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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | By Dr Laura Schlessinger. Has anyone read it? If so, what did you think? | |
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 Worst.Housekeeper.EVER.
    Location: Missouri | I did and I hated it. Her entire theory is based on reciprocity. You give, and give, and give, and someday, he will give back. This probably works for some, and maybe some need this message. But, in my relationship, it was hurtful and counter-productive. Just my experience, I'm sure many have benefitted. 
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       Location: relocated to Texas | just4fun - 2014-01-09 8:44 PM I did and I hated it. Her entire theory is based on reciprocity. You give, and give, and give, and someday, he will give back. This probably works for some, and maybe some need this message. But, in my relationship, it was hurtful and counter-productive.
Just my experience, I'm sure many have benefited.
I am just curious. How is giving to someone hurtful and counter productive? Serious question, I am not challenging your view. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | What do you suppose she means by that title? | |
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    Location: Missouri | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-08 9:46 PM just4fun - 2014-01-09 8:44 PM I did and I hated it. Her entire theory is based on reciprocity. You give, and give, and give, and someday, he will give back. This probably works for some, and maybe some need this message. But, in my relationship, it was hurtful and counter-productive.
Just my experience, I'm sure many have benefited.
I am just curious. How is giving to someone hurtful and counter productive? Serious question, I am not challenging your view.
Because, in my situation at the time, I was giving 4000%, my entire being, and every time he didn't respond, I felt like more and more of a failure. I finally learned that I should be/do/feel not for his approval or appreciation, but because it was the right thing to do. I COULD NOT control his response, which I felt was exactly opposite of what this book was trying to teach. BTW, that was about 10 years ago when we were newly weds, new parents, moved cross-country for his job, and I was suffering PPD (his perspective was that I was crazy). We're doing worlds better now :) | |
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       Location: relocated to Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-09 8:56 PM What do you suppose she means by that title?
Well, it leaves little to ponder. I don't think she is talking about feeding with pastry, LOL (Or maybe a little pastry in moderation.) | |
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| I read it a long time ago when I was a liberal and thought it was stupid. But honestly, if my husband knows that I LIVE for my horses and if it came down to him or the horses, I would probably pick them...what does it hurt if I put on some mascara and smile for him when he gets home or make dinner to show how much I DO appreciate him? | |
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       Location: relocated to Texas | just4fun - 2014-01-09 9:02 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-08 9:46 PM just4fun - 2014-01-09 8:44 PM I did and I hated it. Her entire theory is based on reciprocity. You give, and give, and give, and someday, he will give back. This probably works for some, and maybe some need this message. But, in my relationship, it was hurtful and counter-productive. Just my experience, I'm sure many have benefited. I am just curious. How is giving to someone hurtful and counter productive? Serious question, I am not challenging your view. Because, in my situation at the time, I was giving 4000%, my entire being, and every time he didn't respond, I felt like more and more of a failure. I finally learned that I should be/do/feel not for his approval or appreciation, but because it was the right thing to do. I COULD NOT control his response, which I felt was exactly opposite of what this book was trying to teach. BTW, that was about 10 years ago when we were newly weds, new parents, moved cross-country for his job, and I was suffering PPD (his perspective was that I was crazy). We're doing worlds better now :) I wonder, could it be that you were giving and expecting a certain response that you didn't get? I think as women we tend to do that. Sometimes we expect them to read our minds and they are just too primitive to think on our level, LOL Glad to hear that your relationship is doing better now. All relationships are a work in progress. Marriage is never 50/50 - is it?
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I haven't read the book, but I have heard a lot about it over the years. I remember how it was a very objectionable title to a lot of women. | |
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    Location: Missouri | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-08 10:07 PM just4fun - 2014-01-09 9:02 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-08 9:46 PM just4fun - 2014-01-09 8:44 PM I did and I hated it. Her entire theory is based on reciprocity. You give, and give, and give, and someday, he will give back. This probably works for some, and maybe some need this message. But, in my relationship, it was hurtful and counter-productive.
Just my experience, I'm sure many have benefited.
I am just curious. How is giving to someone hurtful and counter productive? Serious question, I am not challenging your view. Because, in my situation at the time, I was giving 4000%, my entire being, and every time he didn't respond, I felt like more and more of a failure. I finally learned that I should be/do/feel not for his approval or appreciation, but because it was the right thing to do. I COULD NOT control his response, which I felt was exactly opposite of what this book was trying to teach.
BTW, that was about 10 years ago when we were newly weds, new parents, moved cross-country for his job, and I was suffering PPD (his perspective was that I was crazy). We're doing worlds better now :)
I wonder, could it be that you were giving and expecting a certain response that you didn't get? I think as women we tend to do that. Sometimes we expect them to read our minds and they are just to primitive to think on that level, LOL
Glad to hear that your relationship is doing better now. All relationships are a work in progress. Marriage is never 50/50 - is it?
No, it's never 50/50 ! What a hard lesson, huh?  Yes, I was giving my all, and I expected him to give something, anything. I don't want to rat on him, but suffice it to say that he had to decide for himself that he wanted to be married and I had to dig deep and hang on to the tiny shred of faith that I had left. It was a hard, dark, and lonely time. | |
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                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | My husband does a great job at feeding us. He likes to cook..I don't.
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      Location: sunny california | just4fun - 2014-01-08 8:15 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-08 10:07 PM just4fun - 2014-01-09 9:02 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-01-08 9:46 PM just4fun - 2014-01-09 8:44 PM I did and I hated it. Her entire theory is based on reciprocity. You give, and give, and give, and someday, he will give back. This probably works for some, and maybe some need this message. But, in my relationship, it was hurtful and counter-productive.
Just my experience, I'm sure many have benefited.
I am just curious. How is giving to someone hurtful and counter productive? Serious question, I am not challenging your view. Because, in my situation at the time, I was giving 4000%, my entire being, and every time he didn't respond, I felt like more and more of a failure. I finally learned that I should be/do/feel not for his approval or appreciation, but because it was the right thing to do. I COULD NOT control his response, which I felt was exactly opposite of what this book was trying to teach.
BTW, that was about 10 years ago when we were newly weds, new parents, moved cross-country for his job, and I was suffering PPD (his perspective was that I was crazy). We're doing worlds better now :)
I wonder, could it be that you were giving and expecting a certain response that you didn't get? I think as women we tend to do that. Sometimes we expect them to read our minds and they are just to primitive to think on that level, LOL
Glad to hear that your relationship is doing better now. All relationships are a work in progress. Marriage is never 50/50 - is it? No, it's never 50/50 ! What a hard lesson, huh?
Yes, I was giving my all, and I expected him to give something, anything. I don't want to rat on him, but suffice it to say that he had to decide for himself that he wanted to be married and I had to dig deep and hang on to the tiny shred of faith that I had left. It was a hard, dark, and lonely time.
you say it didn't help but who is to say it didn't? maybe it was just not happening fast enough. It is possible that all the effort you put in did sink in and your hubby had a slow learning curve. Who knows if you would be where your are today if you had not read that book and tried some of the advice! | |
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   Location: Central TX | i recently read it. I wish i had read it before i got divorced....... i think that giving as much as you can to your husband is absolutely necessary. | |
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        Location: southeast Texas | The book has a lot of valid points.  If I remember correctly, she is trying to teach women on how to train men. As a rule, men don't operate/think like women. Having that tool and how to apply it can give a women advantages they never had before. | |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Someone gave it to me as a wedding present 10 years ago, but I never bothered to crack the cover. What I know of it is what my mom did early in their marriage and it almost killed her. They have been married 41 years now, by the Grace of God, because my dad never changed. She had to change to be able to live with him happily and it did not include doing extra for him and allowing him to be the center of her universe. He doesn't appreciate service, he takes it as his due, and is a workaholic. I made it a point to marry someone very different, and we are happily married without the aid of a book.  | |
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          Location: Kentucky | Just from the title of it, I wouldn't read it or buy it. It sounds like a book you buy when you pick up your new puppy at the pet store. | |
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     Location: Texas | I've read the cliff notes. I hope Schlessinger has no daughters to raise. | |
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        Location: Gainesville, TX | I prefer Tough Love by James Dobson. | |
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    Location: Midwest | My mother used to listen to her radio show when I was younger. I couldn't stand her then, and that opinion hasn't changed. lol | |
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| I know men and women are different but I don't think treating someone with love, kindness and respect is gender specific. My first reaction to the title is it is not just the woman's responsibility to make a marriage a happy one. Maybe she has a book out there for men too, idk. I am generally a fan of Dr. Laura's but don't always agree. We have been married 25 years and have never had a rough year, did not fight much. Our marriage is based on what can I do to make the other happy. The youngest is now 20, I still don't work so I do wait on him when he gets home from work. A small gesture of appreciation for how hard he works and all he does for our family. He knows he is loved and appreciated and likes to feel like the king of the castle. He supports and encourages my riding habit, never saids a word about the $$ I spend. If both spouses work, I would expect both to help with dinner, chores- do what ever it is to make life better for the other.
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    Location: Midwest | i looked up the cliff's notes. in case anyone is interested. Dr. Laura Schlessinger has written another book that deserves a place on the best seller list with six of her other books, such as Ten Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives and Ten Stupid Things Men Do to Mess Up Their Lives. The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, from this unmarried man’s perspective, is an excellent manual for women on how to get want they want from men and marriage and, generally, how to be happy. Dr. Laura makes a number of important, practical points, based on her experience in private practice, from advising her radio callers, and from literally hundreds of letters and emails she received from men and women while she was writing the book. Here are the points that struck this writer, together with commentary: 1. Men Need Women, and This Need Gives Women Huge Influence. Dr. Laura states the point as follows: “[M]en are simple creatures who come from a woman, are nurtured and brought up by a woman, and yearn for the continued love, admiration, and approval from a woman.” Women have great power and influence over men, and wives in particular have tremendous power over their husbands. How they use this power essentially controls the relationship, because women are the masters of most relationships and marriages. That’s why Dr. Laura says that she probably won’t write The Proper Care and Feeding of Wives: wives already have most of the power and their marriages depend, for the most part, on them. 2. Women Err in Favoring Children Over Husband. A friend once told this writer that once a woman has children, her husband is relegated to the moral equivalence of a piece of furniture. How sad if this is true in many marriages. Here’s how Dr. Laura puts it: “Once wives became mothers, they had no time to be wives. The men would even compliment their wives on being great mothers, but expressed considerable pain over not being shown love, affection, or sexual interest. The typical reply from a wife challenged with this was ‘I only have time to take care of one person, and our child is that person. I’m just too tired for you.’ This puts fathers in the ugly and uncomfortable position of feeling competitive with and resentful of their children, whom they love so much.” 3. Men and Women Are Different. That men and women are deeply different ought not to be notable, but for the fact that it is so often challenged today. Dr. Laura says that society tries to make both men and women “unisex.” But men are happiest being men, and women are happiest being women, with few exceptions. The differences start to manifest themselves very early. In one study Dr. Laura mentions, a barrier was placed between 1 year-old babies and their mothers. What did the little boys do? They attempted to get around the barrier or knock it down. The little girls? They cried until their mothers’ picked them up. Men tend to respond to things physically, women verbally. In fact, the two sexes are just right for each other. 4. Not Every Thought and Feeling Needs to be Said. Women tend to be so verbal, so expressive, that they can tire out men easily unless they exercise some restraint. Dr. Laura reports that wives generally overwhelm their husbands with communication. “Husbands imagine (so foolishly) that their wives are telling them something they actually need to know because they’re supposed to do something about it. Otherwise, men can’t imagine why the ‘communication’ is happening at all. It confuses them, frustrates them, and their response is to turn off. That’s when they unfairly become labeled insensitive.” Husbands and fiances are not girlfriends or psychologists, and women who want attention should adjust their communication style accordingly when speaking with them. 5. Men Are Not Mind-Readers. Most men are not very intuitive compared to most women. Many women “get caught up in the absurdly romanticized notion that ‘if he loved me, he’d just know what I’m thinking, what I’d like, what he should say.’” If a woman wants her man to do something, she should just ask him plainly, without nagging, and show appreciation when he does it. To act otherwise, as many women do, shows arrogance and lack of respect for the husband’s difference, and it leads to unhappiness in the marriage and in the family. 6. Man Is an Embodied Soul. No, Dr. Laura didn’t put it that way; “embodied soul” is a Catholic concept. But that concept is what underlies her discussion of how important it is to a man that his wife try to keep up her appearance. What does it mean that we are embodied souls? It means that our bodies are integral parts of who we are. We are not just souls. Our bodies are not like clothing that we can take on or off. There was no time during which we had only souls and not bodies, and in eternity as well we will have bodies. It is through our bodies, in fact, that we communicate to our loved ones and to the rest of the world. One thinks of the beautiful line from the old Anglican marriage rite: bride and groom pledge to each other “with my body I thee worship.” It is ironic, but in many cases men–sex-crazed pigs in the minds of many women–actually have a truer understanding of the beauty of the body and the meaning of the marital embrace than their wives do. “Objectification” may come as much or more from the woman’s side as from the husband’s if the woman sees her own body as being separate from rather than an integral part of herself. Dr. Laura writes: “In reading all the letters from men, I was struck by their depth of senstivity about the issue of women’s appearance. It wasn’t an impersonal, animal reaction (as it is with women the men don’t personally know), it was a deeply personal one. The wife’s comfort with and appreciation of her own body and femininity, and her willingness to share that with her husband, actually fed his sense of well-being, his feeling of being loved as a husband and valued as a ‘man.’” 7. Infidelity by Omission. Brides and grooms make a number of vows, not only of sexual fidelity. Marital vows include and imply words like love, honor, protect, and care for. “[W]hen one breaches those vows by neglect, is that also not a form of infidelity? Perhaps we should start looking at the act of intentionally depriving a spouse of legitimate needs as infidelity, too, because it stems from being unfaithful to the intent of the vows.” 8. In the Bedroom. To her credit, Dr. Laura gives due place to the importance for marriage of the marital act: “The bedroom is the foundation of marriage and family.” St. Josemaria Escriva, founder of Opus Dei, that supposedly conservative institution within the Church, put it this way: “The marriage bed is an altar.” Enough said? 9. Women Should Appreciate Men’s Masculinity. Dr. Laura relates a trip she made recently to a swimming pool. A mom and a dad were wading with their infant child. Mom held the child against her chest, cooed to him, and swooped him up and down. She passed the baby to dad. He turned the baby’s face outward and swooshed him forward and up into the air. “Mom equals protection and nurturance. Dad equals autonomy and adventure. It is the perfect balance that helps produce a functional, secure human being.” Too many women, though, act like Alice Kramdens, constantly belitting their husbands, shooting down their aspirations, treating them like children. Dr. Laura writes: “When a wife treats her man like he’s one of her children, when she puts him down or thwarts his need for autonomy, adventure, risk, competition, challenge, and conquest, she ends up with a sullen, unooperative, unloving, hostile lump.” 10. Thou Shalt Not Covet. Dr. Laura contributes a novel (to this writer) and insightful contemporary application of the commandment, “thou shal not covet.” Specifically, she understands it as a rebuke to people who want it all, especially feminists. “Perhaps the feminist notions about women having power if they do it all has obstructed too many women’s ability to realize that in real life we all make choices, and that the true joy and meaning of life is not in how many things we have or do, but in the sacrifice and commitment we make to others within the context of the choices we’ve made. The Tenth Commandment, about coveting, reminds us that none of us can have everything there is nor everything we want. Without enjoying and appreciating our gifts and blessings, we create a hell on earth for ourselves and for those who love us.”
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | I guess it sounds like most people who have healthy successful marriages may cite a variety of different reasons for their success, but if I had to pick the biggest reason for most of them, it boils down to putting your wife or husband before yourself....and having a partner who does the same thing. So obvious and simple to me, yet so rare in reality. For those of us who have failed in the past, we realize how rare and precious a healthy marriage can be. Traditional "roles" of husbands and wives have value as well as recognizing differences between men and women (Mars/Venus sorta things). I think it's fair to say that a healthy successful marriage is the most important lifetime accomplishment for most people, yet it is one of the most neglected endeavors. | |
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| IDK, something about the phraserubs me the wrong way. No one should be the master of any relationhship. Most of her points I agree with, my husband always came before the kids but we were on the same page parenting so we did not have any conflicts.
As far as a woman wanting it all, I agree, it is hard to do but a man can't want it all either, i.e. a working wife who also takes on all the responsiblitlies of a stay a home mom.
As Hotbear said, kindness and respect, put the other first. Simple gestures go a long way. I recently made an 8 hour round trip drive to pick up a new kitten. My husband offered to go with me just so I could hold and play with the kitty on the way home. I told him no, you are in your truck or stuck in a plane traveling for work all the time, you don't have to spend another day doing that for me, but it made me smile that he was sweet enough to offer.
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     Location: Texas | Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket. | |
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| I've read her books. I'm by nature a very selfish person. My husband is not! This book reminds me that I need to take a step back and cherish him for the amazing person he is. I think it's amazing how good I can make him feel with a simple little thing like cooking him his favorite dinner (that I hate) or putting on something pretty even when I want to be a vegetable. Lingerie is just as good for watching movies as baggy t-shirts (who knew???)
It's the little things that make us giggle like little kids together, and they don't happen if I don't get off my high horse or whatever it is I'm riding around and tell him how great he is.
Sometimes me just saying, "I'm so sorry babe, today was hard and I'm being a *****. It's not your fault." or "Oh my God! You're making me crazy and it's your fault because ..... Can you please find a 60 foot perimeter immediately!!!!!" let's him know immediately whats up so he can decide what's next. Or honestly, he wouldn't have a clue and would be resentful of me.
I think Laura is trying to convince women that they're not too good to treat a good man well. She makes no allowances for the scummy men out there, saying that no woman should put up with that, BUT she has no sympathy for a woman that stays and makes the conscious decision to stay. I like her and am thankful for somebody pointing out that there are two people in my marriage!!
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    Location: Midwest | I don't disagree with most of the points in the article. Can't say anything about the book because I haven't read it.
Her advice is not bad overall, but I just can't stand her personality. She's annoying. lol | |
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | IMO, the Love Languages book is more useful. I haven't read it myself, but people close to me have and I've heard enough to recognize that it resonates. Being aware that my husband sees acts of service as love has helped me several times over the years. When he gets mad at me, a little mattress dancing, or cooking something he likes and he's happy again.
btw, the part in the article posted above about women putting the kids first and being too tired to be a wife? When you have a newborn, this is true and there's no way around it. The most challenging time in our marriage was when I was extremely ill and then recovering from major surgery while caring for a 3 year old and a newborn and dealing with some horrendous things happening to how I looked at the same time (brain surgery and severed facial nerves are not conducive to looking very attractive). My husband felt neglected and thought I didn't love him, but it was all I could do to survive at that point, so he had to get over it.  | |
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        Location: Broxton, Ga | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-08 9:27 AM I guess it sounds like most people who have healthy successful marriages may cite a variety of different reasons for their success, but if I had to pick the biggest reason for most of them, it boils down to putting your wife or husband before yourself....and having a partner who does the same thing. So obvious and simple to me, yet so rare in reality.
For those of us who have failed in the past, we realize how rare and precious a healthy marriage can be. Traditional "roles" of husbands and wives have value as well as recognizing differences between men and women (Mars/Venus sorta things). I think it's fair to say that a healthy successful marriage is the most important lifetime accomplishment for most people, yet it is one of the most neglected endeavors.
Very true...........I have had one of the worst marriges........and now the best.........1D all the way......which at one time I did not think was possible after my 1st..........and yes it is rare.........and yes it does boil down to putting yourself before you wife or husband..........most cannot do that........... | |
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        Location: Iowa, LA | bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket.
I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL | |
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| Honestly, I absolutely LOVED the book. I grew up in a pretty dysfunctional family with a mom who was divorced twice, and pretty much a man hater. I grew up with the "anything 'he' can do, I can do better" attitude, and always felt a need to prove myself... she made me feel like if I couldn't keep up with the man, I was less of a woman. To this day, my mom gives me a hard time that I dont do all the "man stuff" (oil changes, plowing snow, etc), and that I have become "Suzy home maker". What the book taught me was that these roles are actually GOOD for our marriage. By cooking and cleaning, taking care of him, greeting him with a smile when he get home etc. Im showing him love and respect in a way that he understands. By *letting* him do the "man jobs" in the shop and around the farm, Im allowing him to be a man, and showing him that I need him. My mom makes fun of me for this, but at the end of the day, she has 2 failed marriages, and we are almost 3 years into a great marriage, in which we very rarely argue, let alone fight. We respect each others roles, and honestly, I can see a distinct difference if I greet him with a smile, jeans on, and looking half decent while the smell of supper fills the air, as opposed to waiting for him to come into the house as I sit on the couch in sweats, and tell him to make a sandwich if he wants to eat. Of course Dr. Laura's ways may not work for everyone, but hubby and I have listened to her show a lot while rodeoing, and we really agree on most of what she has to say. I think we would both agree that its helped our marriage become even stronger. | |
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          Location: Kentucky | I don't think there are "man" jobs or "woman" jobs in a marriage. They're just jobs. I know how to change the oil in my car, help my husband lay down tile in the bathroom, and he knows how to cook and do laundry. It's all just crap that needs to be done. I have not, nor will I ever be, the traditional wife. There's too much stuff to do around our house to designate things like that. I don't let my husband be a "man" and he doesnt let me be a "woman" because we aren't concerned with that. I don't need to stroke his ego every time he lifts something heavy for me, just like he doesn't need to jump up and down that I folded his clothes. I just don't understand why we have to define ourselves in that way, but I guess with other comments, every relationship is different... thank goodness! | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Good thread. I'm just an observer! This made me think of one of my favorite scenes in "City Slickers", one of my favorite movies:
"Curly: Do you know what the secret of life is? [holds up one finger] Curly: This. Mitch: Your finger? Curly: One thing. Just one thing. You stick to that and the rest don't mean sh!t. Mitch: But, what is the one thing? Curly: [smiles] That's what *you* have to find out.
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    Location: Midwest | OMG, I love that movie. And the second one.
BTW, Billy Crystal was given the black horse he rode in the movie :) HORSEBACK RIDING January 31, 2011 America’s Horse remembers two famous Quarter Horse stars.By Becky Newell for America’s Horse  In honor of that year's big film "Dances With Wolves," Billy Crystal rides Beechnut across the stage of the 63rd Annual Academy Awards. Photo courtesy of Academy Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Beechnut Nicknamed after a brand of chewing tobacco, Charlies Surprise grew up as a ranchhorse who was used for ropingand gathering cattle. With all that exposure to obstacles and “boogers,” it was no surprise that the calm, cool and collected Beechnut found his way to working on movie sets, one of which was “City Slickers.” The set of “City Slickers” is where actor Billy Crystal met “Beechie.” A man who says he can’t and won’t have animals because he’s never home, Billy says he and the black gelding started an “on-location romance.” Because of the connection the pair made, movie wrangler Jack Lilley gave Beechnut to Billy after filming was done. Then with Beechnut’s blaze disguised, he and Billy worked together again in “City Slickers II.” There are many benefits that come with being a member of the American Quarter Horse Association. Learn how you can get discounts with AQHA corporate partners, show at official AQHA events, enroll in horseback riding programs and receive America’s Horse magazine by becoming anAQHA member. The only other appearance the two actors made together was when Billy rode Beechie onto the stage of the 63rd Academy Awards show in 1991 in honor of that year’s big winner, “Dances With Wolves.” Billy says they didn’t even have to rehearse Beechie’s appearance. “I had his handler walk alongside us,” Billy says. “But nothing bothered Beechie.” After that, Beechnut was retired to a stable where Billy could visit and ride him. When Beechie became too old for Billy to ride, the actor would just take a book and lie in Beechie’s pasture and read.
http://americashorsedaily.com/fallen-stars/#more-21885
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I am a giver by nature and that is also the way I was raised, give all to the people you love. Well that works if the person you are giving to, gives back, otherwise you wind up wrung out, dried up and resentful. My husband is a good man but he is DENSE when it comes to women. I learned a long time ago, when you communicate with a man to keep your sentences short, succinct and to ask for what you need up front. It goes in one ear and out the other sometimes, I swear sometimes I can almost SEE the words coming out the other side of his head! I have threatened many times to send him off to a trainer LOL
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          Location: Washington | I personally think if a marriage is a working two way street most will survive.
In our house we are allowed to be individuals but we treat the marriage as one too. It has it's own needs. I am a very strong woman, and my husband likes that about me, but he also needs to be needed. Never hurt me to have him do things for me that I could do for myself. Everyone needs to be needed.
We all have witnessed the failure of marriage. In my case the ones that failed where when they tried to change each other. Never understood that and still don't. I am and was pretty hard on my friends when they say things like "He will never change." WHY do they need to change? If you let the stupid little crap drive you nuts, I would hate to see you when the serious stuff hit the fan. Get over yourself.
My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place.
I use to listen to Dr. Laura, not a lot, and I can say I didn't always agreed with her, but some of her advice was just common sense. IMHO
Going on 34 years of marriage and it's still a work in progress, it's had it's bumps along the way, but I still love the fact I am married to my best friend, and I would do nothing to hurt him, which keeps the marriage moving right along.
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| I've never been in a committed relationship and have never read this book. I agree with some of the points in the short version at the top of the page and disagree with others. All I know is that - when it comes to marriages and commitment - the more I see, the less I like. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | fatchance - 2014-01-09 10:22 AM I personally think if a marriage is a working two way street most will survive.
In our house we are allowed to be individuals but we treat the marriage as one too. It has it's own needs. I am a very strong woman, and my husband likes that about me, but he also needs to be needed. Never hurt me to have him do things for me that I could do for myself. Everyone needs to be needed.
We all have witnessed the failure of marriage. In my case the ones that failed where when they tried to change each other. Never understood that and still don't. I am and was pretty hard on my friends when they say things like "He will never change." WHY do they need to change? If you let the stupid little crap drive you nuts, I would hate to see you when the serious stuff hit the fan. Get over yourself.
My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place.
I use to listen to Dr. Laura, not a lot, and I can say I didn't always agreed with her, but some of her advice was just common sense. IMHO
Going on 34 years of marriage and it's still a work in progress, it's had it's bumps along the way, but I still love the fact I am married to my best friend, and I would do nothing to hurt him, which keeps the marriage moving right along.
Hope this made sense to some of you.
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-09 10:08 AM OMG, I love that movie. And the second one.
BTW, Billy Crystal was given the black horse he rode in the movie :)
HORSEBACK RIDING
January 31, 2011
America’s Horse remembers two famous Quarter Horse stars.
By Becky Newell for America’s Horse
In honor of that year's big film "Dances With Wolves," Billy Crystal rides Beechnut across the stage of the 63rd Annual Academy Awards. Photo courtesy of Academy Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
Beechnut
Nicknamed after a brand of chewing tobacco, Charlies Surprise grew up as a ranchhorse who was used for ropingand gathering cattle. With all that exposure to obstacles and “boogers,” it was no surprise that the calm, cool and collected Beechnut found his way to working on movie sets, one of which was “City Slickers.”
The set of “City Slickers” is where actor Billy Crystal met “Beechie.” A man who says he can’t and won’t have animals because he’s never home, Billy says he and the black gelding started an “on-location romance.” Because of the connection the pair made, movie wrangler Jack Lilley gave Beechnut to Billy after filming was done. Then with Beechnut’s blaze disguised, he and Billy worked together again in “City Slickers II.”
There are many benefits that come with being a member of the American Quarter Horse Association. Learn how you can get discounts with AQHA corporate partners, show at official AQHA events, enroll in horseback riding programs and receive America’s Horse magazine by becoming anAQHA member.
The only other appearance the two actors made together was when Billy rode Beechie onto the stage of the 63rd Academy Awards show in 1991 in honor of that year’s big winner, “Dances With Wolves.”
Billy says they didn’t even have to rehearse Beechie’s appearance.
“I had his handler walk alongside us,” Billy says. “But nothing bothered Beechie.”
After that, Beechnut was retired to a stable where Billy could visit and ride him. When Beechie became too old for Billy to ride, the actor would just take a book and lie in Beechie’s pasture and read.
http://americashorsedaily.com/fallen-stars/#more-21885
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| Murphy - 2014-01-09 8:52 AM I don't think there are "man" jobs or "woman" jobs in a marriage. They're just jobs. I know how to change the oil in my car, help my husband lay down tile in the bathroom, and he knows how to cook and do laundry. It's all just crap that needs to be done. I have not, nor will I ever be, the traditional wife. There's too much stuff to do around our house to designate things like that. I don't let my husband be a "man" and he doesnt let me be a "woman" because we aren't concerned with that. I don't need to stroke his ego every time he lifts something heavy for me, just like he doesn't need to jump up and down that I folded his clothes. I just don't understand why we have to define ourselves in that way, but I guess with other comments, every relationship is different... thank goodness!
I *can* do all of that stuff too (trust me, mom made darn sure of that), and my husband can do laundry, and can cook (for himself- no chance Im eating his creations lol). Hubby was off work all of December, and my house has never been so clean as he stepped up and helped me out while he had some spare time. I'll be going on MAT leave in April, and I will likely take over a few of the things he usually does as I will have more spare time than he will, and I'll want him to be able to hang out with his son when he gets home. Having watched my mom work herself into the ground, while being p*ssed at her husband for not helping (when in fact he was trying but partially afraid to lol), I've learned that by doing the same as her, I end up nagging him to do stuff too (nagging was one of mom's worst habits in her marriages). If I get my stuff done in a day, and he gets his stuff done, we meet in the middle and everyone is happy... no nagging or telling each other what needs to be done, just sit down and have supper, and relax knowing that we're not trying to one-up each other.
Its not that I *cant* plow the driveway (I worked as a heavy equipment operator for quite a few years), or that I need to stroke his ego for changing a tire, its just that if I try to do it ALL by myself, Im probably going to turn into a resentful cow to live with. This way, we work as a team... Im not his foreman, and he's not mine. Im not saying that thats how you are, Im saying that thats what I grew up watching, and this is a different path Im taking so my marriage will (hopefully) last. | |
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         Location: High heels in the air... | I read it a long time ago...there are valid points...as a giver in relationships, women need to be able to take too...let him give to you...want to please a man? Let him be a man...I know you can lift that feed sack but why not let him? And complement him for his strength...I know it sounds hokey or stupid but a man needs to know he is valued and hear a complement for a job well done... | |
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I am a very strong, independent woman and while I am sure my husband gets frustrated with that on occasion it's also the thing about me that he loves. I HATE to be wrong and I know that. He is a worrier and that drives me crazy. I think we balance each other out. Ultimately I think finding that balance is the key. You have to learn to deal with and overcome differences and sometimes that is hard. But you will both be better for it in the long run. I will always have his back and he will always have mine. There have been times when I know we have driven each other crazy but I think times like that make you appreciate all the good stuff all that much more. And you have to find things to do TOGETHER. My husband is not a horse person AT ALL. I'd prefer to spend every weekend out barrel racing but I can't because it's not his passion. So I make a point to do things he likes to do too and even if I don't get to barrel race on a particular weekend I do get to spend time with my best friend. | |
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       Location: Utah | I have read it and I have read Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus and I learned things that I have incorporated into our 30 years of marriage. I do try to greet hubby every time I see him as if I am really happy to see him, heck I am so why not show him that I am.
Men think different than women and having that pointed out to me has helped me understand how he does things differently.
I also read 10 Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives.
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     Location: North Dakota | I have not read the book but I agree with all of her points that another poster listed. Everyone keeps saying that marriage is give and take and is a two-way street. Well from the points it doesn't sound like she is saying that the woman has to be the one to give, give, give. To me she was writing TO women and giving advice on what a woman should do in her relationship because the only person you can take control of is YOU! You can't make him a better husband but you CAN make yourself a better wife. Whether your husband sees what you are doing, appreciates it, and decides to reciprocate is totally up to him. I guess that is where good communication comes in to play in a successful marriage. If you don't feel appreciated or that he is giving at all then you need to sit down and talk to him...NOT blame him but let him know how you feel and what you would like to see him do that would show you his love for you. I CHOSE this man to be my husband. I do not want to change him at all. I want to better myself to show him how much I love him. If my man could do something more to show me his love for me I will let him know. If you are secure with who you are as a woman and in your relationship you will not be so worried about caring for your man and doing things for him as being seen as "submissive" and "controlled". You do those things out of LOVE and respect not because you are forced to.
I sometimes feel I am the man in the relationship...lol. We have put off having kids because we want to be selfish and enjoy each other and enjoy being married. I'm not saying kids are not a joy but I want this time to be about us because once we have kids we will never have this back so why not just take our time and be selfish and build on our relationship and really get to know each other? I am one that when we got our new puppy early in our relationship I was jealous of the puppy!! I can see how a husband can become jealous and resentful of the kids. I honestly would get upset when he would snuggle and give the pup a ton of attention. I would feel left out and ignored. Silly as it sounds but it is the truth! I didn't want him to foget about me...hahaha!
I suggest the book the "The 5 Love Languages" by Gary Chapman. It talks about how we all preceive love differently. For example, in our household my #1 love language is "Physical Touch" and that doesn't necessarily mean sex which is what a lot of guys jump to thinking "I need sex in my relationship". No it is about other little physical things such as holding hands, hugging, slight touch as you walk by, etc. For isntance, I constantly will touch my husband. I love to be near him and some part of my body whether it is my foot, hand, whatever needs to be touching him. Whenever I walk by him I will either stroke my fingers through his hair or slap him on the butt...hahaha! I do that because that is how I percieve love...with touch. So in order for my husband to truly show me love he would need to show me affection through touch. I show my husband love through "Words of Affirmation"....so in other words...stroke his ego....lol! Well not exactly but my husband feels most loved when I show my support for him and let him know how much I appreciate what he does, and that he is doing amazing things at work and should be proud of all he has accomplished, etc. For him "Physical Touch" is probably 3rd on the list but it also may not seem like it is as high on his list because that part of his "love tank" is full because I do that all the time. If I never touched him or showed him the affection I do maybe "Physical Touch" would score higher on the list for him. But this book has a quiz that helps you realize what you may be missing in you love tank if you are unhappy. It will help you figure out why you are unhappy. Both of our "love tanks" are full and have been but there is the occasion where I feel a little less loved or that something is missing, etc. I think we all have those days but now I have an idea of why I may feel that way. It is not because he doesn't love me but he just didn't fill my tank that day...lol. It is definitely good information to have for the future because maybe our marriage someday will not always be as strong as it has been and this info could definitely help us figure out where it is going wrong.
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          Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Do we need to change your name to husband groper? LOL | |
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     Location: Texas | I read this yesterday and loved it. My husband could have written it. I just think it's funny that a man could get "jealous" of his children. I know every family/marriage is different (as I stated above) but my husband is too busy being the 50% to my 50% of the parents to be jealous. Honestly, I can't even wrap my brain around the concept (kind of like me trying to imagine what -50 degrees feels like. Just can't do it!) of it.
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/awesome-dad-styles-daughter-39-hair-breaks-internet-204400163.html
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          Location: Kentucky | bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 2:52 PM I read this yesterday and loved it. My husband could have written it. I just think it's funny that a man could get "jealous" of his children. I know every family/marriage is different (as I stated above) but my husband is too busy being the 50% to my 50% of the parents to be jealous. Honestly, I can't even wrap my brain around the concept (kind of like me trying to imagine what -50 degrees feels like. Just can't do it!) of it.
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/awesome-dad-styles-daughter-39-hair-breaks-internet-204400163.html
Love this quote.
"Until we can get to the point where men and women can complete the same parenting tasks and the reactions are the same, we will have problems. If you want to create a statue for me for taking care of my daughters, create one for the moms who are doing the same **** thing every day for their kids without receiving a 'Thank you' or an 'Ooooh' or 'Ahhhh.' These behaviors should be expected of moms and dads. No exceptions." | |
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     Location: North Dakota | Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-09 1:49 PM Do we need to change your name to husband groper? LOL
hahaha!!! Pretty much! At least is is my OWN husband! | |
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     Location: North Dakota | bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 1:52 PM I read this yesterday and loved it. My husband could have written it. I just think it's funny that a man could get "jealous" of his children. I know every family/marriage is different (as I stated above) but my husband is too busy being the 50% to my 50% of the parents to be jealous. Honestly, I can't even wrap my brain around the concept (kind of like me trying to imagine what -50 degrees feels like. Just can't do it!) of it.
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/awesome-dad-styles-daughter-39-hair-breaks-internet-204400163.html
I can definitely see a man getting jealous of his kids. He went from #1 in the love of his lifes eyes to #2. He went from having this woman that only had eyes for him and was more than happy to please him to having a woman that has to take care of the child first and then at the end of the day is too tired to give him any attention. It's not saying dad's hate their kids! Of course dads love their kids just as much as the mother but they just begin to feel "left out" or pushed aside and forgotten about. I absolutely understand where men are coming from when they say that. I think dads are absolutely amazing and should be willing and able to do everything the woman does to take care of the child (minus breastfeeding of course...lol) and it shouldn't be a huge surprise when they do but that doesn't mean they completely forget about being a husband as well. There is a difference between being a mom and a wife and a dad and a husband. I think the husband and wife relationship should come first. That relationship is the glue holding the family together. Nurture and care for it like you did when you decided you wanted to bring a child into it. Growing up with a family filled with love will give the child a foundation on what to base their future relationships around. Sometimes I think men begin to feel like the only reason the woman wanted in the marriage was to have kids and now that she has them she is happy and doesn't need him. He wants to feel needed and loved still. I know I never want my husband to feel neglected. After all HE is the reason I want to bring kids into this world....because I love him and want to share that with him. Not because I just want to be a mommy. | |
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| bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 1:52 PM I read this yesterday and loved it. My husband could have written it. I just think it's funny that a man could get "jealous" of his children. I know every family/marriage is different (as I stated above) but my husband is too busy being the 50% to my 50% of the parents to be jealous. Honestly, I can't even wrap my brain around the concept (kind of like me trying to imagine what -50 degrees feels like. Just can't do it!) of it.
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/awesome-dad-styles-daughter-39-hair-breaks-internet-204400163.html
I agree, having kids can be crazy times, especially when you have 4 a year apart but it doesn't have to hurt your relationship. My husband was hands on with the kids, doing what ever needed to be done. He still pinched me on the butt back then and still does today. | |
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       Location: relocated to Texas | Just Bring It - 2014-01-10 12:29 PM I have not read the book but I agree with all of her points that another poster listed. Everyone keeps saying that marriage is give and take and is a two-way street. Well from the points it doesn't sound like she is saying that the woman has to be the one to give, give, give. To me she was writing TO women and giving advice on what a woman should do in her relationship because the only person you can take control of is YOU! You can't make him a better husband but you CAN make yourself a better wife. Whether your husband sees what you are doing, appreciates it, and decides to reciprocate is totally up to him. I guess that is where good communication comes in to play in a successful marriage. If you don't feel appreciated or that he is giving at all then you need to sit down and talk to him...NOT blame him but let him know how you feel and what you would like to see him do that would show you his love for you. I CHOSE this man to be my husband. I do not want to change him at all. I want to better myself to show him how much I love him. If my man could do something more to show me his love for me I will let him know. If you are secure with who you are as a woman and in your relationship you will not be so worried about caring for your man and doing things for him as being seen as "submissive" and "controlled". You do those things out of LOVE and respect not because you are forced to.
I sometimes feel I am the man in the relationship...lol. We have put off having kids because we want to be selfish and enjoy each other and enjoy being married. I'm not saying kids are not a joy but I want this time to be about us because once we have kids we will never have this back so why not just take our time and be selfish and build on our relationship and really get to know each other? I am one that when we got our new puppy early in our relationship I was jealous of the puppy!! I can see how a husband can become jealous and resentful of the kids. I honestly would get upset when he would snuggle and give the pup a ton of attention. I would feel left out and ignored. Silly as it sounds but it is the truth! I didn't want him to foget about me...hahaha!
I suggest the book the "The 5 Love Languages" by Gary Chapman. It talks about how we all preceive love differently. For example, in our household my #1 love language is "Physical Touch" and that doesn't necessarily mean sex which is what a lot of guys jump to thinking "I need sex in my relationship". No it is about other little physical things such as holding hands, hugging, slight touch as you walk by, etc. For isntance, I constantly will touch my husband. I love to be near him and some part of my body whether it is my foot, hand, whatever needs to be touching him. Whenever I walk by him I will either stroke my fingers through his hair or slap him on the butt...hahaha! I do that because that is how I percieve love...with touch. So in order for my husband to truly show me love he would need to show me affection through touch. I show my husband love through "Words of Affirmation"....so in other words...stroke his ego....lol! Well not exactly but my husband feels most loved when I show my support for him and let him know how much I appreciate what he does, and that he is doing amazing things at work and should be proud of all he has accomplished, etc. For him "Physical Touch" is probably 3rd on the list but it also may not seem like it is as high on his list because that part of his "love tank" is full because I do that all the time. If I never touched him or showed him the affection I do maybe "Physical Touch" would score higher on the list for him. But this book has a quiz that helps you realize what you may be missing in you love tank if you are unhappy. It will help you figure out why you are unhappy. Both of our "love tanks" are full and have been but there is the occasion where I feel a little less loved or that something is missing, etc. I think we all have those days but now I have an idea of why I may feel that way. It is not because he doesn't love me but he just didn't fill my tank that day...lol. It is definitely good information to have for the future because maybe our marriage someday will not always be as strong as it has been and this info could definitely help us figure out where it is going wrong.
I agree with what you said 100%. And kudos to you for not having kids but taking this time for yourselves. I don't think it is selfish at all. When the kids do finally come along, they will have parents with a strong relationship that has been cultivated and is strong. That is the best gift you can give them as parents, IMO.
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       Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | annemarea - 2014-01-09 9:32 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket.
I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL
Annemarea, you sound like my twin and I never had kids too for the exact same reason. Of course, I grew up being resented and being told you could never ever trust anyone so what could you expect?
I've been married for 11 years now and it's not always easy. I think the key to surviving and not being bitter is to let things go and not focus on them, remember you're not perfect either and remember things could be a lot worse.
As far as the book, I really think whether or not you work and/or make as much money as your husband will change how you look at the book. I think it also changes how you look at the marriage in general.
For me, Fatchance said it very well and I think brought up a VERY important point about being responsible for your own happiness. If someone is looking to you & dependent on you to make themselves happy, it doesn't matter what you do they will NEVER EVER be satisified or happy. I've learned that first hand. So you could do everything that the book says and it won't work.
By the same token, if you're looking to someone else to make you happy, you'll never be satisfied either because people are human and they're going to fail, AND that's just too big of a responsibility to put on someone else's shoulders. I think when you start to focus on making yourself happy -- not just being selfish and pursueing your interests, but really looking at yourself and making an effort to become someone you like --- then what they do doesn't effect your happiness as much.
So Fatchance summed it up for me -- My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place. | |
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| Murphy - 2014-01-09 1:55 PM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 2:52 PM I read this yesterday and loved it. My husband could have written it. I just think it's funny that a man could get "jealous" of his children. I know every family/marriage is different (as I stated above) but my husband is too busy being the 50% to my 50% of the parents to be jealous. Honestly, I can't even wrap my brain around the concept (kind of like me trying to imagine what -50 degrees feels like. Just can't do it!) of it.
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/awesome-dad-styles-daughter-39-hair-breaks-internet-204400163.html
Love this quote.
"Until we can get to the point where men and women can complete the same parenting tasks and the reactions are the same, we will have problems. If you want to create a statue for me for taking care of my daughters, create one for the moms who are doing the same **** thing every day for their kids without receiving a 'Thank you' or an 'Ooooh' or 'Ahhhh.' These behaviors should be expected of moms and dads. No exceptions."
It always KILLS me when someone says their husband is "babysitting." - You don't BABYSIT your OWN kids! | |
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| Fairweather - 2014-01-10 3:58 AM annemarea - 2014-01-09 9:32 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket.
I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL Annemarea, you sound like my twin and I never had kids too for the exact same reason. Of course, I grew up being resented and being told you could never ever trust anyone so what could you expect?
I've been married for 11 years now and it's not always easy. I think the key to surviving and not being bitter is to let things go and not focus on them, remember you're not perfect either and remember things could be a lot worse.
As far as the book, I really think whether or not you work and/or make as much money as your husband will change how you look at the book. I think it also changes how you look at the marriage in general.
For me, Fatchance said it very well and I think brought up a VERY important point about being responsible for your own happiness. If someone is looking to you & dependent on you to make themselves happy, it doesn't matter what you do they will NEVER EVER be satisified or happy. I've learned that first hand. So you could do everything that the book says and it won't work.
By the same token, if you're looking to someone else to make you happy, you'll never be satisfied either because people are human and they're going to fail, AND that's just too big of a responsibility to put on someone else's shoulders. I think when you start to focus on making yourself happy -- not just being selfish and pursueing your interests, but really looking at yourself and making an effort to become someone you like --- then what they do doesn't effect your happiness as much.
So Fatchance summed it up for me --
My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place.
Excellent advise. My husband is the kindest, most thoughtful husband you could ask for. He is also a cut to the chase kind of guy. Years ago when I was at home all day with our 4 young kids I would whine when he went to go play golf on the weekends, I am bored, etc. even though I was not planning on going and doing anything. He looked at me and said " You are my best friend and I love being with you but it is not my job to entertain you, find an interest and I will support you anyway I can or you can come with me when ever you want." Shut me up :) | |
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     Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 7:17 AM Fairweather - 2014-01-10 3:58 AM annemarea - 2014-01-09 9:32 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket.
I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL Annemarea, you sound like my twin and I never had kids too for the exact same reason. Of course, I grew up being resented and being told you could never ever trust anyone so what could you expect?
I've been married for 11 years now and it's not always easy. I think the key to surviving and not being bitter is to let things go and not focus on them, remember you're not perfect either and remember things could be a lot worse.
As far as the book, I really think whether or not you work and/or make as much money as your husband will change how you look at the book. I think it also changes how you look at the marriage in general.
For me, Fatchance said it very well and I think brought up a VERY important point about being responsible for your own happiness. If someone is looking to you & dependent on you to make themselves happy, it doesn't matter what you do they will NEVER EVER be satisified or happy. I've learned that first hand. So you could do everything that the book says and it won't work.
By the same token, if you're looking to someone else to make you happy, you'll never be satisfied either because people are human and they're going to fail, AND that's just too big of a responsibility to put on someone else's shoulders. I think when you start to focus on making yourself happy -- not just being selfish and pursueing your interests, but really looking at yourself and making an effort to become someone you like --- then what they do doesn't effect your happiness as much.
So Fatchance summed it up for me --
My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place. Excellent advise. My husband is the kindest, most thoughtful husband you could ask for. He is also a cut to the chase kind of guy. Years ago when I was at home all day with our 4 young kids I would whine when he went to go play golf on the weekends, I am bored, etc. even though I was not planning on going and doing anything. He looked at me and said " You are my best friend and I love being with you but it is not my job to entertain you, find an interest and I will support you anyway I can or you can come with me when ever you want." Shut me up :)
So if you would've walked out (kidless) to a barrel race at that point, he would've been fine? | |
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| bocephus's mama - 2014-01-10 7:37 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 7:17 AM Fairweather - 2014-01-10 3:58 AM annemarea - 2014-01-09 9:32 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket.
I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL Annemarea, you sound like my twin and I never had kids too for the exact same reason. Of course, I grew up being resented and being told you could never ever trust anyone so what could you expect?
I've been married for 11 years now and it's not always easy. I think the key to surviving and not being bitter is to let things go and not focus on them, remember you're not perfect either and remember things could be a lot worse.
As far as the book, I really think whether or not you work and/or make as much money as your husband will change how you look at the book. I think it also changes how you look at the marriage in general.
For me, Fatchance said it very well and I think brought up a VERY important point about being responsible for your own happiness. If someone is looking to you & dependent on you to make themselves happy, it doesn't matter what you do they will NEVER EVER be satisified or happy. I've learned that first hand. So you could do everything that the book says and it won't work.
By the same token, if you're looking to someone else to make you happy, you'll never be satisfied either because people are human and they're going to fail, AND that's just too big of a responsibility to put on someone else's shoulders. I think when you start to focus on making yourself happy -- not just being selfish and pursueing your interests, but really looking at yourself and making an effort to become someone you like --- then what they do doesn't effect your happiness as much.
So Fatchance summed it up for me --
My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place. Excellent advise. My husband is the kindest, most thoughtful husband you could ask for. He is also a cut to the chase kind of guy. Years ago when I was at home all day with our 4 young kids I would whine when he went to go play golf on the weekends, I am bored, etc. even though I was not planning on going and doing anything. He looked at me and said " You are my best friend and I love being with you but it is not my job to entertain you, find an interest and I will support you anyway I can or you can come with me when ever you want." Shut me up :) So if you would've walked out (kidless) to a barrel race at that point, he would've been fine?
Yep, we didn't have horses back then, too broke but I started planning stuff with friends and he happily stayed with the kids, bathed them, did laundry and if it was dinner time he cooked to. | |
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          Location: Bastrop, Texas | Sounds like you have a good man there rodeomom. Smart too. He understands "womanese" and knows how to cut to the chase as well. Womanese is a hard language to master. I'd rather have to learn Mandarin Chinese. I will say that since being on BHW for the past 7 years I've started to understand womanese better. Women are curious creatures, but then again I can't imagine life without them. It's a challenge trying to translate the language sometimes, but life wouldn't be very fun without them. They are a little like trying to figure out a Rubik's cube. | |
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     Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 8:02 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-10 7:37 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 7:17 AM Fairweather - 2014-01-10 3:58 AM annemarea - 2014-01-09 9:32 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket.
I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL Annemarea, you sound like my twin and I never had kids too for the exact same reason. Of course, I grew up being resented and being told you could never ever trust anyone so what could you expect?
I've been married for 11 years now and it's not always easy. I think the key to surviving and not being bitter is to let things go and not focus on them, remember you're not perfect either and remember things could be a lot worse.
As far as the book, I really think whether or not you work and/or make as much money as your husband will change how you look at the book. I think it also changes how you look at the marriage in general.
For me, Fatchance said it very well and I think brought up a VERY important point about being responsible for your own happiness. If someone is looking to you & dependent on you to make themselves happy, it doesn't matter what you do they will NEVER EVER be satisified or happy. I've learned that first hand. So you could do everything that the book says and it won't work.
By the same token, if you're looking to someone else to make you happy, you'll never be satisfied either because people are human and they're going to fail, AND that's just too big of a responsibility to put on someone else's shoulders. I think when you start to focus on making yourself happy -- not just being selfish and pursueing your interests, but really looking at yourself and making an effort to become someone you like --- then what they do doesn't effect your happiness as much.
So Fatchance summed it up for me --
My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place. Excellent advise. My husband is the kindest, most thoughtful husband you could ask for. He is also a cut to the chase kind of guy. Years ago when I was at home all day with our 4 young kids I would whine when he went to go play golf on the weekends, I am bored, etc. even though I was not planning on going and doing anything. He looked at me and said " You are my best friend and I love being with you but it is not my job to entertain you, find an interest and I will support you anyway I can or you can come with me when ever you want." Shut me up :) So if you would've walked out (kidless) to a barrel race at that point, he would've been fine? Yep, we didn't have horses back then, too broke but I started planning stuff with friends and he happily stayed with the kids, bathed them, did laundry and if it was dinner time he cooked to.
That's good!
We do everything together. I couldn't imagine leaving on the weekends for hours at a time on a regular basis (I work so all week during the day I don't see my kids or husband) and my husband certainly wouldn't be doing it either. Even now, I'm studying 20 hours a week (most at work but 6-7 on the weekends) and slicing out 3 hours of time by myself is hard.
Maybe it's b/c I work but if my husband walked out the door to play golf more than once in a blue moon, the sh/it storm he'd come home to would make Katrina look like a summer shower. | |
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| bocephus's mama - 2014-01-10 8:38 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 8:02 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-10 7:37 AM rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 7:17 AM Fairweather - 2014-01-10 3:58 AM annemarea - 2014-01-09 9:32 AM bocephus's mama - 2014-01-09 8:47 AM Marriage is such a strange animal. We're all different and every relationship is different so have a formula for a successful marriage is as real as aliens. For instance, my husband and I are alphas. I NEED an alpha however two alphas is pretty volatile. Most people couldn't handle our type of relationship but for us, we need the other to have that particular personality trait.
Some people that have long marriages have them because they give and take and all that. Others have them b/c neither partner, although possibly unhappy, doesn't have the personality to leave (change is tough) and there are some marriages that still exist because one partner may lack the means to make it alone (no skills to work, etc) yet we throw all of these long lasting marriages into the same "successful" bucket. I like your comment. Marriage and men has always been a big source of hatred for me. I grew up watching my parents making marriage look like the worst thing that can happen to two people. I have read this book years ago and what I remembered about it was to try to make your man feel like the "man" in the relationship. I am alpha in my relationships....I do what I want, and if they don't like it, "pack your ****". I never wanted to "need" a man because of what I witnessed and saw growing up. Honestly, I am happiest living seperate, but in a relationship. I begin to have panic attacks once a man asks for commitment and marriage. After counseling I learned to give in a little more and take more chances. This is the longest I've ever been married (2 years! LOL) and it is extremely difficult for me. Financially I do not need a man and never have. I have never wanted to have kids because of what I went through growing up. I always felt that kids were such an awesome, serious responsibility and did not want their happiness dependant on me. So, I have never "stayed" for the children. One day I went to see my counselor and just flat out asked, "How the hell do people stay married?!?". What I got, was a very real response. She told me that, honestly, most people stay becasue of the children or for financial reasons. They just tough it out. Then, my cousin told me basically she was still married for the same reason (for her financial) and from the outside this woman looks to have the perfect marriage. I never realized how unhappy she was. It made me feel better about all of my failed relationships. I've always felt so different than everyone else. Never had a desire to get married/have kids. Marriage is work.....PERIOD. No easy way about it. And I still have no idea how to have a successful marriage. At this point I feel like it's more about forgiving and moving on from each other's imperfections and communicating your feelings as often as possible. I am probably every mans worst nightmare! LOL Annemarea, you sound like my twin and I never had kids too for the exact same reason. Of course, I grew up being resented and being told you could never ever trust anyone so what could you expect?
I've been married for 11 years now and it's not always easy. I think the key to surviving and not being bitter is to let things go and not focus on them, remember you're not perfect either and remember things could be a lot worse.
As far as the book, I really think whether or not you work and/or make as much money as your husband will change how you look at the book. I think it also changes how you look at the marriage in general.
For me, Fatchance said it very well and I think brought up a VERY important point about being responsible for your own happiness. If someone is looking to you & dependent on you to make themselves happy, it doesn't matter what you do they will NEVER EVER be satisified or happy. I've learned that first hand. So you could do everything that the book says and it won't work.
By the same token, if you're looking to someone else to make you happy, you'll never be satisfied either because people are human and they're going to fail, AND that's just too big of a responsibility to put on someone else's shoulders. I think when you start to focus on making yourself happy -- not just being selfish and pursueing your interests, but really looking at yourself and making an effort to become someone you like --- then what they do doesn't effect your happiness as much.
So Fatchance summed it up for me -- My take on marriage has always been simple.... be responsible for your own happiness, be each others best friend, and treat each other the way you would want to be treated. The rest will fall into place. Excellent advise. My husband is the kindest, most thoughtful husband you could ask for. He is also a cut to the chase kind of guy. Years ago when I was at home all day with our 4 young kids I would whine when he went to go play golf on the weekends, I am bored, etc. even though I was not planning on going and doing anything. He looked at me and said " You are my best friend and I love being with you but it is not my job to entertain you, find an interest and I will support you anyway I can or you can come with me when ever you want." Shut me up :) So if you would've walked out (kidless) to a barrel race at that point, he would've been fine? Yep, we didn't have horses back then, too broke but I started planning stuff with friends and he happily stayed with the kids, bathed them, did laundry and if it was dinner time he cooked to. That's good!
We do everything together. I couldn't imagine leaving on the weekends for hours at a time on a regular basis (I work so all week during the day I don't see my kids or husband) and my husband certainly wouldn't be doing it either. Even now, I'm studying 20 hours a week (most at work but 6-7 on the weekends) and slicing out 3 hours of time by myself is hard.
Maybe it's b/c I work but if my husband walked out the door to play golf more than once in a blue moon, the sh/it storm he'd come home to would make Katrina look like a summer shower. It wasn't often, maybe one or twice a month that we got away on our own. I was home with them so I enjoyed a little break and it was good for my husband to be alone with them. I did not mind him doing something for himself every now and then, he worked very hard long hours. That said, it needed to be reasonable. I can still remember how mad I got when he said he was going fishing with his sister. He had been working 7 days a week for 2 months, not all day on the weekends but a few hours each day. I was home with a 4 and 3 year old and an 18 month and a 2 month old. His sister invited him to a day of fishing which was very nice of her, but if he was too busy at work to take off a day to spend with me and the kids he sure as h@ll was not going fishing. I told him, take a day or two off for us then go do what you want. His sister was used to having him to herself, did not liked being told no and had to get use to the kids coming first- turned into a huge ridiculous fight. Really ****ed me off he even considered it. As soon as the kids got old enough to start playing sports our weekends were jam packed getting the 4 of them to the right field :). Neither of us missed a game or a rodeo once they got into horses.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-10 8:17 AM
Sounds like you have a good man there rodeomom. Smart too. He understands "womanese" and knows how to cut to the chase as well. Womanese is a hard language to master. I'd rather have to learn Mandarin Chinese. I will say that since being on BHW for the past 7 years I've started to understand womanese better. Women are curious creatures, but then again I can't imagine life without them. It's a challenge trying to translate the language sometimes, but life wouldn't be very fun without them. They are a little like trying to figure out a Rubik's cube.
Doc I didn't want to touch this thread.....But could not agree with your statement more.....womanese what a good term LOL. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-01-10 8:17 AM Sounds like you have a good man there rodeomom. Smart too. He understands "womanese" and knows how to cut to the chase as well.
Womanese is a hard language to master. I'd rather have to learn Mandarin Chinese. I will say that since being on BHW for the past 7 years I've started to understand womanese better. Women are curious creatures, but then again I can't imagine life without them. It's a challenge trying to translate the language sometimes, but life wouldn't be very fun without them. They are a little like trying to figure out a Rubik's cube.
Yes, I do. 25 years and he still makes me laugh every day. Love being with him. | |
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      Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | the title alone pi$$es me off........
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | isn't she the obnoxious woman that had the radio talk show? She would force people to call in and say "I am my childrens mother" when people were calling about issues with their kids? I think her thought process is similar to those that raise kids with the kids thinking we need to do everything in our being FOR THEM. When in fact our greatest generation felt happy to be able to have a nice dinner on the table when they were kids and got in from working the farm for 10-12 hours. Their parents never sugar coated anything, they were taught respect before they could walk and talk. They were taught that their parents WERE NOT put on this earth to make their every minute of every day a pleasant experience.
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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          Location: Texas | I've read it. The take away for me was to treat people with respect and empathize with their situation, don't take people for granted and don't nag. That goes for both men and women. | |
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  Neat Freak
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | It cracks me up that I got a dislike, I am honestly curious as to why? Maybe you like Doc L? or that our parents/grandparents that survived the depression, WWII and still know how to take care of themselves and know what is important in life, weren't raised correctly?
I listened to her for a good summer, nearly every day while helping my husband work a fencing project. It was the only station that old pick up got back in the boonies. I am not saying she didn't have some good advice here and there, but over all she believes parents should change their entire life for their children. This creates the "poor me" society and kids that grow up and can not think for themselves as everything is every one elses fault. As for the book, I'm sure like her program, you could get some good out of it, but I don't like her general thought process. | |
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       Location: relocated to Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-11 7:17 AM Sounds like you have a good man there rodeomom. Smart too. He understands "womanese" and knows how to cut to the chase as well.
Womanese is a hard language to master. I'd rather have to learn Mandarin Chinese. I will say that since being on BHW for the past 7 years I've started to understand womanese better. Women are curious creatures, but then again I can't imagine life without them. It's a challenge trying to translate the language sometimes, but life wouldn't be very fun without them. They are a little like trying to figure out a Rubik's cube.
Well, if you ever got it figured out it wouldn't be a challenge anymore and therefore boring, LOL. | |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-10 1:58 PM isn't she the obnoxious woman that had the radio talk show? She would force people to call in and say "I am my childrens mother" when people were calling about issues with their kids? I think her thought process is similar to those that raise kids with the kids thinking we need to do everything in our being FOR THEM. When in fact our greatest generation felt happy to be able to have a nice dinner on the table when they were kids and got in from working the farm for 10-12 hours. Their parents never sugar coated anything, they were taught respect before they could walk and talk. They were taught that their parents WERE NOT put on this earth to make their every minute of every day a pleasant experience.
I have very little respect for Dr Laura.
Yes, she is obnoxious, very cut and dry but actually she is the opposite of do everything for your kids. She can get almost down right rude when she gets a call from an enabler. She will try to discuss it but if they don't get she just cuts them off. She believes in tough love and kids have to suffer consequences and darn sure better have respect.
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  Neat Freak
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 2:34 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-10 1:58 PM isn't she the obnoxious woman that had the radio talk show? She would force people to call in and say "I am my childrens mother" when people were calling about issues with their kids? I think her thought process is similar to those that raise kids with the kids thinking we need to do everything in our being FOR THEM. When in fact our greatest generation felt happy to be able to have a nice dinner on the table when they were kids and got in from working the farm for 10-12 hours. Their parents never sugar coated anything, they were taught respect before they could walk and talk. They were taught that their parents WERE NOT put on this earth to make their every minute of every day a pleasant experience.
I have very little respect for Dr Laura. Yes, she is obnoxious, very cut and dry but actually she is the opposite of do everything for your kids. She can get almost down right rude when she gets a call from an enabler. She will try to discuss it but if they don't get she just cuts them off. She believes in tough love and kids have to suffer consequences and darn sure better have respect.
That's what I never got about her. This was 14 years ago when I was listening to her on the radio and she would tell one woman one thing and then the next it, she would switch. She was impossible to follow. She was definitly rude. She would hang up on a lot of them. She was entertaining for sure. | |
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| I have not read the book, but her 10 points make sense. It's very true, men and women do think much differently and we do have different values as far as what makes us feel loved and appreciated. Having these differences pointed out to us can help us realize why they act differently and that they aren't just trying to be annoying. Sometimes we need to be brought back down to earth and realize that there are 2 people in the marriage and it requires some give and take. Articles like hers probably have saved a few relationships. | |
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      Location: Ohio | rodeomom3 - 2014-01-10 4:34 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-10 1:58 PM isn't she the obnoxious woman that had the radio talk show? She would force people to call in and say "I am my childrens mother" when people were calling about issues with their kids? I think her thought process is similar to those that raise kids with the kids thinking we need to do everything in our being FOR THEM. When in fact our greatest generation felt happy to be able to have a nice dinner on the table when they were kids and got in from working the farm for 10-12 hours. Their parents never sugar coated anything, they were taught respect before they could walk and talk. They were taught that their parents WERE NOT put on this earth to make their every minute of every day a pleasant experience.
I have very little respect for Dr Laura. Yes, she is obnoxious, very cut and dry but actually she is the opposite of do everything for your kids. She can get almost down right rude when she gets a call from an enabler. She will try to discuss it but if they don't get she just cuts them off. She believes in tough love and kids have to suffer consequences and darn sure better have respect.
This is what I take from her too. She doesn't believe we need to do anything and everything for our kids, but she does believe that there needs to be more time devoted to the kids and family. I do believe this is a major issue with our society. Parents give all the material items and not enough of their time. I don't profess to know what the answer is except to try to find balance. I know she is a firm believer in one parent being a stay at home parent too. I don't know how the average family can make that work in today's society. I am blessed enough to be able to work part-time and my son is either with me, my husband, or a family memeber. This is truly blessing and not a reality in today's society.
Wyoming Barrel Racer, your point about the generation that was happy to have the family dinner after spendig a long day working the farm togher is actually more the lifestyle she would promote. The family working together, spending time together, and eating together. Not Mom and Dad both working long days just to buy the kids the latest and greatest toys and electronics.
As far as the book goes, I read it a couple years ago whle away at a horse camp with my son. I implemented some of her suggesions when we got back home. I got a very positive resonse. As others have pointed out, what I took away from the book was that men and women are bascially wired different. We cannot expect our husbands to see things the same way we do. If you treat him like a King, he is going to treat you like a Queen. Afterall, aren't we told "Do unto others as you would have done unto you"? She does admit that this will not work in all cases. They are just those that are not good people and in those cases, she does not expect one person to give and give and get nothing in return.
I don't agree with everything she says, but she does have some very valid points. | |
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