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| I know most people prefer registered horses especially for barrel racing but just out of curiosity anyone out there run on a grade horse? I've run on both grade and registered andI personally prefer a registered horse because I like to look at bloodlines. |
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Location: Deep South | CanChaser30 - 2014-01-08 2:20 PM
I know most people prefer registered horses especially for barrel racing but just out of curiosity anyone out there run on a grade horse? I've run on both grade and registered andI personally prefer a registered horse because I like to look at bloodlines.
I have ran and won on grade horses before, but now I buy with resale value in mind and grade horses just aren't as easy to sell as registered horses. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Heck. It's hard to sell one with royal bloodlines. |
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Location: Texas | I don't care if the horse is registered or not if he or she is a good horse. |
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Location: Washington | I personally like registered for different reasons. Mostly because you have an idea of what your going to have when you look at the papers. Don't get me wrong there are royaly bred horses that would go faster if you flipped them on their back and drug them through the pattern by the forelock. But you do have a better idea of what your going to have on your hands vs getting a grade and not having a clue what it truly is. |
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| CanCan - 2014-01-08 6:28 PM
Heck. It's hard to sell one with royal bloodlines.
Depends on the price you are askimg |
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| I have always set pretty high goals for myself and my horses. Mine get used. I started out on a grade horse that was 14 hands and rodeoed in college on her. I have always tried to improve on the quality of horses that I own. Since I don't ride as well I as used to I turn the riding over to my trainer. For futurities and registered shows you just about have to have registered horses. Everything that I own now except my babies has an ROM in something. Like I said mine get used.
I think it depends on your personal goals. If a grade horse works for you go for it. If you enjoy futurities and registered shows get registered horses with the bloodlines that work well in your chosen discipline.
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| i have two grade barrel horses and one registered. my registered runs about a whole second faster than my grades every time, BUT my grade mare has had her good days, outrunning some high dollar horses when she is sound and feeling really good. but i would put money on my registered anyday because he has ran the best for my. IMO |
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| Grade horses you may not know the bloodlines but this does not mean that the horse does not have the ability to be great there r many horses that have amazing bloodlines turn out to be nothing also. It all depends on the horse. |
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| I won't buy a grade horse, as there are too many dishonest people, you cannot prove age, breed, or lineage.
There are good grade horses, but I buy young and won't take a gamble with a young grade horse |
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| I have a grade QH mix, shs a QHxMFTxArab. 3/4 QH 1/16 MFT and 1/16 Arab. She was just an oops, stud got into her moms field as far as I know. But shes been a blessing, I love her more then anything. She is FINALLY starting to come around to barrels.
Now in saying that, I know a while back there was a girl who made it it the NFR on a grade horse and placed. I know there are TONS of good conformationed(not a word but I made it one today xD) horses. But if you are wanting yo know what you are getting, get registered horse. That way you can see the lines and see if it has potential etc. But take in to account, not all horses who are bred for barrels, will do barrels. Pretty much in all honesty, its the horse who makes it or breaks it. Not the bloodlines, you cant ride papers. |
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Location: Canada | I've run both grade and registered.
If looking at prospects or something without a proven history I want registered. The simply fact is that I buy with the idea I'll resell later once it's finished or tuned and starting a nice record so I want something that if it doesn't run top 1D or 2D, usually the papers will help sell it. (Around here people will buy a gelding who can't run a pattern but has a nice set of papers just so they can say I own a horse that's is sired/out of/a grandson of .....)
If it's proven and a gelding I personally don't give too hoots if it has papers. It has the track record and it can't reproduce anyway so I'll look at grade and registered equally. I'm one who will pay equal price for a either a registered or non-registered gelding with the same stats. If looking at two horses of equal training/stats etc I won't pay more for a gelding who is proven and finished and has exceptional papers over a grade gelding who is also proven and finished and running in the same league as the gelding with exceptional papers.
If it's a mare, and rarely do I buy mares (proven or otherwise), I always want papers. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I only own registered because I look for breeding and resale value, but If i came across a grade horse who was undeniably good at barrels and for the right price then I wouldnt say no to it. But If it were between a registered and grade horse I would go for registered every time. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | I used to run a 1D Horse, she was FAST FAST FAST and you could head at that barrel at ANY ANGLE and she would turn it and get it done, This mare was FLAT wicked. She is now 19 and retired with a stifle injury. She earned me so much money and gave me so many good runs, she gets to live out her days with me until God calls her home to greener pastures.
THAT being said I would never buy grade again, cause as others said the resale value just isnt there. AND also the fact as others said you can see what you're going to get ( or at least get a good idea).
I bought the mare mentioned above as a 7 year old with a hauling card and all and she'd been with the same family since she was a yearling. The horse industry wasnt what it is now so resale wasnt an issue.
Now however with this economy, resale is ALWAYS an issue. and something to think about |
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| i dont really care if a horse is grade or registered. ive had a barrel horse that was registered and sucked but had great bloodlines. And i have a gelding that is supposedly registered but no one will give me his papers they claim they were "lost" so i consider him a grade and he places me in the top of the 3D at big races. and at small races in the 1D. |
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| I don't think there is anything wrong with running a grade horse. To me the only thing useful in having a registered horse is to breed it (assuming it is correct in conformation and structure. Not to mention it must not be a gelding). I have a registered AQHA gelding and the only benefit I have with him, is my eligibility for AQHA shows and futurities, when he was futurity and derby age (which I never was able to do with him, because I didn't own him then). Other than that I could still run him at all the local jackpots, NBHA, High School Rodeo, and YRA if he was "just" a grade gelding.
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Location: The Republic of Texas | BarrelsRmyLife - 2014-01-08 10:31 PM
I personally like registered for different reasons. Mostly because you have an idea of what your going to have when you look at the papers. Don't get me wrong there are royaly bred horses that would go faster if you flipped them on their back and drug them through the pattern by the forelock. But you do have a better idea of what your going to have on your hands vs getting a grade and not having a clue what it truly is.
Don't get me wrong there are royaly bred horses that would go faster if you flipped them on their back and drug them through the pattern by the forelock.....
omg, there went the soda i was drinking.....now that is a mental picture..........lol  |
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Location: Texas | If horse had a proven record I would buy it, but I would never buy a grade prospect. |
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| I wouldn't hold it against the horse. It all comes down to how comfortable you are with your ability to see a horses potential. Would I spend 10k on a grade prospect? No.. but for a good price would I take a chance? You better believe it. The clock dosnt care about papers. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I won't own a grade horse simply because there are so many genetic diseases out there now that you won't know they have if they are grade, and unscrupulous horse traders will get rid of their papers and sell them as grade if they're a good looking, nice broke horse and then when the horse collapses or ties up after running, you won't know why. Also, I train for resale, and it's hard to get your money out of a grade horse. |
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Location: Tx | I just recently (in the last 2 months) purchased 2 new horses... 1, 6 year old, grade gelding, and 1, 6 year old, very well bred gelding. I did not care about papers when purchasing my grade guy because he was such a good beginners horse, but I have since done some research and contacted previous owners and such and he Sun Frost bred but it will never make a difference to me because he is so awesome with my 2 and 4 year old.
But when I was looking for me, I was looking for registered for resale value, just in case he is not a lifer at our place.
I ran 1 grade and 1 OTTB growing up, in high school purchased another grade that I ran, in college I ran 2 registered horses... Doesn't really make a difference to me but my husband always worries about resale values and registered usually brings more. |
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Location: Oklahoma | dianeguinn - 2014-03-24 12:20 AM I won't own a grade horse simply because there are so many genetic diseases out there now that you won't know they have if they are grade, and unscrupulous horse traders will get rid of their papers and sell them as grade if they're a good looking, nice broke horse and then when the horse collapses or ties up after running, you won't know why. Also, I train for resale, and it's hard to get your money out of a grade horse.
This!
With so many backyard breeders and irresponsible horse people how would you ever know that the horse wasn't inbred? That would be my biggest fear of all. |
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Location: Canada | If you love a horse, then you love it. But I am for papers, but I have many friends with grade horses. But I wouldn't hesitate to ride a grade horse. But thats just me. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Here is another reason I don't buy grade. Was contacted today through facebook because a new friend had looked through my photos and realized she had a grade mare that had my brand. She knew the mare was so nice that she probably had papers somewhere, and wanted to find out how she was bred. I told her the mare would probably be dead now, as I had owned her in the late '80's and she did confirm that the mare had died a couple of years ago, but they would still like to know how she was bred. They were told she was 20 when they purchased her for their daughter. The mare was foaled in 1973, which made her around 30 when these people purchased her. This is not the first time people have contacted me about a grade horse that had my brand that ended up a LOT older than it was represented to be. I've never owned a grade horse, so if it has my brand, it had papers at one time....and everytime I'm contacted about a horse I used to own, we find out that the horse is actually at least 10 years older than what they were represented. Unfortunately, unscrupulous horse traders will throw away the papers on a nice barrel horse that's around 19/20 (the mare I mentioned above was 15 when I sold her) and sell them for a 10 to 12 yr old to unsuspecting buyers. Each time they're sold, they take a few years off. There's no way of knowing by their teeth how old they are after they are 12 or so....and the traders know it. No way will I buy a grade horse. I want to know who's owned the horse, how old it truly is, and what kind of genetics are behind it. JMO
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| I like having papers. I like having excellent breeding to ensure that I have at least a decent chance of training this horse to be competitive, based on it's family history. In fact, if i'm going to pour all my time and money into a prospect to possibly re-sell, I HAVE TO have papers and at least decent breeding. Period. I like to know how it's bred, I like to know the exact age, I like to know who bred it, who has previously owned it etc. It also makes the horse more valuable, especially if it's a fertile mare that could eventually be bred. HOWEVER- If i'm buying a finished horse to keep for myself, and it is a proven winner, I don't care about breeding. It can be WP bred for all care, as long as it's running at the level I want. I do need papers though, it's like a form of insurance to me to prove that I really am buying what I think I am buying. But I do like people coming in and kicking butt on their grade horses! So fun and inspiring to watch  |
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Location: Pa | CanCan - 2014-01-08 6:28 PM
Heck. It's hard to sell one with royal bloodlines.
Isn't this the truth!!! Lol |
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Location: Pa | Honestly , it all just depends on the horse. The horses attitude and heart. I have a complete mut pony who will knock the sox off some registered horses. But like I said , it all depends on the horse . They all deserve. Chance to prove themselves (: |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Both my barrel horses are registered. I've had both good and bad registered ones and good and bad grade ones. For barrel racing, I won't buy a grade. However, for the family to ride around on trails, etc., I would consider something if it's cheap enough. But like Diane said, if it's advertised as 16 it's probably 26 or older. I don't think I'd pick up a grade that's not obviously younger. But again, you never do know the genetics and health potentials so it's a risk for sure.
I do currently have 2 grades, but both were rescues. The gelding I've had for quite a while and he's 13 now. The other one is a yearling. The gelding has sooo many behavioral issues stemming from his past, but is good for hubby trail horse so he suits our needs. The baby is a mystery at this point so I'll have to see how she turns out. I wouldn't dismiss putting her on barrels, but I also didn't get her for resale so it's no concern one way or another whether she can run.
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| I currently own 2 grade horses. I was able to ride both horses for at least a month before purchasing, and i will say, they are probably the two best horses Ive ever had. Hearts the size of texas and no major health issues at all. I also know that both had papers at some point, but have been lost. I have been able to track most of them back, and verify age within 2 years. And yes both are older horses. 1 is 24 years old, and the other is 17 years old. Both still run barrels and poles. The 17 year old is my rodeo horse, and she still places and wins. The other runs 2d-3d at jackpots and nbha shows and 4d at big barrel races. Not having papers doesn't bother me as long as the horse is good at its job and trustworthy.
Papers can be forged also. I know a horse that is actually 5 this year, but her papers say she is 4 years old due to issues with the breeding reports and such. But the horse still has papers.... |
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Location: here | Some of our best have been grade. Im willing to take the chance |
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