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Top Cowboys and Cowgirls Unite to Protect their Sport
January 6, 2014
A group of the top cowboys and cowgirls have been working diligently behind the scenes to try and protect the sport of professional rodeo. Much has been written lately about the challenging negotiations between the Professional Rodeo Cowboy’s Association (PRCA) and Las Vegas, which has been the home of the National Finals Rodeo (NFR) for the last 29 years.
As these negotiations occurred, a group of the top contestants in the sport of professional rodeo have come together to make sure that the integrity of their profession is not lost in the negotiations over the millions of dollars created each year by the fans who flock to the NFR to see the top cowboys and cowgirls compete for the world championship buckles.
Operating under a tight timeline the group recently proposed changes to the PRCA structure in exchange for the commitment of the cowboys to provide greater support to PRCA sanctioned rodeos.
A key member of the group is eleven-time world all-around champion, Trevor Brazile who has a record 19 gold buckles. “We went to the PRCA with a proposal supported by the top cowboys that would have strengthened the PRCA. Unfortunately our proposal was not accepted,” said Brazile. “We appreciate what the PRCA has done for the sport in the past, but at this point we feel the time has come for the top contestants to be more directly involved in the future of our sport.”
“We are forming a new organization to work together with committees and sponsors to make sure that the sport of professional rodeo continues to deliver the highest quality product to our great fans,” said Brazile.
"After an exhaustive effort of the top cowboys to help save the current structure, we now realize its time for a change and that there is a huge opportunity for the contestants of professional rodeo to work together to advance the sport," said K.C. Jones, one of the leaders behind the new organization and a seven-time NFR steer wrestling qualifier. “We are extremely excited to showcase the best contestants at the best venues to give the fans the top quality action they want.”
“This is important to us because we are the cowboys that people come to see compete for the world championships,” said legendary tie-down roper Fred Whitfield, who has won eight world championships and qualified for 20 NFR’s. “What people need to understand is that we are also professional athletes who take the history and integrity of our sport extremely seriously. We have the greatest appreciation for our fans and we have come together to make sure that our fans continue to have a chance to see the top contestants in our sport battle it out every year for a real world championship.”
Four-time world champion bareback rider Bobby Mote, who has 13 NFR qualifications, said he became involved to protect the future of the sport. “We did everything we could to work the PRCA to create the change that we believe this sport needed to go forward. But now it is time for a new direction and this group of cowboys is focused on working with everyone who wants to see professional rodeo get to the next level, while still protecting the heritage of our sport,” said Mote.
“Ultimately this is an exciting time for our sport,” said Brazile. “It is an honor for me to wear a gold buckle and each time I put one on, I appreciate the weight and importance of the heritage of this sport. As the sport of professional rodeo enters a new era we want to make sure that the integrity of the gold buckle is never compromised and that we provide our contestants, fans and sponsors with the greatest world championship rodeo possible.”
A partial list of contestants already supporting the effort include:
Trevor Brazile
Fred Whitfield
Bobby Mote
K.C. Jones
Wes Stevenson
Ryan Motes
Charly Crawford
Martin Lucero
Casey Colletti
Bray Armes
Bradley Harter
Brittany Pozzi
Cesar de la Cruz
Sherry Cervi
Cory Petska
Travis Graves
Drew Horner
Buddy Hawkins
Kaycee Field
Christy Loflin
Caleb Bennett
Fallon Taylor
Jake Rinehart
Billy Bugenig
Seth Brockman
Jake Long
Trevor Knowles
Kevin Daniels
Jarod Smith
Jane Melby
Clint Cannon
Trula Churchill
Yvan Jayne
Jim Ross Cooper
Garrett Tonozzi
Chase Erickson
Lance Brooks
Dru Melvin
Kory Koontz
Justin Davis
Riley Duvall
Sabrina Ketcham
Taylor Jacob
Richmond Champion
Tyler Pearson
Jake Cooper
Coleman Proctor
Taylor Price
Jean Winters
Will Woodfin
Sean Mulligan
George Gillespie
Colby Lovell
Jade Corkill
Jacobs Crawley
Dakota Kirchenschlager
Chase Tryan
Blair Burk
Chad Ferley
Bryce Miller
Jeff Willert
Brandon Beers
Erich Rogers
Walt Woodard
Tilden Hooper
Cade Swor
Olin Hannum
Cory Soloman
Jake Hannum
Hunter Herrin
Clint Robinson
Rich Skelton
David Motes
Lisa Lockhart
Adam Gray
Kollin VonAhn
Nick Sartain
Clint Cooper
Kaleb Driggers
Luke Brown
Shada Brazile
Hunter Cure
Chad Masters
Tuf Cooper
Stran Smith
Matt Shiozawa
Stetson Vest
Will Lowe
Shane Hanchey
Josh Peek
JR Vezain
Justin Maass
Scott Kormos
Matt Reeves
Michele McLeod
Jacob Shofner
Ben Shofner
Cooper Shofner
Cole Edge
Matt Kasner
Ryan Jarrett
Mickey Gee
Chet Johnson
Clayton Hass
Jason Thomas
Ty Erickson
Bryce Miller
Sterling Crawley
Taos Muncy
Isaac Diaz
Jesse Bail
Cort Scheer
Tyler Corrington
Sam Spreadborough
Cody Taton
Jake Wright
Jesse Wright
Cody Wright
Cole Elshere
Wade Sundell
Todd Suhn
Cody Ohl
Patrick Smith
Luke Branquinho
Jessy Davis
Brock Hansen
Charmayne James
Casey Martin
Stan Branco
Cody DeMers
Wade Sumpter
Ryan Gray
Steven Dent
Dugan Kelly
Justin McDaniel
Paul Eaves
Sammi Bessert
Dakota Eldridge
Speed Willams
Dean Gorsuch
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Holy cow. The PRCA just shot themselves in the foot. That's a hell of a list of excellent cowboys and cowgirls. |
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| Wow. Certainly a who's who of rodeo. What changes & new direction are they looking for? |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | It says a whole lot of nothing, they are uniting to form a new organization, yet no details? |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I would say its awful early to have all the info you guys are looking for. I bet my bottom dollar they went into the meeting with the PRCA thinking there wasn't a snowballs chance in heck they'd get shot down. Now its time to start planning. |
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| Yea I am confused. From what i was reading, they were impressed with PRCA turning vegas down and getting them more money. Now they are forming a new organization? What are they trying to get? I am just interested in learning more about this. |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-06 9:28 PM I would say its awful early to have all the info you guys are looking for. I bet my bottom dollar they went into the meeting with the PRCA thinking there wasn't a snowballs chance in heck they'd get shot down. Now its time to start planning.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Oh SNAP........just like the bullriders jumped ship years ago and started the PBR........LOL |
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| How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well?
Edited by sodapop 2014-01-06 10:54 PM
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Location: North Central Kansas | KC Jones and Brittany Pozzi have both shared it on their Facebook pages
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Location: Stephenville, TX | sodapop - 2014-01-06 10:53 PM
How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well?
That's what I wondered at first too, but noticed some of the folks on the list have "liked" the status, so I think its safe to say its legit.
Might have been a tad early to make an announcement. People have a lot of questions about what's going on and no answers yet. We'll all just have to wait and see. |
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Location: MD | ks_cowgirl - 2014-01-06 11:00 PM
KC Jones and Brittany Pozzi have both shared it on their Facebook pages
I just saw where Britt shared it, as well.
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| Running Roan - 2014-01-06 11:06 PM
sodapop - 2014-01-06 10:53 PM
How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well?
That's what I wondered at first too, but noticed some of the folks on the list have "liked" the status, so I think its safe to say its legit.
Might have been a tad early to make an announcement. People have a lot of questions about what's going on and no answers yet. We'll all just have to wait and see.
The problem with all of this is the majority on the list rodeo still for a living and the only way to prove their point is to not enter any PRCA rodeos. I don't see that happening any time soon. So I am curious too what they have planned. They are all sharp people who can sway a lot of fans and sponsors. The contestants have quite an influential pull. I hope they can get the changes they want & quick! |
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Location: California | It's interesting to see them organizing like this, it's almost like they are becoming a union. Hmmm... |
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Location: Stephenville, TX | sodapop - 2014-01-06 11:10 PM Running Roan - 2014-01-06 11:06 PM sodapop - 2014-01-06 10:53 PM How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well? That's what I wondered at first too, but noticed some of the folks on the list have "liked" the status, so I think its safe to say its legit. Might have been a tad early to make an announcement. People have a lot of questions about what's going on and no answers yet. We'll all just have to wait and see. The problem with all of this is the majority on the list rodeo still for a living and the only way to prove their point is to not enter any PRCA rodeos. I don't see that happening any time soon. So I am curious too what they have planned. They are all sharp people who can sway a lot of fans and sponsors. The contestants have quite an influential pull. I hope they can get the changes they want & quick!
The problem is vague updates. Not enough info was offered and people are jumping to conclusions. We don't know if all those people on the list are looking to restructure the PRCA so top contestants get some level of control over their sport...OR...if everyone on the list is looking to jump ship and start their own separate organization. We just don't know for sure because that update wasn't very specific. |
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| Running Roan - 2014-01-06 11:42 PM
sodapop - 2014-01-06 11:10 PM Running Roan - 2014-01-06 11:06 PM sodapop - 2014-01-06 10:53 PM How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well? That's what I wondered at first too, but noticed some of the folks on the list have "liked" the status, so I think its safe to say its legit. Might have been a tad early to make an announcement. People have a lot of questions about what's going on and no answers yet. We'll all just have to wait and see. The problem with all of this is the majority on the list rodeo still for a living and the only way to prove their point is to not enter any PRCA rodeos. I don't see that happening any time soon. So I am curious too what they have planned. They are all sharp people who can sway a lot of fans and sponsors. The contestants have quite an influential pull. I hope they can get the changes they want & quick!
I agree. Hope they have something to announce soon. |
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Location: Texas! | Soooo the girls are skipping out on the WPRA?? This whole thing seems confusing and the way the notice was written just sounds like a new organization for the who's who of rodeo? OY vey... |
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| WYOracer - 2014-01-07 12:48 AM
Soooo the girls are skipping out on the WPRA?? This whole thing seems confusing and the way the notice was written just sounds like a new organization for the who's who of rodeo? OY vey...
I didn't see anything in regards to the wpra, Just prca. But like many have stated it's early. Will be very interesting how it all unfolds in the coming weeks... Kind of exciting:) |
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| Interesting...........
Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone.
JMHO...........
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| phoenix - 2014-01-07 2:13 AM
Interesting...........
Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone.
JMHO...........
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Location: Roping pen | Might be hard to get the committee's to change their approvals with the PRCA. To me, the contestants and the PRCA have forgotten about the committees that put on the rodeos once again.
I know we won't change our rodeo just yet until the new association is proven. Just because the top performers approve of it, there is no guarantee that it will work. Look how long the PBR took and all the issues it went thru.
I know our rodeo is all about ticket sales and we sell a lot more when we have "local" contestants than when we have world champions..... |
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| phoenix - 2014-01-07 1:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO........... That was my first thought too- I appreciate that they want to "preserve" the heritage of the sport, but truthfully, rodeo didn't get it's beginnings with million dollar cowboys hauling up and down the road and entering rodeos for a living. I just hope the majority of PRCA members who may not ever make the NFR will have a say in what goes on as well- unless this new organization is one for just the elite. I agree with some others- this is all to vaugue to form any opinions on right now, but it's hard not to worry.
eta: on another note, I do have to say that I just hate how the NFR contestants are treated as employees when they finally do get to the NFR. What other top level athlete in any top-level sport has to be up early to practice, then off to autograph signings and special appearances all day, then rush back to get ready to compete, compete at the largest venue in the sport, then stay up late, take care of thier horse, get a little bit of rest, then back at it first thing in the morning for 10 days in a row? How can they possibly be at their best?? Would anyone expect Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods to keep that schedule during thier most important Finals of the year? I know it's not all the PRCA that makes these demands on them, it's the sponsors an host hotels as well, but I just hate to see them all treated like carnies and entertainment every waking hour during the NFR. That's just not right, imo. They do need better treatment in some regards-
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | My take is that they weren't happy about some recent decisions that the PRCA has made on their behalf and they wanted them to know that. It sounds like they had an idea and the PRCA shot them down. If I was to guess the heads of the PRCA is getting too big for their britches.
And while I am on a theory thought process, how much do you want to bet those big guys have already talked to Vegas and the whole concept that Vegas threw out is one these guys are getting behind.
While I can appreciate the smaller venues not needing the big guys, I think some of the hoopla that surround some of those big rodeos would really die down if Trevor Brazile, Brittany Pozzi, Sherry Cervi, Cody Ohl, etc all started not showing up.
They may not have a bigger game plan (or they may and they just have a great PR person who is telling them specifically what to let out of the bag and what not to) but IMO the PRCA needs to start making some better business decisions.
eta: I do not run pro, I am not involved in any of this or anything like that. Before anyone bashes, I am just commenting. I could be REALLY off base and I know that. These are just thoughts.
For the record, I support the stance where the contestants of the rodeo industry make as much money as possible so we can still watch and/or live the dream...
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | sassy&tessa - 2014-01-07 8:21 AM My take is that they weren't happy about some recent decisions that the PRCA has made on their behalf and they wanted them to know that. It sounds like they had an idea and the PRCA shot them down. If I was to guess the heads of the PRCA is getting too big for their britches.
And while I am on a theory thought process, how much do you want to bet those big guys have already talked to Vegas and the whole concept that Vegas threw out is one these guys are getting behind.
While I can appreciate the smaller venues not needing the big guys, I think some of the hoopla that surround some of those big rodeos would really die down if Trevor Brazile, Brittany Pozzi, Sherry Cervi, Cody Ohl, etc all started not showing up.
They may not have a bigger game plan (or they may and they just have a great PR person who is telling them specifically what to let out of the bag and what not to) but IMO the PRCA needs to start making some better business decisions.
eta: I do not run pro, I am not involved in any of this or anything like that. Before anyone bashes, I am just commenting. I could be REALLY off base and I know that. These are just thoughts.
For the record, I support the stance where the contestants of the rodeo industry make as much money as possible so we can still watch and/or live the dream...
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Location: The edge of no where | The page has BLOWN up this morning.... didn't have 8,000 when I woke up, and it's already over 10,000.
It will definitely be worth keeping an eye on. The people listed are legit, looked around on fb for a few min and it's being liked and shared by several that were at the NFR and quoted on the page.
Really would like to see more details! |
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Location: Deep South | sodapop - 2014-01-06 10:53 PM
How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well?
I only saw it because Luke Branquinho shared it on his page. |
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Location: Texas! | JagsLuck - 2014-01-07 12:15 AM WYOracer - 2014-01-07 12:48 AM Soooo the girls are skipping out on the WPRA?? This whole thing seems confusing and the way the notice was written just sounds like a new organization for the who's who of rodeo? OY vey... I didn't see anything in regards to the wpra, Just prca. But like many have stated it's early. Will be very interesting how it all unfolds in the coming weeks... Kind of exciting: )
Well there are WPRA cowgirls listed so that's why I was wondering? |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | The link doesnt work for me? Is there another one I can check out? |
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Location: Utah | phoenix - 2014-01-07 1:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO...........
This is what my husband and I are talking about. Not everyone has the ablilty to rodeo full time and the small town rodeos that are PRCA need the circuit contestants also. I hope the top cowboys/cowgirls remember the permit holders and card holders that help build the purses and give a starting point to get to the top 15. |
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| Calangelo - 2014-01-06 10:24 PM It says a whole lot of nothing, they are uniting to form a new organization, yet no details?
I think it says quite alot actually. It says "we're mad as he## and we ain't gonna take it anymore"....actually they said it in the nicest of ways but that's basically what it says. You have to realize that the Cowboys/Cowgirls can, with time and effort, come up with an entirely new associaton/business partnership and don't NEED the PRCA to do it. The PRCA, however, NEEDS the top cowgirls/cowboys to do anything...without them the PRCA is nothing. |
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| bennie1 - 2014-01-06 9:42 PM
could be a modern day "Turtles" moment.
Yep, I think this is exactly what it is. Rodeo has changed a bit over the past 75 years, and I think this is exactly what it looks like.
Hubby and I had just commented how we hadn't heard anything on the issue recently, but looks like folks have been working behind the scenes to come up with some thoughts about how things should go forward. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | runs4fun - 2014-01-07 10:30 AM Calangelo - 2014-01-06 10:24 PM It says a whole lot of nothing, they are uniting to form a new organization, yet no details? I think it says quite alot actually. It says "we're mad as he## and we ain't gonna take it anymore"....actually they said it in the nicest of ways but that's basically what it says. You have to realize that the Cowboys/Cowgirls can, with time and effort, come up with an entirely new associaton/business partnership and don't NEED the PRCA to do it. The PRCA, however, NEEDS the top cowgirls/cowboys to do anything...without them the PRCA is nothing.
You are so right. There is a lot of big name cowboys and cowgirls on this list and with that goes a lot of sponsorships and dollars. |
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Location: Deep South | justcruzin - 2014-01-07 10:17 AM
The link doesnt work for me? Is there another one I can check out?
They have updated it to include the name of the page "Support Rodeo Contestants"
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Rodeo-Contestants/18140035206... |
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Location: Texas! | I feel like they should have waited to have their ducks in line before creating the page...no one os answering any questions and speculation is just growing on the page comments. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-07 9:35 AM sodapop - 2014-01-06 10:53 PM How can this be verified as true? Couldn't anyone create this page & add the info to it? Are any of the people listed posting it on their facebook pages as well? I only saw it because Luke Branquinho shared it on his page.
It is true. I found out about it by visiting with someone on the list. I wouldn't have posted it otherwise.
There is a plan. More info will be released when it is ready.
Remember, the PRCA has until January 14 to work with LVE.
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| Thought I read somewhere, they are turning down a 4% increase? How many of you have had a 4% increase in your pay? These contestants have chosen to rodeo, intstead of another job! They've said so many have to get to the NFR to make money? My question is, how many have cut corners, downsized their trucks and trailers, or eaten meals in their LQ trailers, instead of eating out? Oh, and chosen a less expensive jean rather than Q babies?
I dont' see how rodeo can compare to other athletes who draw a salary?
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| How I am understanding this is like the PBR you have your A rodeos (big name top 30 contestants) and you have your B rodeos (us real folks and weekend warriors) The A rodeos only have 30 or so entries and have all the added money the B rodeos we run for the entry fee jackpots. How do the new talents make their way to the top? and how can you say you are the best when you only compete against a limited number of people. |
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Location: ND | phoenix - 2014-01-07 2:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO...........
the little guys aren't who anyone wants to see and aren't who bring in big sponsor money for events.....their fees are a drop in the cup when it comes to where this is going........if these folks want to be professional athletes and make rodeo into something better for the consumer, then they are on the right track..... |
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Location: ND | trickster j - 2014-01-07 7:25 AM phoenix - 2014-01-07 1:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO........... That was my first thought too- I appreciate that they want to "preserve" the heritage of the sport, but truthfully, rodeo didn't get it's beginnings with million dollar cowboys hauling up and down the road and entering rodeos for a living. I just hope the majority of PRCA members who may not ever make the NFR will have a say in what goes on as well- unless this new organization is one for just the elite. I agree with some others- this is all to vaugue to form any opinions on right now, but it's hard not to worry.
eta: on another note, I do have to say that I just hate how the NFR contestants are treated as employees when they finally do get to the NFR. What other top level athlete in any top-level sport has to be up early to practice, then off to autograph signings and special appearances all day, then rush back to get ready to compete, compete at the largest venue in the sport, then stay up late, take care of thier horse, get a little bit of rest, then back at it first thing in the morning for 10 days in a row? How can they possibly be at their best?? Would anyone expect Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods to keep that schedule during thier most important Finals of the year? I know it's not all the PRCA that makes these demands on them, it's the sponsors an host hotels as well, but I just hate to see them all treated like carnies and entertainment every waking hour during the NFR. That's just not right, imo. They do need better treatment in some regards-
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Location: Texas! | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 11:25 AM
phoenix - 2014-01-07 2:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO...........
the little guys aren't who anyone wants to see and aren't who bring in big sponsor money for events.....their fees are a drop in the cup when it comes to where this is going........if these folks want to be professional athletes and make rodeo into something better for the consumer, then they are on the right track.....
But that kinda goes against the statement made about the whole reason for this being to preserve the heritage and legacy of rodeo? I dunno I think turning it into a PBR of rodeo (if that is the plan, of course we still don't know any specifics) isn't the way to save the integrity of the sport. JMO though. |
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Location: Texas! | I was just watching Wpra Today and it was the conclusion of Pendleton, Christy Loflin was SO proud to be competing in the short go side by side her daughter she was choked up! With that A and B rye rodeo those moments won't happen , it will just make it that much harder for the weekend warrior (not by their own choice) who dreams of making it big. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 12:25 PM
phoenix - 2014-01-07 2:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO...........
the little guys aren't who anyone wants to see and aren't who bring in big sponsor money for events.....their fees are a drop in the cup when it comes to where this is going........if these folks want to be professional athletes and make rodeo into something better for the consumer, then they are on the right track.....
D, we mostly agree
but in this case they are going to have to have some way for the new talent to "make" it or it will die very quickly.
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Location: The edge of no where | Let's wait until more information is posted before jumping to conclusions about what they are planning to do.
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Location: Texas! | MS2011 - 2014-01-07 12:33 PM Let's wait until more information is posted before jumping to conclusions about what they are planning to do.
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Location: hot, humid and dry...Gulf coast East of Houston.. | MS2011 - 2014-01-07 1:33 PM Let's wait until more information is posted before jumping to conclusions about what they are planning to do.
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Location: The edge of no where | shellyh1971 - 2014-01-07 1:56 PM MS2011 - 2014-01-07 1:33 PM Let's wait until more information is posted before jumping to conclusions about what they are planning to do.
Absolutely none........but I hate to see them run down before we even know what they're planning.
These are people that make their living rodeoing, it's pretty ballsy to put your name on a list in a public move like they have. I'm sure they haven't taken this lightly. Can you imagine the reprecussions from the prca if their idea doesn't fly? |
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Location: lexington KY | I am always amazed at the comments the "little dogs" arent who anyone wants to see. I really do not believe that. Yes, there are a some VERY large rodeos that can promote the big dogs coming to their rodeo, but the medium size rodeos do not have that luxery and they are still successful. Many rodeo committees cant promote a rodeo by saying "World Champion Trevor Brazile is coming" they have to do so by getting their community involved and bringing in sponsorships that way. They have to show to sponosors they have a reason to give them money. What if it is rains all week and the "big dogs" turn out, then what? Many smaller rodeos will have a decent attendance because of the local people that are participating, they are their to support them, because they know them, not becuase they know rodeo. If you walk into the stands of many smaller rodeos, those people dont know who the big dogs are, they came because they wanted to go to a rodeo.
I am very interested to see what takes place but I do think there is room for everyone in rodeo that is what this sport was built on. JMHO.
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Having said all of the above I agree with what was said about locals coming out to support people they know. Why? Because there isn't a big rodeo fan base which is my point.
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | i don't really know whats going on, but it seems like they want a raise? ok, i get that, we ALL want raises. however they all knew the risks going in. i understand that the cost of running up and down the road has increased-the cost of living for everyone has increased. i haven't gotten a raise in 7 years and i work for a very well known university. i wish i could march into my bosses office and demand a raise, but i'm sure he would laugh in my face (or tell me to take a hike lol). again, we don't know the whole story and if it is for the good of rodeo, i hope they succeed. but, i would like the option for "nobody" to become somebody. i hope that doesn't change. |
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I think we are all missing a huge point here. How many of us make enough money in our CHOSEN professions to live the lifestyle we want to live. My guess is most live the lifestyle they can afford to live. That's how it is at my house. While I support the western way of life and those athletes that choose to TRY to make a living at it, I realize that not all of them will succeed. To me, that is part of the attraction of the sport. Rodeo is different than the stick and ball (more similar to professional baseball) sports. To play the stick and ball sports, you need talent, pure and simple. There are very few who have the talent to play those sports at an elite level and the marketplace has set a value on what they should get paid. Baseball is a little different with the minor league system that is filled with very talented players that don't get paid squat( a few hundred to a few thousand per month) Why do they do it? For a Chance at the next level. There is still only room for a very few at the elite level. Rodeo is a little different in my opinion. This is the only sport that I know of that anyone with enough money can buy a permit and enter (for the most part) with the world champions. We all know someone who is talented enough and has the horsepower to compete with the best in the world. What holds them back, MONEY. They cannot afford to travel. The top money earners each year are the ones who can afford to travel. Seems to me that the little guys or the locals are already eliminated.
Maybe a tiered system based on e/f and purse would work. Maybe not all prca money counts toward the finals. Maybe the card system needs more steps in it. Maybe the circuit standing and finals should have larger role in who gets to the finals.
Maybe some of those complaining are spending more than they can earn. To continue in the game is their choice. Maybe this is the limit of the pay scale. Maybe sponsors limit the options for increased payouts. There is much I don't know but I do know this. Rodeo is still the only game I know that if you have enough money, you can play at the elite level(maybe not compete). That makes the rules different.
I don't have the solution to this. I wish those that are given the task of finding solution much luck. I fear this will be painful for competitors and fans alike. |
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Location: The edge of no where | horsepoor1 - 2014-01-07 4:17 PM i don't really know whats going on, but it seems like they want a raise? ok, i get that, we ALL want raises. however they all knew the risks going in. i understand that the cost of running up and down the road has increased-the cost of living for everyone has increased. i haven't gotten a raise in 7 years and i work for a very well known university. i wish i could march into my bosses office and demand a raise, but i'm sure he would laugh in my face (or tell me to take a hike lol). again, we don't know the whole story and if it is for the good of rodeo, i hope they succeed. but, i would like the option for "nobody" to become somebody. i hope that doesn't change. You have the freedom to negociate with your boss for a raise. If you don't ask, you're mostly likely not going to get one. There is no way I would work for the same company for 7 years with out a raise unless I was making at least 200,000.
Because you haven't done anything to change your situation, doesn't mean that others shouldn't.
They tried to work out a deal with the PRCA, PRCA wouldn't listen.....so why shouldn't they take it upon themselves to better the situation? That's what makes them winners in the arena too.
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | again, i work for a university aka the state. the entire staff of my department have rallied for raises, but when positions are being cut, people are basically being forced to early retire, and positions are not being filled when someone quits/retires, there really is NO money for raises. we rely on state and federal funding and it has been cut EVERY year for the past 10 years. no raises here in my neck of the woods sorry. |
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | MS2011 - 2014-01-07 5:25 PM
horsepoor1 - 2014-01-07 4:17 PM i don't really know whats going on, but it seems like they want a raise? ok, i get that, we ALL want raises. however they all knew the risks going in. i understand that the cost of running up and down the road has increased-the cost of living for everyone has increased. i haven't gotten a raise in 7 years and i work for a very well known university. i wish i could march into my bosses office and demand a raise, but i'm sure he would laugh in my face (or tell me to take a hike lol). again, we don't know the whole story and if it is for the good of rodeo, i hope they succeed. but, i would like the option for "nobody" to become somebody. i hope that doesn't change. You have the freedom to negociate with your boss for a raise. If you don't ask, you're mostly likely not going to get one. There is no way I would work for the same company for 7 years with out a raise unless I was making at least 200,000.
Because you haven't done anything to change your situation, doesn't mean that others shouldn't.
They tried to work out a deal with the PRCA, PRCA wouldn't listen.....so why shouldn't they take it upon themselves to better the situation? That's what makes them winners in the arena too.
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| JenO - 2014-01-07 5:22 PM I think we are all missing a huge point here. How many of us make enough money in our CHOSEN professions to live the lifestyle we want to live. My guess is most live the lifestyle they can afford to live. That's how it is at my house. While I support the western way of life and those athletes that choose to TRY to make a living at it, I realize that not all of them will succeed. To me, that is part of the attraction of the sport. Rodeo is different than the stick and ball (more similar to professional baseball) sports. To play the stick and ball sports, you need talent, pure and simple. There are very few who have the talent to play those sports at an elite level and the marketplace has set a value on what they should get paid. Baseball is a little different with the minor league system that is filled with very talented players that don't get paid squat( a few hundred to a few thousand per month) Why do they do it? For a Chance at the next level. There is still only room for a very few at the elite level. Rodeo is a little different in my opinion. This is the only sport that I know of that anyone with enough money can buy a permit and enter (for the most part) with the world champions. We all know someone who is talented enough and has the horsepower to compete with the best in the world. What holds them back, MONEY. They cannot afford to travel. The top money earners each year are the ones who can afford to travel. Seems to me that the little guys or the locals are already eliminated. Maybe a tiered system based on e/f and purse would work. Maybe not all prca money counts toward the finals. Maybe the card system needs more steps in it. Maybe the circuit standing and finals should have larger role in who gets to the finals. Maybe some of those complaining are spending more than they can earn. To continue in the game is their choice. Maybe this is the limit of the pay scale. Maybe sponsors limit the options for increased payouts. There is much I don't know but I do know this. Rodeo is still the only game I know that if you have enough money, you can play at the elite level(maybe not compete). That makes the rules different. I don't have the solution to this. I wish those that are given the task of finding solution much luck. I fear this will be painful for competitors and fans alike. NASCAR, or car racing in general, is a sport that someone can "buy" themselves into (for lack of a better term). Because stock car racing has a HUGE fan-base even those that are not the BIG names can make a pretty good living at it because they need a certain amount of cars for every race to fill up the field. Some of those guys that race every week know they don't have a snowball's chance of winning but they are still going to make big bucks...why is this possible? Because of the amount of tickets sold each week. Why can they sell so many tickets? Because there are a lot of fans from every walk of life that will pay big bucks to sit in the grandstands!
I agree with you though that the Cowboys/Cowgirls chose this way of life;however, it doesn't mean they haven't gotten tired of someone else making big money off of them. You can't blame them for trying to take a little more control of their destinies, if it's possible for them to do so.
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Interesting...........
Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone.
JMHO...........
Once again, I am going to say that I hope the "Big Guns" (including contestants, sponsors, rodeo committees, etc.) don't forget about the "little guys."
I have been on both sides of the bubble having started out with no rodeo experience, becoming an NFR Qualifier, and then starting all over again with new/young/inexperienced horses after a many year lay off, and I think EVERY contestant is important for our sport.
Yes, people are arguing that the fans will not come to see the "little guys" but I beg to differ. What about the Cinderella stories where a rookie comes out of nowhere and starts winning? What about the "Come back" stories where contestants used to be a big gun but are starting all over again? What about local fans coming to see their friend/co-worker/neighbor compete?
I feel that one of the great things about our sport is that a diverse group of us compete and have opportunities. And on that note, how will a "little guy" be able to become a "Big Gun" if they have restricted or NO opportunities to advance?
Don't get me wrong, I feel our sport is underpaid when compared with a lot of other professional sports, and I have no problem with the contestants asking for more pay. I'm not arguing that point at all. But don't forget about the "others" who are not fortunate enough to be a "Big Gun" but have just as much heart, soul and love for our sport as the top ranked competitors do.
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | I guess I don't get the whole 'they want a raise' comment. this years NFR paid more money than any NFR before. 1st in a round paid just over $18.6K and the average was $47.7K. In 2010 it was $17.5K to win the round. and $44.9 to win the average. Each year it pays more and more. They keep talking about new NFR winnings records and new season earnings records. Well I'd sure hope that the records keep going up and up because the amount of money to be won goes up each year. It's simple math. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 11:27 AM trickster j - 2014-01-07 7:25 AM phoenix - 2014-01-07 1:13 AM Interesting........... Just hope the "Big Guns" don't set something up that mainly benefits them and forgets about the "little guys." They need to remember that those little guys and rookies help pay a lot of entry fees into the pot that make the rodeos pay even better for everyone. JMHO........... That was my first thought too- I appreciate that they want to "preserve" the heritage of the sport, but truthfully, rodeo didn't get it's beginnings with million dollar cowboys hauling up and down the road and entering rodeos for a living. I just hope the majority of PRCA members who may not ever make the NFR will have a say in what goes on as well- unless this new organization is one for just the elite. I agree with some others- this is all to vaugue to form any opinions on right now, but it's hard not to worry.
eta: on another note, I do have to say that I just hate how the NFR contestants are treated as employees when they finally do get to the NFR. What other top level athlete in any top-level sport has to be up early to practice, then off to autograph signings and special appearances all day, then rush back to get ready to compete, compete at the largest venue in the sport, then stay up late, take care of thier horse, get a little bit of rest, then back at it first thing in the morning for 10 days in a row? How can they possibly be at their best?? Would anyone expect Kobe Bryant or Tiger Woods to keep that schedule during thier most important Finals of the year? I know it's not all the PRCA that makes these demands on them, it's the sponsors an host hotels as well, but I just hate to see them all treated like carnies and entertainment every waking hour during the NFR. That's just not right, imo. They do need better treatment in some regards-
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It will be interesting to see where this goes. I wonder if all this will have any influence on the Ram National Circuit Finals in April. I also heard Carolyn Vietor on Flint's Western Sports Roundup show the other day that the WPRA and PRCA were separate organizations right now, but that may change in the future. (paraphrasing) I got the impression something was in the works from her statement, maybe not. I hope the contestants have figured out how to recreate PROCOM, because that has some infrastructure to it and I would say took years to develop. |
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Location: nj | I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals. |
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Location: Texas! | threeponies - 2014-01-08 4:56 AM I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
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Location: The edge of no where | threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:56 AM I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
I think they will go after the rodeo committes and get them to go with the new organization, not the PRCA.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control, and working with LVE. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that.
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| kle12 - 2014-01-08 8:51 AM so when is this new assoc going to start...
Did anyone on the list enter Odessa or Denver??? A majority of the team ropers on the list were at Super Tuesday in Odessa last night so I can only guess they are roping in slack this morning. Very awkward to me to stand up against the association and then still go enter, but I guess technically they would have been entered before all this came out in the press.
ETA: Fallon and Christy are on the list and both ran in slack on Monday....
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Kusek column: Could PRCA be in trouble?
That explosion you heard on Monday?
That was a nuclear bomb being dropped on the office of the Professional Cowboys Rodeo Association in Colorado Springs, Colo.
Already reeling from the backlash from possibly moving the National Finals Rodeo from Las Vegas to central Florida, the PRCA is facing potentially a bigger problem.
No big-name contestants for the NFR, wherever it may land for 2015.
Wanting more of a say in the sport’s future, some of rodeo’s biggest stars announced on a Facebook site called “Support Rodeo Contestants,” that they were creating another organization.
The supporters included world champions from every event, including members of the Women’s Professional Rodeo Association.
According to the post, some of rodeo’s top contestants wanted some changes to the PRCA structure in exchange for the commitment of the cowboys to provide greater support to PRCA-sanctioned rodeos.
This has become a big issue as events like RodeoHouston and Calgary Stampede are high-paying stand-alone rodeos and are not governed by PRCA rules. Other rodeos are looking to follow.
“We went to the PRCA with a proposal supported by the top cowboys that would have strengthened the PRCA,” said 19-time world champion Trevor Brazile on the Facebook post. “Unfortunately, our proposal was not accepted.
“We appreciate what the PRCA has done for the sport in the past, but at this point we feel the time has come for the top contestants to be more directly involved with the future of our sport.”
Then the greatest cowboy of his generation dropped the big one.
“We are forming a new organization to work together with committees and sponsors to make sure that the sport of professional rodeo continues to deliver the highest quality product to our great fans,” said Brazile.
Rodeo fans have heard this talk before.
Just a few years ago, there were rumors of a new organization that would revolutionize sport. It never materialized.
This idea, however, has some traction.
Because not only does the list of other contestants supporting this move read like a “Who’s who,” of professional rodeo but it has the support of those who can help make it a reality.
Las Vegas officials want a rodeo finals in December. If it continues to be the NFR, great.
But if not the NFR, Las Vegas will still have an event showcasing the top cowboys and cowgirls.
Watch for the non-sanctioned rodeos to band together and create a finals from its top competitors list.
And you can bet a potential television deal is already being discussed.
This past December, RFD-TV offered the PRCA $1 million for the television rights to its premier event.
The PRCA declined, opting to pay CBS Sports Network to broadcast the NFR
I’m still trying to figure out that math.
RFD-TV has said it wants to expand its rodeo coverage. It already has created The American, a $1 million rodeo to be held this March in Arlington, Texas. With a loyal viewership, RFD-TV would be the perfect place to land for a new rodeo organization.
Cowboys and cowgirls want to compete for more money. If you offer more money, they will rope, ride and race in your building. It’s that simple.
Sponsors will follow the competitors.
The fans, we might have to make a choice.
Do we pick the team or the player?
It won’t be a difficult decision.
Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/sports/rodeo/kusek-column-could-prca-be-...
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Location: The edge of no where | This is also interesting.
From FB page 'Support the Professional Cowboys of the PRCA' - The page is worth checking out.
The PRCA is comprised of INDIVIDUAL athletes, stock contractors, contract personnel, et al. We do not belong to a TEAM nor our are salaries PAID by a single owner or entity. We compete against each other and it is a win or loose. No guarantees and NO cushy retirements. It costs you money to go down the road and there is no guarantee that those expenses are going to be paid. Other then Golf, Tennis, Bowling ( and a few others) what other professional sport is comprised of such hard working individuals. Yes, clubs, balls, rackets are expensive… but it is not like you have to feed, water, shelter, etc., them as well.
Yes the contestants have their view and concerns, as does the stock contractors, contract personnel, and committees. However we all have one goal….. to have a professional sport that provides a living for some, entertainment to the fans and advertisement to the sponsors.
It seems that the tides have turned. We as individuals DUE paying members have lost our say despite being the “owners” of our own organization. Unfortunately, we generally do not voice our opinions or do we take the time to vote until it is way too late. Shame on us., however, we pay the salaries of the individuals in our headquarter, that are making decisions without the input of the members.
My concern is that our organization is being dictated by a few. Were the members informed of the situation with Las Vegas Event? Are we being informed by the PRCA office of any negotiations, etc.? Are our Board of Directors getting the full story and if so, why am I not hearing from my representative? What we are hearing is basically HERESAY from news papers and social media.
My final concern…. Why is one sponsor dictating what TV deals are being made on behalf of our origination? There are MANY other companies that have TRIED to become major sponsors and supporters of the PRCA only to be turned down and/or so limited and restricted, that it is not worth their efforts! What RFD and GAC did for the National Finals Rodeo……was phenomenal!!!!
The TURTLES that are fortunately still with us are shaking their fingers at us members and those that have past…. are turning over in their graves.
YES we LOVE our sport and this lifestyle because of the "family" we belong too.....
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Location: Texas!! | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM
What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
Now they did, but during the Finals, they voted and told the PRCA to refuse LVE's offer.
What I'm asking, is for everyone's thoughts on this turn around. Especially all the people who thought the NFR didn't need Vegas.
Vegas wasn't offering enough money for the cowboys, yet here they are working with LVE.
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Location: Midwest Farmer's Daughter: Central Illinois | rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
ETA: NM I just saw your answer. Thanks!
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Location: lost in missouri | Beings that the organization is in the infant stages these cowboys and cowgirls still have to enter PRCA rodeos this year and I am sure will still be in Vegas this December. I dont see any major changes before summer taking place and they just like us dont know how soon a new organization will get the ball rolling so to pay their bills they have to rodeo and if they want a shot at the $$ in Vegas they gotta be out on the rode. I think that if they are trying to work with Vegas on their new organization I dont think they would want to be no shows for the NFR in Vegas this year. |
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Location: That part of Texas | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 10:10 AM rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
Now they did, but during the Finals, they voted and told the PRCA to refuse LVE's offer.
What I'm asking, is for everyone's thoughts on this turn around. Especially all the people who thought the NFR didn't need Vegas.
Vegas wasn't offering enough money for the cowboys, yet here they are working with LVE.
I think it's more of a thing where the PRCA were already going to vote the LVE offer down and it just so happened that they had the support of most of the members. It's easy to claim you were listening to your members when you were planning on doing that anyway.
Now I think that most of the members who were saying that the PRCA was supporting them are realizing that it's not the case and they don't have as much say as they thought. That's why they are asking for two more positions and they are meeting opposition -- the PRCA doesn't really want them to have the power to change those big decisions already being put in place. |
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Location: Weatherford, Texas | threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:56 AM
I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
This is a side note- My rookie year was the year of the PWBR and I LOVED it. The PRCA made a huge profit off the barrels with much smaller sponsorship input (I heard a million dollar profit), it was more organized and actually paid more at each rodeo (didn't have the WPRA chunk coming out of each fee). WPRA should be making a big profit each year and should be able to do much more for the contestants than it does. When it went back to WPRA I got knocked out of three rodeos for "not" paying fees that I had to the secretary, then later in the year got knocked out of a few for trying to pay fees that I owed through the office but they showed I didn't until they updated three weeks late and 10 minutes before books closed. I ended up throwing a wild eyed fit at the second batch and told them to put me last in slack- they did and I somehow ended up 30 from the end. Apparently it happened to quite a few girls. |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 10:10 AM rodeodelux - 2014-01-08 9:54 AM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:43 AM What are your thoughts about this....
The cowboys voted for the PRCA to reject LVE's offer. So, the PRCA did this. Now, the cowboys are leaving the PRCA to start their own organization with some of the reason being that they want more control. The PRCA did what they asked.
The decision to reject $1M income from RFDTV and instead pay CBSSports is a weird one. I would like to know the whole story behind that. In the article with KC Jones, it says the members voted unanimously to work with Vegas.
Now they did, but during the Finals, they voted and told the PRCA to refuse LVE's offer.
What I'm asking, is for everyone's thoughts on this turn around. Especially all the people who thought the NFR didn't need Vegas.
Vegas wasn't offering enough money for the cowboys, yet here they are working with LVE.
The PRCA board of directors may have had very legitimate reasons to make the decisions they did. The real problem is that the membership doesn't know what they are. Either communication with membership is poor or the decisions don't reflect memberships view. |
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| cooper08 - 2014-01-08 10:49 AM
threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:56 AM
I have no idea what the details on this will turn out to be - but if the top names don't join and a PRCA rodeo is held.. do they really think that contestants and crowds won't show up? it would be a small impact for a short time.. until other people become the 'names' by winning. Problem is that people get to the top of this sport and keep trying to compare it to professional team etc - when it is closer to golf or tennis. It is a revolving door of who is on the top and the beauty of rodeo is that any contestant that enters can in theory win it - so local has just a good of chance as name that travels. As far as the PRCA & WPRA becoming one - didn't we just go down the road and it was a disaster? The associates need to keep the membership first - not individuals.
This is a side note- My rookie year was the year of the PWBR and I LOVED it. The PRCA made a huge profit off the barrels with much smaller sponsorship input (I heard a million dollar profit ), it was more organized and actually paid more at each rodeo (didn't have the WPRA chunk coming out of each fee ). WPRA should be making a big profit each year and should be able to do much more for the contestants than it does. When it went back to WPRA I got knocked out of three rodeos for "not" paying fees that I had to the secretary, then later in the year got knocked out of a few for trying to pay fees that I owed through the office but they showed I didn't until they updated three weeks late and 10 minutes before books closed. I ended up throwing a wild eyed fit at the second batch and told them to put me last in slack- they did and I somehow ended up 30 from the end. Apparently it happened to quite a few girls.
Ditto. Exact same thing!! My rookie yr was the PWBR then when it went back to the WPRA it went way down hill!! |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Red Raider - 2014-01-08 10:45 AM I think it's more of a thing where the PRCA were already going to vote the LVE offer down and it just so happened that they had the support of most of the members. It's easy to claim you were listening to your members when you were planning on doing that anyway.
Now I think that most of the members who were saying that the PRCA was supporting them are realizing that it's not the case and they don't have as much say as they thought. That's why they are asking for two more positions and they are meeting opposition -- the PRCA doesn't really want them to have the power to change those big decisions already being put in place.
I get where you are coming from. I'm just playing devil's advocat, wanting everyone's thoughts and perspectives, all sides
I do know the cowboys/cowgirls had a meeting during the Finals, voted to turn down LVE's offer, and let the PRCA know. So, the PRCA could very well have been planning to turn it down anyway, but those who were there this year, did vote that way.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | The only thing that I am concerned about is that I have seen a couple of places is that it is for the "elite", so what about all the little people before they work their way up. Everyone has to work their way up, so how does this include the newbies and rookies? |
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Location: Oklahoma or who knows maybe trucking ? | Remember back in 2007 when the PRCA took the barrel racers away from the WPRA ? Well they wanted them and then when they got them and they went and competed for them at the end of the year they didn't post the results of the circuit finals for the barrel racers. I you go back and look there is no postings of any barrel racing results at all for the whole year for 2007 not even circuit finals that is a shame that goes to show you how the PRCA appreciates their contestants . That was when they were in a law suit with WPRA and lost and the WPRA won and got the barrel racers back in 2008 and started posting results again.
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Location: nj | There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? |
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Contestants want more money in the pot to win at the NFR so PRCA turns down LVE for possible move to FLA. Minimal details are out about FLA, except new venue and more money from an undetermined source.
LV hotels and casinos sponsor many contestants
NFR leaves LV - LV hotels/casinos - no need to sponsor contestants thus a loss of sponsorship to contestants - hotels and casinos can sponsor other things that bring customers to their properties in LV.
Contestants still in a hope to make it to NFR and hope to make my profit there situation regardless of whether the NFR is in LV or FLA. So loss of sponsorship makes it harder to get to the NFR to stand a chance at making a profit.
Undetermined source of money in FLA must still be undetermined.
The contestants starting new organization want to cut out the middle man and the cost of the middle man or at least reducing that cost. Contestants keep their LV hotel/casino sponsors, money expended on the middle man reduced and can be put in the pot and up for grabs for the contestants.
There must still be something in the mix for the PRCA with a move to FLA that hasn't been revealed. The contestants wanting an increase in payout was a good excuse, but the fact that they are now pulling away - something there for PRCA still. They are being very quiet and what I find interesting about their statement is: (1) they claim to be out of the loop about LVE deadline (hard to believe …. think … asking a little kid "who ate the cookies?" and the kid looking at you with big round eyes and cookie crumbs all over his face responds, "I dunno".) and (2) What they aren't saying … "we believe its in the organizations best interest to look at the options" or "at the request of the contestants we are reaching out to LVE to discuss an extension of the deadline" or anything.
Just an outsider's perspective from the bits and pieces floating around here and on FB. I could be totally wrong.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page?
From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card. |
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
Oh boy now your putting me to the test. I input info in my brain and don't remember where it comes from.  I think I heard it from my brother who was at the NFR this year and maybe heard it out there? Or he has a buddy in Arkansas that's a pro roper and he maybe told bro. I'll text him and find out. |
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
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Location: Broxton, Ga | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
Never heard of 2 different "cards"......may have been in reference to a permit and then a card holder after the $1000.00 is won on the permit.........????? |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Breaking News: PRCA Update and responseJanuary 8, 2014 By Jason Hetland Okay folks, remember me saying that I hope there was a response from the home office of the Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association and its Board of Directors. Well our wishes came true, sort of, as the PRCA home office issued a statement late last night that I have just received a few minutes ago from the headquarters themselves. Once you read it you all can start to draw your own conclusions and start to take sides as more information starts to come out. As you may already expect the two sides are very far apart on what actually happened and what is being demanded. Here is the official statement from the headquarters of the Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association and its Board of Directors: PRCA Statement January 7, 2014 A group of approximately 20 PRCA contestants called a meeting Jan. 3-4 in Waco, Texas, a day after requesting a special PRCA Board of Directors meeting. Upon 48 hours’ notice, the PRCA Board agreed to hold that special meeting via teleconference on Jan. 4. During the Jan. 4 Board meeting, the 11 contestants in attendance asked the PRCA Board to add and amend 18 bylaws related primarily to newly created contestant Board seats and contestant eligibility for the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo. The contestants discussed their proposed bylaw changes at length with the Board. The PRCA Board expressed concerns about the contestant demand that all 18 bylaw changes be voted on that same day, within 48 hours of the notice of the meeting, as that timing did not allow for the necessary vetting and research to be done in order to make legally sound, informed business decisions greatly affecting the entire membership. The contestants stated that their urgency for immediate answers was based upon their belief that a deadline of Jan. 6 existed for negotiating the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo contract. However, the PRCA Board was never informed of any Jan. 6 deadline, and was at the very same time receiving a conflicting counter-offer deadline of Jan. 14 from multiple members of the Las Vegas Events Board. In the interest of serving all 6,000-plus PRCA members and the entire sport of professional rodeo, the PRCA Board requested additional time to research and carefully consider all requests from the contestant group, but the 11 contestants denied that request.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
I'm not exactly sure of the 2 card option, but what I've heard is that there would be something similar to what Canada has put in. A card that you can go qualify for the NFR on and then a regular PRCA card. The NFR card, you can go to only PRCA sanctioned rodeos. The other card, you can enter PRCA sanctioned rodeos, open rodeos, invitation rodeos... |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
I'm waiting for a reply from my brother to see if that's where I got my information. I hope I didn't talk out of line. That would be so unlike me.
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card.
Uh, I don't have my CPRA (Canadian Pro) card but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. There's a permit (need to win $1,000) and then a semi-pro (where you need to win $1,000 that same year you purchased it) and then you can buy your regular card but the last time that rumour went around, I'm almost positive it was shot down. And as far as the semi-pro, it has to do with ammy-rodeos and eligibility (as I understand it), not rodeos like Calgary, etc. |
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Location: Texas | I have no idea what is going on with the PRCA and these cowboys. I have no idea what they asked the PRCA to do or not do. Maybe the PRCA is doing the right thing, maybe it's not. I would really like to know WHAT they wanted to change, not just the vague things they are saying.
My only concern is this, when they talk about how people come to see the top professionals in their sport, like THAT'S the reason why people are coming to all the rodeos. Ehhh, part of it. But it's not the main reason, except for the NFR when you wait all year to see WHO is making it.
I personally believe the reason why MOST spectators come to MOST rodeos except the NFR, is for the concert after the rodeo and the carnival/fair activities.
You don't even know who is entered at MOST of the rodeos except for the handful of super big rodeos where they limit the top 50, or invite people and then post it on their website. The only way to know who is up what day and when is if you get your hands on a trade list. People come to the rodeos anyway, not knowing who will be there.
I am all for change if it is fair and good for all members. I still have goals of trying to make it as far to the top as I can in rodeo… I don't know where my limit will be. I hope whatever the change is, it doesn't make people like me feel like it's no longer a possibility to do that. For all I know, this could be in our favor too. Or it couldn't.. I would *really* like to know what they want changed…
ETA- I am not saying people aren't coming to see the rodeo itself or the cowboys. I know as far as we are concerned, when we go to rodeos to watch, that is ALL I care about. But just seeing the people I see spectating at rodeos and I am there, there's a lot of people who are not involved with rodeo personally, who are just coming to watch, that don't keep track of standings, and are just wanting to have a good time that weekend.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | bccanchaser16 - 2014-01-08 8:26 PM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card. Uh, I don't have my CPRA (Canadian Pro ) card but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. There's a permit (need to win $1,000 ) and then a semi-pro (where you need to win $1,000 that same year you purchased it ) and then you can buy your regular card but the last time that rumour went around, I'm almost positive it was shot down. And as far as the semi-pro, it has to do with ammy-rodeos and eligibility (as I understand it ), not rodeos like Calgary, etc.
It's just being put in. Randa was explaining it the other day. The way she explained it is that it is to encourage the rodeos to sanction their rodeos CPRA so that the rodeos will get all the cowboys/cowgirls who are running at the CFR to enter. |
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Location: Texas! | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 8:27 PM bccanchaser16 - 2014-01-08 8:26 PM ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CJE - 2014-01-08 7:12 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-07 7:31 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:17 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-08 6:12 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-08 6:01 PM threeponies - 2014-01-08 5:26 PM There is an update on the Facebook page - part of it says that what they are trying to do wouldn't be until 2015. It also mentions something about a 2 card system, anyone know what the 'two card' reference means on the facebook page? From my understanding if you want to try to qualify for the NFR you buy a certain card and if you don't you buy a different card. Uh, I don't have my CPRA (Canadian Pro ) card but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. There's a permit (need to win $1,000 ) and then a semi-pro (where you need to win $1,000 that same year you purchased it ) and then you can buy your regular card but the last time that rumour went around, I'm almost positive it was shot down. And as far as the semi-pro, it has to do with ammy-rodeos and eligibility (as I understand it ), not rodeos like Calgary, etc.
I thought PRCA tried something similar and were sued for the right to work laws? That is from why I was assuming they rejected the proposal. But could be being fed hot air who knows.
I also just read the new release on the FB page, and I still don't think I like the sounds of it...not trying to jump to conclusions but pretty hard when it makes it sound like they are turning pro rodeo basically into a "4D of rodeo" with a tier and ranking system? Oh I don't know all this is giving me a headache and it won't even be an issue for another year! Yikes! |
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| casualdust07 - 2014-01-08 8:47 PM
I have no idea what is going on with the PRCA and these cowboys. I have no idea what they asked the PRCA to do or not do. Maybe the PRCA is doing the right thing, maybe it's not. I would really like to know WHAT they wanted to change, not just the vague things they are saying.
My only concern is this, when they talk about how people come to see the top professionals in their sport, like THAT'S the reason why people are coming to all the rodeos. Ehhh, part of it. But it's not the main reason, except for the NFR when you wait all year to see WHO is making it.
I personally believe the reason why MOST spectators come to MOST rodeos except the NFR, is for the concert after the rodeo and the carnival/fair activities.
You don't even know who is entered at MOST of the rodeos except for the handful of super big rodeos where they limit the top 50, or invite people and then post it on their website. The only way to know who is up what day and when is if you get your hands on a trade list. People come to the rodeos anyway, not knowing who will be there.
I am all for change if it is fair and good for all members. I still have goals of trying to make it as far to the top as I can in rodeo… I don't know where my limit will be. I hope whatever the change is, it doesn't make people like me feel like it's no longer a possibility to do that. For all I know, this could be in our favor too. Or it couldn't.. I would *really* like to know what they want changed…
ETA- I am not saying people aren't coming to see the rodeo itself or the cowboys. I know as far as we are concerned, when we go to rodeos to watch, that is ALL I care about. But just seeing the people I see spectating at rodeos and I am there, there's a lot of people who are not involved with rodeo personally, who are just coming to watch, that don't keep track of standings, and are just wanting to have a good time that weekend.
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Location: EDGE OF INSANITY | Has everyone seen this? the most interesting thing to me is in the comments -Lynn McKenzie's husband commented. very interesting
1/8/2014
On behalf of the cowboys and cowgirls who issued yesterday’s statement, we want to thank everyone for their support. We understand that everyone would like further answers and details. We ask for your patience as we continue to move forward during this exciting time.
We also would like everyone to understand that our original plan was not to form a new organization. We put everything we had into working over the Christmas break to try and create some meaningful change within the PRCA structure that would have given the top contestants a direct voice on the PRCA board. We want to be more involved with the direction of our sport.
This new effort resulted only after our proposal to the PRCA Board was rejected. As a result we are still in the early stages of formation. Our purpose is to create a model that is better for the fans, committees and top contestants in the sport, but that also has a fair process for people to work their way to the top. Our group is committed to protecting the integrity of the sport of professional rodeo and the meaning of a gold buckle by making sure there is one, true championship.
Some people have expressed an opinion that the current National Finals Rodeo is “just a rodeo” and “it doesn’t really matter which cowboys you put out there.” We believe people that express that opinion do not understand the loyalty of true rodeo fans. We know that true rodeo fans respect the talent and drive it takes to make it to the top of this great sport. We ask you to step up, as we have, and let your voice be heard. It did not work when the NFL tried to have games with replacement players and while we respect every contestant who rodeos, we believe that fans deserve the right to see the very best cowboys and cowgirls compete for a true championship. We are equally committed to making sure that rodeo remains a true sport with a level playing field that allows advancement through the ranks.
Know that we are taking this effort seriously and have involved smart professionals with a strong background in both rodeo and professional sports. You would not see the names quoted in the release supporting this effort if we did not believe it was being done in a thoughtful and first-class way.
Also, we want to make clear that this is an effort that begins with the 2015 season. No one is talking about any disruption to the 2014 season. For that reason, we ask you to understand that rather than throw out details and get bogged down in an open debate on everything wrong with the sport of professional rodeo, we are working systematically to build a system that advances the sport and we look forward to working with everyone who wants to see the sport move to the next level.
Thank you again for your support, trust and patience and please join us in letting everyone know that the cowboys and cowgirls do matter.
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Location: ND | Wow....nobody involved in this has a clue or direction or anything...and obviously knows nothing about PR, business or logic....except LVE......i think TXBO and the boys would love to have these guys sit up to the game as well.......more easy money now that we've got Stressman's....lol |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-01-09 3:06 PM Wow....nobody involved in this has a clue or direction or anything...and obviously knows nothing about PR, business or logic....except LVE......i think TXBO and the boys would love to have these guys sit up to the game as well.......more easy money now that we've got Stressman's....lol
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Location: ND | TXBO - 2014-01-09 3:15 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-09 3:06 PM Wow....nobody involved in this has a clue or direction or anything...and obviously knows nothing about PR, business or logic....except LVE......i think TXBO and the boys would love to have these guys sit up to the game as well.......more easy money now that we've got Stressman's....lol LMAO! I'd love to see the proposal for changing the 18 bylaws.
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-01-09 3:18 PM TXBO - 2014-01-09 3:15 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-09 3:06 PM Wow....nobody involved in this has a clue or direction or anything...and obviously knows nothing about PR, business or logic....except LVE......i think TXBO and the boys would love to have these guys sit up to the game as well.......more easy money now that we've got Stressman's....lol LMAO! I'd love to see the proposal for changing the 18 bylaws.
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| "we believe that fans deserve the right to see the very best cowboys and cowgirls compete for a true championship." This quote was taken from above post by "Horsepoor1".
And sometimes the BEST cowboys and cowgirls are NOT necessarily those who can afford to get into the limited entry rodeos. Limited rodeos prevent many from competing at the NFR, while letting in other competitors who may not be as exciting to watch. I think the "Slot Races" at barrel races are a PRIME example. Where else can you win $100,000 for running a 2D time? ANSWER: SLOT RACES!! WHY? Because they are a LIMITED BARREL RACE. Are they the fastest times in the arena during that whole weekend of events? NO, often times not. And where else can you win $50,000.00 on one barrel racing run?? ANSWER: Closed/limited entry rodeo like Houston, Calgary.... I think it was REAL obvious at this year's NFR in the barrel race. ONE limited entry rodeo with a huge purse prevented a competitor from making the NFR, by allowing in a competitor into the standings who would have NOT made the NFR except for that one win. Just that ONE rodeo did this. IMO limited rodeo's do NOT work in favor of the MAJORITY of competitors. If it doesn't favor the MAJORITY of contestants, it does NOT help promote the sport. Does limiting the "Super Stars" in the eyes of rodeo fans work best for promoting rodeo??? HHHmmmm.... That is a totally different question. I have to do some real thinking on that....
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Crawford said the NFR draws the top 120 cowboys, but their voices are not heard at the PRCA board meetings. Overall, there were 5,071 PRCA contestant card holders in 2013.
This statement is what bothers me. They are really only concerned about themselves. They are trying to sell it that they are wanting to make rodeo better for the fans and all contestants, but I think this comes down to the top 20-25 in each event.
There are a lot more cowboys/cowgirls who go to 25-30 rodeos a year than ones who go to 80+ and "do it for a living".
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Also, not everyone who makes the NFR is rodeoing for a living. I have more than one friend who has made it and they do not rodeo for a living. The years they made it, they did not work their job. They had the horse to try. It worked out. They did it because they wanted to make the NFR, not rodeo for a living. In barrel racing, how many people get there one or two years and never again?
I know the PRCA and WPRA are not perfect. I just don't want either destroyed and end up with no place to rodeo. Or worse, end up with multiple associations and have the number of rodeos limited even more due to having to buy multiple association cards. Like around here, you can go broke buying ammey association cards. We already have enough limited rodeos the way it is.
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Location: ND | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-09 7:48 PM Crawford said the NFR draws the top 120 cowboys, but their voices are not heard at the PRCA board meetings. Overall, there were 5,071 PRCA contestant card holders in 2013.
This statement is what bothers me. They are really only concerned about themselves. They are trying to sell it that they are wanting to make rodeo better for the fans and all contestants, but I think this comes down to the top 20-25 in each event.
There are a lot more cowboys/cowgirls who go to 25-30 rodeos a year than ones who go to 80+ and "do it for a living".
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Location: Broxton, Ga | bingo - 2014-01-08 6:42 PM "we believe that fans deserve the right to see the very best cowboys and cowgirls compete for a true championship." This quote was taken from above post by "Horsepoor1". And sometimes the BEST cowboys and cowgirls are NOT necessarily those who can afford to get into the limited entry rodeos. Limited rodeos prevent many from competing at the NFR, while letting in other competitors who may not be as exciting to watch. I think the "Slot Races" at barrel races are a PRIME example. Where else can you win $100,000 for running a 2D time? ANSWER: SLOT RACES!! WHY? Because they are a LIMITED BARREL RACE. Are they the fastest times in the arena during that whole weekend of events? NO, often times not. And where else can you win $50,000.00 on one barrel racing run?? ANSWER: Closed/limited entry rodeo like Houston, Calgary.... I think it was REAL obvious at this year's NFR in the barrel race. ONE limited entry rodeo with a huge purse prevented a competitor from making the NFR, by allowing in a competitor into the standings who would have NOT made the NFR except for that one win. Just that ONE rodeo did this. IMO limited rodeo's do NOT work in favor of the MAJORITY of competitors. If it doesn't favor the MAJORITY of contestants, it does NOT help promote the sport. Does limiting the "Super Stars" in the eyes of rodeo fans work best for promoting rodeo??? HHHmmmm.... That is a totally different question. I have to do some real thinking on that....
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Location: Texas! | I just saw that Shada "liked" the group Keep the NFR in Vegas. I still don't understand the contestants wanting them to turn down the offer then jumping back in the fight against the PRCA for turning it down? |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | horsepoor1 - 2014-01-09 3:01 PM Has everyone seen this? the most interesting thing to me is in the comments -Lynn McKenzie's husband commented. very interesting 1/8/2014 On behalf of the cowboys and cowgirls who issued yesterday’s statement, we want to thank everyone for their support. We understand that everyone would like further answers and details. We ask for your patience as we continue to move forward during this exciting time. We also would like everyone to understand that our original plan was not to form a new organization. We put everything we had into working over the Christmas break to try and create some meaningful change within the PRCA structure that would have given the top contestants a direct voice on the PRCA board. We want to be more involved with the direction of our sport. This new effort resulted only after our proposal to the PRCA Board was rejected. As a result we are still in the early stages of formation. Our purpose is to create a model that is better for the fans, committees and top contestants in the sport, but that also has a fair process for people to work their way to the top. Our group is committed to protecting the integrity of the sport of professional rodeo and the meaning of a gold buckle by making sure there is one, true championship. Some people have expressed an opinion that the current National Finals Rodeo is “just a rodeo” and “it doesn’t really matter which cowboys you put out there.” We believe people that express that opinion do not understand the loyalty of true rodeo fans. We know that true rodeo fans respect the talent and drive it takes to make it to the top of this great sport. We ask you to step up, as we have, and let your voice be heard. It did not work when the NFL tried to have games with replacement players and while we respect every contestant who rodeos, we believe that fans deserve the right to see the very best cowboys and cowgirls compete for a true championship. We are equally committed to making sure that rodeo remains a true sport with a level playing field that allows advancement through the ranks. Know that we are taking this effort seriously and have involved smart professionals with a strong background in both rodeo and professional sports. You would not see the names quoted in the release supporting this effort if we did not believe it was being done in a thoughtful and first-class way. Also, we want to make clear that this is an effort that begins with the 2015 season. No one is talking about any disruption to the 2014 season. For that reason, we ask you to understand that rather than throw out details and get bogged down in an open debate on everything wrong with the sport of professional rodeo, we are working systematically to build a system that advances the sport and we look forward to working with everyone who wants to see the sport move to the next level. Thank you again for your support, trust and patience and please join us in letting everyone know that the cowboys and cowgirls do matter. The Organizing Top Cowboys and Cowgirls
What exactly is the definition of a "true champion"?? The term is used twice here...I'm sincerely curious what they mean? |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | WYOracer - 2014-01-09 9:21 PM
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Location: Texas | CrossCreek - 2014-01-09 9:29 PM
WYOracer - 2014-01-09 9:21 PM
That is my biggest fear as well. I am busting my butt so that I can hopefully within the next 6 months to year return to rodeo competition. I would hate for all my efforts to suddenly get squashed in a new format that keeps the little dog out. |
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Location: Texas! | What I am wondering how do they expect to fill these big 10 day rodeos that they are planning to what steal away from PRCA with 25 contestants? The people coming to Cheyenne sitting in those seats don't know who they're cheering for (of course many do and are rodeo people and year round fans), I've watched rounds in the perf where not one girl ran a time that placed in the rodeo and didn't recognize a single name but those people cheered and rooted like they were cheering Sherry Cervi to a new title! They are there because that rodeo is so historic not just to see Trevor Brazil or whoever else MIGHT be up that day.
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Location: Texas | WYOracer - 2014-01-09 9:41 PM
What I am wondering how do they expect to fill these big 10 day rodeos that they are planning to what steal away from PRCA with 25 contestants? The people coming to Cheyenne sitting in those seats don't know who they're cheering for (of course many do and are rodeo people and year round fans), I've watched rounds in the perf where not one girl ran a time that placed in the rodeo and didn't recognize a single name but those people cheered and rooted like they were cheering Sherry Cervi to a new title! They are there because that rodeo is so historic not just to see Trevor Brazil or whoever else MIGHT be up that day.
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Location: Texas! | TxBronc - 2014-01-09 10:11 PM I see some comments against this and some saying its amateur hour. My thought is I bet the top bull riders don't wish they were back in the PRCA. And I think Trevor and the guys who are pushing this are probably further ahead of the game than the group who started the PBR was at the same point. My question is, is there enough interest in all events rodeo for it to take off like PBR? I mean I am not a bull riding fan at all but its the most known, watched and cheered for event in rodeo for non rodeo people. Its easy to understand and dangerous and people love it! Kinda like NASCAR simple go around in a bunch of circles someone might go up in flames and someone wins! WHOO HOO! Will there be enough fan base to really keep it going for just a few contestants at a few select venues around the country? Just some thoughts I have, I still want more info but looks like that isn't coming anytime soon. Oh well, guess we will just have to wait and see!
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Location: Madill Ok | The elephant in the room..... so........ wheres the wpra going to stand in all of this or will they be out, invited guest, etc. etc. etc. ??? |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | dhdqhllc - 2014-01-09 3:06 PM Wow....nobody involved in this has a clue or direction or anything...and obviously knows nothing about PR, business or logic....except LVE......i think TXBO and the boys would love to have these guys sit up to the game as well.......more easy money now that we've got Stressman's....lol I think you nailed it.
This is complete speculation on a lot of people's part, but this is what people were guessing might be LVE's plans. Only they know for sure. But, I bet they have a plan.
LVE was going to get the "Big 20", or so. In other words, get the largest added money rodeos to all go with them, then have a finals in Vegas. Like people have pointed out, Houston and Calgary have proven they don't need to be sanctioned PRCA to get contestants. LVE could get the committees and contractors for the other rodeos to go with them.
The thing is, many of these rodeos are already the top contestant's, in the world standings, rodeos. They are limited anywhere from 20-108 or so entries. If they want in, they get in.
There really is no need for a whole new association, this one is already geared toward them.
The way it is now, at least people have a chance to work their way up. Example, Taylor Jacob. She couldn't get in the limited building rodeos last year, but she dang sure can this year.
How will someone be able to work their way up?
Maybe a new association will go after all the rodeos so they have a way for people to move up. Otherwise, won't they have the same 50 contestants every year?
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Location: Texas! | ozcancrasher13 - 2014-01-10 8:06 AM dhdqhllc - 2014-01-09 3:06 PM Wow....nobody involved in this has a clue or direction or anything...and obviously knows nothing about PR, business or logic....except LVE......i think TXBO and the boys would love to have these guys sit up to the game as well.......more easy money now that we've got Stressman's....lol I think you nailed it.
This is complete speculation on a lot of people's part, but this is what people were guessing might be LVE's plans. Only they know for sure. But, I bet they have a plan.
LVE was going to get the "Big 20", or so. In other words, get the largest added money rodeos to all go with them, then have a finals in Vegas. Like people have pointed out, Houston and Calgary have proven they don't need to be sanctioned PRCA to get contestants. LVE could get the committees and contractors for the other rodeos to go with them.
The thing is, many of these rodeos are already the top contestant's, in the world standings, rodeos. They are limited anywhere from 20-108 or so entries. If they want in, they get in.
There really is no need for a whole new association, this one is already geared toward them.
The way it is now, at least people have a chance to work their way up. Example, Taylor Jacob. She couldn't get in the limited building rodeos last year, but she dang sure can this year.
How will someone be able to work their way up?
Maybe a new association will go after all the rodeos so they have a way for people to move up. Otherwise, won't they have the same 50 contestants every year?
Well if this is the case and they do take all the big rodeos looks like I'm going to have to plan on entering some of my bucket lists this year :( |
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| TxBronc - 2014-01-19 3:58 AM Any updates? Seems like things got real quite all the sudden.
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Location: Ky | We just got back from Key West but the reason I'm posting is because going down to Key West we flew from Nashville to Ft Lauderdale Sat. There were couple of ladies on that flight that were decked out in wesetrn attire and had on NFR gear. One of them looked familiar and I thought she was one of the barrel racers. I asked her about the NFR and it turns out she is not a barrel racer but works for the production company that puts on the telecasts of the NFR.
She was clueless as to where it would be moved and the logistics of it. She said they had been told Fl or Texas or stay in Vegas. It might move this year, it might move in 2015 or 2016.
She was really frustrated with the decision makers and them keeping her company in limbo. She said they should be working on the 2014 NFR right now, and I would think that's probably right, but couldn't without direction on where it will be.
But she was on the way to a meeting with her company execs and hoping they knew something.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jd&ez - 2014-01-23 11:51 AM We just got back from Key West but the reason I'm posting is because going down to Key West we flew from Nashville to Ft Lauderdale Sat. There were couple of ladies on that flight that were decked out in wesetrn attire and had on NFR gear. One of them looked familiar and I thought she was one of the barrel racers. I asked her about the NFR and it turns out she is not a barrel racer but works for the production company that puts on the telecasts of the NFR.
She was clueless as to where it would be moved and the logistics of it. She said they had been told Fl or Texas or stay in Vegas. It might move this year, it might move in 2015 or 2016.
She was really frustrated with the decision makers and them keeping her company in limbo. She said they should be working on the 2014 NFR right now, and I would think that's probably right, but couldn't without direction on where it will be.
But she was on the way to a meeting with her company execs and hoping they knew something.
The lack of communications on this, even among the people that should be in the know, is remarkable.
Contract wise....it will be in Vegas for 2014........new contracts and/or venue will start 2015. |
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Location: That part of Texas | This article says we might know something by Friday -- all 3 (Florida, Vegas, Texas) are still in play:
http://www.therodeoroundup.com/news/wnfr-las-vegas-response-no-answer/ |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NJJ - 2014-01-23 12:08 PM jd&ez - 2014-01-23 11:51 AM We just got back from Key West but the reason I'm posting is because going down to Key West we flew from Nashville to Ft Lauderdale Sat. There were couple of ladies on that flight that were decked out in wesetrn attire and had on NFR gear. One of them looked familiar and I thought she was one of the barrel racers. I asked her about the NFR and it turns out she is not a barrel racer but works for the production company that puts on the telecasts of the NFR.
She was clueless as to where it would be moved and the logistics of it. She said they had been told Fl or Texas or stay in Vegas. It might move this year, it might move in 2015 or 2016.
She was really frustrated with the decision makers and them keeping her company in limbo. She said they should be working on the 2014 NFR right now, and I would think that's probably right, but couldn't without direction on where it will be.
But she was on the way to a meeting with her company execs and hoping they knew something.
The lack of communications on this, even among the people that should be in the know, is remarkable. Contract wise....it will be in Vegas for 2014........new contracts and/or venue will start 2015.
I was going to say the samething and it's evident the woman on the plane is indeed clueless..LOL
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