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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | I've heard most are very short distance horses and wondered about the good, bad and ugly. Good minded?
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Not good minded at all...
GREAT minded. I have one that sadly I haven't ridden, but she is perfect in every other way. Came out of race training, hauled 1500 miles and takes everything all in stride. I would own a dozen if I could afford them. |
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Location: Augusta, KS | I believe Amy Laymon has an Ivory James futurity colt she's real happy with, hopefully she'll see this. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-06 8:12 PM Not good minded at all...
GREAT minded. I have one that sadly I haven't ridden, but she is perfect in every other way. Came out of race training, hauled 1500 miles and takes everything all in stride. I would own a dozen if I could afford them.
Lol! Your post made me smile! So you plan on starting her on the pattern or will you use her as a broodmare? So she's not high maintenance or flighty I take it? Lol! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | We bought her from match racers and she looks like she must have flipped in the gates (don't hold that against her) and did some damage to her withers and tail bone. It looked like she should have been sound, but it just takes so much to get one competitive and then find out they are unsound. We'll just use her for a broodmare.
She is so kind, gets along with all the horses and loved the foals this summer. She's like the sweet big sister. Very smart, I just can't say enough good things about her. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-06 8:54 PM We bought her from match racers and she looks like she must have flipped in the gates (don't hold that against her) and did some damage to her withers and tail bone. It looked like she should have been sound, but it just takes so much to get one competitive and then find out they are unsound. We'll just use her for a broodmare.
She is so kind, gets along with all the horses and loved the foals this summer. She's like the sweet big sister. Very smart, I just can't say enough good things about her. That's so sad but how fortunate for her she ended up in a home where she's still appreciated. This morning I paid for a gelding to be shipped to me from Florida and the trainer said the same thing you did about them being sensible and good minded. He said that alot of them can be scorching fast but not for long distances at all. Lol I'm pretty hopeful so thanks for posting. How sweet that your mare isn't one of those fruitcakes and will help babysit the weanlings and others. Sounds like a keeper!
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | we were told she was bumped in a training race and came out of it sore in her back so they had turned her out for 30. That is the treatment for all things lameness apparently.
Needless to say, first thing I did when I got her home was to have a chiro/massage look over her and she pointed out that she was out bad in the poll, withers had scar tissue and her tail bone on top had been broken. hmmmmm so the story didn't add up. We had her caslick removed (for racing) and the vet saw it all too and said it all screamed "flipped at the gate" to him. I just can't see her getting upset and flipping, it's just not her nature, but who knows. Maybe another horse spooked and scared her, maybe they rushed her??? Will never know. We bought her for a prospective broodmare, so she will just become one sooner than later.
I'm sure you will love yours, I have talked to a few people with them and they love them. Anyone who has seen PYC vs IJ says Ivory James is the better looking one. They are both sires and I wouldn't kick offspring by either one out of my barn.
Here is my girls picture and pedigree. I sure hope others chime in that own them.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/special+lil+ivory
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | That must have been an awful wreck and I don't even want to think of the pain she must have been in. I hope you get some awesome babies with her same disposition. Like you said, who knows what could have happened. I don't have any pics of mine yet. Just one pic of a second place finish that was posted. He looks black but is brown. Here's his breeding: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&hors... does that link work?
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | I don't have an Ivory James but I'm riding a PYC Paint Your Wagon daughter that we bought OTT in November. I've got 3 weeks on the pattern with her and I am not kidding, she is ready to enter jackpots. She is Very smart, has been VERY easy to get started and has a great mind. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | rockinas - 2014-01-06 9:47 PM I don't have an Ivory James but I'm riding a PYC Paint Your Wagon daughter that we bought OTT in November. I've got 3 weeks on the pattern with her and I am not kidding, she is ready to enter jackpots. She is Very smart, has been VERY easy to get started and has a great mind.
wow!! Is she okay with the commotion at the jackpots and not really nervous or have you been hauling her with your other horses for awhile? That's pretty impressive! |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | hopin4$ - 2014-01-06 9:52 PM wow!! Is she okay with the commotion at the jackpots and not really nervous or have you been hauling her with your other horses for awhile? That's pretty impressive!
She is ready to be hauled to jackpots but I have not had her off the place yet. Everything has been canceled this past week due to the weather. I planned to take her this weekend and it was called off. I really don't expect anything to bother her. I've pushed cattle up the working alley with tubs and chutes banging and she doesn't even flick an ear. She was bothered more by the cows than the noise the first day I used her here. She will be my futurity horse this summer/fall as fast as she has come on. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Here is a video of her that was taken at exactly 21 days on the pattern. Keep in mind I started her November 10th so obviously she hasn't had many pattern work days in that time frame.....I like to do alot of other things with my OTT horses to see what kind of mind they have.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202709459638738&l=5641117295976332260 |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | rockinas - 2014-01-06 9:57 PM hopin4$ - 2014-01-06 9:52 PM wow!! Is she okay with the commotion at the jackpots and not really nervous or have you been hauling her with your other horses for awhile? That's pretty impressive! She is ready to be hauled to jackpots but I have not had her off the place yet. Everything has been canceled this past week due to the weather. I planned to take her this weekend and it was called off. I really don't expect anything to bother her. I've pushed cattle up the working alley with tubs and chutes banging and she doesn't even flick an ear. She was bothered more by the cows than the noise the first day I used her here. She will be my futurity horse this summer/fall as fast as she has come on.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | hopin4$ - 2014-01-06 10:02 PM I hope you'll post an update after your jackpot. were you really shocked at her progress or had you heard the pyc horses hasd that trainability? Do you mind telling how she's bred on the dam side? No I wasn't surprised that she is training up this nice.
I could tell the first day we worked her on our ranch that she had a good mind and would be pretty easy to start the way she reacted to everything going on around here.
We actually bought her to breed, didn't plan on even riding her until I noticed how smart she seemed to be.
This mare will be hauled all winter in preparation for futurities later this summer and fall.
She is out of a Special Show mare.
Here is a picture of her. She is 17 hh!
The only thing bad I can say about her is she's hard to climb up on!
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | She is stunning! !! Did you let her down at all or start her under western saddle right away? I had thought of sending mine off for 30 days just to get used to western saddle but if he was that Good minded and it wasn't necessary, it would save me $650. Lol. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | hopin4$ - 2014-01-06 10:17 PM She is stunning! !! Did you let her down at all or start her under western saddle right away? I had thought of sending mine off for 30 days just to get used to western saddle but if he was that Good minded and it wasn't necessary, it would save me $650. Lol.
Thank you!
I just started riding her pretty much right away. We bought her Nov. 2nd, and brought her home (12 hours). Let her rest a couple days and while she was resting we were working cattle all around her. My horse pens are right next to our cattle working pens so bring cattle past her and slamming gates and all the noise, was
when I could tell that she had a brain in her head. Some freak out really bad but the smart ones will try to get in on the work by the end of the day and that is what she was doing.
I rode her the 3rd day we had her home and started her on the barrel pattern the next week. She only gets pattern work a couple times a week, I do ride her out as much as possible and she does seem to enjoy cattle for some reason.
She couldn't even lope a decent circle when I got her, she was just track broke but pushing cattle and just giving them a reason to learn to place their feet and do what you ask them to do really helps. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Horses like that make you love them and love barrel racing all over every single new day, don't they! :-) I guess I'm even more hopeful mine will be that sensible since pyc and ij are brothers but you know how that goes! Lol. Please let me know how she does at her first race.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | hopin4$ - 2014-01-06 10:35 PM Horses like that make you love them and love barrel racing all over every single new day, don't they! :-) I guess I'm even more hopeful mine will be that sensible since pyc and ij are brothers but you know how that goes! Lol. Please let me know how she does at her first race.
I'm sure you will love your Ivory James.
I'd take one to try, after having ridden this PYC.
Or I'd take another PYC. Either way I think they are really nice horses.
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| Glad someone started this thread! I bought a gelding by Ivory James last January. He was raced and had about 8 starts. His SI was around 93, and is race record shows his last race that he was "fractious". With that being said, he was a little edgy once a I got him, but handled new places well. He was extremely cinchy, grouchy...treated for ulcers and that improved him 100% with the cinchyness and touchiness. I took it slow with him. He had to be lunged before being rode for a while. I took him on trail rides, which he was great at! He would get super nervous and high strung in a crowded situation at shows. Fast forward to now.... With lots of help from others and patience, he is doing much much better. He is settling down. I can take him to shows and he stands like a champ in the warm up pen with everyone. He is CRAZY talented!! Super work ethic, and will do everything 110%.
He does not enjoy slow work though, he gets pretty annoyed if he has to slow lope a pattern. He also can be a handful if not rode everyday (especially if you ride outside). This is where I see his "fractious" tendencies show through. He also can act like a grouch on the outside of the stall still, but if a bluffer about it. On the opposite note, he LOVES to be messed with and rubbed on and loves to have his head tucked in your arms.
Basically, he is a super talented horse, and I really think he has a lot of potential, and can't wait to get him seasoned. He learns super quick. Im still trying to keep up with him, so he is being patient while I catch up  I started him on barrels when I got him, but then took him off for a few months to just try to settle him down. I have taken it slow with him, since he is so sensitive. Here is a video back in November of us at a show exhibitioning. We loped to the 1st, and I just let him cruise the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ6T2-wurXw
Sorry for all the rambling 
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Location: Florida.. | WOW .. all are stunning!!! wow.!! |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Red3 - 2014-01-06 10:41 PM Glad someone started this thread! I bought a gelding by Ivory James last January. He was raced and had about 8 starts. His SI was around 93, and is race record shows his last race that he was "fractious". With that being said, he was a little edgy once a I got him, but handled new places well. He was extremely cinchy, grouchy...treated for ulcers and that improved him 100% with the cinchyness and touchiness. I took it slow with him. He had to be lunged before being rode for a while. I took him on trail rides, which he was great at! He would get super nervous and high strung in a crowded situation at shows. Fast forward to now.... With lots of help from others and patience, he is doing much much better. He is settling down. I can take him to shows and he stands like a champ in the warm up pen with everyone. He is CRAZY talented!! Super work ethic, and will do everything 110%. He does not enjoy slow work though, he gets pretty annoyed if he has to slow lope a pattern. He also can be a handful if not rode everyday (especially if you ride outside ). This is where I see his "fractious" tendencies show through. He also can act like a grouch on the outside of the stall still, but if a bluffer about it. On the opposite note, he LOVES to be messed with and rubbed on and loves to have his head tucked in your arms. Basically, he is a super talented horse, and I really think he has a lot of potential, and can't wait to get him seasoned. He learns super quick. Im still trying to keep up with him, so he is being patient while I catch up I started him on barrels when I got him, but then took him off for a few months to just try to settle him down. I have taken it slow with him, since he is so sensitive. Here is a video back in November of us at a show exhibitioning. We loped to the 1st, and I just let him cruise the rest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ6T2-wurXw Sorry for all the rambling
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| You guys all have gorgeous horses as well!! Glad to see some others out there with the PYC/Ivory James breeding. Love to see how great they all are 
Rockinas, I was looking at the PYC's too, unfortunately they all went above my budget, but wow are they talented!! Your's looks fantastic! And love that she is so laid back  |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | oh yeah, he is!! Have to say that whatever time it took to get in his head was sure worth it because he has that same big confident way of moving. and ground covering stride that Rockinas filly has. You guys are sitting on some talent. I sure am chompin at the bit to get mine closer to home and see what he is all about. I dont think hes as beautiful or as pretty headed as either of yours from his photos but getting time off the track and adding some bulk will help him and his head look more proportionate. The man I bought him from just said his head wasnt halter pretty but if he.works good in time what would you bet it will look beautiful to me! lolol! nite. time to hit the hay. Thanks a bunch for the great posts and information.,
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Location: Florida.. | Im a fish out of water here but I havent ever heard to many talking about them.. But I think im in love. |
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| I have never rode one, but I have foaled some of his colts and they are SMART, SMART, SMART. They definitely leave an impression. |
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| What do you think about the meyers stud cowboys cartel he is suppose to be 3/4 brother to paint your wagon and ivory james. I want to breed to a speed horse that has a good mind and who is atheltic and trainable. |
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| We've had both Ivory James and PYC. The PYC is a lottle strong willed (or bull headed if you will) but I attribute that to the dam. That's what she throws.
The Ivory James might turn out to be my blessing in disguise, lol! My mom had a stupid moment at Heritage and bought her back for an amount that she needed to be slapped for. Then the filly came home and got a cut on her butt. They ended up upside down on her and decided to keep her. She's only a yearling but I'm eyeballing her for the future. She is a very kind filly. And she's very smart. |
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | I don't know anything about my horse's dam... her name is Classic Angle and her sire is Kiptys Charger. Has anyone ever heard of him or if he ever made a good broodmare sire for barrel horses? I sure hope my horse's dam will be a positive influence on his disposition. Time will tell and after reading your posts I'm getting so hopeful that he'll be nice. :-) |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Red3 - 2014-01-06 11:08 PM You guys all have gorgeous horses as well!! Glad to see some others out there with the PYC/Ivory James breeding. Love to see how great they all are Rockinas, I was looking at the PYC's too, unfortunately they all went above my budget, but wow are they talented!! Your's looks fantastic! And love that she is so laid back
Mine is actually lazy! LOL! I swear she's got the world's slowest walk. Drives me nuts, LOL. But she seems to know when she needs to pick her feet up a little faster and doesn't get crabby at all. She's just got a really cool attitude. |
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Location: NE Texas | hopin4$.....you little secret keeper! Once again, i'm going to need more details. Sorry I didn't get back with you last week....work got crazy and was keeping me from BHW. LOL
I couldn't watch Rockinas video for some reason on my iPad, but will try here. The second IJ video looked great too. They are gorgeous horses and I love how IJ is put together. |
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| I don't think mine knows what lazy or slow is haha!! He does get "lazy" if I let him stand around after riding, then he thinks that's a pretty good idea LOL 
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | I LOVE LAZY! ha ha! As long as they enjoy being really free running when you ask them, I adore them being lazy the rest of the time because I can daydream away and enjoy life as I plod along. What I also enjoy more than anything is a horse that I can get on easier - like 15.2 or under and they assure me this guy is 15.1 so we'll see. Rockinas - I would have a VERY hard time getting up on your horse unless I had a bucket handy but you know, when you find one like your mare who is THAT athletic at 17 hands... it's incredible watching those kind make open runs... they just run in slow motion and mesmerize me - and then whoosh off goes the clock! There are just a very few bloodlines that can handle the turns when they're that tall and I never had an idea the Ivory James was one of them.
Herbie... lol!! You crack me up and always make me smile. I know, I just went to looking and already threw money into the pot, huh! I wrote you all the fun details so check your inbox.
Am loving reading about these PYC and IJ horses - it's always fun to learn about how others are doing if they're bred like a new one in your barn... now if only I can get the collective talent of the riders who've been posting... or how about just a smidgeon of it!
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | hopin4$ - 2014-01-07 9:11 AM I LOVE LAZY! ha ha! As long as they enjoy being really free running when you ask them, I adore them being lazy the rest of the time because I can daydream away and enjoy life as I plod along. What I also enjoy more than anything is a horse that I can get on easier - like 15.2 or under and they assure me this guy is 15.1 so we'll see. Rockinas - I would have a VERY hard time getting up on your horse unless I had a bucket handy but you know, when you find one like your mare who is THAT athletic at 17 hands... it's incredible watching those kind make open runs... they just run in slow motion and mesmerize me - and then whoosh off goes the clock! There are just a very few bloodlines that can handle the turns when they're that tall and I never had an idea the Ivory James was one of them.
Herbie... lol!! You crack me up and always make me smile. I know, I just went to looking and already threw money into the pot, huh! I wrote you all the fun details so check your inbox.
Am loving reading about these PYC and IJ horses - it's always fun to learn about how others are doing if they're bred like a new one in your barn... now if only I can get the collective talent of the riders who've been posting... or how about just a smidgeon of it!
Fortunately mine is polite about letting me get on. When I am all bundled up as I am in that video, it's really hard to climb up there. I'm glad no one filmed that part. |
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| hopin4$ - 2014-01-07 6:39 AM
I don't know anything about my horse's dam... her name is Classic Angle and her sire is Kiptys Charger. Has anyone ever heard of him or if he ever made a good broodmare sire for barrel horses? I sure hope my horse's dam will be a positive influence on his disposition. Time will tell and after reading your posts I'm getting so hopeful that he'll be nice. :-)
I know a gelding by Kiptys Charger and he's an awesome, awesome barrel horse. He's usually the one to beat.
ETA: I went back and checked and he's actually out of a daughter of Kiptys Charger. Not an own son. :) Don't know his sire though.
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