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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. If our government continues to be negligent and irresponsible, hell, I might want to move to Colorado, sit on a mountain, and just get stoned. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Marijuana has many medical benefits, alcohol has one, its an antiseptic......
I would rather deal with someone stoned than drunk, any day. |
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Location: Washington | As you all know Washington state is right behind them.
Personally not sure I see where the problem is....But it's a problem for those who choose to smoke it, because they are taxing the hell out of it 25% plus a sales tax! They are going to be seeking out the black market in droves! lol |
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Location: Kentucky | I don't see anything wrong with it. |
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Location: Midwest | Personally I think the crime surrounding the illegal drug trade is far worse than the potential result of making street drugs "legal".
people will always find ways to self medicate....if they do...that is their decision.... I don't need a government to tell me how to take care of myself. |
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Location: The edge of no where | fatchance - 2014-01-02 11:53 AM As you all know Washington state is right behind them.
Personally not sure I see where the problem is....But it's a problem for those who choose to smoke it, because they are taxing the hell out of it 25% plus a sales tax! They are going to be seeking out the black market in droves! lol
I don't think it's a big deal. It's a great way for the gov to raise revenue. |
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Location: Idahome | fatchance - 2014-01-02 10:53 AM
As you all know Washington state is right behind them.
Personally not sure I see where the problem is....But it's a problem for those who choose to smoke it, because they are taxing the hell out of it 25% plus a sales tax! They are going to be seeking out the black market in droves! lol
I don't see the issue either. Imagine the money coming in from the tax being collected.
It is a totally different scenario, but here in Idaho all money from lottery and scratch tickets help pay for public schools. Not that you want money from pot paying for schools, but think what else they could do with it.
I for one, may have to move to CO or WA and open shop to help pay the bills.  |
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Location: Florida.. | my question is this.. will that affect their jobs if they choose to smoke before work? or how is that handled? like alcohol or what? I dont see a issue either.. it has a calming effect for some that I truly feel can benefit from but it also will make more lazy...? can they drive on it ? or is it basically like alcohol.. same rules apply. I know a few that smoked it.. calmed them but made them lazy..
can they smoke it in public? id hope not.till a drug.. but in my opinion so is alcohol.. it ruins as many lives as drugs.. IMHO..I hate it. I hate drunks.
am I aganist it.. no..but teens dont need it and sure dont need a OK use drugs its ok.. pass..if its in privacy of your own home or area then fine..
my ex smoked a bag a week.. it did affect his personality.
but i prefered it over a drunk anyday..if he got hot headed Id tel him to go smoke a joint then we can talk.
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We all know that there are scads of private growers who currently are secretive. They aren't going to run to the govt. and tell them they are growing pot so they can lose out on some of their profit. They'll just sell it on the street corner for cheaper than you can get it at "Famous Pot Sellers" down the street. |
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If you dont like pot then dont use it, but Im WAYYY sick of hearing about it on the news.
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Location: Phoenix | Here's my take: it's much better than alcohol. You don't see people getting in fights, or becoming abusive/belligerent/irrational when they smoke pot. I've smoked it, and I have no desire to try any other hard drugs. Weed was not a gateway drug for me. I like to enjoy it at my Dave Matthews Band concerts and that's about it.
I imagine that there will be random drug tests just like there are now.
I just hate the fact that we are paying to keep people in jail for having small amounts of weed in them. Pounds of marijuana, yes, they probably should be incarcerated. Recreational amounts--no way. Waste of our taxes. |
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| Nateracer - 2014-01-02 12:16 PM
What I honestly want to know if how they are going to collect those taxes from ALL of the growers.
How do they collect taxes on all the "handyman" services? Some people will skirt around the tax system no matter what happens.
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Location: North Dakota | It is no worse than alcohol in my opinion. I don't smoke and don't drink personally but alcohol destroys more families and lives than pot usually does. |
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Pot smokers arrested for DUI: A record high in Washington With recreational use of pot now legal in the state, in the first six months of this year 745 drivers stopped by police tested positive for THC. For all of last year, about 1,000 test positive for THC, the active drug in marijuana. By Jonathan Kaminsky, Reuters / November 23, 2013 Different strains of marijuana are displayed during the grand opening of the Seattle location of the Northwest Cannabis Market, for sales of medical marijuana products. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson) Significantly more drivers pulled over by police in Washington state are testing positive for marijuana since legalization of the drug's recreational use took effect in January, according to figures released this week by the Washington State Patrol. In the first six months with pot legal in the state, 745 drivers stopped by police tested positive for the drug's psychoactive ingredient, THC, in their blood, the data show. Over half of those were over the state's new legal limit of 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood. By contrast, in each of the last two full years, about 1,000 drivers who were pulled over tested positive for THC. The increase comes despite the fact that recreational-use pot stores will not open in Washington state until next year. |
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Location: Florida.. | rodeomom3 - 2014-01-02 1:24 PM Here is one problem with legalizing it:
Pot smokers arrested for DUI: A record high in Washington
With recreational use of pot now legal in the state, in the first six months of this year 745 drivers stopped by police tested positive for THC. For all of last year, about 1,000 test positive for THC, the active drug in marijuana.
By Jonathan Kaminsky, Reuters / November 23, 2013
Different strains of marijuana are displayed during the grand opening of the Seattle location of the Northwest Cannabis Market, for sales of medical marijuana products.
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Significantly more drivers pulled over by police in Washington state are testing positive for marijuana since legalization of the drug's recreational use took effect in January, according to figures released this week by the Washington State Patrol.
In the first six months with pot legal in the state, 745 drivers stopped by police tested positive for the drug's psychoactive ingredient, THC, in their blood, the data show.
Over half of those were over the state's new legal limit of 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood.
By contrast, in each of the last two full years, about 1,000 drivers who were pulled over tested positive for THC.
The increase comes despite the fact that recreational-use pot stores will not open in Washington state until next year.
That is what I was wondering how it would be handled.. you cant smoke a joint and drive.. I dont care what anyone says.. personal responsiblity .. will have to factor in and we all know how well that happens.. it does affect your driving.. it should be like alcohol.. |
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Location: oklahoma | Oklahoma has more casinos than you can shake a stick at and the proceeds were supposed to go to the schools. Didn't happen. Idk if the govt is smart enough to retain the profits on this either. Backstreet deals will be cheaper and your local dealer will keep his long term customers from years past. Pot is better than alcohol as far as safety on the roads I suppose but the jerks with a crappy personality come down from that mellow pot high eventually :) |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | justcruzin - 2014-01-02 10:52 AM Marijuana has many medical benefits, alcohol has one, its an antiseptic......
I would rather deal with someone stoned than drunk, any day.
Pot heads are much easier to control...no doubt about that! Is that a good thing? It's been my observation (and personal experience), that while booze 'enhances' the personality & frame of mind of 'normal' drinkers...some seem to become different people, of which I do not buy! I've yet to see anyone do something drunk that they just didn't have the guts to do sober...a bottle of courage. It's just an excuse.
I don't support the taxing of marijuana...I do support Freedom. Freedom to be a loser...or whatever.
I don't like that anyone would benefit financially from anothers supposed 'sin'. That is sick & what's wrong with humanity.
I'll stick with my beer! BUT...if I wanted to smoke weed no law would prevent me from doing so.
I'm glad that that chapter of 'prohibition' is coming to an end! |
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Why shouldn't I be able to take a Valium after dinner and watch a Barney Miller marathon on TNT? |
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2014-01-02 12:39 PM If it's a matter of freedom, why just legalize pot?
Why shouldn't I be able to take a Valium after dinner and watch a Barney Miller marathon on TNT?
Plenty of people do just that
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | hammer_time - 2014-01-02 11:21 AM Here's my take: it's much better than alcohol. You don't see people getting in fights, or becoming abusive/belligerent/irrational when they smoke pot. I've smoked it, and I have no desire to try any other hard drugs. Weed was not a gateway drug for me. I like to enjoy it at my Dave Matthews Band concerts and that's about it.
I imagine that there will be random drug tests just like there are now.
I just hate the fact that we are paying to keep people in jail for having small amounts of weed in them. Pounds of marijuana, yes, they probably should be incarcerated. Recreational amounts--no way. Waste of our taxes.
That is simply not true. Sorry. I've worked in & owned bars for over 35 years & there's not much I haven't seen and/or done myself. When the occasional recreational user is high they cannot maintain a thought process very well...they forget from moment to moment what's going on...think sever adhd. Frequent users become somewhat numb to the effects & it becomes who they are...they actually can function fairly well, although not at top form.
I've witnesses drunks & druggies both fighting & being belligerent & irrational. Granted the pot head is usually not as 'sharp', therefore, easier to handle.
Also, as an employer I can promise you that I can tell who smokes, when & how long it's been. I do not expect much from drug users, yet, I've known alcoholics who have worked hard their whole lives & you'd never really know they had a problem.
I honestly do not care what people choose to do as long as it doesn't affect me or mine. I support freedom.
Mostly I'd say that the abuse of anything isn't gonna end well...lol. |
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Location: Bennett, CO | I honestly don't see it as an issue...especially the medical MJ....even the recreational...
however.. I HATE that my state has become a drug destination.
i really don't like that this is all the news is talking about.
when it comes to employers.... It is still considered against federal law...and if you pop hot for any drug..including MJ...your employer can fire you.
in the case of those with Commercial Drivers Licences....they are still subject to drug testing... And if they fail the test, they have to be fired, as if for no other reason, they are uninsurable |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | TXBO - 2014-01-02 11:39 AM If it's a matter of freedom, why just legalize pot?
Why shouldn't I be able to take a Valium after dinner and watch a Barney Miller marathon on TNT?
That's right! Legalize suicide, too.
I seriously do not care if some people are dumb enought o smoke meth or shoot heroin into their veins! The problem is the dollar that's involved.
Rehab. Jail. It puts the burden on the non-users. And 'taxing' it isn't the answer, either...that just makes me ill. We all become 'dealers'. |
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Location: Texas | TXBO - 2014-01-02 12:39 PM If it's a matter of freedom, why just legalize pot?
Why shouldn't I be able to take a Valium after dinner and watch a Barney Miller marathon on TNT?
It's the picking and choosing that I have an issue with...
But we've had this discussion before! Miss ya TX! |
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| musikmaker - 2014-01-02 12:53 PM
TXBO - 2014-01-02 11:39 AM If it's a matter of freedom, why just legalize pot?
Why shouldn't I be able to take a Valium after dinner and watch a Barney Miller marathon on TNT?
That's right! Legalize suicide, too.
I seriously do not care if some people are dumb enought o smoke meth or shoot heroin into their veins! The problem is the dollar that's involved.
Rehab. Jail. It puts the burden on the non-users. And 'taxing' it isn't the answer, either...that just makes me ill. We all become 'dealers'.
The "war" on drugs has cost us more financially than any treatment would and that doesnt include our freedoms getting trampled on. |
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| justcruzin - 2014-01-02 11:52 AM
Marijuana has many medical benefits, alcohol has one, its an antiseptic......
I would rather deal with someone stoned than drunk, any day.
1000X THIS
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This will do more for the war on drugs than anything we've done so far, in the sense that it will hurt the drug cartels big time. I want to see how this plays out. We should have some good answers within about 5 years.
I kinda like the idea of going to the pot shop after work and picking up a couple dubees for the weekend. If I want to smoke a dubee and sit out in the screened porch and stare at Bald Eagles all day I can do it.
I think this will eventually become the law of the land, if I had to guess. |
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Location: Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:13 PM This will do more for the war on drugs than anything we've done so far, in the sense that it will hurt the drug cartels big time. I want to see how this plays out. We should have some good answers within about 5 years.
I kinda like the idea of going to the pot shop after work and picking up a couple dubees for the weekend. If I want to smoke a dubee and sit out in the screened porch and stare at Bald Eagles all day I can do it.
I think this will eventually become the law of the land, if I had to guess.
The biggest hurdle would be the cartels themselves. They have more $ to lobby against legalization than anyone else -- plus they play dirty. Scraping up dirt on politicians wouldn't be tough. Money + bribery is how to get things done in the lawmaking world and drug cartels are experts at both. |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 12:13 PM justcruzin - 2014-01-02 11:52 AM Marijuana has many medical benefits, alcohol has one, its an antiseptic......
I would rather deal with someone stoned than drunk, any day. 1000X THIS
Have we considered that perhaps those who wish to control us feel the same way?
Heck, everything's nearly 'color-coded' now...won't be too long before the world can be maintained by potheads! Lmbo...
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| Nateracer - 2014-01-02 11:16 AM What I honestly want to know if how they are going to collect those taxes from ALL of the growers.
We all know that there are scads of private growers who currently are secretive. They aren't going to run to the govt. and tell them they are growing pot so they can lose out on some of their profit. They'll just sell it on the street corner for cheaper than you can get it at "Famous Pot Sellers" down the street.
They had it all over the news last night, ALL over it. I used it as an opportunity to pound into my son what a waste of money, time and energy it was. They had lines for hours and they didn't close until 10:45 last night! Craziness. One guy said he moved from N.J. to come out here and smoke pot. Oh, great. I see a real issue wtih our "services" that are going to be stretched to the max of already stretched services now.
Like someone else said, I don't see this making it to the schools.
Also, the tax will come when they sell it to the consumer, like anything wholesale, the store owner doesn't pay a tax until he sells it and it's much easier to track a stores intake via reciepts and taxes than it is a corner dealers.
Scares me that I drive (and my oldest drives) on the same roads as people stoned. That's what worries me. You can spot an acoholic as they use all the lines to stay on the highway, but you can't tell someone is going 25 MPH until you almost rear-end them..............................
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-01-02 2:10 PM Nateracer - 2014-01-02 11:16 AM What I honestly want to know if how they are going to collect those taxes from ALL of the growers.
We all know that there are scads of private growers who currently are secretive. They aren't going to run to the govt. and tell them they are growing pot so they can lose out on some of their profit. They'll just sell it on the street corner for cheaper than you can get it at "Famous Pot Sellers" down the street.
They had it all over the news last night, ALL over it. I used it as an opportunity to pound into my son what a waste of money, time and energy it was. They had lines for hours and they didn't close until 10:45 last night! Craziness. One guy said he moved from N.J. to come out here and smoke pot. Oh, great. I see a real issue wtih our "services" that are going to be stretched to the max of already stretched services now.
Like someone else said, I don't see this making it to the schools.
Also, the tax will come when they sell it to the consumer, like anything wholesale, the store owner doesn't pay a tax until he sells it and it's much easier to track a stores intake via reciepts and taxes than it is a corner dealers.
Scares me that I drive (and my oldest drives) on the same roads as people stoned. That's what worries me. You can spot an acoholic as they use all the lines to stay on the highway, but you can't tell someone is going 25 MPH until you almost rear-end them..............................
I think I'm going to move to Colorado so Smiley and I can sit out on a mountain and discuss vaccines...maybe even start a commune. Have bong will travel. Maybe we can find one of those florescent trees like the ones in "Avitar". We can all gather around and chant and move in perfect synchrony.
I think it's wonderful that the progressive state of Colorado is willing to be a huge social guinea pig. |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:18 PM smiley - 2014-01-02 2:10 PM Nateracer - 2014-01-02 11:16 AM What I honestly want to know if how they are going to collect those taxes from ALL of the growers.
We all know that there are scads of private growers who currently are secretive. They aren't going to run to the govt. and tell them they are growing pot so they can lose out on some of their profit. They'll just sell it on the street corner for cheaper than you can get it at "Famous Pot Sellers" down the street.
They had it all over the news last night, ALL over it. I used it as an opportunity to pound into my son what a waste of money, time and energy it was. They had lines for hours and they didn't close until 10:45 last night! Craziness. One guy said he moved from N.J. to come out here and smoke pot. Oh, great. I see a real issue wtih our "services" that are going to be stretched to the max of already stretched services now.
Like someone else said, I don't see this making it to the schools.
Also, the tax will come when they sell it to the consumer, like anything wholesale, the store owner doesn't pay a tax until he sells it and it's much easier to track a stores intake via reciepts and taxes than it is a corner dealers.
Scares me that I drive (and my oldest drives) on the same roads as people stoned. That's what worries me. You can spot an acoholic as they use all the lines to stay on the highway, but you can't tell someone is going 25 MPH until you almost rear-end them..............................
I think it's wonderful that the progressive state of Colorado is willing to be a huge social guinea pig.
The only two things I truly hate in life - pot and vaccines. I'd have to be stoned to sit around with you and talk vaccines. LOL. And since the ONLY time I could EVER see myself being stoned is if I were dying of cancer, you probably shouldn't hold your breath......................
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:13 PM This will do more for the war on drugs than anything we've done so far, in the sense that it will hurt the drug cartels big time. I want to see how this plays out. We should have some good answers within about 5 years.
I kinda like the idea of going to the pot shop after work and picking up a couple dubees for the weekend. If I want to smoke a dubee and sit out in the screened porch and stare at Bald Eagles all day I can do it.
I think this will eventually become the law of the land, if I had to guess.
I don't think it's going to effect the drug cartels as they will be selling it cheaper. They just had a report on TV that the legal pot is selling for $400.00 while on the street it's $100.00. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | KylaKris - 2014-01-02 12:12 PM fatchance - 2014-01-02 10:53 AM As you all know Washington state is right behind them.
Personally not sure I see where the problem is....But it's a problem for those who choose to smoke it, because they are taxing the hell out of it 25% plus a sales tax! They are going to be seeking out the black market in droves! lol I don't see the issue either. Imagine the money coming in from the tax being collected. It is a totally different scenario, but here in Idaho all money from lottery and scratch tickets help pay for public schools. Not that you want money from pot paying for schools, but think what else they could do with it. I for one, may have to move to CO or WA and open shop to help pay the bills.
And do you really think that the lottery money has actually gone into schools? LOL |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-01-02 2:38 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:13 PM This will do more for the war on drugs than anything we've done so far, in the sense that it will hurt the drug cartels big time. I want to see how this plays out. We should have some good answers within about 5 years.
I kinda like the idea of going to the pot shop after work and picking up a couple dubees for the weekend. If I want to smoke a dubee and sit out in the screened porch and stare at Bald Eagles all day I can do it.
I think this will eventually become the law of the land, if I had to guess. I don't think it's going to effect the drug cartels as they will be selling it cheaper. They just had a report on TV that the legal pot is selling for $400.00 while on the street it's $100.00.
LOL.....I can see it now. A bunch of pot shops open for business.......fast forward 2 years.....windows all boarded up.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:39 PM I don't have a wife yet, but I'm working on it, Smiley. Can I dance? Oh baby, I can cut a rug like Fred Astair on meth.
LOLOL
What's with all the drug references lately, you hitting up the pharmacy cabinet at work?
My dear, grumpy, but handsome husband never takes me dancing........................but if we lived in a commune............well...............I could have my cake and eat it too. HA. |
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Location: Dassel MN | this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree.... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | smiley - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:39 PM I don't have a wife yet, but I'm working on it, Smiley. Can I dance? Oh baby, I can cut a rug like Fred Astair on meth.
LOLOL
What's with all the drug references lately, you hitting up the pharmacy cabinet at work?
My dear, grumpy, but handsome husband never takes me dancing........................but if we lived in a commune............well...............I could have my cake and eat it too. HA.
I haven't been dancing in about 10 years to be honest. I'm not hitting the drug cabinet.....just very slow here today and I am going a little crazy from being cooped up inside. Kinda punch drunk. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | whirlaway - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree....
You're right, Whirl. I never thought of that but it's true. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 2:56 PM smiley - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:39 PM I don't have a wife yet, but I'm working on it, Smiley. Can I dance? Oh baby, I can cut a rug like Fred Astair on meth.
LOLOL
What's with all the drug references lately, you hitting up the pharmacy cabinet at work?
My dear, grumpy, but handsome husband never takes me dancing........................but if we lived in a commune............well...............I could have my cake and eat it too. HA.
Why do you think you are slow? New higher deductibles? LOL
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | whirlaway - 2014-01-02 1:44 PM this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree....
That's cuz smokers aren't easy to control...lol. Most of us 'carry' so we can still smoke wherever we want...bwahaha... |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-01-02 2:57 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 2:56 PM smiley - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:39 PM I don't have a wife yet, but I'm working on it, Smiley. Can I dance? Oh baby, I can cut a rug like Fred Astair on meth.
LOLOL
What's with all the drug references lately, you hitting up the pharmacy cabinet at work?
My dear, grumpy, but handsome husband never takes me dancing........................but if we lived in a commune............well...............I could have my cake and eat it too. HA.
Oh hell no! I had someone make an appointment so she could get something to keep her ears from popping while she flies to Cancun with her husband. I saw another with a sliver in his finger earlier. I just grabbed a tweezer and pulled it out.....probably about a $250 visit. The rest are just colds and flu. Those people come because they are "covered". |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 3:02 PM Nevertooold - 2014-01-02 2:57 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 2:56 PM smiley - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:39 PM I don't have a wife yet, but I'm working on it, Smiley. Can I dance? Oh baby, I can cut a rug like Fred Astair on meth.
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What's with all the drug references lately, you hitting up the pharmacy cabinet at work?
My dear, grumpy, but handsome husband never takes me dancing........................but if we lived in a commune............well...............I could have my cake and eat it too. HA.
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| whirlaway - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM
this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree....
I suppose that some do.
I however do not care what you do, when you do it or for how long. I also do not care if what you choose to do negatively effects your life.
My litmus test is very simple.
Is what you are doing or proposing to do going to affect me?
If so, is it negative?
Other than that
Spark up a doob and enjoy.
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Location: Midwest | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 3:22 PM whirlaway - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree.... I suppose that some do. I however do not care what you do, when you do it or for how long. I also do not care if what you choose to do negatively effects your life. My litmus test is very simple. Is what you are doing or proposing to do going to affect me? If so, is it negative? Other than that Spark up a doob and enjoy.
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-01-02 3:54 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 3:22 PM whirlaway - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree.... I suppose that some do. I however do not care what you do, when you do it or for how long. I also do not care if what you choose to do negatively effects your life. My litmus test is very simple. Is what you are doing or proposing to do going to affect me? If so, is it negative? Other than that Spark up a doob and enjoy.
I was going to bring up some Moral Realism or Non- nihilist philosophy but it gave me tired head.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 3:58 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-01-02 3:54 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 3:22 PM whirlaway - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree.... I suppose that some do. I however do not care what you do, when you do it or for how long. I also do not care if what you choose to do negatively effects your life. My litmus test is very simple. Is what you are doing or proposing to do going to affect me? If so, is it negative? Other than that Spark up a doob and enjoy. I was going to bring up some Moral Realism or Non- nihilist philosophy but it gave me tired head.
You kill me DD. I agree. How is it that it takes me 2 paragraphs to say what you can say in one sentence? |
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| DD2012 - 2014-01-02 3:58 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-01-02 3:54 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 3:22 PM whirlaway - 2014-01-02 2:44 PM this cracks me up. the same people that are just skippy with this will hang a tobacco smoker from the highest tree.... I suppose that some do. I however do not care what you do, when you do it or for how long. I also do not care if what you choose to do negatively effects your life. My litmus test is very simple. Is what you are doing or proposing to do going to affect me? If so, is it negative? Other than that Spark up a doob and enjoy. I was going to bring up some Moral Realism or Non- nihilist philosophy but it gave me tired head.
LMAO! Anything short of accepting the state of nature minus social contract would just be hypocritical, wouldn't it? |
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| You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. |
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| SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM
You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it.
Alcoholics everywhere say
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM
SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it.
I have a big bong.
You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect.
Does an individual "NEED" five plants?
no, but here's the rub.
If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@( business if I have them.
Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone.
But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
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| DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. |
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| SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place.
Anyone that violated their conscience, just for the tax revenues, deserves whatever they get. |
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| The first pot fest they had at the capitol ended in something like 2 shootings, 3 stabbings and a dog being killed.
Yes.... it was a peaceful, stoner gathering I'd say..... |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Do we think that making it legal changes the amount of users?
They'll never be able to control the home grown mj...can't control the seeds...well, unless, they do away with 'heirloom seeds'! Lol...they can do that now, I guess. So that would explain part of the "why now?".
Prohibition of any kind is un-American. A free people should be allowed to pick their poison...and the good Lord knows that we ALL do in one form or another... |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Welll, it's on my bucket list! Just once! But I don't plan on driving all the way to Colorado to purchase it! It worked for Steve Jobs or so he insinuated! Personally I don't think it makes all people lazy and non ambitious! I think people that have problems with addiction are looking for a crutch or excuse! Don't see anything wrong with making MJ legal! I have lived with an alcoholic but I don't want to stop having my occasional Rita or Bud Lite because some yahoo doesn't know when to stop! |
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| SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place.
I'll give you that.
But as Tx said, if you violated your values(as a voter) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally)
Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol |
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Location: Kentucky | Kentucky is trying to bring back legal hemp, but I don't think it's going to fly.
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| How bad does Colorado smell now? That stuff stinks! Their kids probably smell like it too.....hair, clothes, backpacks.... You can tell when someone has even been near a cigarette smoker. If you touch something saturated in cigarette smoke like a backpack or coat, your hand will smell like an ashtray. Cigarette smoke doesn't stink as bad. So they must really stink. |
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| DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
It isn't that I'm so much against it as I am irritated with the way it came about and the promises made to get it to this point. Now those promises mean nothing. Typical American Politics.
My point is that people keep saying it's better than booze. That isn't true.
I just believe instead of making excuses and to WHY it's okay.... people need to have their eyes wide open and understand that there ARE repercussions whenever you are dealing with any form of a substance that can alter the mind.
Also, on the whole, people don't just do pot. Pot, on average, leads to other drugs. I don't know of one single person that has just done pot. Granted they might only experiment with other drugs and never get hooked on them... but bottemline is that pot use DOES lead to other abuse.
You can say that it's no one's business what you do. And that is true. But if everything was a free for all, then the crime rate would be through the roof due to that exact same mind set. "I want it so I'm just going to take it because I deserve it".
Face it, rules and regulations are a fact of life in order to save us from ourselves. Humans, as a whole, are a fairly irresponsible species. Ever seen meth abuse? How can you sit there, watching a loved one self destruct and honestly say "it's none of my business"? |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
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| sodapop - 2014-01-02 6:07 PM How bad does Colorado smell now? That stuff stinks! Their kids probably smell like it too.....hair, clothes, backpacks.... You can tell when someone has even been near a cigarette smoker. If you touch something saturated in cigarette smoke like a backpack or coat, your hand will smell like an ashtray. Cigarette smoke doesn't stink as bad. So they must really stink.
I can tell you this. Some friends of mine had to forbid their children in trading food from sack lunches at school because of pot being put in brownies and what not.
I'm sorry, but I find this extremely sad that small kids can't even trade food with friends because you can't trust what's in it. |
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| musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:15 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges.
I normally agree with you 100% but in this case I do not.
If you have an addictive personality you will find something to be addicted to. Period.
Heres a fact, The WOD is an abject failure and the amount of money wasted on the WOD over the last 2-3 decades is obscene.
SKM:
I understand your frustation with the process, the State of Texas used the many of the same slight of hand tactics to get the State Lotto passed 30 years ago.
But when it comes to MJ being a gate way drug I don't agree. For every study you find that says it is, you will find just as many saying that it's not.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | SKM - 2014-01-02 6:14 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM You all really are stoned if you don't think pot ruins lives. I grew up in a very affluant part of the CO mountains. All the kids up there in the late 70's, early 80's did a lot of weed. You know how many of them ever became successful? Very few. I can think of one that was on the Olympic Ski Team that was this generation. They never had the drive or desire to do anything with their lives.
The kids from the same area that graduated in the mid to late 80's? Let's see..... stunt driver in Fast And Furious, etc.... ski coach for the US Olympic team... world renouned photographer... Hollywood talent scout.... head marketer for Professional Choice... District Attorney in Eagle.... well known Interior Decorator in Chicago.... past Olympic freestyle ski jumper that now commentates all the Olympics and World Cup events for freestyle and bumps..... The list goes on and on. The difference was my generation saw their older siblings totally screw their lives up getting stoned all the time so we never followed that path.
Meanwhile the earlier generation is still getting stoned, saying how they wish they never would have started but are too addicted to stop now. Many have tried to stop, they can't.
I'm not saying this to brag. It's a simple fact that the stoners never had the drive to do anything. High paying or high profile jobs don't make a person. But you have to have a desire to accomplish something in life and all the stoners I know don't have that.
As for the whole tax thing... that's a farce too because they are trying to make it where you can grow 5 pot plants for personal consumption. Who on God's green earth needs 5 pot plants for personal consumption? No one.... unless all they plan on doing is being stoned 24/7. Yep.... I can totally see how being that stoned would turn you into a pillar of energy and desire to accomplish anything.
Oh wait! Maybe that's the idea.... let people be that stoned LEGALLY and they won't care what the government does so the government can turn around and raise the income tax rate to 80%. People will be to lazy, complacent and they simply won't care enough to fight it. I have a big bong. You see Scott, that issue right there is my big disconnect. Does an individual "NEED" five plants? no, but here's the rub. If I want five plants, and it's not hurting you one little bit, it's non of your &#@ ( business if I have them. Now, I can already see that you or someone else that will make the argument that it will hurt them because I may drive impaired, I may go to work in my job impaired and hurt someone. But I may also down a fifth of vodka and do the same thing. See the hypocrisy?
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
My point is that people keep saying it's better than booze. That isn't true.
I just believe instead of making excuses and to WHY it's okay.... people need to have their eyes wide open and understand that there ARE repercussions whenever you are dealing with any form of a substance that can alter the mind.
Also, on the whole, people don't just do pot. Pot, on average, leads to other drugs. I don't know of one single person that has just done pot. Granted they might only experiment with other drugs and never get hooked on them... but bottemline is that pot use DOES lead to other abuse.
You can say that it's no one's business what you do. And that is true. But if everything was a free for all, then the crime rate would be through the roof due to that exact same mind set. "I want it so I'm just going to take it because I deserve it".
Face it, rules and regulations are a fact of life in order to save us from ourselves. Humans, as a whole, are a fairly irresponsible species. Ever seen meth abuse? How can you sit there, watching a loved one self destruct and honestly say "it's none of my business"?
Any kind of abuse is the business of a loved one...otherwise, until a crime has been commited (I mean one that harms, maims or kills another) people should be allowed to do whatever they think they're big enough to do...just be prepared to face the consequences! We need teeth in our laws!
My dad (who was a police officer and part time dog catcher for fun once upon a time) likened our laws to 'poodle laws'....the little old lady who'd gladly pay to get her beloved pet our of 'jail' was a much better prospect for revenue than the poor slob with a mean dog....
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Real Life is a truer testiment than any "study". JMHO.
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I don't have to read studies on it to know it's a gateway drug. I've seen it first hand over more than a few generations and more people than I care to count.
Real Life is a truer testiment than any "study". JMHO.
Very good.
No intention to fight with you so Good luck
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:21 PM musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges. I normally agree with you 100% but in this case I do not. If you have an addictive personality you will find something to be addicted to. Period. Heres a fact, The WOD is an abject failure and the amount of money wasted on the WOD over the last 2-3 decades is obscene. SKM: I understand your frustation with the process, the State of Texas used the many of the same slight of hand tactics to get the State Lotto passed 30 years ago. But when it comes to MJ being a gate way drug I don't agree. For every study you find that says it is, you will find just as many saying that it's not. And as for my stance of "leave me alone" read 3 felonies a day |
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Location: ND | Murphy - 2014-01-02 7:03 PM Kentucky is trying to bring back legal hemp, but I don't think it's going to fly.
we lose a huge amount of ag revenue each year to to our hemp ban and in no way could the production of hemp be confused with what it takes to grow good smoking weed........you'd have to have a telephone pole sized doobie to even find measurable thc quantities...drug war gone completely crazy.....
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| musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:31 PM
DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:21 PM musikmaker - 2014-01-02 7:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges. I normally agree with you 100% but in this case I do not. If you have an addictive personality you will find something to be addicted to. Period. Heres a fact, The WOD is an abject failure and the amount of money wasted on the WOD over the last 2-3 decades is obscene. SKM: I understand your frustation with the process, the State of Texas used the many of the same slight of hand tactics to get the State Lotto passed 30 years ago. But when it comes to MJ being a gate way drug I don't agree. For every study you find that says it is, you will find just as many saying that it's not. And as for my stance of "leave me alone" read 3 felonies a day
I know what your talking about.
But like I said, if you have an addictive personality you will become addicted to something.
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Location: ND | thc is not an addictive chemical............which is completely different from alcohol and nicotine....both of which have far worse effects than thc.........
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | musikmaker - 2014-01-02 5:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I'm a little earlier than SKM. My teenage generation was of the 60's and 70's and I grew up in So Cal. I've kept in contact with alot of them over the years. Lots of them still look like stoners with big smiles and long hair but unlike SKM there are alot of very, very successful businessmen, and women along with pro athletes, race car drivers. I kind of wish I would have taken off with my best girlfriend on her self awareness tour after graduation and gone to Hawaii...she ended up owning a coffee plantation and small nightclub and is set. I do remember that during the 60's alot of the designer drugs like meth hadn't even been invented yet and rather than drink themselves silly and puke all over the place, they'd just smoke a joint and head to the nearest burger place and this was around the time they came up with McDonalds. I was around it but never inhaled :)
Alot of my male classmates headed on their senior trip to Vietnam and I've had more than one tell me the only way they made it through after being dropped from a helicopter into some rice paddy, was to stay stoned for most of their tour.
I think this Co deal is going to be a interesting experiment for the rest of the country as we're only 8 miles from the CO border and I heard on the radio this morning WY is tossing around the idea also.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | justcruzin - 2014-01-02 7:25 PM musikmaker - 2014-01-02 5:15 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:00 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 5:27 PM DD2012 - 2014-01-02 4:03 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 4:56 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 4:46 PM Actually the hypocrisy is that it was sold as a huge tax revenue to support schools due to how high the tax rate would be when people purchased it on the market. So a bunch of people voted yes to legalize it.
Now they are saying, well you can grow 5 plants for personal consumption. If you are growing 5 pot plants, then you won't be purchasing your weed and paying taxes which was how this thing was sold to the public in the first place. I'll give you that. But as Tx said, if you violated your values (as a voter ) for the promise of revenue you do in fact deserve what you got. (this is not mean't as you personally ) Now, that being said. You are obviously not in favor of this. But if you would, explain to me how MJ is any different from Alcohol
Maybe the majority of the world lives a sheltered life, idk...I do know that someone who drinks alcohol daily & is NOT allergic to it can function fine through their entire life...the people that I've seen that smoke weed daily are 'gonners' after just a few years!
Apples & oranges.
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| SKM - 2014-01-02 7:27 PM
I don't have to read studies on it to know it's a gateway drug. I've seen it first hand over more than a few generations and more people than I care to count.
Real Life is a truer testiment than any "study". JMHO.
Maybe if they didnt have to buy pot from a crackhead meth dealer it wouldnt be a gateway drug.
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | sodapop - 2014-01-02 6:28 PM justruin are you referring to people you know who smoke cigarettes or pot?
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Itsme - 2014-01-02 6:47 PM This guy says high...
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | teehaha - 2014-01-02 7:34 PM I'm a little earlier than SKM. My teenage generation was of the 60's and 70's and I grew up in So Cal. I've kept in contact with alot of them over the years. Lots of them still look like stoners with big smiles and long hair but unlike SKM there are alot of very, very successful businessmen, and women along with pro athletes, race car drivers. I kind of wish I would have taken off with my best girlfriend on her self awareness tour after graduation and gone to Hawaii...she ended up owning a coffee plantation and small nightclub and is set. I do remember that during the 60's alot of the designer drugs like meth hadn't even been invented yet and rather than drink themselves silly and puke all over the place, they'd just smoke a joint and head to the nearest burger place and this was around the time they came up with McDonalds. I was around it but never inhaled :)
Alot of my male classmates headed on their senior trip to Vietnam and I've had more than one tell me the only way they made it through after being dropped from a helicopter into some rice paddy, was to stay stoned for most of their tour.
I think this Co deal is going to be a interesting experiment for the rest of the country as we're only 8 miles from the CO border and I heard on the radio this morning WY is tossing around the idea also.
After reading this thread & all the varying opinions I've concluded that, like everything else, marijuana use, drinking etc...must affect us according to something we can't grasp or guess at. I personally know ppl who came back from Vietnam saying that the only way they SURVIVED was by staying clean and NOT doing the drugs!
Who's to say?
I still am not against people having choices...in everything. So long as it's not hurting anyone else, but, I won't condone the use of mj. Just can't considering my own experiences & what I've seen...I simply haven't bought into it...even my neice who passed last year at age 27 from cancer, she used it to alleviate her pain & help with the her appetite...nothing. It actually made her struggle much, much worse. She finally got 'sobered up' and was able to pass with dignity and awareness.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Interesting. Is this true?:
Marijuana Overdoses Kill 37 in Colorado On First Day of LegalizationJanuary 2nd, 2014 
Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.
According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on January 1st, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive. "It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver, "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute. "We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuria and multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?" Rainin' Fire in the SkyColorado and Washington state approved the sale of marijuana for recreational use in November though statewide ballot measures. Under the new policies pot is legal for adult use, regulated like alcohol and heavily taxed. One of the principal arguments of legalization advocates was that cannabis has long been considered safer than alcohol and tobacco and was not thought not to cause overdose. But a brave minority tried to warn Coloradans of the drug's dangers. "We told everyone this would happen," says Peter Swindon, President and CEO of local brewer MolsonCoors, "Marijuana is a deadly hardcore drug that causes addiction and destroys lives. "When was the last time you heard of someone overdosing on beer? All these pro-marijuana groups should be ashamed of themselves. The victims' blood is on their hands." One of the those victims was 29-year-old Jesse Bruce Pinkman, a former methamphetamine dealer from Albuquerque who had recently moved to Boulder to establish a legal marijuana dispensary. Pinkman was partying with friends when he suffered several seizures and a massive heart attack which ultimately proved to be fatal. Toxicology reports revealed that marijuana was the only drug present in his system. "This is just a terrible tragedy," says his friend Peter, "Jesse was trying to go legit and now this happens? I guess drugs really are as dangerous as they say." Governor John Hickenlooper, who opposed the ballot initiative that legalized the drug, says he will call a special legislative session to try and overturn the new law. "We can't sit idly by and allow this slaughter to continue," he says.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 10:02 PM
Interesting. Is this true?:
Marijuana Overdoses Kill 37 in Colorado On First Day of Legalization
January 2nd, 2014
Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.
According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on January 1st, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.
"It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver, "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute.
"We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuria and multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?"
Rainin' Fire in the Sky
Colorado and Washington state approved the sale of marijuana for recreational use in November though statewide ballot measures. Under the new policies pot is legal for adult use, regulated like alcohol and heavily taxed.
One of the principal arguments of legalization advocates was that cannabis has long been considered safer than alcohol and tobacco and was not thought not to cause overdose. But a brave minority tried to warn Coloradans of the drug's dangers.
"We told everyone this would happen," says Peter Swindon, President and CEO of local brewer MolsonCoors, "Marijuana is a deadly hardcore drug that causes addiction and destroys lives.
"When was the last time you heard of someone overdosing on beer? All these pro-marijuana groups should be ashamed of themselves. The victims' blood is on their hands."
One of the those victims was 29-year-old Jesse Bruce Pinkman, a former methamphetamine dealer from Albuquerque who had recently moved to Boulder to establish a legal marijuana dispensary.
Pinkman was partying with friends when he suffered several seizures and a massive heart attack which ultimately proved to be fatal. Toxicology reports revealed that marijuana was the only drug present in his system.
"This is just a terrible tragedy," says his friend Peter, "Jesse was trying to go legit and now this happens? I guess drugs really are as dangerous as they say."
Governor John Hickenlooper, who opposed the ballot initiative that legalized the drug, says he will call a special legislative session to try and overturn the new law.
"We can't sit idly by and allow this slaughter to continue," he says.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-02 10:08 PM i laughed out loud when i read 'hypospadias'.....now that was funny.....
I saw that too! I had my doubts about the story. I pulled it off FB. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Smoking pot causes priapism too. I'm getting goofy here waiting for the -60 degree wind chills to hit. |
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| DD2012 - 2014-01-02 6:29 PM SKM - 2014-01-02 7:27 PM I don't have to read studies on it to know it's a gateway drug. I've seen it first hand over more than a few generations and more people than I care to count.
Real Life is a truer testiment than any "study". JMHO.
Very good. No intention to fight with you so Good luck
I didn't feel like you were trying to fight. All's good!
No one seems to have tocuhed on what I said though about sack lunches at schools.
Just because pot is legal, does that make it okay to give it to your kids for whatever reason? Nothing like starting them on weed in grade school I guess. |
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A friend of mine posted a picture on Facebook of the long lines going into shops and many people were carrying their ski's and snow boards. This was in Breckenridge. Nothing like getting stoned and then hitting the slopes I guess. |
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | I have never(and probably will never) smoked pot, or done any other drugs. But, some of the hardest workers at the racertrack will leave after morning training to goto their dorm and smoke a joint. Some of the bigger trainers too... I won't drop names but they definitely can't be called unsuccessful or anything of the nature.
They stay in their room, get a little buzz going, take a nap and come out later on and are fine. Honestly I would have never had a clue 90% of them smoked it until they told me, when they found out I didn't they made a point to keep it away from me, out of respect.
Meanwhile the track drunk runs around barn to barn begging people for money or cigarettes, making nasty remarks to women, and trying to start fights. Leaving beer bottles in peoples shedrows and just all out making an idiot out of himself.
Like I said before, I have never smoked it and don't really have a dog in the fight, but those are my experiences with both in the same area(racetrack backside). I would take the guy who just smoked a joint before I would the drunk any day back there!
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for the most part, with any substance, the personality is the problem....with on caveat.....methamphetamine........that is a one time, you are addicted kind of substance........and you will never get over it.....ever.....
Is Marijuana Addictive?Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among daily users (to 25-50 percent). Thus, many of the nearly 7 percent of high-school seniors who (according to annual survey data) report smoking marijuana daily or almost daily are well on their way to addiction, if not already addicted (besides functioning at a sub-optimal level all of the time). Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to remain abstinent. Behavioral interventions, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have proven to be effective in treating marijuana addiction. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the endocannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse. Rising PotencyThe amount of THC in marijuana samples confiscated by police has been increasing steadily over the past few decades. In 2012, THC concentrations in marijuana averaged nearly 15 percent, compared to around 4 percent in the 1980s. For a new user, this may mean exposure to higher concentrations of THC, with a greater chance of an adverse or unpredictable reaction. Increases in potency may account for the rise in emergency department visits involving marijuana use. For experienced users, it may mean a greater risk for addiction if they are exposing them-selves to high doses on a regular basis. However, the full range of consequences associated with marijuana's higher potency is not well understood, nor is it known whether experienced marijuana users adjust for the increase in potency by using less. |
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Location: That part of Texas | bocephus's mama - 2014-01-02 1:26 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 1:13 PM This will do more for the war on drugs than anything we've done so far, in the sense that it will hurt the drug cartels big time. I want to see how this plays out. We should have some good answers within about 5 years.
I kinda like the idea of going to the pot shop after work and picking up a couple dubees for the weekend. If I want to smoke a dubee and sit out in the screened porch and stare at Bald Eagles all day I can do it.
I think this will eventually become the law of the land, if I had to guess. The biggest hurdle would be the cartels themselves. They have more $ to lobby against legalization than anyone else -- plus they play dirty. Scraping up dirt on politicians wouldn't be tough. Money + bribery is how to get things done in the lawmaking world and drug cartels are experts at both.
The Cartels have no reason to fight this though. Just imagine how much money they could be making by growing marijuana down in Mexico, transporting it across the border and selling it for twice as much as they can on the streets in "legal" shops? They are already shipping huge amounts over here and have the gateways to do so even if it's illegal. That's never stopped them. It's also easier to transport other drugs inside those marijuana bundles than other means. Making it where drugs and having them are less taboo is a big help to the Cartels. They aren't going to stand against this -- they'll make more money off it than before. |
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | 1. I only ever smoked pot. Was offered X once but declined. Have never been interested in any other drugs & haven't smoked for years. Would probably be a coke-***** if my mom didn't work on a cardiac floor & I didn't know how bad it was or how addictive it is. Mainly because it sounds fun until it's not.
2. Same judgemental nurse mom says that she would rather see stoners than drunks & other druggies. They're generally healthier & easier to get along with. No fighting, lazy, what's the point in causing trouble? Now my alcoholic/rageaholic ex-husband would get violent over the mention of me smoking weed...draw your own conclusions.
3. Just like the casinos & lottery, the money might go toward the schools but all of the money that was already going to the schools will be withdrawn & put somewhere else. So, there's that.
4. Take a druggie who you say doesn't affect you: what about your neighbor that he robbed? Now your harmonious neighborhood isn't so safe. What about the little old man he knocked down to steal his wallet? Now you're watching your back in the grocery store parking lot. What about the murder you saw on the news, that happened just a town away? Now you have a funeral to go to & nightmares to deal with in your kids. Desperation for another high makes people do horrible things.
5. Our prison system doesn't help the problem. If anything, it hurts it. Ex's druggie cousin OD'd in prison twice, so...how in the world did he get the drugs to OD? Cartels, gangs & corruption are rampant within the walls so going to jail for drugs doesn't get you off of them.
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Nicknameless
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | As a teenager in the 70's I remember how nearly legal mj was...remember 'Fish'? Or 'Laugh In'? Like so many in my group I tried mj over & over, don't know why as I did not like it...it made me paranoid, quiet & withdrawn, I mean, what happened to the party??? I know 1st hand that none of us were functioning very well...sure, you could climb into the 'why's & how's' of certain mundane & stupid things, but, instant recall or having an intelligent conversation was not possible.
I was offered many other drugs, from lsd to heroin, I've seen people shoot crap into their eyelids & toenails. Thing is, my parents warned me about those drugs...I would never have taken them...but, weed? It just wasn't on the taboo list as much...neither was coke or shrooms or speed. Not then. Coke was the new, non addictive drug of the 70's. Ha. We all know how that ended up.
Later, as a musician, I found that I could not perform...could not remember what song we were even playing much less the words or the chords. It was easy to quit...forever.
I wasn't much of a drinker, either...I like my beer now, but, not then.
My old 'friends'? Some were like me & grew up...some others, like the Most Likely To Succeed, Most Athletic...Valedictorian... etc...ruined. They came from good families. Were very 'popular'. Had every opportunity a kid could ever want. Destroyed or dead.
Through the years I've witnessed even more destruction & one of the worst are those who drink, smoke weed...get depressed & mix it all up with anti-depressants. Wow. Now THAT is a mess.
I've seen women push weed on their so's vs booze because "he's easier to handle"...I've yet to see that one work out well.
My husband has never tried pot...and I never had a problem telling my kids that I had & to compare our struggles...needless to say, my kids who are now over 30 have never tried pot, either...lol. Even though I wasn't an 'abuser' & didn't use it much it left it's mark with memory issues...I have a photographic memory...it's just finding the right 'album' can be frustrating.
And this is with little use long ago!
Nobody can tell me that weed doesn't have long lasting ill affects.
I STILL support freedom to choose.
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Extreme Veteran
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| Personally I don't use MJ but I know people who do and I have 3 different stories to tell:
1) My good friend for 30 years started smoking MJ when we were teens, still does to this day. She's never held down a job for long, lives with relatives, drives the same old car and never really grew up, never married and no kids. She still behaves like a teen girl. We stopped talking about 3 years ago for other reasons. While this person hasn't physically hurt anyone but herself, she can't take care of herself, can't have normal relationships and has no desire to do anything with her life other than get high.
2) My good friend for about 5 years, he is stable, has a great family, mechanically speaking he is a genius. He can build just about anything. One of the nicest guys you could meet.
3) My own brother, started smoking when he was 12 and it led to every other drug you can imagine. If he could get his hands on it, he did it. Been in jail more times than I can count, disappeared for 3 years, we didn't know whether he was alive or dead. He is messed up, I mean tinfoil hat kind of messed up, can't carry on a conversation and he's supposedly been sober for a few years.
My point is I think it depends on the person, we are all individuals, personality and chemistry so all drugs, whether its alchohol or pot or something else affects each person differently. Personally, I think people are going to do what they are going to do, legal or not. |
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 Firecracker Dog Lover
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| My husband works with a super nice fellow and every night he comes home and says, "XXXX is a prime example of why smoking too much weed is a bad thing." He's forgetful, lazy, literally sleeps on the job and is very absent-minded. :) |
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