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 The Bird Lady
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | Our small town feed store started recommending Powells Stock Sweet feed, made in AR , as a good 14% horse feed. The problem is the feed store owner knows as much about horses as I do about cattle. The bag has pictures of cows on it, no horses and does not say it can be fed to horses.
What is the chemical or additive they put in cattle feed that can make a horse sick and even kill them?
Is this additive listed on the ingredients list?
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Location: In Ky following Barrel Races & Walker hounds. | Monensin and Lasalodic |
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The Bird Lady
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | are these ingredients usually listed on the bag with the protein, fat, vitamin content?
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| The "monensin sodium" can also be listed as "Rumensin". "Lasalocid" as "Bovatec". |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Rumensin. If it's an ingredient, not only does it have to be on the label, but the label should have a big, bright, PINK or RED stripe down the middle. Those are drugs and require a drug label. That said, I'm guessing it's an all purpose/all stock feed, meaning it WILL NOT have the drug label, and should not only NOT have drug in it, but should be made AFTER a flush run through the mixer.
Anytime you get a feed made at a multi-species mill, you will run the risk of feed testing for trace amounts of any drugs that they use in that mill, as only one flush is required by law. And it takes less than ONE gram to kill the average sized horse. That's why I don't use my own rations for my own horse feed. I buy from an equine only mill.
Bovatec isn't nearly as dangerous as Rumensin, but neither should be consumed by horses or any other non-ruminant.
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Location: Kansas | I have heard they can't handle Urea not sure if that's how it is spelled. I think that's it is added to both cattle feed and the protein. |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | mcdaniel14 - 2014-01-03 4:41 PM
I have heard they can't handle Urea not sure if that's how it is spelled. I think that's it is added to both cattle feed and the protein.
They can't have urea in large amounts, but bodies naturally make urea with excess nitrates in the body-- it's secreted through the urinary tract. Urea is what is used as protein in a lot of cattle feeds because it's cheap and very digestable. But cattle too can get too much.
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sometimes they will use a different name for the urea-seems like it's something like nitrogen by product. It will either say urea or some word with nitrogen in its name.
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| I have never seen a sweet feed specifically made for cows ... there have been a lot of cheap sweet horse feeds with high fiber content also fed to cattle ... BTW: Powell's Feed Mill only lists a 12% feed by the name you gave ...
I love the last paragraph in this article ....>> Good old FDA is on the job ... never fear!! .. lol
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/08/08/the-drugs-in... |
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The Bird Lady
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-03 5:57 PM
I have never seen a sweet feed specifically made for cows ... there have been a lot of cheap sweet horse feeds with high fiber content also fed to cattle ... BTW: Powell's Feed Mill only lists a 12% feed by the name you gave ...
I love the last paragraph in this article ....>> Good old FDA is on the job ... never fear!! .. lol
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/08/08/the-drugs-in...
Well, I read the label and I swore it said 14%.
I will take a camera to the store tomorrow when I go to town and take a photo of the bag for you.
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 Ima Non Controversial Girl
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Location: where the wind blows | RockinGR - 2014-01-03 3:37 PM Rumensin. If it's an ingredient, not only does it have to be on the label, but the label should have a big, bright, PINK or RED stripe down the middle. Those are drugs and require a drug label. That said, I'm guessing it's an all purpose/all stock feed, meaning it WILL NOT have the drug label, and should not only NOT have drug in it, but should be made AFTER a flush run through the mixer. Anytime you get a feed made at a multi-species mill, you will run the risk of feed testing for trace amounts of any drugs that they use in that mill, as only one flush is required by law. And it takes less than ONE gram to kill the average sized horse. That's why I don't use my own rations for my own horse feed. I buy from an equine only mill. Bovatec isn't nearly as dangerous as Rumensin, but neither should be consumed by horses or any other non-ruminant.
I agree with this. If they make cattle rations as well with rumen sin you can run the risk of contamination if the mill isn't cleaned properly. A friend of mines dad lostlost somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 brood mares some 30 years ago when the horse ration he bought was made and the previous cattle ration hadn't been thoroughly cleaned.
I asked my vet once how much rumen sin it took to kill a horse as when I married my husband he was feeding it to our cattle. Vet held out his palm and pointed to a small dot on it and said 'about that much'. We no longer feed any cattle rations with rumen sin in it. It's not allowed on our farm yard. |
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| There may be more than one but I know Urea is one. They put a lot more of it in cattle feed than what a horse is supposed to be able to handle.
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Location: lone star state | Read the label. Usually the tags will say " for rumenants only " in bold letters. Also do you recognize the ingrediants. If not steer clear. Also look for terms like " all natural" that indicates safe for horses. |
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Location: SE Kansas | Urea |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | It's been alot of years ago, but Dan (who never throws anything away) rinsed out a couple of lick tubs the cattle had and was going to use them as water tanks for some temporary horse pens. Sure enough, within a couple of days something leached out of the plastic and formed a sheen on the water. Just wanted to throw that out there as a lesson learned for someone else.......
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Location: In a happy place | I thought it was urea. |
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Location: Centerville, TN | Years ago, my dad by mistake feed my horse cow feed instead of his normal feed. We almost lost that horse. Just from one feeding, it caused liver damage. He lost weight, wouldn't eat or drink and had no energy. At first we didn't know what or why this was happening. We were walking the field to look for funny weeds or brush that we hadn't seen before and then dad remember what he had done. It took some doing but my vet saved him and he lived to his mid 20's.
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 The Non Sky Diver
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Location: SE Louisiana | sorrel horse ranch - 2014-01-03 8:55 PM
I thought it was urea.
Dunno what else can't have that but dairy goats react badly to it. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | teehaha - 2014-01-03 8:54 PM It's been alot of years ago, but Dan (who never throws anything away) rinsed out a couple of lick tubs the cattle had and was going to use them as water tanks for some temporary horse pens. Sure enough, within a couple of days something leached out of the plastic and formed a sheen on the water. Just wanted to throw that out there as a lesson learned for someone else.......
OH MY! I hadn't thought about this. Thank you for putting this out!!!! |
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Location: Arkansas | Cotton seed meal is toxic to horses as well.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Rumensin. Had angry hunters poison a herd of our pastured broodies with it. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2014-01-04 12:32 AM teehaha - 2014-01-03 8:54 PM It's been alot of years ago, but Dan (who never throws anything away) rinsed out a couple of lick tubs the cattle had and was going to use them as water tanks for some temporary horse pens. Sure enough, within a couple of days something leached out of the plastic and formed a sheen on the water. Just wanted to throw that out there as a lesson learned for someone else.......
OH MY! I hadn't thought about this. Thank you for putting this out!!!!
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What is the additive they put in cattle feed that makes horses sick and can kill them?