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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | There's just something about that expression that seems out of kilter, to my way of thinking. The phrase suggests that there should be something beneficial to being jobless. | |
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| I do not know what the answer is as many have now lost their long term "benefits". How do you take care of the ones who really need it while getting the slackers and lifers off the handout train. Seems like a better plan to engineer the benefits such as child care, rent, etc. around you get these if you get a job after you have been on welfare for X amount of time, making exceptions for those who really can't work. The only discussion I hear from the liberals is how terrible, insinsitive an uncaring those are who want to try and change our welfare system- never a word about how to stimulate job growth so these folks can get a job. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I guess my point is that I think this expression has been conjured up almost as if to suggest there was an advantage to being unemployed. It used to be called simply "unemployment". I guess it's just semantics, but it sort of hit me this morning. There used to be a time when welfare was called "welfare".....now it comes in all sorts of warm fuzzy expressions and euphemisms. | |
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        Location: Kansas | When I worked for welfare years ago, it was called welfare. Then it was Social Rehabilitation Services. I don't even know for sure what it is now. I just know there's too many people dependent on handouts who could be working just like the rest of us.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-02 11:58 AM I guess my point is that I think this expression has been conjured up almost as if to suggest there was an advantage to being unemployed. It used to be called simply "unemployment". I guess it's just semantics, but it sort of hit me this morning. There used to be a time when welfare was called "welfare".....now it comes in all sorts of warm fuzzy expressions and euphemisms.
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       Location: hot, humid and dry...Gulf coast East of Houston.. | Not unemployment related, but a term that makes me chuckle is the term.. "jumbo shrimp" LOL | |
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         Location: SW MO | This is a bit off topic, but I just found this out last week & was blown away by it. In MO if you are making like $1500 a month, you qualify for Medicaid even if your working. But MO won't give you Medicaid But if you qualify for Medicaid you are not eligible for any kind of tax credit for your health insurance. You can either pay the $800 plus a month for it or do with out. You won't receive a penalty on your taxes but you won't get any help with your insurance either. So doesn't this lead low income people to not want to work? They would be better off with no job than a low income job. I thought this new insurance was to help low income people to be able to afford insurance ??? | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | crossspur - 2014-01-02 12:46 PM
This is a bit off topic, but I just found this out last week & was blown away by it.
In MO if you are making like $1500 a month, you qualify for Medicaid even if your working.
But MO won't give you Medicaid
But if you qualify for Medicaid you are not eligible for any kind of tax credit for your health insurance.
You can either pay the $800 plus a month for it or do with out. You won't receive a penalty on your taxes but you won't get any help with your insurance either.
So doesn't this lead low income people to not want to work?
They would be better off with no job than a low income job.
I thought this new insurance was to help low income people to be able to afford insurance ???
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| Work is about cubicles. Doesn't it drive you upset? Assuming you still have some faculties left, try to avoid doing any of these things, unless joblessness is your objective. | |
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| If you pay attention the dumb people are still working ....
When you don't have the expenses of having a job ... and pulling in $2000 in state and federal SSI etc. funds and your total out go is less than $500 not counting the freebies like food banks, food stamps, Medicaid, free phones, sell a few drugs .... you have >$2000-2500 to spend anyway you want each month ... all of your emergencies are covered so you never spend any of your own money ... if a druggy couple ... just double this ...
So.... WHY ARE YOU STILL WORKING ?? ... lol
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-17 2:30 AM If you pay attention the dumb people are still working .... When you don't have the expenses of having a job ... and pulling in $2000 in state and federal SSI etc. funds and your total out go is less than $500 not counting the freebies like food banks, food stamps, Medicaid, free phones, sell a few drugs .... you have >$2000-2500 to spend anyway you want each month ... all of your emergencies are covered so you never spend any of your own money ... if a druggy couple ... just double this ... So.... WHY ARE YOU STILL WORKING ?? ... lol
You are really right. The schmart ones are at home COLLECTING the money I am making for them - while using their IPhones and having a mani-pedi, while I'm getting my butt chewed about why did the shop lose hours and why are they working OT. | |
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   Location: SE Louisiana | Griz - 2014-01-17 5:31 AM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-17 2:30 AM If you pay attention the dumb people are still working .... When you don't have the expenses of having a job ... and pulling in $2000 in state and federal SSI etc. funds and your total out go is less than $500 not counting the freebies like food banks, food stamps, Medicaid, free phones, sell a few drugs .... you have >$2000-2500 to spend anyway you want each month ... all of your emergencies are covered so you never spend any of your own money ... if a druggy couple ... just double this ... So.... WHY ARE YOU STILL WORKING ?? ... lol
You are really right. The schmart ones are at home COLLECTING the money I am making for them - while using their IPhones and having a mani-pedi, while I'm getting my butt chewed about why did the shop lose hours and why are they working OT.
Guess I'm not very smart. I had an argument yesterday morning with a fella that was trying to talk me into getting everything he said I was "entitled to" as an American citizen in my situation. He could not understand my position that just because I COULD get all that free stuff, did NOT mean I was entitled to it and did not understand why I would not apply for it.  | |
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| I overhead a gal at the grocery store yesterday who had run into someone she apparently hadn't seen in a while.
He asked her if she was working again yet, to which she replied "No, I can't afford to once they take out all the taxes and stuff".
Part of me wanted to tell her "you're welcome" for the cart of Coca-Cola and potato chips she had, my assumption being if she wasn't working that it was subsidized by all the "taxes and stuff" they're taking out of my check.
I shook my head and walked out since I was just on my lunch break and needed to get back to my tax paying job so I could support her perfectly able bodied butt.
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | The "cushiness" of verbage is the new wave. Do this and people won't feel so bad that they scam the government. Not all people - but you know what I mean. They need to bring back the "shame", but that won't happen either. As said before starvation is a great motivator.
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| 3canstorun - 2014-01-17 7:17 AM The "cushiness" of verbage is the new wave. Do this and people won't feel so bad that they scam the government. Not all people - but you know what I mean. They need to bring back the "shame", but that won't happen either. As said before starvation is a great motivator.
I agree, I hate for those who truly need the "benefits" to be hurt but there are some who can work. I read an article about how people will be hurt and those they interviewed all had job offers that equaled their jobless benefits but did not take the jobs because they were still way below their previous income and the jobs were not in their field. The authors view point was they still need the benefits, my view point was take what employment you can till you can work your way back to where you want to be.
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | rodeomom3 - 2014-01-17 8:48 AM 3canstorun - 2014-01-17 7:17 AM The "cushiness" of verbage is the new wave. Do this and people won't feel so bad that they scam the government. Not all people - but you know what I mean. They need to bring back the "shame", but that won't happen either. As said before starvation is a great motivator.
I agree, I hate for those who truly need the "benefits" to be hurt but there are some who can work. I read an article about how people will be hurt and those they interviewed all had job offers that equaled their jobless benefits but did not take the jobs because they were still way below their previous income and the jobs were not in their field. The authors view point was they still need the benefits, my view point was take what employment you can till you can work your way back to where you want to be.
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| 3canstorun - 2014-01-17 7:53 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-01-17 8:48 AM 3canstorun - 2014-01-17 7:17 AM The "cushiness" of verbage is the new wave. Do this and people won't feel so bad that they scam the government. Not all people - but you know what I mean. They need to bring back the "shame", but that won't happen either. As said before starvation is a great motivator.
I agree, I hate for those who truly need the "benefits" to be hurt but there are some who can work. I read an article about how people will be hurt and those they interviewed all had job offers that equaled their jobless benefits but did not take the jobs because they were still way below their previous income and the jobs were not in their field. The authors view point was they still need the benefits, my view point was take what employment you can till you can work your way back to where you want to be. Yep - it is always easier to get a job if you have a job. And, if people see on your application/resume that you were willing to do anything/something to get employment, they are more willing to employ you.
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       Location: Florida | Florida is like MO, if you qualify for medicaid you get no help with the ACA insurance. But, our governor turned away the federal money to expand medicaid so they can't get medicaid benefits. So the working poor in Florida are screwed, which was our governor's plan all along. It is a great way to "divide and couquer" pitting the haves against the have-nots so everyone hates the ACA. | |
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| Get your facts right or learn to tell the whole story. The ACA can stand alone in it's own failures. After saying no to feds on Medicaid expansion, Florida may ask for more moneyThursday, October 17, 2013 5:44pm TALLAHASSEE — Months after Florida lawmakers rejected $51 billion from the federal government to expand Medicaid, state officials are prepared to request billions in new federal aid for a different program to improve care for the poor, uninsured and underinsured. State officials want to grow Florida's Low Income Pool (LIP) program from $1 billion a year to possibly $3 billion a year, said Justin Senior, deputy secretary for Medicaid at the Agency for Health Care Administration. The additional money could help hospitals cover charity care, provide premium support for low-income Floridians or expand health care programs. "Our feeling at the agency is that there are opportunities here to make the LIP program larger," Senior told lawmakers, who didn't object. "We have talked with the federal government about that, and the federal government, by and large, they seem generally receptive to the possibility of it." Even contemplating accepting additional federal LIP dollars seems at odds with the Legislature's stone-cold rejection of additional Medicaid funding tied to health care reform. But it highlights how intertwined Tallahassee and Washington are — whether Republican lawmakers in the state Capitol like it or not. Rep. Matt Hudson, a Naples Republican and chairman of the House's health care budget committee, said it's best to keep the two discussions separate. "While opponents would love to water down the House's opposition to Medicaid expansion to a single sound bite, it's not that simple," he said in an email. "We will evaluate these decisions based on the long term physical and fiscal well-being of Florida." For years, the Legislature has signed off on leveraging local tax dollars to qualify for additional health care funding from the federal government. But it's hardly enough, health care officials say, and less than what states like Texas and California receive. "Florida is embarrassingly low in the amount of money it gets from the federal government in supplemental payments," Tony Carvalho, president of the Safety Net Hospital Alliance of Florida, told the panel. Florida receives roughly $1.4 billion a year in supplemental Medicaid funding, according to a report commissioned by Carvalho's organization. California collects about $5 billion a year for similar programs and Texas expects $7.5 billion each year, the same study said. Texas uses the money to help pay hospitals that treat large numbers of uninsured patients and to fund innovative health programs. Florida officials say the state will tie the request for more funding to Florida's application for an extension of the federal waiver that privatized Medicaid. The waiver application will be submitted in about a month. Most likely, the federal government will insist on new quality improvement benchmarks as a trade-off for any new money. Linda Quick, president of the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association, said the need for more funding became even more pronounced after House Republicans blocked a plan to expand Medicaid to 1 million low-income Floridians earlier this year. The federal health care law also reduces some supplemental funding hospitals now receive. Even if that weren't true, Florida will always have people who are uninsured or don't have enough insurance coverage, Quick said. And that means hospitals and health centers will always need this supplemental money, she said. "Unfortunately, those people are not going anywhere, and they're not getting insurance," she said. "And therefore we need to continue to put money into the Low Income Pool." The state is hoping the federal government will give at least conditional approval to its Medicaid waiver renewal and funding increase by early 2014. That will allow the Legislature time to pass any laws needed to implement it for the 2014-15 fiscal year. House Republicans rejected Medicaid expansion largely because it relied on federal funding to reduce the number of uninsured. Now, they may be needed to sign off on how any new dollars are allocated. "I suppose there is some sense of irony if not hypocrisy there," Quick said, "that we'll take money with a different title and tag on it." | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | The real irony is that this is all packged under the guise of "compassion", but the driving force behind this is a quest for political power that translates into wealth for liberal elites. Low information voters are targeted on multiple fronts, under a variety of disguises, but the main thrust is to entrap people and get them onto some sort of government program. Once you feed a stray dog, he stays around, doesn't he? Once people are convinced there is no real advantage to working, they are permanently imprisoned and obligated to vote for liberals if they want their lifestyle and dependency to continue. The liberal intelligentsia expand this base, and also select other groups for targeting: Women - aka the "war on women" - make efforts to convince women that conservatives are out to strip them of their "reproductive rights", deprive them of birth control, and pay them slave wages, compared to men of equal ability and skill. Gun Control - convince the masses that violent crime is because of guns, rather than criminals or criminally insane. Illegal Immigrants - convince them that conservatives are going to deprive them of their so-called rights, round them up like cattle, and ship them all back. At the same time, convince Hispanic legal citizens that they too are being targeted by conservatives. Blacks - They have been convinced that lower standards ought to be applied to them, in the name of "social justice", and that they are especially in need of government services and handouts. They are convinced that conservatism is a racist ideology, when the truth is that it is liberalism that is flagrantly racist. We see examples of liberal racism every day. Environmentalists - For decades they have tried to conjure up some sort of looming cataclysm under a variety of labels - "Global cooling" became "global warming" which has morphed into a more marketable scheme "climate change". They keep coming up with new fads and labels, like "polar vortex" which is actually an old term from the 70s that was dug out of some liberal attic and dusted off and revised to fit the current hoax. Back in the 70s, the rage was global cooling. I remember magazine covers and articles that claimed the scientists have proven it's existence. First we were all told we were doomed to an ice age, then we were doomed to burning up. Now? They are more clever and have come up with an ambiguous "Climate Change" theme that is a one-size-fits-all term on which they base their quest to harness the gullible and intellectually challenged and go after "big oil" and coal industry. The tentacles even crept into the agricultural communities with the emergence of the ethanol industry through the use of these artificial tools.....so even traditionally more conservatve farmers are being rounded up and shackled with liberal ideology that is more imagined than real. Most probably don't easily succumb, but significant numbers are nonetheles successfully culled. I doubt many people in the northern hemishpere are so enamored with this whole notion. Whatever happened to the "carbon credits" movement? Don't worry....it's being re-fitted and re-tooled into a new propaganda tool. Look for a new name to that, just like everything else.
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       Location: Florida | I agree it is all about power and wealth, but I have to respectfully disagree that it is only "liberals" and democrats doing it. I think society hasn't changed since the dawn of man, those who have "it" want to keep it. One way to accomplish that goal is to keep the population dependent and ignorant. You blame the democrats for dependent, but it is the republicans who are destroying free public education to keep them ignorant. I think both parties are corrupted and counter-productive. Vote your beliefs, not your party, whichever party you are. Because believe it or not, I am not and have never been a democrat.
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| Vickie - 2014-01-17 9:16 AM I agree it is all about power and wealth, but I have to respectfully disagree that it is only "liberals" and democrats doing it. I think society hasn't changed since the dawn of man, those who have "it" want to keep it. One way to accomplish that goal is to keep the population dependent and ignorant. You blame the democrats for dependent, but it is the republicans who are destroying free public education to keep them ignorant. I think both parties are corrupted and counter-productive. Vote your beliefs, not your party, whichever party you are. Because believe it or not, I am not and have never been a democrat. I agree, both parties are corrupt. I disagree that those who have it "want to keep it". The mentality of the big guy vs the little guy does not apply across the board. Our personal tax bill is huge, we pay quarterly and we pay alot. We do not moan about our high taxes, we do our part, if not more to support our country. We give to charities on top of what we give to the government. Do we want to give more, no, too much waste and abuse. We did not get what we have earned by takeing from others or keeping others down. My husbands construction business has created thousands and thousands of jobs, many of which disappeared during the downturn of the economy.
Vickie, have you given away all your assests to be sure you do not have any more than your fellow citizens? How can you own horses if there are those who cannot afford it? Is that fair and right? Don't point fingers till you walk the walk.
Curious as to how the republicans have destroyed public education? It is a mess but not sure who is to blame. Vouchers to allow kids to pick their school of choice was shot down by unions.
Nobody plays the have and have not card better than Obama. Talk about class warfare.
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       Location: Florida | Rodeomom, I will admit I am one of the "haves", and like you I pay a huge tax bill and give to charities, take in needy horses and dogs, and help support half my family. I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I have a problem with welfare too. And to get back to the original post, yes jobless benefits is a strange way of wording it. | |
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | As far as states that didn't want to expand their freebie health care, I am glad that Georgia also chose not to enroll.
I have no problem with the truly needy getting help, but the whole system is corrupt and abused. Just work in the health care field in a local hospital in So Georgia. Way too many horror stories about abuse.
Just like the unemployment. The system needs to be re-vamped, starting with the people that "we" have elected. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Almost all Democrats are liberal. Republicans have both liberals and conservatives within their ranks. I'm not a Republican, but practically speaking the GOP is my only option when it comes to voting. That's why I use liberal vs conservative in most of my posts. | |
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The real irony is that this is all packged under the guise of "compassion", but the driving force behind this is a quest for political power that translates into wealth for liberal elites. Low information voters are targeted on multiple fronts, under a variety of disguises, but the main thrust is to entrap people and get them onto some sort of government program. Once you feed a stray dog, he stays around, doesn't he? Once people are convinced there is no real advantage to working, they are permanently imprisoned and obligated to vote for liberals if they want their lifestyle and dependency to continue. The liberal intelligentsia expand this base, and also select other groups for targeting:
Women - aka the "war on women" - make efforts to convince women that conservatives are out to strip them of their "reproductive rights", deprive them of birth control, and pay them slave wages, compared to men of equal ability and skill.
Gun Control - convince the masses that violent crime is because of guns, rather than criminals or criminally insane.
Illegal Immigrants - convince them that conservatives are going to deprive them of their so-called rights, round them up like cattle, and ship them all back. At the same time, convince Hispanic legal citizens that they too are being targeted by conservatives.
Blacks - They have been convinced that lower standards ought to be applied to them, in the name of "social justice", and that they are especially in need of government services and handouts. They are convinced that conservatism is a racist ideology, when the truth is that it is liberalism that is flagrantly racist. We see examples of liberal racism every day.
Environmentalists - For decades they have tried to conjure up some sort of looming cataclysm under a variety of labels - "Global cooling" became "global warming" which has morphed into a more marketable scheme "climate change". They keep coming up with new fads and labels, like "polar vortex" which is actually an old term from the 70s that was dug out of some liberal attic and dusted off and revised to fit the current hoax. Back in the 70s, the rage was global cooling. I remember magazine covers and articles that claimed the scientists have proven it's existence. First we were all told we were doomed to an ice age, then we were doomed to burning up. Now? They are more clever and have come up with an ambiguous "Climate Change" theme that is a one-size-fits-all term on which they base their quest to harness the gullible and intellectually challenged and go after "big oil" and coal industry. The tentacles even crept into the agricultural communities with the emergence of the ethanol industry through the use of these artificial tools.....so even traditionally more conservatve farmers are being rounded up and shackled with liberal ideology that is more imagined than real. Most probably don't easily succumb, but significant numbers are nonetheles successfully culled. I doubt many people in the northern hemishpere are so enamored with this whole notion. Whatever happened to the "carbon credits" movement? Don't worry....it's being re-fitted and re-tooled into a new propaganda tool. Look for a new name to that, just like everything else.
At the end of the day, all of this is about political power and wealth for the liberal elites.
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| komet. - 2014-01-17 5:43 AM Griz - 2014-01-17 5:31 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-17 2:30 AM If you pay attention the dumb people are still working .... When you don't have the expenses of having a job ... and pulling in $2000 in state and federal SSI etc. funds and your total out go is less than $500 not counting the freebies like food banks, food stamps, Medicaid, free phones, sell a few drugs .... you have >$2000-2500 to spend anyway you want each month ... all of your emergencies are covered so you never spend any of your own money ... if a druggy couple ... just double this ... So.... WHY ARE YOU STILL WORKING ?? ... lol You are really right. The schmart ones are at home COLLECTING the money I am making for them - while using their IPhones and having a mani-pedi, while I'm getting my butt chewed about why did the shop lose hours and why are they working OT. Guess I'm not very smart. I had an argument yesterday morning with a fella that was trying to talk me into getting everything he said I was "entitled to" as an American citizen in my situation. He could not understand my position that just because I COULD get all that free stuff, did NOT mean I was entitled to it and did not understand why I would not apply for it. 
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| You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me!
Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?"
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       Location: Opelousas, LA | cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?"
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cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?"
Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status.
That's what I thought too, that it had to be fraud! I was so mad when I found out! I always thought they were "good people" but that totally changed my opinion! | |
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      Location: Wyoming | I find it interesting that for the last how ever long, O, Reid and the Democrats kept telling us how well the economic recovery was and that millions of jobs were being created. So? If the economy is doing so gosh dang great, then why do people need an extension on an already extended jobless benefit? If the economy is doing so well, shouldn't they be able to find jobs? Because our employers pay into unemployment insurance, then yes, if things go south, having the benfift a few weeks is a nice safety net. But NOT for a few years!
BTW: Over 9 million workers have completely dropped out of the work force since 2009. The year O took office. And the participation rate is the lowest it has been since 1978.
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| cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 1:45 PM Barnmom - 2014-01-17 1:23 PM cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?" Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status. That's what I thought too, that it had to be fraud! I was so mad when I found out! I always thought they were "good people" but that totally changed my opinion!
Interesting isn't in when you think you have a good handle on who someone is. We run into a 40'ish year old couple at my husbands shoots and at the ast one the wife was holding ice to her back and shot less than half of what she usually signs up for. Turns out she works/worked as clerk for the post office and is on disability. They started investigating her so she is playing hurt. Prior to this I have seen her be on her feet for 8 hours straight shooting for 3 days in a row. They make it worse for the people who really need it. | |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | Barnmom - 2014-01-16 2:23 PM cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?" Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status.
I don't think the "assets" are consider when handing out freebies..........just the income and dependents........why we see so many with "toys"........
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| Where are all these welfare programs? How do people find this free money? I don't know a single person collecting a welfare check. I know people on food stamps but no cash assistance. I did check into a program that was for unpaid child support. I am supposed to get $600 a month. They would pay me $165 a month and keep what they collected from him. That didn't sound like a very good deal to me. | |
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   Location: SW New Mexico | CJE - 2014-01-18 3:26 PM
Barnmom - 2014-01-16 2:23 PM cyount2009 - 2014-01-17 12:38 PM You know, this just came up in my house the other day. A person I know, owns several businesses, paid for invitro and DNA to make sure at least one implanted embryo was a boy (they already had 4 kids so it wasn't a matter of a reproductive issue), owns their home out right, as well as an $80,000 dirt buggy, a brand new camero and several other very expensive toys, has her hair and nails done every week, pays for a house keeper 2 days a week, just qualified for and TOOK, Free health care, Food Stamps, WIC and Free and Reduced Lunch Program for school! Why did they qualify? They have 6 dependents. Why isn't this considered fraud? I understand that there are people who truly need a help up but when a person qualifies strictly because of the amount of children they have? Why should I have to struggle to feed my one child because they can milk the system? It makes me wonder how many other totally capable families are taking advantage of me! Here I am working my tail off 8 hours every day, barely making it with my husband also working 50 hours a week for this person to take advantage of the tax payer because she can! She is more than able to buy her groceries and school lunches for her kids. It burns the crap out of me! I keep asking my husband "why am I working?" Report her, that is fraud and you are paying for it. No way on earth that can be right unless she lied about thier assets or marital status.
I don't think the "assets" are consider when handing out freebies..........just the income and dependents........why we see so many with "toys"........
The joke in the end ....will be on this person ..
There is a REAL ESTATE clause in Medicaid.. (or what ever they call it in your state) that when you die, and IF you own property , homes, ect.. the government may swoop in and seize your property..
The ACA lady confirmed this with a fellow co-worker.. she didn't believe me.
That's the exact reason I won't take the free/subsidized health care that I qualify for...
and I choose to be without insurance..
I worked too hard to get what I have , just so the government can take it as "repayment" when I die!
Aint nothing free...
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Speaking of "jobless benefits" I have a better idea. Since the progressives love to use the term "investment" when it comes to handing out money to losers like Solyndra and Tessla, as well as unemployment, why don't we "invest" in better pay and benefits for our soldiers? They love to chirp about things like minimum wage.......how about raising the minimum wage for our troops? Why don't we see Obozo and his ilk out on the stump pushing for this? How's that for an "investment"? | |
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   Location: SW New Mexico | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-20 11:54 AM
Speaking of "jobless benefits" I have a better idea. Since the progressives love to use the term "investment" when it comes to handing out money to losers like Solyndra and Tessla, as well as unemployment, why don't we "invest" in better pay and benefits for our soldiers? They love to chirp about things like minimum wage.......how about raising the minimum wage for our troops? Why don't we see Obozo and his ilk out on the stump pushing for this? How's that for an "investment"?
And did I hear right, we are sending MORE money to Iran?
For what?? We've sent millions and millions of dollars over there already.
again... for what????
While the Dems voted away veteran benefits, and illegals get anything desired handed over to them??
But our own citizens have to jump through hoops just to get a driver's license??
Our borders are a open mess...
It isn't safe to travel here in the southwest, there are warning signs about "illegal activity" all along the US roads here...
Instead of enforcing laws, border patrol is ordered to stand down.. let them in, and they get unemployment $$$$, food stamps, free medical...and welfare here...
I fear this country's lost.

Edited by jettster 2014-01-20 8:40 AM
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| See, and I see it all completely different than apparently everyone on this post. Jobless benefits, is granted, an odd way to label unemployment support. I'm sure I'll get lots of static from the crowd but I'm the first one on the unemployment payroll when I get laid off. I got laid off from my pipeline job at 9 am, and at 10 am, I had my online application done and the check in the mail. All people that have a job pay into the 'unemployment benefit' fund, and by golly, I'm getting my money back! I pay taxes on unemployment money just like a regular check, but it definitely helps to grease the skids between jobs. I've been on it 3 times with the pipeline world being what it is. No, I didn't need the money to get by. Yes, I wanted it because I had paid into it when I paid my taxes. The only thing I was sad about is that I made too much money through the year to get on food stamps. I also pay into that fund, and it would be really nice to see some of it come home.
I guess I just figure that those funds are something that they tax me a whopping 29% EVERY YEAR for, I'm excited about the little refund that it affords me whenever I don't have a job. | |
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