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| We know Mesquite is a low 15, high 14 second pattern. That will help determine who makes the top 5 out of that group. Does anyone know if they will be running a standard pattern in the final rodeo? We KNOW there is enough room for one. IF they make it smaller than standard, that will make a big difference on WHO in the barrel racing has a shot at winning it. |
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Location: Arizona | It sure is going to be one tough race!! |
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Location: PNW | Is Mesquite going to be on RFDTV? That's the race that I'd REALLY like to watch! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Because I'm too lazy to look when is Mesquite? |
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| I honestly don't think it will make that big of a difference due to the toughness of the qualifiers.
Just take the NFR for an example. All those horses that run awesome in that small pen, still kicked butt in the standard patterns during the entire summer.
I think The American will be the same way. The caliber of horses should be able to handle small and standard with no problem. |
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| Question, do the horse/rider combos qualify to the American or is it riders and they bring whichever horse? |
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Location: Texas! | The arena is split in half for The American so I doubt it will be able to fit a standard pattern in the less than half arena. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | stayceem - 2014-01-21 4:24 PM Question, do the horse/rider combos qualify to the American or is it riders and they bring whichever horse?
That is not clear in the rules I have from BBR! |
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Location: The Great Northwest | CYA Ranch - 2014-01-21 3:48 PM Because I'm too lazy to look when is Mesquite?
February 21 - 23, Friday first round of 50,
Saturday Championship round (10 of 20),
Sunday is Championship Round (10 of 20)
Top 10 advance to American March 2 at Arlington, Texas. |
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| skye - 2014-01-20 10:49 PM
stayceem - 2014-01-21 4:24 PM Question, do the horse/rider combos qualify to the American or is it riders and they bring whichever horse?
That is not clear in the rules I have from BBR!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | skye - 2014-01-20 10:54 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-01-21 3:48 PM Because I'm too lazy to look when is Mesquite? February 21 - 23, Friday first round of 50,
Saturday Championship round (10 of 20),
Sunday is Championship Round (10 of 20)
Top 10 advance to American March 2 at Arlington, Texas.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | stayceem - 2014-01-21 1:05 AM skye - 2014-01-20 10:49 PM stayceem - 2014-01-21 4:24 PM Question, do the horse/rider combos qualify to the American or is it riders and they bring whichever horse? That is not clear in the rules I have from BBR! hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
By the talk that I have heard I am pretty sure it is the rider only- and any horse.
For instance- rumor has it that one of the ladies that qualified two horses- sold one and that everyone is offering her their horse for her other slot. |
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| SKM - 2014-01-20 5:08 PM
I honestly don't think it will make that big of a difference due to the toughness of the qualifiers.
Just take the NFR for an example. All those horses that run awesome in that small pen, still kicked butt in the standard patterns during the entire summer.
I think The American will be the same way. The caliber of horses should be able to handle small and standard with no problem.
Some of those mid west and eastern horses had a bit of a "learning curve" adjusting to the pattern in Buckeye the last 3 weekends. Some of them definitely needed their warm-up run in order to get things figured out. You could definitely tell some were not at all used to running that far across the arena or to the first barrel! The riders were able to jockey them past, but it definitely effected their times. |
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| Please explain how the Mesquite rules. I read where the top 5 out of 2 runs qualify for the final rodeo. Is that based on an average, or the top 5 fastest times? Can some please post a link to these rules for those of us not able to find them. Thanks! |
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| Never mind.. I found it. Here it is for anyone else wanting to know: http://www.rfdtv.com/story/23381118/the-american-rules
It mentions the BBR Champion is also allowed to enter so is the Andrea Cline from 2013, plus Charmayne, right?
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Location: The Great Northwest | bingo - 2014-01-23 9:38 AM Please explain how the Mesquite rules. I read where the top 5 out of 2 runs qualify for the final rodeo. Is that based on an average, or the top 5 fastest times? Can some please post a link to these rules for those of us not able to find them. Thanks!
The way I read the rules is there will be no average. The top 5 from each go make it to Arlington.
Better Barrel Races are sanctioning it. Robin4998@gmail.com or cal +1-405-615-4998
I looked at the rules on RFD-TV site and copied. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | bingo - 2014-01-23 9:38 AM Please explain how the Mesquite rules. I read where the top 5 out of 2 runs qualify for the final rodeo. Is that based on an average, or the top 5 fastest times? Can some please post a link to these rules for those of us not able to find them. Thanks!
That's the way I understand it too! |
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Location: Alberta | I think it will be a great race to watch, and I hope all make cleans are runs....but I'm cheering on the Canadians who have made it in  |
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| From the American rules page:
" Not including the possible Exemption contestants, 51 contestants will run one slack run, and then the top 20 finishers from that round will be split into two performances. One performance will be Saturday at 7 PM and the second will be Sunday at 2 PM. After those 20 individuals run in the performances, along with the possible Exemption Match or Exemption contestant, the top 10 times and the possible Exemption Match winner, or Exemption contestant, will solidify their spot in THE AMERICAN."
You're right, no average, but you will be making 2 runs to qualify if you make the top 20 in slack. Then top 10 times from WHAT? Is that the top times from all the runs OR from the performance runs?? Inquiring minds want to know... With $1,000,000 on the line, this is a very important thing to clarify.
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Location: Desert Land | I would love to see Christine Laughlin on Guys Six Pack to Go win it since my friend bred and raised that horse, but I'm rooting for my friend Danyelle (Campbell) Bassett as well! |
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Location: The Great Northwest | 3 To Go - 2014-01-22 10:51 AM SKM - 2014-01-20 5:08 PM I honestly don't think it will make that big of a difference due to the toughness of the qualifiers.
Just take the NFR for an example. All those horses that run awesome in that small pen, still kicked butt in the standard patterns during the entire summer.
I think The American will be the same way. The caliber of horses should be able to handle small and standard with no problem. Some of those mid west and eastern horses had a bit of a "learning curve" adjusting to the pattern in Buckeye the last 3 weekends. Some of them definitely needed their warm-up run in order to get things figured out. You could definitely tell some were not at all used to running that far across the arena or to the first barrel! The riders were able to jockey them past, but it definitely effected their times.
IMO! I feel some horses are quick around a barrel while others are quick between. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | What horse is Charmayne going to run at the American? |
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| I have to respectfully disagree on the horses being equal on small or large pens. I think there are definitely horses that excel in certain size pens. There are horses that clock best in smaller pens, and some in larger. Some in shallow ground, some in deep, some w/walls to ping off of, and some can handle those big, open in the field feeling arenas. Why else would barrel racers be so whinny when they set the stakes at barrel races. It seems there is often a preference based on what we know our horse clocks best in. There are a handful of horses that can excel in all conditions, but even the best do have a pattern size that suits them best. If the American arena is going to be shrunken in size, and a standard pattern is not being set, it would make my guess on who can win it different than if it was a standard pattern.
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Is Andrea Cline going to complete against Charmayne at the Mesquite qualifier? If so, the winner of that is the one who goes on to Arlington, from what I understand. Is Andrea Cline the trainer Charmayne had been using in the recent past? I'm so out of it, sorry...
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Location: Deep South | SKM - 2014-01-20 7:08 PM I honestly don't think it will make that big of a difference due to the toughness of the qualifiers.
Just take the NFR for an example. All those horses that run awesome in that small pen, still kicked butt in the standard patterns during the entire summer.
I think The American will be the same way. The caliber of horses should be able to handle small and standard with no problem.
I have to disagree. Summer Huff, for example, is a member of my NBHA district, I have rodeod with her, I see her run all the time. She is a tremendous jockey with access to superb horses, however, the horse she qualified on is most certainly a small pen horse. That is just where that horse excels. It will be interesting to see what horse changes are made for Mesquite. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | skye - 2014-01-22 12:51 PM What horse is Charmayne going to run at the American?
I saw her name in results on the Barrel News Report a week or so ago running Grasshopper. LRQHS has his pedigree. LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If Charmayne is riding James Jolly Taylor, look out hes a nice one, as all her other young ones. Saw her run on Taylor this past weekend and wow he's so smooth. I would love to see Charmayne win 
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Location: West Tennessee | bingo - 2014-01-22 1:11 PM I have to respectfully disagree on the horses being equal on small or large pens. I think there are definitely horses that excel in certain size pens. There are horses that clock best in smaller pens, and some in larger. Some in shallow ground, some in deep, some w/walls to ping off of, and some can handle those big, open in the field feeling arenas. Why else would barrel racers be so whinny when they set the stakes at barrel races. It seems there is often a preference based on what we know our horse clocks best in. There are a handful of horses that can excel in all conditions, but even the best do have a pattern size that suits them best. If the American arena is going to be shrunken in size, and a standard pattern is not being set, it would make my guess on who can win it different than if it was a standard pattern. AND Is Andrea Cline going to complete against Charmayne at the Mesquite qualifier? If so, the winner of that is the one who goes on to Arlington, from what I understand. Is Andrea Cline the trainer Charmayne had been using in the recent past? I'm so out of it, sorry...
I don't think Charmagne has to qualify -- she's invited to compete just like the top 10 girls from the NFR?
LOL, that's about as much as I think I have straight in my mind about this whole thing.
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Location: The Great Northwest | BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-23 11:09 AM SKM - 2014-01-20 7:08 PM I honestly don't think it will make that big of a difference due to the toughness of the qualifiers.
Just take the NFR for an example. All those horses that run awesome in that small pen, still kicked butt in the standard patterns during the entire summer.
I think The American will be the same way. The caliber of horses should be able to handle small and standard with no problem. I have to disagree. Summer Huff, for example, is a member of my NBHA district, I have rodeod with her, I see her run all the time. She is a tremendous jockey with access to superb horses, however, the horse she qualified on is most certainly a small pen horse. That is just where that horse excels. It will be interesting to see what horse changes are made for Mesquite.
Charmayne and Andrea are invited to the American. They don't compete with the qualifiers at Mesquite. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | bingo - 2014-01-23 10:11 AM I have to respectfully disagree on the horses being equal on small or large pens. I think there are definitely horses that excel in certain size pens. There are horses that clock best in smaller pens, and some in larger. Some in shallow ground, some in deep, some w/walls to ping off of, and some can handle those big, open in the field feeling arenas. Why else would barrel racers be so whinny when they set the stakes at barrel races. It seems there is often a preference based on what we know our horse clocks best in. There are a handful of horses that can excel in all conditions, but even the best do have a pattern size that suits them best. If the American arena is going to be shrunken in size, and a standard pattern is not being set, it would make my guess on who can win it different than if it was a standard pattern. AND Is Andrea Cline going to complete against Charmayne at the Mesquite qualifier? If so, the winner of that is the one who goes on to Arlington, from what I understand. Is Andrea Cline the trainer Charmayne had been using in the recent past? I'm so out of it, sorry...
They are invited so won't be competing at Mesquite. Andrea is the trainer. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | bingo - 2014-01-23 9:47 AM From the American rules page: " Not including the possible Exemption contestants, 51 contestants will run one slack run, and then the top 20 finishers from that round will be split into two performances. One performance will be Saturday at 7 PM and the second will be Sunday at 2 PM. After those 20 individuals run in the performances, along with the possible Exemption Match or Exemption contestant, the top 10 times and the possible Exemption Match winner, or Exemption contestant, will solidify their spot in THE AMERICAN." You're right, no average, but you will be making 2 runs to qualify if you make the top 20 in slack. Then top 10 times from WHAT? Is that the top times from all the runs OR from the performance runs?? Inquiring minds want to know... With $1,000,000 on the line, this is a very important thing to clarify.
I think the top 10 from the qualifiers that run Saturday and Sunday are the top 10 times moving to the American. It is 5 from each race. |
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| bingo - 2014-01-22 1:11 PM
I have to respectfully disagree on the horses being equal on small or large pens. I think there are definitely horses that excel in certain size pens. There are horses that clock best in smaller pens, and some in larger. Some in shallow ground, some in deep, some w/walls to ping off of, and some can handle those big, open in the field feeling arenas. Why else would barrel racers be so whinny when they set the stakes at barrel races. It seems there is often a preference based on what we know our horse clocks best in. There are a handful of horses that can excel in all conditions, but even the best do have a pattern size that suits them best. If the American arena is going to be shrunken in size, and a standard pattern is not being set, it would make my guess on who can win it different than if it was a standard pattern.
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Is Andrea Cline going to complete against Charmayne at the Mesquite qualifier? If so, the winner of that is the one who goes on to Arlington, from what I understand. Is Andrea Cline the trainer Charmayne had been using in the recent past? I'm so out of it, sorry...
I agree with this in my experience every horse EXCELS in a certain arena, some in small or large etc. Even if they are pro, I feel that they are great everywhere , but spectacular in arenas that suit the individual beat. |
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Time to start making wagers on The American