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Location: Phoenix | I was browsing 3 year olds on sale....seeing a lot of $10k+ price tags for 3 year olds that are broke, and just started on the pattern....seems like they are priced that way for the bloodlines. Is this something you would pay? Or is there a certain bloodline you would consider paying that much for? If you WOULD pay, What if you didn't want to Futurity? Would your mind change?
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| Here in CA, I know if I want a nicely bred, well built, well started 3 year old I will pay at LEAST $10k. Unless I'm ok with an "off brand" set of papers or one that isn't started, that's the going rate here.
HOWEVER, I have not personally paid that. If I was futurity-bound, I sure would, though. |
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Location: Adkins, Texas | We did just that late in 2011, we were not looking for a futurity prospect, but for a well bred mare from a particular trainer. She called us to inform us that she had one for sale that was loping the pattern and she believed that she would be ready for Ft. Smith the next year. We took her at her word and purchased her and let the trainer continue with her. She indeed was ready and made it back to the finals, although we didn't win, we had a respectable finish and have never had a moments regret on the purchase. |
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| I have a 3yo DFP colt, unstarted but heading that way within the month. He would be priced well over that price. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I don't think the futurity people would bat an eyelash at that price for a promising 3 year old. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-19 6:16 PM I don't think the futurity people would bat an eyelash at that price for a promising 3 year old.
I agree and then you have buyers who have $$ and can afford it without looking for a return on the investment. We bought a 7 year old from some wealthy people who had a barn full of 10k yearlings.
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| I have really noticed that the price of horses on bhw has really gone up in the last 18 months. Are horses selling, i know high end are selling and really cheap are selling. In general are horse selling, i ask because i want to breed my mare one more time as she is a 1995 model and i might be able to get one or two more babies. I dont want to breed just to over populate the system. But she was a 1-d mare out of a great barrel mare that add waddell rode before nbha. my mare has 5 or 6 full siblings all where good and barrel horses, they all had a good amount of run and turn. if my mare had a professional rider she would have been a name that everyone would know. I had am offer on my horse about 8 years ago of 40,000. But i loved my mare didnot have another horse to run and would spend a good amount on a replacement. I have a nice copy of my mare out of a grandson of cc. But he is a unknown. Just asking what the market is like so i can decide to breed my mare or not. |
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| You think that's bad look at what the cutting horse people pay for yearlings and two yr olds |
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Location: Arkansas | They sold some unstarted 2 year olds at Shawnee this weekend in the 20K range. An embryo in a recip mare (you got the recip as well) brought 12,200. |
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Location: Texas | we paid that much on a four year old who was exhibitioning 1/2 a second off. He's now a 9 year old who still runs within half a second off, and has won us a ton of awards- saddles, buckles, tack, etc over the years.
If I had the money to spend and take a gamble on, I would buy one of those well bred 3 YOs in a heart beat. Luckily I also have a couple of nice mares so I may just save up on the stud fee and do the big waiting game. However, believe me it will probably end up CHEAPER to just buy the 3 YO than all the money it takes to get the mare bred, foal on the ground, and started as a 3YO…. |
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Location: Idaho | In the future, when we run out of colts that we've bred and raised, I'd be looking at 3 yr olds that are broke, ready to pattern with good lines. I would expect to pay over $10k for one. I have a coming 3 yr old I am going to start and get a solid foundation on and put her up for sale, she will be around $7500, she is well bred, nice filly, priced to sell. So I think if you have the right buyer come along, then you could sell a well bred 3 yr old well over the $10k range. |
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| If I had the cash yes. It's alot of luck, bubble wrap and just feeding money to get them to three years of age. If u do it right there ready to hopefully start there career. I have owned one nice filly I could only afford as a weanling...sadly I didn't have enough bubble wrap and one wrong step in the field and she is brood mare sound. I believe alot of those high prices come from years of someone else paying to get them to competing age. Along with the popular blood lines |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Yes, they are selling. Horses like that are an investment for some people, as futurity prospects and for breeding programs.  |
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Money Eating Baggage Owner
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Location: Phoenix | I guess I can see that....
I just can't afford it!
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| I bought one last fall and so far she has been worth every penny. I had to sell a couple to buy one, but I'd rather ride one really nice one than a couple mediocre ones. Mine was not started on the pattern. Just a nice riding 3 year old ready to go on.
The "nice" ones cost just as much to feed, haul, pay entry fees on, etc. as any other horse.
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| Barrel racers=hipsters.
Are people buying these $15k 3 year olds?
Of course they are, it doesnt matter if youre running in the 3D as long as the papers are "cool". I just wonder if people are going to start putting their horses bloodlines on their trailer for all to be in aww of?
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Location: Oklahoma & Texas | It is a lot of money but when you factor in all the costs to get them there its pretty much a breakeven at 10k-15k.... the price of everything has gone up and horses aren't much different lol |
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| rockinas - 2014-01-19 10:10 PM Yes, they are selling. Horses like that are an investment for some people, as futurity prospects and for breeding programs.
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Location: Midwest | Itsme - 2014-01-19 10:47 PM Barrel racers=hipsters. Are people buying these $15k 3 year olds? Of course they are, it doesnt matter if youre running in the 3D as long as the papers are "cool". I just wonder if people are going to start putting their horses bloodlines on their trailer for all to be in aww of? Takes a swig of PBR...
no hipsters are too lazy to run barrels
also, they smell and I think that would bother the horses
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| Well, when you figure that almost every stud that is truly proven right now has a stud fee of $5000+, an excellent, proven black type broodmare is worth in excess of $5-10,000, a good nutritional program costs $2-5,000 for a mere handful of colts, breaking and training costs from $6-750 a month, shoeing costs $100, add in all the little unforeseen extras, Coggins, trip to the vet for that scraped up ankle, gelding, Caslicks, plus actually needing to make some money off of your program so you can continue it, yes, those colts are worth every bit of $15,000. I would much rather pay for the 15,000 dollar nicely started, high potential 3 year old ready to go than try to roll the dice and hope that all my careful planning and money actually results in me getting the same 3 yr old from scratch. I'd probably end up spending more money in the long run trying to get what I wanted, rather than just being able to go pick one out. Plus, if you truly take care of your high dollar investment and don't mess it up, they're easy to unload for a small profit if you can get them running solid 2D times. |
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | After breeding my good mare in hopes of getting some good prospects......to be cheap.....I would rather give 20,000 for a 3 yr old that is bred nice and going. It is NOT a game for the weak at heart or the weekend warrior. My heart has been stomped and my bank account has been ravaged. Buying is WAY easier and the 15,000 price tag is WAY cheaper. |
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Location: Northwest | I completely agree LVB! I've got a couple own daughters of FG out of DTF mares that I wouldn't take less than double that for. There is so much time and money put into them in order to ge them to this point, and not to mention gamble as well. |
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| whohasaplan - 2014-01-20 9:46 AM
After breeding my good mare in hopes of getting some good prospects......to be cheap.....I would rather give 20,000 for a 3 yr old that is bred nice and going. It is NOT a game for the weak at heart or the weekend warrior. My heart has been stomped and my bank account has been ravaged. Buying is WAY easier and the 15,000 price tag is WAY cheaper.
Can I cut and paste that to my husband? Because it sure is a justification for me to buy a nice horse. LOL! I feel ya. I found I don't have the capacity for financial and emotional ruin to raise babies. |
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Location: LOUISIANA | That is ridiculous..For some I agree...but for most of them bahahaha! lol
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-01-20 11:57 AM
whohasaplan - 2014-01-20 9:46 AM
After breeding my good mare in hopes of getting some good prospects......to be cheap.....I would rather give 20,000 for a 3 yr old that is bred nice and going. It is NOT a game for the weak at heart or the weekend warrior. My heart has been stomped and my bank account has been ravaged. Buying is WAY easier and the 15,000 price tag is WAY cheaper.
Can I cut and paste that to my husband? Because it sure is a justification for me to buy a nice horse. LOL! I feel ya. I found I don't have the capacity for financial and emotional ruin to raise babies.
LOL Of course!! My colt is at the trainers right now racking up more bills after 8 months there in prep for OKC last December but when I brought him home on a break we discovered he has a chip in his fetlock. So....after raising what was to be a "cheaper way" of doing it.....I have about 17,000 into him. Hoping to make Fort Smith but after mailing out entries I am again broke!! I was one of those people that thought everyone was crazy to pay that much but after playing the game myself.....I say 15,000 is CHEAP!! LOL I LOVE LOVE my gelding and man he is a looker. It was nice to raise one and be there from day one but life would be easier if I would have just bought a dang horse!! |
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Location: LOUISIANA | You can get burned either way..I bought a horse a few years ago..futurity horse..and she was entered in OKC.. The well know trainer (futurity rider) ran her horrible I might add...I had a full physical done on her..I paid a really expensive fee for her..
Got her home, and she pretty much broke down..I took her to my vet..and her knee was a mess with a chip in it..He told me she had been injected too many tiimes in that knee and was prob injected before I got there..oh, and she was also chipped in her ankle...
I had the well know veterinary clinic send him all xrays so he could look them over after several phone calls and they finally sent what the vet had taken..2 xrays..lol
BUYER BEWARE no matter what...yes..it might be a wonderful deal to wait and pay 17=20000 for a "futurity" horse...but then..it just could be another nightmare...I finally took both chips out of her..paid a fortune and the SOB who sold her to me wont give me the time of day when I see him.....Bastard
dont ask me who he is. im not saying..
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Location: Texas | Itsme - 2014-01-19 10:47 PM Barrel racers=hipsters. Are people buying these $15k 3 year olds? Of course they are, it doesnt matter if youre running in the 3D as long as the papers are "cool". I just wonder if people are going to start putting their horses bloodlines on their trailer for all to be in aww of? Takes a swig of PBR...
Now that was FUNNY and so true!!!!
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Location: Desert Land | Heck...we're selling some in utero for $10k+++ |
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Location: Central TX | i bought a 3 year old from a very reputable trainer cruising thru the barrels last year for 45k.... if youre good at finishing one out and they are bred well than yes people pay more than 15k all the time. |
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Are people buying these $15k 3 year olds?