCA board member Bob Thain said that when ESPN televised the NFR in past years, the PRCA was responsible for covering the production costs. Gottsch said he spent two years assembling a business plan in hopes of acquiring the NFR broadcast rights. Gottsch said he bought FamilyNet for $40 million in 2012 so that his Rural Media Group company, which includes RFD-TV, could broadcast PRCA events to urban markets in big cities such as Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, New York, Philadelphia and Los Angeles. Then in July, he bought Rural Radio, Channel 80 on SiriusXM, to broadcast rodeo and country lifetsyle programming on the radio. And this month, RFD-TV made its debut at the NFR in Las Vegas and televised six hours of rodeo-related activities such as watch parties, buckle ceremonies and pageants every day. Gottsch said Stressman informed him that Wrangler — a major PRCA sponsor — blocked the RFD-TV bid. Stressman could not be reached for comment. Gottsch said he was also prepared to use his RFD-TV to serve as an unofficial western sports channel to grow rodeo around the country.
~~LUKE's words...........This is mind blowing. I understand that we might not get all the places to watch the nfr. But I have been rodeoing for 14 years now, and to have a network offer 1 million dollars to put it on tv and continue to go the sport I love, is a mind blowing offer not to except. Now I know there's more to just signing a deal. But from this read it sound like a legitimate deal.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Thank you for posting that as I'm not a FB'er either. This is really getting weird. I have no big words to use concerning the NFR except "weird". Carry on. |
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Location: the high desert | so basically the 2014 NFR wont be on tv.... or at most maybe 1 to 2 rounds? Thats a bummer. Something very stupid is going on.. or i mean fishy 
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Location: Dassel MN | ive been following this mess best i can. let me start off by saying one of my goals is not to make it to the thomas and mack and run down that ally (granted it would be awesome! but id be bawling so hard id be so excited LOL) my goal for the NFR is to just be able to see it in person once in my lifetime! for that id be grateful. that said here are my random thoughts and questions.
1. wouldnt keeping with GAC and getting paid that million dollars be worth it? you could add that million into the contestant winnings. to me a million would go a heck of a lot further than paying for tv broadcast.
2. think of your vendors. without them you will not get quite the crowd. people LOVE shopping especially at holiday time. moving the location to a more expensive location to get to, stay at etc is hurting your vendors. It will effect them harshly, they too are trying to make a hard earned dollar, while supporting our sport!! and many of them help our NFR competitors get down the road! Talk about biting the hand that helps feed you.
3. Going back to my goal of someday even just getting to go watch it in person, the cost of going to flordia in december is out of reach for many people. Our sport is now going to be priceing people out of going. Just like the NFL many do not go because its too expensive! look at the ticket prices to a foot ball game. INSANE. without people $$$ will not be made. this effects every aspect of the NFR.
4. NFR in flordia, high cost of hotels and food, traffic, and many would rather not attend disney world. Im not going there to see a mouse on that trip im going to see the NFR and the experience of cowboy christas not mouse christmas lol.
5. ok now take this one with a grain of salt, dont flame me. i realize the competitors spend vast amounts of money getting down the road. Most of them have mulitiple sponsors. That does help off set the costs. Many are million dollar cowboys, they have made over a million dollars. Im sorry but some of these competitiors comments are comming off as pretty greedy. They make dang good money even just for a round win. (granted i dont blame them for wanting more, we all want more) and look at the other pay offs the NFR pays, the brand new truck, the averages, best dressed, etc. there is a LOT of money handed out over 10 rounds! lets be honest here how many times have any one of us made that kind of cash in under a minute in the arena? I see a lot of this as greed, not just from some competitors comments but also on the part of the PRCA. You can not honestly tell me any one of them is starveing to death not able to put food on the table.
6. something stinks in denmark, PRCA i feel is burning some major bridges that will cause a huge dent in our sport. The trickle down effect will hit everyone. i have a feeling this is catering to one persons wants and not the needs of the sport as a whole.
i guess at this point all we can do is see how it plays out, but it makes me sick watching as its destroyed piece by greedy piece
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | sounds like someone (s) is going be getting big $$$$ under the table  . And why the heck would anyone want to go to Florida to see the rodeo in 90% humidity with all those **** alligators. I for one am thoroughly discourage amd sadden by all this. The one event I look forward all year to and it's going down the sewage pipes literally.  |
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| It literally makes no sense at all. It sounds rather suspicious to me and makes me believe that somebody, somewhere, somehow is getting something under the table as has already been mentioned by another poster. As far as any of the normal free-networks choosing to carry all 10 rounds of the NFR, I don't think that would EVER happen. Rodeo does not have the fan base of a broad spectrum demographic group to warrant that many broadcast hours to be dedicated to the NFR, they wouldn't be able to offer their potential sponsors mega-viewership to pay for the cost of broadcasting etc.. Rodeos, for the most part, are watched by people that are already buying the brands. The world we live in now, with all the attention on animal rights etc, is probably not going to catapult rodeo into one of the major fan-based sports anyway. RFD or GAC are the two best places to air the NFR and the decision to pay a network while dismissing a million dollar offer defies common sense and, quite frankly, is a bit of a slap in the face to the ones that are likely to take the best care of the rodeo industry. Perhaps the PRCA needs to find themselves some new leadership because things are not being done in their best interest, or so it seems. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | More and more people I talk to are saying that something hinky is going on. When you are pushing for more money, then you choose to pay a network when another network is willing to give you $1 million for. The PRCA needs all the income it can get. The "business" decisions being made are sketchy at the very least. |
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| runs4fun - 2014-01-01 10:12 AM It literally makes no sense at all. It sounds rather suspicious to me and makes me believe that somebody, somewhere, somehow is getting something under the table as has already been mentioned by another poster. As far as any of the normal free-networks choosing to carry all 10 rounds of the NFR, I don't think that would EVER happen. Rodeo does not have the fan base of a broad spectrum demographic group to warrant that many broadcast hours to be dedicated to the NFR, they wouldn't be able to offer their potential sponsors mega-viewership to pay for the cost of broadcasting etc.. Rodeos, for the most part, are watched by people that are already buying the brands. The world we live in now, with all the attention on animal rights etc, is probably not going to catapult rodeo into one of the major fan-based sports anyway. RFD or GAC are the two best places to air the NFR and the decision to pay a network while dismissing a million dollar offer defies common sense and, quite frankly, is a bit of a slap in the face to the ones that are likely to take the best care of the rodeo industry. Perhaps the PRCA needs to find themselves some new leadership because things are not being done in their best interest, or so it seems.
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| rachellyn80 posted on another thread that Jeff Medders assured her there would be the same amount of coverage on the CBS sports network as there was on GAC. She said his production company produces the NFR telecast......Geronimo Productions. All of you on facebook and Twitter need to send him a message to see if he can still guarantee the coverage. I don't have Facebook or Twitter. |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-01 10:18 AM
More and more people I talk to are saying that something hinky is going on. When you are pushing for more money, then you choose to pay a network when another network is willing to give you $1 million for. The PRCA needs all the income it can get. The "business" decisions being made are sketchy at the very least.
True, but if Wrangler is the reason the deal with RFDTV was nixed and threatened to pull their sponsorships, could be Wrangler is worth more than the potential loss of the income from RFD plus the cost to pay CBS Sports. However, until the PRCA is up front and honest about their business dealings, won't know the true reasons and people will just get more suspicious. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | MO gal - 2014-01-01 10:39 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-01 10:18 AM More and more people I talk to are saying that something hinky is going on. When you are pushing for more money, then you choose to pay a network when another network is willing to give you $1 million for. The PRCA needs all the income it can get. The "business" decisions being made are sketchy at the very least. True, but if Wrangler is the reason the deal with RFDTV was nixed and threatened to pull their sponsorships, could be Wrangler is worth more than the potential loss of the income from RFD plus the cost to pay CBS Sports. However, until the PRCA is up front and honest about their business dealings, won't know the true reasons and people will just get more suspicious.
I cannot fathom why Wrangler would nix any deal with RFDTV. It just doesn't make any sense. The majority of people watching RFD would be Wrangler buyers!?! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | sodapop - 2014-01-01 10:38 AM rachellyn80 posted on another thread that Jeff Medders assured her there would be the same amount of coverage on the CBS sports network as there was on GAC. She said his production company produces the NFR telecast......Geronimo Productions. All of you on facebook and Twitter need to send him a message to see if he can still guarantee the coverage. I don't have Facebook or Twitter.
The question that I would have ....yes....they are "alloting" Jeff Meadors the same amount of time SLOT........BUT how much of that time slot will be taken away for COMMERCIALS....just like ESPN did......
I really think the head of the PRCA being a past marketing director for Wrangler is a BIG "conflict of interest"....anyone want to bet he is getting paid by Wrangler???? |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | MO gal - 2014-01-01 10:39 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-01 10:18 AM More and more people I talk to are saying that something hinky is going on. When you are pushing for more money, then you choose to pay a network when another network is willing to give you $1 million for. The PRCA needs all the income it can get. The "business" decisions being made are sketchy at the very least. True, but if Wrangler is the reason the deal with RFDTV was nixed and threatened to pull their sponsorships, could be Wrangler is worth more than the potential loss of the income from RFD plus the cost to pay CBS Sports. However, until the PRCA is up front and honest about their business dealings, won't know the true reasons and people will just get more suspicious.
You are probably on to something here.....Especially with what happened with the Colorado Springs PPOB rodeo having a Cinch poster hanging at the arena. The rodeo is open this year, not PRCA. |
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| Well, CBS Sports is being paid for 48 hours total for the year. The NFR on GAC is 40 hours (including commercials). What does that tell you of available time especially if they will be televising other events? Hopefully when/if all the information comes out, it will make more sense.
I don't rodeo, but I am definitely a consumer of the events being televised. I paid for GAC all year just for the NFR, and have liked their coverage (except wish they had better commentators for barrel racing, but that is an old story LOL).
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TXBO - 2013-12-31 5:07 PM I don't FB. What did he say?
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| Wow! I used to think Karl Stressman was a straight up guy, but this looks really bad. He needs to explain this and quickly! And if Im not mistaken Karl was at Wrangler before coming to the PRCA. This thing with RFDtv makes it look like somebody (Karl) is getting money under the table.... |
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-01-01 10:44 AM MO gal - 2014-01-01 10:39 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-01 10:18 AM More and more people I talk to are saying that something hinky is going on. When you are pushing for more money, then you choose to pay a network when another network is willing to give you $1 million for. The PRCA needs all the income it can get. The "business" decisions being made are sketchy at the very least. True, but if Wrangler is the reason the deal with RFDTV was nixed and threatened to pull their sponsorships, could be Wrangler is worth more than the potential loss of the income from RFD plus the cost to pay CBS Sports. However, until the PRCA is up front and honest about their business dealings, won't know the true reasons and people will just get more suspicious.
One article stated that the reach of RFD was around 55 million homes vs CBSSN of around 95 million. The amount Wrangler is willing to pay for sponsorship should vary directly equivalent to the reach. |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 12:35 PM TXBO - 2013-12-31 5:07 PM I don't FB. What did he say? Get up to speed...LOL
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Location: oklahoma | I agree with everyone! I think it will not be good for it to be moved to CBS sports network!
But as for them not allowing RFD to get the rights.....has anyone considered that the PRCA may be trying to get back at RFD for "The American"
A non sanctioned rodeo that attracts all the top PRCA contestants and pays possibly a MILLION dollars! (JMO) |
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Location: hot, humid and dry...Gulf coast East of Houston.. | Im wondering, if this deal is made, and PRCA moves to Florida, if LVE, RFD, and The American will team up with the other big rodeos that arent PRCA. If thats the case, then we would get to see a lot more televised rodeos, and LVE could have an All American finals. I believe that that would be the demise of PRCA, because the top competetors would migrate where more money is to be made. If they can attend fewer rodeos, and make just as much money, or even more, than chasing the Prca rodeos, I think they would go that route. My thoughts anyway. It would be a win for them, as well as an added treat for their fans to be able to see more of the rodeos they compete in. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | TXBO - 2014-01-01 1:38 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 12:35 PM TXBO - 2013-12-31 5:07 PM I don't FB. What did he say? Get up to speed...LOL
Your one up on me. I don't twitter and I don't FB. I'm not sure I could figure it out. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | shellyh1971 - 2014-01-01 6:34 PM Im wondering, if this deal is made, and PRCA moves to Florida, if LVE, RFD, and The American will team up with the other big rodeos that arent PRCA. If thats the case, then we would get to see a lot more televised rodeos, and LVE could have an All American finals. I believe that that would be the demise of PRCA, because the top competetors would migrate where more money is to be made. If they can attend fewer rodeos, and make just as much money, or even more, than chasing the Prca rodeos, I think they would go that route. My thoughts anyway. It would be a win for them, as well as an added treat for their fans to be able to see more of the rodeos they compete in.
That is certainly what happened when the PBR started.....PRCA bull riders left in droves to win bigger pay-outs and less traveling. I can see that happening if the "American" is successful this year. |
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| All of the turmoil that has risen about the rodeo has really changed my mind about purchasing Wrangler products. I was going to buy some jeans, but couldn't bring myself to pay for them since they are behind some of these unwanted changes. I can't imagine the rodeo leaving Vegas and I can't stand the idea of not allowing GAC to continue the coverage of the rodeo. It has been fantastic since they have taken over. |
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Location: Texas | TXBO - 2014-01-01 1:37 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-01 10:44 AM MO gal - 2014-01-01 10:39 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-01 10:18 AM More and more people I talk to are saying that something hinky is going on. When you are pushing for more money, then you choose to pay a network when another network is willing to give you $1 million for. The PRCA needs all the income it can get. The "business" decisions being made are sketchy at the very least. True, but if Wrangler is the reason the deal with RFDTV was nixed and threatened to pull their sponsorships, could be Wrangler is worth more than the potential loss of the income from RFD plus the cost to pay CBS Sports. However, until the PRCA is up front and honest about their business dealings, won't know the true reasons and people will just get more suspicious.
RFD has a specific audience that, more than likely are already customers compared to 90 million (or even the 50 million) that are probably not Wrangler customers. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-01 6:50 PM TXBO - 2014-01-01 1:38 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 12:35 PM TXBO - 2013-12-31 5:07 PM I don't FB. What did he say? Get up to speed...LOL
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation. |
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Location: Texas! | Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 7:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation.
I agree, I think when Cinch came about Wrangler took a hit with the cowboys and now with all the other jeans that are out and popular I don't see many people wearing wrangler anymore. |
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Location: ND | WYOracer - 2014-01-01 9:25 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 7:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation. I agree, I think when Cinch came about Wrangler took a hit with the cowboys and now with all the other jeans that are out and popular I don't see many people wearing wrangler anymore.
i was never much for wrangler in the first place.....levi.......and cinch....carhart is better than any of them as far as for work.... |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 8:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation.
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Location: The edge of no where | whirlaway - 2014-01-01 9:14 AM ive been following this mess best i can. let me start off by saying one of my goals is not to make it to the thomas and mack and run down that ally (granted it would be awesome! but id be bawling so hard id be so excited LOL) my goal for the NFR is to just be able to see it in person once in my lifetime! for that id be grateful. that said here are my random thoughts and questions.
1. wouldnt keeping with GAC and getting paid that million dollars be worth it? you could add that million into the contestant winnings. to me a million would go a heck of a lot further than paying for tv broadcast.
2. think of your vendors. without them you will not get quite the crowd. people LOVE shopping especially at holiday time. moving the location to a more expensive location to get to, stay at etc is hurting your vendors. It will effect them harshly, they too are trying to make a hard earned dollar, while supporting our sport!! and many of them help our NFR competitors get down the road! Talk about biting the hand that helps feed you.
3. Going back to my goal of someday even just getting to go watch it in person, the cost of going to flordia in december is out of reach for many people. Our sport is now going to be priceing people out of going. Just like the NFL many do not go because its too expensive! look at the ticket prices to a foot ball game. INSANE. without people $$$ will not be made. this effects every aspect of the NFR.
4. NFR in flordia, high cost of hotels and food, traffic, and many would rather not attend disney world. Im not going there to see a mouse on that trip im going to see the NFR and the experience of cowboy christas not mouse christmas lol.
5. ok now take this one with a grain of salt, dont flame me. i realize the competitors spend vast amounts of money getting down the road. Most of them have mulitiple sponsors. That does help off set the costs. Many are million dollar cowboys, they have made over a million dollars. Im sorry but some of these competitiors comments are comming off as pretty greedy. They make dang good money even just for a round win. (granted i dont blame them for wanting more, we all want more) and look at the other pay offs the NFR pays, the brand new truck, the averages, best dressed, etc. there is a LOT of money handed out over 10 rounds! lets be honest here how many times have any one of us made that kind of cash in under a minute in the arena? I see a lot of this as greed, not just from some competitors comments but also on the part of the PRCA. You can not honestly tell me any one of them is starveing to death not able to put food on the table.
6. something stinks in denmark, PRCA i feel is burning some major bridges that will cause a huge dent in our sport. The trickle down effect will hit everyone. i have a feeling this is catering to one persons wants and not the needs of the sport as a whole.
i guess at this point all we can do is see how it plays out, but it makes me sick watching as its destroyed piece by greedy piece I'm not sure you've really got a 'feel' for what it costs to go down the road. Most of the competitors that make the finals are either in the hole or breaking even when they get there. The NFR is the time they make some money for the year. It kinda boggles my mind that you think they are being 'greedy' for wanting the payout to increase. Good grief, these are the elite of our sport. Why should they not make more money? Look at what rodeo pays out in comparison to any other professional sport. There is no retirement plan, they don't get paid if they don't win. I don't understand how anyone that is really a fan of rodeo could possibly not want the best for the competitors.
I've been to Vegas during the finals many times. You haven't spent the money to go to Vegas, why complain that now you won't be able to afford to go (you weren't going to begin with)? The tickets at the T&M are not cheap. It's expensive to even sit in the nosebleed section IF you can get tickets in the first place.
If the NFR moves, the cowboy christmas will follow. There's nothing about it that is Vegas specific. It's just a great big room full of tons of vendors.
Everyone has their panties in a wad... OMG the finals won't be the same if not in Vegas. Same bullchit crap that went on when it moved from OKC. Change is occasionally needed to better the sport. NO one has said the NFR is moving to FL or that it is leaving Vegas. The PRCA turned down the initial offer from Vegas and is accepting bids from other venues. IMO Vegas low balled their first offer because they expected the cowboys to rollover and accept it. In business that's a very novice move. The NFR brings more revenue to Vegas than any other event. Why not be mad at the committee that put together a low ball offer instead of saying the cowboys are greedy? They will make another offer, they aren't going to let the NFR go that easily.
(The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors voted Dec. 15 to reject the terms of the current financial offer from Las Vegas Events to extend the WNFR contract past 2014. The PRCA Board did not vote to leave Las Vegas; the vote was made strictly on the content of the current offer. The PRCA continues to carefully consider offers from all potential WNFR hosts.)
Most sponsors are simply products, on the ones that do get some $$$, it's not enough to make a dent in the fuel bill. Some companies will give a bonus for making the NFR....but again, it's not much in comparison to what is spent. In relation the number of competitors, there are few that have passed the million dollar mark. Would you come on here and say a football player or baseball player is a sorry greedy sob for making a million?
I'm not flaming you...but you've got a very uneducated view about what it takes for a competitor to get to Vegas. Before you go to bashing the cowboys and calling them greedy, make sure you have the full picture.
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Location: Texas | MS2011 - 2014-01-02 9:08 AM whirlaway - 2014-01-01 9:14 AM ive been following this mess best i can. let me start off by saying one of my goals is not to make it to the thomas and mack and run down that ally (granted it would be awesome! but id be bawling so hard id be so excited LOL) my goal for the NFR is to just be able to see it in person once in my lifetime! for that id be grateful. that said here are my random thoughts and questions.
1. wouldnt keeping with GAC and getting paid that million dollars be worth it? you could add that million into the contestant winnings. to me a million would go a heck of a lot further than paying for tv broadcast.
2. think of your vendors. without them you will not get quite the crowd. people LOVE shopping especially at holiday time. moving the location to a more expensive location to get to, stay at etc is hurting your vendors. It will effect them harshly, they too are trying to make a hard earned dollar, while supporting our sport!! and many of them help our NFR competitors get down the road! Talk about biting the hand that helps feed you.
3. Going back to my goal of someday even just getting to go watch it in person, the cost of going to flordia in december is out of reach for many people. Our sport is now going to be priceing people out of going. Just like the NFL many do not go because its too expensive! look at the ticket prices to a foot ball game. INSANE. without people $$$ will not be made. this effects every aspect of the NFR.
4. NFR in flordia, high cost of hotels and food, traffic, and many would rather not attend disney world. Im not going there to see a mouse on that trip im going to see the NFR and the experience of cowboy christas not mouse christmas lol.
5. ok now take this one with a grain of salt, dont flame me. i realize the competitors spend vast amounts of money getting down the road. Most of them have mulitiple sponsors. That does help off set the costs. Many are million dollar cowboys, they have made over a million dollars. Im sorry but some of these competitiors comments are comming off as pretty greedy. They make dang good money even just for a round win. (granted i dont blame them for wanting more, we all want more) and look at the other pay offs the NFR pays, the brand new truck, the averages, best dressed, etc. there is a LOT of money handed out over 10 rounds! lets be honest here how many times have any one of us made that kind of cash in under a minute in the arena? I see a lot of this as greed, not just from some competitors comments but also on the part of the PRCA. You can not honestly tell me any one of them is starveing to death not able to put food on the table.
6. something stinks in denmark, PRCA i feel is burning some major bridges that will cause a huge dent in our sport. The trickle down effect will hit everyone. i have a feeling this is catering to one persons wants and not the needs of the sport as a whole.
i guess at this point all we can do is see how it plays out, but it makes me sick watching as its destroyed piece by greedy piece I'm not sure you've really got a 'feel' for what it costs to go down the road. Most of the competitors that make the finals are either in the hole or breaking even when they get there. The NFR is the time they make some money for the year. It kinda boggles my mind that you think they are being 'greedy' for wanting the payout to increase. Good grief, these are the elite of our sport. Why should they not make more money? Look at what rodeo pays out in comparison to any other professional sport. There is no retirement plan, they don't get paid if they don't win. I don't understand how anyone that is really a fan of rodeo could possibly not want the best for the competitors.
I've been to Vegas during the finals many times. You haven't spent the money to go to Vegas, why complain that now you won't be able to afford to go (you weren't going to begin with)? The tickets at the T&M are not cheap. It's expensive to even sit in the nosebleed section IF you can get tickets in the first place.
If the NFR moves, the cowboy christmas will follow. There's nothing about it that is Vegas specific. It's just a great big room full of tons of vendors.
Everyone has their panties in a wad... OMG the finals won't be the same if not in Vegas. Same bullchit crap that went on when it moved from OKC. Change is occasionally needed to better the sport. NO one has said the NFR is moving to FL or that it is leaving Vegas. The PRCA turned down the initial offer from Vegas and is accepting bids from other venues. IMO Vegas low balled their first offer because they expected the cowboys to rollover and accept it. In business that's a very novice move. The NFR brings more revenue to Vegas than any other event. Why not be mad at the committee that put together a low ball offer instead of saying the cowboys are greedy? They will make another offer, they aren't going to let the NFR go that easily.
(The Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association Board of Directors voted Dec. 15 to reject the terms of the current financial offer from Las Vegas Events to extend the WNFR contract past 2014. The PRCA Board did not vote to leave Las Vegas; the vote was made strictly on the content of the current offer. The PRCA continues to carefully consider offers from all potential WNFR hosts.)
Most sponsors are simply products, on the ones that do get some $$$, it's not enough to make a dent in the fuel bill. Some companies will give a bonus for making the NFR....but again, it's not much in comparison to what is spent. In relation the number of competitors, there are few that have passed the million dollar mark. Would you come on here and say a football player or baseball player is a sorry greedy sob for making a million?
I'm not flaming you...but you've got a very uneducated view about what it takes for a competitor to get to Vegas. Before you go to bashing the cowboys and calling them greedy, make sure you have the full picture.
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| After winning the world one year, Kristie Peterson made the comment she didn't even have enough money left to buy herself a new dress to wear to the NFR awards presentation. Things in the PRCA/WPRA have not changed much in 20 years. I agree with those commenting that even the top cowboys are probably more close to broke, than doing financially well. Those nice rigs they drive are often much nicer than the homes they live in, unless daddy, husband, or some other PERSON is footing the bill. Sponsorships just help soften the major expenses in going down the road. Just the gasoline bills these contestants have to pay would put most people into bankruptcy. I honestly can't understand how rodeo has survived this long. Contestants are putting themselves in financial jeopardy when they make the commitment to really haul. I don't know if ANYONE really prospers significantly from professional rodeo. It's just a lifestyle that many won't give up, and the PRCA is doing what they can to keep their heads above water in tough financial times. I have to agree that the contestants are NOT being greedy. They are trying to survive! The PRCA MUST increase the $$$$ into the contestants pockets if it is available. I'm afraid that may be the problem. Rodeo is not that marketable in the large scheme of things. But time will tell, it always does... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | bingo - 2014-01-02 11:15 AM PRCA is doing what they can to keep their heads above water in tough financial times. I would like to address this statement.....If you think the PRCA is doing everything it can to put money in the contestant's pockets then why are they p*ffing off and losing many BIG money rodeos?
AND back to the premise of THIS thread (regardless of where they hold the Finals)....turning down ONE MILLION $$$ to PAY for TV coverage......PRCA isn't just about the Top 15 either.....they need to work for bigger payouts ALL year long....
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Location: The edge of no where | NJJ - 2014-01-02 11:51 AM bingo - 2014-01-02 11:15 AM PRCA is doing what they can to keep their heads above water in tough financial times. I would like to address this statement.....If you think the PRCA is doing everything it can to put money in the contestant's pockets then why are they p*ffing off and losing many BIG money rodeos?
AND back to the premise of THIS thread (regardless of where they hold the Finals)....turning down ONE MILLION $$$ to PAY for TV coverage......PRCA isn't just about the Top 15 either.....they need to work for bigger payouts ALL year long....
I don't get the deal with RFDTV, somehow I think there is more to the story than we're hearing. I would love to see if on RFD, thought GAC did an excellent job.. Paying CBS sports makes me cringe. There's got to be more to it.
Correct me if I'm wrong..but I'm pretty sure that the local rodeo committees are in charge of raising funds for added money at most of the rodeos. It's a tough job. |
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Location: North Dakota | I liked the NFR being on GAC, it just fits the industry better! It is business in the end though! |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | bocephus's mama - 2014-01-02 8:25 AM Nevertooold - 2014-01-01 8:08 PM I would say that non horse people wear more Wrangler clothing then do horse people. I know our western store in town quit carrying Wranglers because Walmart and Academy carry them and they can't compete with their prices. I see more of our younger clients that are wearing Cinch jeans and seems that the older generation of cowboy's wear Wranglers. Just an observation. Do you live in a rural area? I don't. I don't see Wranglers outside the horse community EVER.
We live 45 miles NW of San Antonio. You can find Wranglers at all the Western Stores and Academy Stores. I don't shop at much of the other stores. The VF Factory Outlet, not far out of Austin, carries all kinds of Wrangler brand clothes. |
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