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Location: Kansas | ....who are funding your extended vacation. Seems as a birthday present to his wife Barry O came home with the girls but Michelle stayed. Air Force One, entourage, daily expenses......all after a two-week multi-million dollar vacation with her family. Seems there is no end to the luxuries the Obama's love and the rest of us can't afford.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Here we go again....Without mentioning any "specific" names, I really think that you NEED to do a little research on PAST Presidents and the amount of time and dollars spent on their vacations...... Just saying....... | |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2014-01-05 6:22 PM Here we go again....Without mentioning any "specific" names, I really think that you NEED to do a little research on PAST Presidents and the amount of time and dollars spent on their vacations...... Just saying.......
No past president has been sitting on a 17 trillion dollar debt with no end in sight as far as out-of-control spending. Huge difference.
Wouldn't we all love to be in Hawaii. It's minus 2 degrees here.
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| Went out and did a little research. It seems that his employer, us, pays for his and her extended vacations. Does not cost them a dime. My employer has never sent me on an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii, has yours? He is not concerned about the national debt, he has said that. I'm not too worried about it either because it will never be lowered to any degree in my lifetime, but my children and grandchildren will pay the price. So for that I am concerned. The only way to stop this dictatorship is too vote to give the GOP control of the Senate in November. Please people, wake up! | |
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Location: Gonzales texas | I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!! | |
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| Exactly! They did not come from money and have never lived high on the hog until now, at our expense. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | shelltc - 2014-01-06 8:01 AM I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!!
—14: Number of vacation trips taken by Obama since he took office in January 2009. —92: Number of days, all or in part, Obama has spent on vacation. —57: Number of vacation trips taken by Bush at this same point in his presidency. —50: Number of visits Bush made to his ranch in Crawford, Texas. —323: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent at the ranch. —7: Number of trips Bush made to his family’s compound in Kennebunkport, Maine. —26: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent in Maine. Unfortunately you SHOULD do a little research before making statements........Of course, this comparison is only up to August of 2013 so it doesn't include this past trip. Hawaii is a STATE just like TX was for Bush......just warmer........
Additionally, I applaud the person who said....get out and make sure "your" member of Congress is elected in fall 2014.......
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Location: Florida.. | Frodo - 2014-01-06 7:46 AM NJJ - 2014-01-05 6:22 PM Here we go again....Without mentioning any "specific" names, I really think that you NEED to do a little research on PAST Presidents and the amount of time and dollars spent on their vacations...... Just saying.......
Wouldn't we all love to be in Hawaii. It's minus 2 degrees here.
Have to agree with this.. the times have changed and we are in deep trouble and to many have lost everything thanks to obama.. slap in the face.. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. | |
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| Its the lavishness of his vacations. Golf resorts costing $78,000 a day, skiing in Aspen. And the split vacations or trips where we are charged doubly for secret service, transportation, lodging like when the daughters went to Atlantis in the Bahamas and when Michelle went to Spain and Europe, by herself. I think we have to take the whole family's trips into account. At least when Bush went home to Texas, he was chopping wood and I'm pretty sure they didn't have to bill us for lodging, meals, entertainment. Sorry, but no comparison. The Obamas are enjoying living like fatcats and you know it. | |
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| Our country was created on the belief that we can all be whatever we are willing to work hard enough to be. When did it start being acceptable that a few of us would get up early, go to work, pay our taxes and hand it over to the government to hand to the ones not willing to get up and go to work everyday. Do we as a country really agree that expanding the limits to qualify for Welfare, extending unemployment benefits is the way to go? I for one expect that if you are able bodied, you should work and not expect the rest of us to keep you up. I don't mind and do give to charity, when someone is down, but I don't expect them to make it a life choice to live on someone elses dollar. And to call the ones of us out there working everyday, THE HAVES! Yes, I have. I have a check I get twice a month which is hardly enough to get by on and I'm sorry but I'm not willing to hand over any bigger portion of it to provide someone with health insurance or food stamps or a Welfare check. That's not being greedy or coldhearted. It's survival. I take care of me and mine, and you do the same. Are there people who really don't mind higher taxes and higher insurance rates, deductibles and co-pays, just so the HAVE NOTS can have what we have? Then those people must have a whole different lifestyle than mine. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us.
 However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here, Norma, listen to this. I think this addresses what you and I are saying, when you really think about it. This is very well stated and thought-provoking. Dhdqhllc sent me this on FB:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52b_1329796059
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 10:41 AM Here, Norma, listen to this. I think this addresses what you and I are saying, when you really think about it. This is very well stated and thought-provoking. Dhdqhllc sent me this on FB:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52b_1329796059
A good "listen"....The party system boils down to lies and POWER....pretty much sums it up....I agreed almost to the end until Ron Paul was suggested....hmmmm....not so sure about that.....LOL | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Whether you like him or not, it's hard to call Paul's honesty and sincerity into question. That is very rare and refreshing in today's politics. | |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2014-01-06 10:28 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL
I did my job. I voted for Mitt Romney and will continue to vote for those who believe in curbing spending and giving some tax relief to those of us who lose 40% of our paycheck every payday.
I'm not "tempted" to take lavish vacations. I can't afford to take lavish vacations. | |
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Location: Florida.. | I dont even read them anymore.. I did a fly by and posted after I read it. I did my job to and will do so at voting time.. I dont even blink to much at what Obama is doing. hes done enough damage . | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2014-01-06 11:19 AM NJJ - 2014-01-06 10:28 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL
I'm not "tempted" to take lavish vacations. I can't afford to take lavish vacations.
Frodo I wasn't saying that lavish vacations per se' are tempting. I was saying it is tempting to direct your energy and angst at his vacations and lavish lifestyle. While we might all agree that it is excess and even a bit trashy, it's pointless to direct your energy and efforts at that kind of thing. That would be a successful diversion away from things that are so much more meaningful and germane. We all agree on certain things:
-ObamaCare is a travesty and a mess.
-Tax reform is long overdue:
- Social Security needs to be drastically revised/transitioned into something much better.
-Medicare is going broke.
-Term limits are desperately needed.
-We need to re-think our foreign policy and foreign aid policy.
-We need secure borders and we need to deal with the illegals already here.
-States rights and state soverignty needs restoration.
-Government needs to stay the hell out of our business, our bedrooms, our diets, or medicne cabinets, and our refigerators.
-Budgetary discipline is sorely needed.
-We need to redouble efforts at energy independence.
And others.....
Don't fall into the trap of focusing on these other ugly sideshows. That's what the policians want us to do. They (BOTH PARTIES) get scared when we direct our efforts at pushing for these REAL issues to be addressed.
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Location: Baden, PA | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 1:47 PM Frodo - 2014-01-06 11:19 AM NJJ - 2014-01-06 10:28 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 9:51 AM NJJ is right. I would prefer to focus on the real substantive things with this bunch. For example, on FB I get this feed from a group called "Politicus USA" or something like that. I see everything from the point of view of the extreme left, and it is full of hatred, gross distortions, half truths, and flat-out lies. I read it and at first it makes my blood boil, then I calm down and actually start to think. Yesterday, there was a thread on there where they were talking about another "far right" group that supposedly posted some ugly racist poster of Obama with a noose around his neck. I couldn't verify whether it was real (the group, that is) or fabricated, but that got them all agitated and reeling against the far right. The "racist" accusations started to spew out, but there was very little in terms of factual information. I decided to get into get in there and post. I felt like a goldfish in a school of pirhanas. I carefully, and irrefutably pointed out how GW Bush was hung in effigy and how there were posters calling for his execution and how GW Bush was a "war criminal" and deserved to be hung, etc.... I asked them to google it and see for themselves. I also pointed out that many people around the world are calling Obama a war criminal for his use of drones to kill terrorists and how innocents were also killed. They tried to turn it around by saying that the GOP was the party of racism, etc... Of course, I pointed out how it was the Democrat party that was the source of most racists in the 50s and 60s and named several prominent Dem leaders and pointed out there blatant brazen racism.....Wallace, Fullbright, Byrd, and several others. I also pointed out how it was the GOP that overwhelmingly voted for the 14th ammendment.....the Dems who overwhelmingly supported the fugitive slave laws of the 1850s, Lincoln was a Republican, and how the GOP was why the civil rights act was voted into law. I pointed out how liberal racism was being used even today and used the example of Mitt Romney and his Black grandaughter and how it was a liberal MSNBC commentator who made the remarks. I ended up by saying, something like "Look folks, we are all citizens of the same country, and yet we are divided like never before. If we don't start to look at things more objectively and genuinely begin to discuss problems and issues we will keep circling the drain......" Many people engaged me and I just came back with facts, etc... I even got a few "thumbs up", but for the most part they just went on with baseless accusations and heresay. I have to say, when I was finished over there, I felt pretty good!
It's easy to get all agitated about things like the Hawaii vacation, but it really just kind of weakens our credibility in a way. There is a treasure trove of issues on which we can focus sharply and make some headway. If we all fall into the trap of just slinging barbs at things that are comparatively insignificant, then we are playing into the Obamunists hands. I think that's what they want. Anything to take the focus off the real meaty issues like ObamaCare, etc.... Sure, Obama's vacations and lavish lifestyle is tempting; I fall into that trap myself, but if we get all focused on those sorts of thing, it accomplishes exactly what the Obamunists want and takes the focus off things that matter most to all of us. However, I am afraid that your insight is falling on DEAF ears because it is sooooooo much easier to sit on the computer and p*ff and moan about the President and his trips and play the "blame game" than to ACTUALLY try to do something about the issues that ARE important......You can liken it to a dog chasing his tail.......probably never going to catch it.........LOL
I'm not "tempted" to take lavish vacations. I can't afford to take lavish vacations.
-ObamaCare is a travesty and a mess.
-Tax reform is long overdue:
- Social Security needs to be drastically revised/transitioned into something much better.
-Medicare is going broke.
-Term limits are desperately needed.
-We need to re-think our foreign policy and foreign aid policy.
-We need secure borders and we need to deal with the illegals already here.
-States rights and state soverignty needs restoration.
-Government needs to stay the hell out of our business, our bedrooms, our diets, or medicne cabinets, and our refigerators.
-Budgetary discipline is sorely needed.
-We need to redouble efforts at energy independence.
And others.....
Don't fall into the trap of focusing on these other ugly sideshows. That's what the policians want us to do. They (BOTH PARTIES) get scared when we direct our efforts at pushing for these REAL issues to be addressed.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | This is what we need to worry about next..............more class warfare............income inequality..........all trying to get our minds off income redistribution law...........AFC.......
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/06/white-house-resets-to-income-inequality-amid-obamacare-problems/
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2014-01-05 10:31 AM shelltc - 2014-01-06 8:01 AM I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!!
—14: Number of vacation trips taken by Obama since he took office in January 2009.
—92: Number of days, all or in part, Obama has spent on vacation.
—57: Number of vacation trips taken by Bush at this same point in his presidency.
—50: Number of visits Bush made to his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
—323: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent at the ranch.
—7: Number of trips Bush made to his family’s compound in Kennebunkport, Maine.
—26: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent in Maine.
Unfortunately you SHOULD do a little research before making statements........Of course, this comparison is only up to August of 2013 so it doesn't include this past trip. Hawaii is a STATE just like TX was for Bush......just warmer........
Additionally, I applaud the person who said....get out and make sure "your" member of Congress is elected in fall 2014.......
Estimated cost for 1st ladies birthday flight.......$800,000.00..........I have a real problem with that....that is on our dime..............
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CJE - 2014-01-06 6:24 PM NJJ - 2014-01-05 10:31 AM shelltc - 2014-01-06 8:01 AM I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!!
—14: Number of vacation trips taken by Obama since he took office in January 2009.
—92: Number of days, all or in part, Obama has spent on vacation.
—57: Number of vacation trips taken by Bush at this same point in his presidency.
—50: Number of visits Bush made to his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
—323: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent at the ranch.
—7: Number of trips Bush made to his family’s compound in Kennebunkport, Maine.
—26: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent in Maine.
Unfortunately you SHOULD do a little research before making statements........Of course, this comparison is only up to August of 2013 so it doesn't include this past trip. Hawaii is a STATE just like TX was for Bush......just warmer........
Additionally, I applaud the person who said....get out and make sure "your" member of Congress is elected in fall 2014.......
And just because Bush did this or that.........doesn't make it right..........
I don't think you really want to go there.....try counting up the SEVEN Africa trips that Laura Bush took......5 by herself and 2 with him........The point is MOOT.....there is nothing to be done so why p*ff & moan.....I am with Scott on this one....far more important issues that can actually be resolved IF (and I say IF) people would spend their time electing a NEW Congress........ | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | "Bait-and-switch" is a good way of describing this VonDigger. In terms of importance and priorities, this trip out to Hawaii falls way down the list, even if it is wrong or at least unsavory.
Our government is fatally dysfunctional. It's not working the way it should. It's no longer "of the people, for the people, by the people. It is of the politicians, for the politicians, by the politicians.
Those politicians all bamboozle us just enough to vote them into this priveleged class where the same rules that apply to us do not apply to them. They all return from break and these faux wars between parties commence.....with a wink and a nod. The citizens stand by and cheer on their favorite party/congressman/senator. We get whipped up into a frenzy and froth at the mouth.....then we vote for our favorite incumbent. How do we explain the fact that, in spite of an approval rating of 15%, over 90% of incumbents are re-elected? Can anyone explain this paradox? Congress has become an elite fraternity with the same goal....self preservation. They do battle by day, and dine by night, figuratively speaking. It's no different than the WWF where these wrestlers grapple in a fake wrestling match, and make a living out of fakery.
Again, watch this video if you haven't yet. This guy sums it all up. He asks some probing questions.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52b_1329796059
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2014-01-05 7:38 PM CJE - 2014-01-06 6:24 PM NJJ - 2014-01-05 10:31 AM shelltc - 2014-01-06 8:01 AM I'm not going to bother with research! I've never heard of a president going to Hawaii for 17 days. Then leaving the first Lady there for more fun. any other president from either party would be criticized to the inth degree. Some of my friends health care just went up 60 to 98%. I've never heard of that either. And on it goes ... And he needs to go !! Actually we d be better off if he stayed in Hawaii for the next 3 years!!
—14: Number of vacation trips taken by Obama since he took office in January 2009.
—92: Number of days, all or in part, Obama has spent on vacation.
—57: Number of vacation trips taken by Bush at this same point in his presidency.
—50: Number of visits Bush made to his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
—323: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent at the ranch.
—7: Number of trips Bush made to his family’s compound in Kennebunkport, Maine.
—26: Number of days, all or in part, Bush spent in Maine.
Unfortunately you SHOULD do a little research before making statements........Of course, this comparison is only up to August of 2013 so it doesn't include this past trip. Hawaii is a STATE just like TX was for Bush......just warmer........
Additionally, I applaud the person who said....get out and make sure "your" member of Congress is elected in fall 2014.......
And just because Bush did this or that.........doesn't make it right..........
Point is it does not make it right........it is time for someone to start making it right in Washington.........no really going there......point............ | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. | |
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Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government.
Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2014-01-06 8:48 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does.
JB I'm not known as someone very likely to give Obozo a pass on anything, and I'm certainly not apathetic. All I was trying to say is even if this seems like something worthy of criticism, I just hope we can focus on the things that are of critical importance. There's plenty of that! | |
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Location: oklahoma | I agree that Benghazi et all has been steeped under the rug by these diversions, I.e. Vacations but if this is what keeps some riled up, stay riled! Better than laying down which is what's been happening in the past. | |
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HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM
Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government.
Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does.
JB, you are correct. And I could not agree with you more. Your history is correct to boot! Laura Bush's trips to Africa were not personal vacations!
The turth of the matter is this Current Adminstration is so incompenent and sorry that 'They' make Jimmy Carter and The Peanut Farmer Adminstration's actions look like Certified Geniuses!
Your assessment of the HBL and NJJ's views being short sighted is dead on. Anything that or any action that continues to get the Voting Public's Attention and exposure to these Bonehead's Incompetence is a good thing. This idea cannot be disputed! | |
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Location: Kansas | To deserve a vacation, especially a multi-million dollar one, you need to "earn" it. By my calculations I will lose my company medical insurance just about the time the Obama family is ready for their next Hawaiian vacation. I'm sure they'll feel quite guilty as they're frolicking on the beach.
Isn't this, by the way, the president who was going to be a better man and more fair than past presidents. Didn't he campaign on that? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | foundation horse - 2014-01-07 6:56 AM jbhoot - 2014-01-06 8:48 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does. JB, you are correct. And I could not agree with you more. Your history is correct to boot! Laura Bush's trips to Africa were not personal vacations! The turth of the matter is this Current Adminstration is so incompenent and sorry that 'They' make Jimmy Carter and The Peanut Farmer Adminstration's actions look like Certified Geniuses! Your assessment of the HBL and NJJ's views being short sighted is dead on. Anything that or any action that continues to get the Voting Public's Attention and exposure to these Bonehead's Incompetence is a good thing. This idea cannot be disputed!
Nice to see you Clay, but you completely miss my point. My reference to Laura Bush was facetious. I knew why she went to Africa, and it wasn't for a vacation. What is so hard to comprehend here? I too am miffed by the excesses, HOWEVER, by comparison, this misuse of taxpayer funds is nothing compared to the huge problems we are facing. If we want to get all up in arms over something, then I say we direct our vitriol toward any number of huge looming issues. To get mad, simply for the purpose of venting rage, is exactly what they want to see. Sure, go ahead and show your outrage, but then I say redirect your energy to things that matter most.
This serves as a diversion away from things like ObamaCare. This administration is feeling the heat from all directions on ObamaCare....to funnel the focus away from the big issues is exactly what they want. This tactic is time honored from domestic quarrels to football, to the battlefield.
Did you happen to watch Judge Napalitano's video?
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | Seems like they get lots of 'passes'...actually, what haven't they gotten a 'pass' on?
Name something that he, they, have been held accountable for.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | musikmaker - 2014-01-07 8:10 AM Seems like they get lots of 'passes'...actually, what haven't they gotten a 'pass' on?
Name something that he, they, have been held accountable for.
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| Through out our history there have been adminitstrations that took liberty with vacations and personal expenses. Wouldn't it be refreshing to get someone in there who views the presidency not as a "privledge" but rather a "Duty."
George Washington did not want to serve, later it was written that the best person to hold office is the reluctant person. The person who finds themselves there because it was the will of the people. You have to wonder about how hard and how long some of these men/women have held onto Senate/House seats. It will make a ordinary person into an instant millionaire.
We need serious term limit/reforms but it won't happen. Not in our lifetime.
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 7:15 AM musikmaker - 2014-01-07 8:10 AM Seems like they get lots of 'passes'...actually, what haven't they gotten a 'pass' on?
Name something that he, they, have been held accountable for.
Nothing that I can think of!
I agree that nitpicking isn't working, but, nothing is...Idk what to think really. The elitist attitude is creating more distrust & resentment, hopefully across the aisle, but, these people don't care...they sold out long ago & are nothing more than puppets at this point (imo). I could be wrong, of course, however, I just cannot relate to them in any way! I've even considered that perhaps they're doing us a favor by giving us so much to think about...to dig for. People are actually reading the Constitution! Yeehaw! I never thought I'd see that.
It's embarrassing to our Nation that they thumb their noses like they do at the tax payer. The rest of the world is watching & wondering what happened to our spine...the great American Principle. What we have in the White House truly does represent the majority at this point...and what we've forgotten is that the majority is not supposed to rule...we have 'individual inalienable rights'. But...only if we demand it one person at a time.
There are consequences to everything...from them taking advantage of their position to us not doing anything about it.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 8:03 AM foundation horse - 2014-01-07 6:56 AM jbhoot - 2014-01-06 8:48 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does. JB, you are correct. And I could not agree with you more. Your history is correct to boot! Laura Bush's trips to Africa were not personal vacations! The turth of the matter is this Current Adminstration is so incompenent and sorry that 'They' make Jimmy Carter and The Peanut Farmer Adminstration's actions look like Certified Geniuses! Your assessment of the HBL and NJJ's views being short sighted is dead on. Anything that or any action that continues to get the Voting Public's Attention and exposure to these Bonehead's Incompetence is a good thing. This idea cannot be disputed!
This serves as a diversion away from things like ObamaCare. This administration is feeling the heat from all directions on ObamaCare....to funnel the focus away from the big issues is exactly what they want. This tactic is time honored from domestic quarrels to football, to the battlefield.
Did you happen to watch Judge Napalitano's video?
Just to correct the record...YES, one of the trips was also a VACATION that she took her daughters on the very expensive safari (the same one that was canceled for Obama).....
I may be short sighted but I can tell you that the continual "short sided" rants about Obama and HIS spending does nothing more than P*FF off the "liberals" and shoots the Republicans in the foot AGAIN.......How well did that work for you in the last election? Instead of making "meaningless posts" about something that you can do NOTHING about, we should be bringing the important issues to the forefront and the discussing the candidates that need to be elected.....You just MIGHT "sway" a liberal or two to your side....and face it....We NEED the liberals to vote in a new CONGRESS ! ! ! ! But carry on......it has worked so well for you in the past........ | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-01-07 7:34 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 8:03 AM foundation horse - 2014-01-07 6:56 AM jbhoot - 2014-01-06 8:48 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does. JB, you are correct. And I could not agree with you more. Your history is correct to boot! Laura Bush's trips to Africa were not personal vacations! The turth of the matter is this Current Adminstration is so incompenent and sorry that 'They' make Jimmy Carter and The Peanut Farmer Adminstration's actions look like Certified Geniuses! Your assessment of the HBL and NJJ's views being short sighted is dead on. Anything that or any action that continues to get the Voting Public's Attention and exposure to these Bonehead's Incompetence is a good thing. This idea cannot be disputed!
This serves as a diversion away from things like ObamaCare. This administration is feeling the heat from all directions on ObamaCare....to funnel the focus away from the big issues is exactly what they want. This tactic is time honored from domestic quarrels to football, to the battlefield.
Did you happen to watch Judge Napalitano's video?
I may be short sighted but I can tell you that the continual "short sided" rants about Obama and HIS spending does nothing more than P*FF off the "liberals" and shoots the Republicans in the foot AGAIN.......How well did that work for you in the last election? Instead of making "meaningless posts" about something that you can do NOTHING about, we should be bringing the important issues to the forefront and the discussing the candidates that need to be elected.....You just MIGHT "sway" a liberal or two to your side....and face it....We NEED the liberals to vote in a new CONGRESS ! ! ! ! But carry on......it has worked so well for you in the past........
Although I do understand exactly what you're saying I don't think it's ok to be 'bullied' into keeping quiet, fear is a great motivator...for most. If we're afraid to speak our mind because someone is small enough to vote out of spite then they get what they deserve, too.
Jeez, none of us gave birth to those people! How weird are we that once we 'make up our minds' we become deaf & blind to the truth? Lol...the masses are small minded.
I sure don't want to p*ff off the libs! They're mean when they're p*ffed...they'll cut off their nose to spite their face. Honestly, I don't think too many ppl vote according to what one 'side' says about the other. At least not intelligent folks. And there is intelligence on both 'sides'..the problem is that too many think we can fix our problems with more rules & regulations. They're looking for 'Big Daddy' to get out the belt & beat us into submission...it's a wonderful excuse to avoid personal responsibility.
"There outta be a law". Well, we have plenty to choose from now!
I don't see thinking people as having a need to be 'babied' through the process, therefore, I don't believe I can 'sway' anyone with words.
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Location: North Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 8:03 AM
foundation horse - 2014-01-07 6:56 AM jbhoot - 2014-01-06 8:48 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does. JB, you are correct. And I could not agree with you more. Your history is correct to boot! Laura Bush's trips to Africa were not personal vacations! The turth of the matter is this Current Adminstration is so incompenent and sorry that 'They' make Jimmy Carter and The Peanut Farmer Adminstration's actions look like Certified Geniuses! Your assessment of the HBL and NJJ's views being short sighted is dead on. Anything that or any action that continues to get the Voting Public's Attention and exposure to these Bonehead's Incompetence is a good thing. This idea cannot be disputed!
This serves as a diversion away from things like ObamaCare. This administration is feeling the heat from all directions on ObamaCare....to funnel the focus away from the big issues is exactly what they want. This tactic is time honored from domestic quarrels to football, to the battlefield.
Did you happen to watch Judge Napalitano's video?
I can see your point and do not disagree with it in theory and principle. However, My Point Stands, in the context that any kind of illegimate behavior or actions from this 'bunch' brings more microscopical scrutiny into ALL their actions and decisions. This is a GOOD THING! | |
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| Krauthammer said it perfectly when he said Obama acts like someone on a Whitehouse tour who stumbled into the Oval office and thinks they're President. LOVE IT!
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9K9EqcgwTc&feature=youtu.be
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/five-economic-reforms-millennials-should-be-fighting-for-20140103
I'm pretty sure I'd have a hard time 'swaying' this communal thinking lib.
Here's what The Fox said...(new computer...puts things where it wants...ugh.)
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LOL...It's not your computer....it does it when I add links too......and I can't "highlight, change font, or anything else" when I reply to a thread......carry on........ | |
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Two words: "Socialist Utopia".
That sums up the ultimate goal of the progressives. The Rolling Stone isn't usually what comes to mind when I think of solutions or fiscal matters. This Rolling Stone editorial writer sounds like he is trying to appeal to the younger voters when he espouses a socialist utopia model. This offers some insight into Obama's proclaimed agenda of income equality, etc... in the coming year. In reality, what he is really trying to do is lure the young, disenfranchised, pis$ed off voters back into his camp. Right now, because of the lies and deceptions related to ObamaCare, most young people diapprove of the job Obozo is doing. There has been a huge shift in numbers among the youth. Obama's approval numbers have hovered in the 40s for quite some time. The hardcore left makes up at least 40% of the voters in this country. When you see Obama's numbers approaching 40% you know he's in self-preservation mode, because Obama can poop on them and they would still adore the man.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | musikmaker - 2014-01-06 9:10 AM Seems like they get lots of 'passes'...actually, what haven't they gotten a 'pass' on?
Name something that he, they, have been held accountable for.
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Location: Florida.. | foundation horse - 2014-01-07 10:29 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 8:03 AM foundation horse - 2014-01-07 6:56 AM jbhoot - 2014-01-06 8:48 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 8:28 PM Why did Laura Bush go to Africa? Just curious. I can't imagine it was a birthday present! LOL Isn't this Obozo's birthday present to Michelle?
OK....see, I've fallen into the trap! All kidding aside, I hope Michele gets on AF1 and keeps flying around the world for the next 1000 days or so!
Maybe then we can focus on tyranny and a dysfunctional government. Mrs. Bush went as the representative of the President and the USA in the HIV/Aid program and for the betterment of women and their education.....hardly a vacation. I do agree there a more important things to worry about however if how much this president and his wife spend on a vacation motivates someone to get off there rear and vote than let them B**** away. Dismissing them just because you and NJJ think it is moot I think is vary short sited. I do not care what motivates anyone as long as they vote. Apathy will kill this country before anything else does. JB, you are correct. And I could not agree with you more. Your history is correct to boot! Laura Bush's trips to Africa were not personal vacations! The turth of the matter is this Current Adminstration is so incompenent and sorry that 'They' make Jimmy Carter and The Peanut Farmer Adminstration's actions look like Certified Geniuses! Your assessment of the HBL and NJJ's views being short sighted is dead on. Anything that or any action that continues to get the Voting Public's Attention and exposure to these Bonehead's Incompetence is a good thing. This idea cannot be disputed!
This serves as a diversion away from things like ObamaCare. This administration is feeling the heat from all directions on ObamaCare....to funnel the focus away from the big issues is exactly what they want. This tactic is time honored from domestic quarrels to football, to the battlefield.
Did you happen to watch Judge Napalitano's video?
I can see your point and do not disagree with it in theory and principle. However, My Point Stands, in the context that any kind of illegimate behavior or actions from this 'bunch' brings more microscopical scrutiny into ALL their actions and decisions. This is a GOOD THING!
agree.. we used to not want to shut up .. get it all Out there.. small is big in the realm of things. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's another way of looking at this. We all have certain limits when it comes to discussing or debating a given topic in the course of a given day. Let's say I have an hour of free time where I can come on here or some social media site and get engaged with others over a particular issue. Let's say we have three ongoing threads, each discussing a particular issue. One is federal tax reform, the next is term limits, and the third is the obscene luxurious trips taken by the Obamas at taxpayer expense. Personally, I would prefer term limits and/or tax reform over Obama vacations. Why? Simple.....because there is nothing to discuss! Everyone agrees on matters such at this where there is lavish spending at taxpayer's expense. What's there to debate? There's plenty to discuss about tax reform and term limits. All I have to say about Michele's "birthday present" at taxpayer expense is "hmpfffff!!!" I won't take the bait. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 11:24 AM Here's another way of looking at this. We all have certain limits when it comes to discussing or debating a given topic in the course of a given day. Let's say I have an hour of free time where I can come on here or some social media site and get engaged with others over a particular issue. Let's say we have three ongoing threads, each discussing a particular issue. One is federal tax reform, the next is term limits, and the third is the obscene luxurious trips taken by the Obamas at taxpayer expense. Personally, I would prefer term limits and/or tax reform over Obama vacations. Why? Simple.....because there is nothing to discuss! Everyone agrees on matters such at this where there is lavish spending at taxpayer's expense. What's there to debate? There's plenty to discuss about tax reform and term limits. All I have to say about Michele's "birthday present" at taxpayer expense is "hmpfffff!!!" I won't take the bait.
Once again we as a nation need to hold all of "them" accountable and that is something that has not been done..........and something we can start in 2014..........maybe a little post like this will get someone less involved in the political process interested in making a difference....
It is an $800,000.00 birthday gift from us...........
But to criticize for someone posting......I disagree.........someone may not be as news worthy as the rest and leaned something is my point........
Term limits.........it would take more than hell freezing over............for that to happen.......but we got close last night! | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 9:10 AM Two words: "Socialist Utopia".
That sums up the ultimate goal of the progressives. The Rolling Stone isn't usually what comes to mind when I think of solutions or fiscal matters. This Rolling Stone editorial writer sounds like he is trying to appeal to the younger voters when he espouses a socialist utopia model. This offers some insight into Obama's proclaimed agenda of income equality, etc... in the coming year. In reality, what he is really trying to do is lure the young, disenfranchised, pis$ed off voters back into his camp. Right now, because of the lies and deceptions related to ObamaCare, most young people diapprove of the job Obozo is doing. There has been a huge shift in numbers among the youth. Obama's approval numbers have hovered in the 40s for quite some time. The hardcore left makes up at least 40% of the voters in this country. When you see Obama's numbers approaching 40% you know he's in self-preservation mode, because Obama can poop on them and they would still adore the man.
Thanks for sharing this, Joy. That Schapiro is one bright young man.
(Thankx Njj...at least I know I'm not 'completely' crazy!)
I like to stay up on what other's are thinking, mainly because I truly believe that we all have something to bring to the table...and where there's smoke there's fire! I even try to imagine if some of these ideas can work. IS capitalism the problem?
It's so complicated, yet, so simple...and everything is related, from religion, politics, physchology, phylosophy, greed, good & evil. It would be wonderful if socialism worked! How simple that would be...unfortunately, it just doesn't.
It cannot.
So where do we go? What do we do?
We don't even have a real voice in our own small communities! How can we ever hope to have a voice in National issues? The only way is through our Congressmen & our Sheriffs. That is where the real power lies.
And...like it or not, we MUST get off the do-gooder bandwagon! I know sooooo many people who would back the Tea Party IF they'd get off the far right religious stuff. There is a platform that would unite the citizens...one that truly embraces Freedom & Liberty...as at this point they all espouse 'certain' freedoms, but, not ALL.
We don't/can't trust each other. Too many of those in 'power' have used their positions for personal gain...and I'm not just speaking of politicians.
It's a dog eat dog world & no amount of legislation is going to change that!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | CJE - 2014-01-07 10:36 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 11:24 AM Here's another way of looking at this. We all have certain limits when it comes to discussing or debating a given topic in the course of a given day. Let's say I have an hour of free time where I can come on here or some social media site and get engaged with others over a particular issue. Let's say we have three ongoing threads, each discussing a particular issue. One is federal tax reform, the next is term limits, and the third is the obscene luxurious trips taken by the Obamas at taxpayer expense. Personally, I would prefer term limits and/or tax reform over Obama vacations. Why? Simple.....because there is nothing to discuss! Everyone agrees on matters such at this where there is lavish spending at taxpayer's expense. What's there to debate? There's plenty to discuss about tax reform and term limits. All I have to say about Michele's "birthday present" at taxpayer expense is "hmpfffff!!!" I won't take the bait. Once again we as a nation need to hold all of "them" accountable and that is something that has not been done..........and something we can start in 2014..........maybe a little post like this will get someone less involved in the political process interested in making a difference....
It is an $800,000.00 birthday gift from us...........
But to criticize for someone posting......I disagree.........someone may not be as news worthy as the rest and leaned something is my point........
Term limits.........it would take more than hell freezing over............for that to happen.......but we got close last night!
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| loveyatx - 2014-01-06 10:53 AM Its the lavishness of his vacations. Golf resorts costing $78,000 a day, skiing in Aspen. And the split vacations or trips where we are charged doubly for secret service, transportation, lodging like when the daughters went to Atlantis in the Bahamas and when Michelle went to Spain and Europe, by herself. I think we have to take the whole family's trips into account. At least when Bush went home to Texas, he was chopping wood and I'm pretty sure they didn't have to bill us for lodging, meals, entertainment. Sorry, but no comparison. The Obamas are enjoying living like fatcats and you know it.
Yep and Obama criticizes the wealthy. How do all these wealthy liberals continue to get away with bashing the wealthy?
And remember when the story cam out that Bush has his Texas ranch mostly self-sustainable, ie solar panels, water cisterns, etc and his ranch is more environmentally friendly than Al Gore's mansion?
Plus he did more to eradicate AIDS in Africa that any other president in history, yet he's a rich racist white man?????? | |
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Location: Florida.. | I know you didnt.. .. hbl .. just trying to say that any topic is a good thing since some others are to hard to understand. | |
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I haven't criticised anyone for posting.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-07 10:53 AM I know you didnt.. .. hbl .. just trying to say that any topic is a good thing since some others are to hard to understand.
I agree. I'm not suggesting anyone "calm down" or lighten the rhetoric. I hope people get stirred up, at Obama, AND our government in general! We are being suffocated by regulations, controls, invasion of our privacy, and taxes. More and more our government is insinuating itself into our lives and usurping power and freedom. The very people our government is ostensibly trying to help are, in many instances, harmed the most. This is why Judge Napolitano's video resonated so much with me. Getting upset over excess spending of taxpayer dollars for a birthday present is fine, and it does serve a purposes, kinda like kicking the dog. That's about all, though. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | foundation horse - 2014-01-07 11:06 AM Belittling someone or attempting to smear egg on someone's face verbally is criticism......................
Who am I belittling? Who had egg smeared on their face? | |
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Location: North Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 11:09 AM
Bibliafarm - 2014-01-07 10:53 AM I know you didnt.. .. hbl .. just trying to say that any topic is a good thing since some others are to hard to understand.
Awwww, Changing your tune now, that other people actually agree with an opposing assesment? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | foundation horse - 2014-01-07 11:10 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 11:09 AM Bibliafarm - 2014-01-07 10:53 AM I know you didnt.. .. hbl .. just trying to say that any topic is a good thing since some others are to hard to understand. Awwww, Changing your tune now, that other people actually agree with an opposing assesment?
Spit it out Clay. What are you trying to say? "Awwwww"?
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| Term Limits. I think we the people are going to have to DEMAND term limits. The politicians are never going to. We have to send the lobbyists in Washington packing. The city is full of them that have taken up residency there just to be in the Capitol everyday, pushing through their agenda on the back of some proposed bill, in return for a campaign donation. These lobbyists are getting filthy rich. If we limit terms, we get a fresh pool to start with every 4 to 6 years and maybe not so easily bought as the lifers that are there now. AND, I'm sorry, but doing a job for a short length of time, even today, if they don't get re-elected should not grant you a lifetime pension. Do any of us get that in our jobs?? That is crazy, what a waste of money, but it's one of the reasons running for office is so appealing.
This country has got so many issues that we are quilty of sitting by and letting happen, it's time to stand up. And yes, even a little issue like Lady O's vacations, hey it's a place to start. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Each section of Congress has a form of term limit....it is called "re-election"........It is the responsibility of the people of EACH state to force term limits......DON'T re-elect.......That being said, do you know why they won't? It is because that Representative or Senator is inserting the "pork barrel" into the bills to benefit THEIR state......They don't care what happens in the other states as long as the Representative or Senator takes care of THEM......Cut the "pork barrel" and see how many stay in office. | |
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Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2014-01-07 12:31 PM Each section of Congress has a form of term limit....it is called "re-election"........It is the responsibility of the people of EACH state to force term limits......DON'T re-elect.......That being said, do you know why they won't? It is because that Representative or Senator is inserting the "pork barrel" into the bills to benefit THEIR state......They don't care what happens in the other states as long as the Representative or Senator takes care of THEM......Cut the "pork barrel" and see how many stay in office.
I agree.. and if you notice.. it comes out later the benefits they are getting.. scum bags. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | NJJ - 2014-01-07 10:31 AM Each section of Congress has a form of term limit....it is called "re-election"........It is the responsibility of the people of EACH state to force term limits......DON'T re-elect.......That being said, do you know why they won't? It is because that Representative or Senator is inserting the "pork barrel" into the bills to benefit THEIR state......They don't care what happens in the other states as long as the Representative or Senator takes care of THEM......Cut the "pork barrel" and see how many stay in office.
Yup!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think what is most telling is how everyone in the media talks about how congress has such a low approval rating, like around 15%.....and yet over 90% of incumbents are just re-elected. Everyone thinks congress is so rotten....except for their congressman/woman! It just goes to show how we are being played like a cheap fiddle. This is just one reason why I am in favor of term limits. I'd like to see service in congress to be just that.....service, not a lifelong career. The trappings/"benefits" are just too addicting. I bet if there was a way of having a referrendum on term limits, it would pass by a mile. | |
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| Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it.
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| No, it isn't odd at all. There's sooo much wrong with this government the discussion could cover many different topics in the same vein.
But on the subject of just not re-electing the people in Washington, that would be easy enough if just half of the population cared enough to educate themselves on politics. The trouble is, people who are not keeping up with things, tend to vote for name recognition. That's all. They couldn't tell you one thing that person did in his last term, what he stands for , or pick him out in a line up. Therefore, we have to make term limits the rule. I've often said tongue in cheek that voters, like jurors, should have to pass some sort of competency test to have your life or your future put in their hands. Kinda scary. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM
jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it.
....and that's a good thing!
Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds. | |
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Location: Never in one place long | loveyatx - 2014-01-06 7:01 AM
Went out and did a little research. It seems that his employer, us, pays for his and her extended vacations. Does not cost them a dime. My employer has never sent me on an all expense paid vacation to Hawaii, has yours? He is not concerned about the national debt, he has said that. I'm not too worried about it either because it will never be lowered to any degree in my lifetime, but my children and grandchildren will pay the price. So for that I am concerned. The only way to stop this dictatorship is too vote to give the GOP control of the Senate in November. Please people, wake up!
You really think the GOP is going to fix things??? back and forth it goes and nothing ever changes, deeper into debt we go... dont' you get it? No one whom is "allowed" to be "voted" into office will change anything... they are put there for a reason... to accomlish the big shots agenda.... that's why Ron Paul or anyone else who could and would want to....will never make it in.... corruption!!!! | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2014-01-06 11:45 AM CJE - 2014-01-07 10:36 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-06 11:24 AM Here's another way of looking at this. We all have certain limits when it comes to discussing or debating a given topic in the course of a given day. Let's say I have an hour of free time where I can come on here or some social media site and get engaged with others over a particular issue. Let's say we have three ongoing threads, each discussing a particular issue. One is federal tax reform, the next is term limits, and the third is the obscene luxurious trips taken by the Obamas at taxpayer expense. Personally, I would prefer term limits and/or tax reform over Obama vacations. Why? Simple.....because there is nothing to discuss! Everyone agrees on matters such at this where there is lavish spending at taxpayer's expense. What's there to debate? There's plenty to discuss about tax reform and term limits. All I have to say about Michele's "birthday present" at taxpayer expense is "hmpfffff!!!" I won't take the bait. Once again we as a nation need to hold all of "them" accountable and that is something that has not been done..........and something we can start in 2014..........maybe a little post like this will get someone less involved in the political process interested in making a difference....
It is an $800,000.00 birthday gift from us...........
But to criticize for someone posting......I disagree.........someone may not be as news worthy as the rest and leaned something is my point........
Term limits.........it would take more than hell freezing over............for that to happen.......but we got close last night!
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Location: Broxton, Ga | jbhoot - 2014-01-06 2:56 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. ....and that's a good thing! Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds.
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Location: Never in one place long | RidenFly - 2014-01-07 8:28 AM
Through out our history there have been adminitstrations that took liberty with vacations and personal expenses. Wouldn't it be refreshing to get someone in there who views the presidency not as a "privledge" but rather a "Duty."
George Washington did not want to serve, later it was written that the best person to hold office is the reluctant person. The person who finds themselves there because it was the will of the people. You have to wonder about how hard and how long some of these men/women have held onto Senate/House seats. It will make a ordinary person into an instant millionaire.
We need serious term limit/reforms but it won't happen. Not in our lifetime.
Agree Agree Agree!! You are so right, Washington was a relucant person... we need more of them.. it should be considered a SERIOUS choice and duty. So sick of the LIES! | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2014-01-07 1:56 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. ....and that's a good thing! Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds.
If you go back and read through my posts I think you will understand what I was saying all along. If topics like Michelle's trip or how much they spend on their dog leads to discussions that are much more important, then I'm all for it. On the other hand, if we are trying to get more apathetic people to actually THINK about what's going on, focusing only on things like this, in and of itself, won't accomplish that, in my opinion. There's only so many ways you can say they are aloof or tacky. If we just incessantly do this and devote our time and energy to these diversions, then we will suck the oxygen out of the room and nothing will be left to devote to big, critical matters. We're on the same team, so I don't see how this seems to be an issue. Reagan attracted so-called "Reagan Democrats" because of his ideas, more than because Jimmy Carter seemed to bungle everything he touched. Time and again it is said that the real way to win elections is to be FOR something in addition to AGAINST something.
Here's what it boils down to, as far as I'm concerned. We might be able to make some headway by pointing out all the bad leadership in the White House, and pointing out how his agenda is failing, but unless we can promote specific alternatives to the status quo that makes good sense, we really can't garner support or momentum. Most people already agree that Obama has been a poor President and most people can plainly see the debacles and scandals. The way you capitalize on those opportunities is not by pointing out the obvious, rather, it's done by promoting alternative policies and an agenda that makes good sense. Take a look at ObamaCare, for example. The progressives are harping that there was never a Republican/conservative alternative proposal to fix our healthcare system. Well, as most of us know, there was! It's just that the alternatives were not advanced as aggressively as they should have been. The ObamaCare debacle is self-evident. It's taken on a life of it's own and is self-destructing. Now is the time for so-called conservative leaders to get out in front and begin to promote something better. Heck we've done that here on BHW for a long time, so why can't the Republicans? | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:33 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 1:56 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 1:25 PM jbhoot - 2014-01-07 12:41 PM Hmmmm......Isn't it curious how a discussion about the Presidents wife's vacation has evolved to a discussion on term limits.....Odd isn't it. ....and that's a good thing! Sarcasm....my friend...in reference to page one of this thread. That is why I say what ever topic that brings them to the table is a good thing....even when the subject does not interest you. The discussion is the important thing that is what may change minds.
Here's what it boils down to, as far as I'm concerned. We might be able to make some headway by pointing out all the bad leadership in the White House, and pointing out how his agenda is failing, but unless we can promote specific alternatives to the status quo that makes good sense, we really can't garner support or momentum. Most people already agree that Obama has been a poor President and most people can plainly see the debacles and scandals. The way you capitalize on those opportunities is not by pointing out the obvious, rather, it's done by promoting alternative policies and an agenda that makes good sense. Take a look at ObamaCare, for example. The progressives are harping that there was never a Republican/conservative alternative proposal to fix our healthcare system. Well, as most of us know, there was! It's just that the alternatives were not advanced as aggressively as they should have been. The ObamaCare debacle is self-evident. It's taken on a life of it's own and is self-destructing. Now is the time for so-called conservative leaders to get out in front and begin to promote something better. Heck we've done that here on BHW for a long time, so why can't the Republicans?
The biggest, most critical issues we face today are $$ issues. Waste. No, this isn't new, it started 100 years ago with the implication of the income tax...when do we finally cut off the supply? Only WE can do it. The tax payer. I don't care what others think they're owed...if you don't have it you don't have it. This is OUR money they vacation on! It's OUR money they give to other countrys...etc...we're paying for our own demise! | |
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Location: Kansas | ....and I find it sad that anyone would trivialize the incredible amount of taxpayer money (our money) the Obama's just spent on a luxury vacation and then like an in-your-face gesture Michelle stays to spend and play for a few more days. I could care less what past presidents and their wives spent on vacations. 17 trillion in debt folks. You can't bring the balance down by spending more. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2014-01-07 3:31 PM ....and I find it sad that anyone would trivialize the incredible amount of taxpayer money (our money) the Obama's just spent on a luxury vacation and then like an in-your-face gesture Michelle stays to spend and play for a few more days. I could care less what past presidents and their wives spent on vacations. 17 trillion in debt folks. You can't bring the balance down by spending more.
It's not so much that I am trivializing that kind of money. It's a matter of relative importance. Which is more important to this country? It's ALL important.....but this has far less impact than just about everything else we have discussed about when it comes to this bunch. Should we move on to Obama's golfing too much? That is a matter of grave national importance, isn't it? That costs taxpayers plenty of money as well, doesn't it? Obama has stuck his thumb in the voter's eye for 5 years. He was re-elected. WTH. We've all been b!tching about these things for 5 years......did it get us anywhere? I say we try to focus on things that really resonate with people. Look at ObamaCare, for instance. Now THAT has resonated, because that has been felt by most people up close and personal. In spite of all that has been pointed out about this bunch prior to the 2012 election, Obama picked up what? 2/3rds of the voters in the 19-29 age group? Along comes ObamaCare and all of a sudden it's personal sacrifice that is asked of young healthy people and the consequence of that has been a huge shift, to the extent that his approval numbers are well below 50% among that group.
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Location: Kansas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 4:09 PM Frodo - 2014-01-07 3:31 PM ....and I find it sad that anyone would trivialize the incredible amount of taxpayer money (our money) the Obama's just spent on a luxury vacation and then like an in-your-face gesture Michelle stays to spend and play for a few more days. I could care less what past presidents and their wives spent on vacations. 17 trillion in debt folks. You can't bring the balance down by spending more. It's not so much that I am trivializing that kind of money. It's a matter of relative importance. Which is more important to this country? It's ALL important.....but this has far less impact than just about everything else we have discussed about when it comes to this bunch. Should we move on to Obama's golfing too much? That is a matter of grave national importance, isn't it? That costs taxpayers plenty of money as well, doesn't it? Obama has stuck his thumb in the voter's eye for 5 years. He was re-elected. WTH. We've all been b!tching about these things for 5 years......did it get us anywhere? I say we try to focus on things that really resonate with people. Look at ObamaCare, for instance. Now THAT has resonated, because that has been felt by most people up close and personal. In spite of all that has been pointed out about this bunch prior to the 2012 election, Obama picked up what? 2/3rds of the voters in the 19-29 age group? Along comes ObamaCare and all of a sudden it's personal sacrifice that is asked of young healthy people and the consequence of that has been a huge shift, to the extent that his approval numbers are well below 50% among that group.
In case nobody noticed, he has announced his new focus for 2014. Anyone care to comment on that?
I totally understand where you're coming from. I guess I put equal importance on the large and small disgressions this pathetic excuse for a president piles on. Krauthammer sees Obamacare as Obama's undoing.....no way out. It will get interesting. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Now we're getting somewhere. ObamaCare is the "Holy Grail" of liberalism and it should collapse under it's own weight. This is the signature bill of progressive-liberalism, and it is a mess, with more calamity to come. We need to keep up the pressure and the focus.
The heat needs to be applied and maintained. This issue differs from almost all others because practically everyone is effected by this experiment. Nancy Pelosi's remarks that we just have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it, is turning out to be true. People across the political spectrum are being effected by this. Young kids are being effected. The stories of disaster and even tragedy are flooding the media, including the internet. 6 million people dumped from their coverage, and 2 million signed up (not PAID, but signed up). NOW those citizens previously disinterested or apathetic are beginning to get angry. The best possible thing for ObamaCare is a distraction. They would LOVE to somehow confabulate this "income redistribution/income equality" theme into something that resonates with the voters. This is why I am saying don't fall for the bait. Go ahead and express outrage at other things as they arise, but get right back into attacking this nightmare, so this REAL issue remains alive up through the mid term election. Democrats up for re-election are going to have to confront ObamaCare right alongside Republicans.
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Location: Baden, PA | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-07 6:46 PM Now we're getting somewhere. ObamaCare is the "Holy Grail" of liberalism and it should collapse under it's own weight. This is the signature bill of progressive-liberalism, and it is a mess, with more calamity to come. We need to keep up the pressure and the focus.
The heat needs to be applied and maintained. This issue differs from almost all others because practically everyone is effected by this experiment. Nancy Pelosi's remarks that we just have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it, is turning out to be true. People across the political spectrum are being effected by this. Young kids are being effected. The stories of disaster and even tragedy are flooding the media, including the internet. 6 million people dumped from their coverage, and 2 million signed up (not PAID, but signed up). NOW those citizens previously disinterested or apathetic are beginning to get angry. The best possible thing for ObamaCare is a distraction. They would LOVE to somehow confabulate this "income redistribution/income equality" theme into something that resonates with the voters. This is why I am saying don't fall for the bait. Go ahead and express outrage at other things as they arise, but get right back into attacking this nightmare, so this REAL issue remains alive up through the mid term election. Democrats up for re-election are going to have to confront ObamaCare right alongside Republicans.
The latest talk/prediction will be a debate over an ObamaCare "bailout". Keep up the heat!
Add to that Solidra, Syria, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and a few other things. I honestly think that the "vacations" they are taking are as Scott said, I diversionary tactic. i also see it as a divisionary tactic as well. Every time they take a vacation, is it me, or does the conservatives and the liberals kind of get up in arms at each other? Another simple concept that happens to work. | |
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