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 Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | I have an Appaloosa that has a nice set of papers on but sadly because he's an app, hes becoming a hard sell. His sire is said to be one of the most influential Appaloosa sires of all time, that being said once a lot of the foals came off the track the sires owner at the time pushed a lot of the foals towards English displines to show the versitility that even though they have speed they can excel in more refined events. The problem is I do not ride English or do I know how to market him, as Im not having much luck with how I am marketing him now. I know people looking for an App, same with paints, qh's etc will pay for certain bloodlines and I am just lost.. best sites or someone to help? Sorry if this is not allowed, Im trying to be vague? |
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 Bulls Eye
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Location: Oklahoma | do you know anyone who can ride him under english tack? I've had the best luck on dreamhorse selling my english horses. A video of him trotting and moving out is always a nice touch so they can see how he moves. |
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Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | TwistedK - 2013-12-31 4:19 PM do you know anyone who can ride him under english tack? I've had the best luck on dreamhorse selling my english horses. A video of him trotting and moving out is always a nice touch so they can see how he moves.
I don't think I even know anyone who has English tack? I bought him as a barrel prospect but think he would make a nice all around but watching him move in the pasture I can see why a lot of the studs foals went English..
Here's one of them.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Man-O-Love-ApHC-Stallion/111622102193442 |
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | In order to market him you need to work him english and video his gaits etc.. market him as a prospect and also allaround if he can do western.. try local 4H, Amatuar hunters, etc..or you can lunge him to show off his gaits etc.. but price accordingly.. Bloodlines for Appaloosas arent the bigggest thing when trying to sell. its his disposition and gaits and carriage.. for AM. and local 4H. |
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 Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | if you can get a video of him trotting freely around a round pen, showing his extended trot, canter etc, you may have some luck. There are a lot of facebook sites for english horses and also Dreamhorse has a lot of english horses. |
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 The Vaccinator
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | I show ApHC and show all-around (which means I also show Hunter under Saddle). I recommend you clean him up, i.e. groom him nicely, and prepare a video showing him walking, trotting and cantering each direction on a line or in a round pen; and under saddle (western is okay). We HUS riders are interested in their movement. You do not have to show them off under a flat saddle to show their movement. We want to see the movement and how he carries himself -- and his conformation. Be sure to do the video in good lighting. Also walk around him showing his legs and hooves so the prospective buy can see if he is clean-legged and has good feet. Advertise him on dreamhorse and also myhorseforsale . There are also Face Book pages (Appaloosas for Sale) that you may want to list him and post the video. A GOOD video is a must to show movement. Be sure to measure him getting his exact height -- he needs to be AT LEAST 16 hands to go into the HUS market. Good luck! |
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 Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | You've gotten some great info and ideas.
If you could get him into a couple of local shows and even an App show or two that would help. If he's solid - no bucking, etc -- I'd contact a 4H or Pony Club trainer in your area and see if they have any students willing to ride him for you a shows and for the video. I judge a good number of open shows and the 4H trainers around here always have students they're trying to step up or find a horse for. They're one of the best resources for selling pleasure type horses.
One thing that I will say is that a lot of pleasure people will shy away from a horse that has been ridden or trained by a barrel racer. So I would let the horse speak for itself first. |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Fairweather - 2013-12-31 7:31 PM You've gotten some great info and ideas.
If you could get him into a couple of local shows and even an App show or two that would help. If he's solid - no bucking, etc -- I'd contact a 4H or Pony Club trainer in your area and see if they have any students willing to ride him for you a shows and for the video. I judge a good number of open shows and the 4H trainers around here always have students they're trying to step up or find a horse for. They're one of the best resources for selling pleasure type horses.
One thing that I will say is that a lot of pleasure people will shy away from a horse that has been ridden or trained by a barrel racer. So I would let the horse speak for itself first.
thats the market id go after for him.. might have better luck..good luck.. |
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The Vaccinator
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | If this is a "pretty" horse with good conformation AND a good natural head set (i.e. naturally carries his head level) ... a good mover, quiet, and broke, he would be in demand in the ApHC world. There is a shortage of nice geldings. I'd sure get him marketed to the show folks.
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 Northern Chocolate Queen
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Location: ND | Shoot me some info on him.....The gal I bought Cash from is VERY involved in the App show world, while she focuses on western horses she may know of someone looking. |
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Banjo and Baby
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Location: South of Canada and North of Mexico | Thanks everyone. I know I Love Willie was 16.3 and I think mine is maybe 15.3 :( I don't know for sure but because of where I live Im pretty sure there are no breed shows anywhere close, at least not anytime soon. I have listed him on the app fb sites, but as a barrel horse/prospect. He hasnt really been entered and havent gotten much interest in him, and the interest I have are the people saying he's an app (this is even coming from "app people") and I know someone who bought a 1d hs rodeo horse thats aqha for 2K etc so yours is worth less.. I know my market is way less than say if he was a qh but I know there still is a market for him, just got to find it. Once it warms up (-22 airtemp!) I'll haul him to an indoor and try to get a nice video of him. Thanks for all the help guys!! |
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | watchpeppydoc - 2013-12-31 6:31 PM Thanks everyone. I know I Love Willie was 16.3 and I think mine is maybe 15.3 :( I don't know for sure but because of where I live Im pretty sure there are no breed shows anywhere close, at least not anytime soon. I have listed him on the app fb sites, but as a barrel horse/prospect. He hasnt really been entered and havent gotten much interest in him, and the interest I have are the people saying he's an app (this is even coming from "app people") and I know someone who bought a 1d hs rodeo horse thats aqha for 2K etc so yours is worth less.. I know my market is way less than say if he was a qh but I know there still is a market for him, just got to find it. Once it warms up (-22 airtemp!) I'll haul him to an indoor and try to get a nice video of him. Thanks for all the help guys!!
I am going to turn my barrel horse that can no longer run barrels into a hunter. He has better movement than most 16.2 horses. He's 15.3. I get more compliments from the english folks on his movement I figured I would let him do a career change. Movement is more important than size, especially for open shows, but the AQHA peeps are HUGE into those 17h+ horses. I bet you can get him sold with a good video. |
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The Vaccinator
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | If he has cute jumping form and is quiet and willing, he may go easily into the Hunter world regardless of size. There are LOTS of ApHC horses on the Hunter circuit. If he jumps cute your video will need to show him going over a jump or two....and that can be three barrels on their side with him free-jumping in a round pen. A Hunter person can tell if they "have it" or not. As another posted stated, on the open circuit, size is not important, it is all about MOVEMENT. As it should be.
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Location: Mountains of VA | I disagree that size is not important.........in the show hunter world, 14.3 - 15.2 is a dead zone. If the horse is 15.2 it better be a phenom to make it as a show hunter. Length of stride, quality of hunter type movement, jumping form, temperment, and conformation.........most hunter people will not even consider a prospect if the horse does not have that long, low, flat knee hunter movement.
USEF hunters and breed show hunters are two different markets. Here in Virginia, the hunter market is SO competitive and flooded with mediocro prospects of all breeds. If the horse is not extra special, expect to put years of training into them to get them sold at a so-so price here. This is why I am now turning one of our Welsh ponies into a barrel pony. :) She is going to be one of the prettiest, best bred Welsh barrel pony in the U.S. Her career change is coming because she is an odd size to make it as a high dollar medium hunter pony and she doesn't have the flatest knee movement either. So, I figured what the heck. Why keep trying to get her into the hunter pony world where she will be a hard sell or not as competitive.
With that said, I started and sold one of our Paints this summer as a dressage horse. A 3yo tobiano gelding bred to be a barrel horse and that was my plan for him. I posted a video of him in western tack with 45 days of riding on him just w/t/c both directions. He sold right away to a dressage trainer. He did not have great flat knee hunter movement but he was big, pretty, quiet and athletic. So, when you can get a video of your horse, don't worry about the type of tack. Think more of showcasing his quality of movement and don't worry about the tack. |
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Location: mi | There is a big demand right now for quiet good ApHC barrel horses. The problem you may be having is that he is unproven in the App pen, which is totally different then an open pen. That being said if you have good video of him being run open, and it needs to show how he enters and exits the pen, he might still work for someone willing to give it a whirl. If he is just a prospect then you still need good video of his movement and showing just what he does or does not know. Curcuit ApHC horses sell for decent money, but it is the time of the interenet and you must have good pictures and good video to find a buyer, we are way more spread out across the country as there are just fewer of us. To me for the ApHC barrel horses they have a good value as a 4 and 5 year old for the AGHA classes sometimes 6 if they are close to being ready for the big shows. If you don't get them sold then they need to be finished and ready for a youth or NP to step on them and go, or priced right for someone to take the time to get them finished up before being ready to really run.
Good luck.
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The Vaccinator
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Where I am located - Ark/La/Tex/Okla area, size for Hunters on open circuit is not critical and the market is not flooded. |
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 The Non Sky Diver
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bibliafarm - 2013-12-31 6:36 PM
Fairweather - 2013-12-31 7:31 PM You've gotten some great info and ideas.
If you could get him into a couple of local shows and even an App show or two that would help. If he's solid - no bucking, etc -- I'd contact a 4H or Pony Club trainer in your area and see if they have any students willing to ride him for you a shows and for the video. I judge a good number of open shows and the 4H trainers around here always have students they're trying to step up or find a horse for. They're one of the best resources for selling pleasure type horses.
One thing that I will say is that a lot of pleasure people will shy away from a horse that has been ridden or trained by a barrel racer. So I would let the horse speak for itself first.
thats the market id go after for him.. might have better luck..good luck..
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Location: Canada | Depends on the area but where I live the market for an English horse is considerably less then barrel or rodeo horses. There are lots of nice English horses for sale with way more training then the barrel horses offered but they don't sell for nearly the same. Partially because the track here floods the market with ex-race horses for $300-$500. This may also be a problem in your area.
If your horse is 15.3 you need to have excellent videos to market as a HUS. For most riders 15.3 is a pass size. You'd need to show the movement of the horse to entice them to overlook the height.
Personally I agree with the previous poster who suggested marketing him as a 4-H horse. If he's quiet and youth approved this would be where he'd likely sell the fastest.
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Location: Kansas | For stock breed shows and local open hunter shows, 15.3 should be fine if he has an average stride. AQHA shows only use 12' strides between the jumps. Their amateur and youth classes also have smaller fence heights than USEF. I am guessing paint and appy shows probably have the same rules as AQHA. USEF will also have longer distances between the jumps than AQHA which could be a problem if not taller.
If you are only marketing as a HUS horse, his height is fine. That is where very pretty movement, headset and carriage will really factor in
Lots of horses advertised as 16+/17+ hands are not really that tall. For some reson, no one wants to say their hunter is less than 16 hands
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Sangria - 2014-01-01 12:44 PM For stock breed shows and local open hunter shows, 15.3 should be fine if he has an average stride. AQHA shows only use 12' strides between the jumps. Their amateur and youth classes also have smaller fence heights than USEF. I am guessing paint and appy shows probably have the same rules as AQHA. USEF will also have longer distances between the jumps than AQHA which could be a problem if not taller.
If you are only marketing as a HUS horse, his height is fine. That is where very pretty movement, headset and carriage will really factor in
Lots of horses advertised as 16+/17+ hands are not really that tall. For some reson, no one wants to say their hunter is less than 16 hands
This is very true as my fairly tall 5'10" friend is finding out when looking for a AQHA show prospect. Most are saying 16.3 and they aren't a hair over 16 hands when she goes to look at them. She's getting frustrated.
Anything 17+ is the rage. My colt sting tests to 17.1 and is 16.1 as a 2yr old. I have no idea if he will grow 4" more, but if I ever want to sell I sure hope so. I am only 5'2" so can get away riding a smaller horse. |
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 Ms. Manners
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Location: Oklahoma | hotpaints - 2014-01-01 7:15 AM I disagree that size is not important.........in the show hunter world, 14.3 - 15.2 is a dead zone. If the horse is 15.2 it better be a phenom to make it as a show hunter. Length of stride, quality of hunter type movement, jumping form, temperment, and conformation.........most hunter people will not even consider a prospect if the horse does not have that long, low, flat knee hunter movement.
USEF hunters and breed show hunters are two different markets. Here in Virginia, the hunter market is SO competitive and flooded with mediocro prospects of all breeds. If the horse is not extra special, expect to put years of training into them to get them sold at a so-so price here. This is why I am now turning one of our Welsh ponies into a barrel pony. :) She is going to be one of the prettiest, best bred Welsh barrel pony in the U.S. Her career change is coming because she is an odd size to make it as a high dollar medium hunter pony and she doesn't have the flatest knee movement either. So, I figured what the heck. Why keep trying to get her into the hunter pony world where she will be a hard sell or not as competitive.
With that said, I started and sold one of our Paints this summer as a dressage horse. A 3yo tobiano gelding bred to be a barrel horse and that was my plan for him. I posted a video of him in western tack with 45 days of riding on him just w/t/c both directions. He sold right away to a dressage trainer. He did not have great flat knee hunter movement but he was big, pretty, quiet and athletic. So, when you can get a video of your horse, don't worry about the type of tack. Think more of showcasing his quality of movement and don't worry about the tack.
THIS !!! Know the market you are selling to.
Clean, well-groomed horse in good fitting, clean tack (western saddle is okay, but use a snaffle to show he direct reins), with a video showing him at all gaits, transitions, stopping and backing. Close ups of his legs and feet while standing square on firm, level ground. Excelent pics - don't have to be pro, but a well groomed horse standing alert and square (or hunter stance) on firm, level surface with a quiet background. |
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