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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I heard this is a proposed law in New York. Please tell me I was dreaming.
How would you feel if some psychologist evaluated your kid whether you consent or not? Maybe it was just a bad dream. |
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Location: OK | It wasn't a dream, I read the same article-I think last week.
On one hand, I don't think the school should step outside the boundaries of education-if they think there's a psych problem interfering with their education, first they should speak to the parents but I think it could be justified.
Just to put EVERY child through psychiatric testing-WAY overstepping their boundaries IMHO. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-17 9:40 PM
I heard this is a proposed law in New York. Please tell me I was dreaming.
How would you feel if some psychologist evaluated your kid whether you consent or not? Maybe it was just a bad dream.
I can understand your concern here... After all, it comes down to some person's best guess according to their education. I mean... It's not like an IQ or an EQ test... |
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Location: Midwest | komet. - 2014-01-18 4:27 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-17 9:40 PM I heard this is a proposed law in New York. Please tell me I was dreaming. How would you feel if some psychologist evaluated your kid whether you consent or not? Maybe it was just a bad dream. I can understand your concern here... After all, it comes down to some person's best guess according to their education. I mean... It's not like an IQ or an EQ test...
the consequences of poor IQ test results pale in comparison to the potentially life-altering results of a government-sponsored, "failed" psychiatric evaluation. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-18 7:15 AM
komet. - 2014-01-18 4:27 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-01-17 9:40 PM I heard this is a proposed law in New York. Please tell me I was dreaming. How would you feel if some psychologist evaluated your kid whether you consent or not? Maybe it was just a bad dream. I can understand your concern here... After all, it comes down to some person's best guess according to their education. I mean... It's not like an IQ or an EQ test...
Both results are/would be, done and recorded by the government.... |
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | First of all...who the heck is going to pay for that??? I'm about tapped out paying for other people's health care...
Second...here is my experience with the "School Psychiatrist". At the end of my middle daughter's Kindergarten year our family suffered a horrible loss. My 3 and 5 year old nephew were killed in a horrible accident. When my daughter was finishing first grade her teacher approached me and told me she thought she hadd ADD. I had to fight to get the school to test her for that and part of the testing included and evaluation by the school psychiatrist. Her visit with him was split into two days. The first day she participated fine. The second day she WOULD NOT speak to him. Not hello, no responses to any of his questions, nothing. He then pro-rated all of her responses based on his time with her the day before and diagnosed her with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. In case you are unfamiliar, that is BAD. Like serial killers and what not have this. She told her older sister that the reason she would not talk to him is because she didn't like him and his questions were dumb. He was asking her things like, "What do you use an umbrella for?" and "What do you use a clock for?" I can see my stubborn 6 year old thinking to herself, "You're dumb and if you don't know what those things are for, I am certainly not helping you out..." I took her to counseling, she did not have ODD (duh!), she did not have ADD, she was just very sad and had no way to process it. Needless to say, this was not a good experience and I can't imagine the crappy evaluations you would get forcing them to evaluate all of those kids. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I can just picture all the "labels" that these kids have to carry around as part of some record. I would flat out refuse and let them haul me to court. This is just so meddlesome and intrusive. Yet another example of government intrusion into private lives. I bet half of us could be found to fit "criteria" for some sort of disorder, if we were evaluated thoroughly enough. |
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Claiming that African-American and Hispanic students are more harshly disciplined than whites for the same infractions, the Obama administration now advises that any disciplinary rule that results in a "disparate impact" on these groups will be challenged by the government.
"Disparate impact" analysis, as we've seen in employment law, does not require any intentional discrimination. It means, for example, that if an employer asks job seekers to take a test, and a larger percentage of one ethnic group fails the test than another, that the test is de facto discriminatory because it has a "disparate impact."
In the school context, the federal government is now arguing that if a disciplinary rule results in more black, Hispanic or special education kids being suspended or otherwise sanctioned, the rule must be suspect.
Under the new dispensation, teachers, principals and other officials will have to pause before they discipline, say, the fourth black student in a month. "How will this look to the feds?" they'll ask themselves. Will the student's family be able to sue us? A variety of solutions to the federally created problem will present themselves. School officials can search out offenses by white and Asian students to make the numbers come out right. Asian students are disciplined at rates far below any other ethnic group. Is this due to pro-Asian bias in our schools, or is it because Asians commit many fewer infractions? Oops, there we go into territory forbidden by the federal guidelines.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-mandates-racism-schools-080000319.html |
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Location: Baden, PA | OK, I might be going out on a limb here, but consider this. By doing this they can influence a few things. First of all, they are looking for "mental illness". By branding these kids as mentally disabled for one reason or another will put them in the welfare category, OR put them on a drug controled behavior modification for the rest of thier lives. For what you might ask? Another drone on the governemnt dole. I swear this government want as many folks as they can get in the welfare system one way or another. Another thing is the more they find mentally ill, the less future LEGAL gun sales there will be a potential for since it will be on that childs record. They are doing this in the name of "safety", I call BS on that. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Under 18, a child cannot be labled with a personality disorder, that's professional standard.
A dr. doing an eval of a child under 18 would be looking for mood disorders, oppositional defiant disorder, conduct disorders, findings along the autism spectrum. Testing across the board is too intrustive imo, but it's a different view if seen from different angles. In some cases it would be a blessing for some parents to have a dr. on staff, because most/many districts do not offer those services and it can be a major PITA to get a child diagnosed and helped if the parents cannot afford it, so the child limps along the school and the child in a constant state of turmoil.
I don't agree with mandatory testing but on the flipside say without it, one of the unfortunate things is you are going to get parents who are in denial of the depth of their child's problems, (Newtown, CT) and those will still slip through the cracks because they feel nothing is really wrong with little Jimmy. He'll grow out of it. It's a phase. Then Jimmy takes out his classmates. The percentage of parents in denial exhibited by the parents of the children and adolescents my husband sees is huge. They know their child's life isn't on track, they're making bad decisions, have disrupted the house, have some issue, but when it comes down to a professional or others making observations of that child, they take it very personally and want to protect Jr. from being singled out. Even if that's in the private setting of a professional environment and in help with his struggles. Parents are horrible enablers, even of the worst kind of situation. They almost always wait until it's too late. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | We can't afford to teach them well or pay teachers well but we can afford to pay a psychiatrist for each and every one of them? I'd rather pay the teachers well and let the parents step up and do their jobs. Of course, I know a lot of a parents won't but they won't anyhow if the gov keeps stepping up trying to do it for them. At some point all this micromanaging needs to stop. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | VonDigger - 2014-01-18 2:50 PM
OK, I might be going out on a limb here, but consider this. By doing this they can influence a few things. First of all, they are looking for "mental illness". By branding these kids as mentally disabled for one reason or another will put them in the welfare category, OR put them on a drug controled behavior modification for the rest of thier lives. For what you might ask? Another drone on the governemnt dole. I swear this government want as many folks as they can get in the welfare system one way or another. Another thing is the more they find mentally ill, the less future LEGAL gun sales there will be a potential for since it will be on that childs record. They are doing this in the name of "safety", I call BS on that.
Don't you think we should allow them to develop mentally before we brand them as 'mentally ill'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyMSc97UksM
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If we're going to talk about mandatory psychiatric evaluation, then I say we ought to begin with the politicians first, before the kids. In fact, if it is mental health we are so concerned about, and if some sort of compulsory psychiatric eveluation is so vital, I would first look at the mental health of the parents before the kids. It is said that mental illness is on the rise in children, but it is also said to be on the rise in adults as well. If we are going to do any "evaluation" I say we begin with a long hard look at how the decline in the traditional nuclear family correlates with the increase in mental illness, among other things. Making psychiatric evaluations of all children mandatory is just wrong, in my opinion. Of course, we are talking about New York....freak show central.
There is something almost Hitleresque about a law like this. This is just nuts - no pun intended. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-19 7:23 AM If we're going to talk about mandatory psychiatric evaluation, then I say we ought to begin with the politicians first, before the kids. In fact, if it is mental health we are so concerned about, and if some sort of compulsory psychiatric eveluation is so vital, I would first look at the mental health of the parents before the kids. It is said that mental illness is on the rise in children, but it is also said to be on the rise in adults as well. If we are going to do any "evaluation" I say we begin with a long hard look at how the decline in the traditional nuclear family correlates with the increase in mental illness, among other things. Making psychiatric evaluations of all children mandatory is just wrong, in my opinion. Of course, we are talking about New York....freak show central.
There is something almost Hitleresque about a law like this. This is just nuts - no pun intended.
Ya know Doc... If you had not spent so much of the last few years saying the same thing about obozo... This might have had an impact here.. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | "Hitleresque" applies to Obozo as well. There are many examples of this as far as he is concerned and the sililarities in many respects are almost eerie. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | HotbearLVR - 2014-01-19 8:30 AM
"Hitleresque" applies to Obozo as well. There are many examples of this as far as he is concerned and the sililarities in many respects are almost eerie.
Like I said...... |
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| Just another code stamping which will get parents another SS check for their kid(s). |
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| Maybe these assessments will prevent school shootings, this is the only benefit I can see out of it |
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Location: That part of Texas | If I was a school administrator, I would hate the liability that this law could impose or give the impression that it imposes to on top of what everybody else has written.
If you test a child and find out they do have a problem, where does your involvement end and how responsible are you for seeing that they receive treatment, aftercare is completed and if it is a severe enough condition, are you liable for not disclosing it to other teachers, professionals working in the system and possibly the parents of the children? If you do have a student who pulls something like Adam Lanza did in Newtown and you didn't do something or supervise the treatment correctly, are you at risk for being responsible just as the parents might be?
On top of those concerns, I also just want to say that I would have hated to go through testing like this as a child. I did have to see a counselor once when I was about 11 and I greatly resented my mother for it because I thought she thought I was crazy or something was wrong with me. It ended up being a huge fiasco that didn't benefit any of us. With everything else our kids have to contend with in today's world, I think a mandatory evaluation for everyone is just overkill.
I know most of the schools in our area might discreetly call in our local mental health care people in to do an evaluation -- usually labeled more as trying to find a "learning disability" than a mental thing (even though that's what is going on -- and that seems to help greatly for those kids who have emerging bi-polar, schizophrenic and other mental problems. They do it in a way that doesn't out the child so to speak though. |
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Location: North Dakota | All the children that are not cookie cutter perfect in the eyes of the people running the school would be labled mentally off! The poor kids would't have a chance, just another way for humans to judge people they think are below them. The school system is the problem not the children 99% of the time. |
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| angelica - 2014-01-19 12:11 PMAll the children that are not cookie cutter perfect in the eyes of the people running the school would be labled mentally off! The poor kids would't have a chance, just another way for humans to judge people they think are below them. The school system is the problem not the children 99% of the time. Many of the students come from two parents with big problems genetically or self created, poor family role models, no work ethic, lack of respect, no value for any kind of education, no goal setting, no competitive edge, no desire to improve, limited to no values or standards, no discipline, no boundaries, and self entitlement. These parents have more than one child and the children continue the cycle......some of which is genetic...others created by experiences. Who is going to spend time with them socially, but others just like them? Until this changes and people start striving for improvement, everything else is a band aid. Why are so many people like this? Why do they always find others who think the ways they do? It might be easier to do a psych eval of the parents instead. LOL j/k.... well maybe not. Ha
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-19 10:37 AM
Maybe these assessments will prevent school shootings, this is the only benefit I can see out of it
When these school shootings are examined most all of the perpatrators had issues that were already known by parents, teachers and classmates but nothing was done. How are they going to force treatment?? Per Tilt's post on page 1, identifying is not the main problem, getting action by parents and the school system is the problem. In our current sue happy, politically correct society I don't see forced treatment happening. |
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Location: Florida | What law? I am totally confused. |
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Mandatory psychiatric evaluation for all school kids?