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Location: Cookeville TN | I have "acquired" a 2 year old grade QH filly. She is extremely aggressive. I have tried to begin some round pen work, she is actually living in the round pen due to her behavior. I have held her feed from her and it just doesn't phase her. During ground work she will lounge toward me bearing teeth and it doesn't matter if i whack her neck with the rope or I've even elbowed her in the jaw a few times. Also, when I get her going in a good lope in the pen she bucks and rears, and when she bucks, her hips come up above the panels.. I'm just at a loss as to what to do with her. I'm considering starting completely over with her, just as if she knows NOTHING.. but even then, with her aggressiveness idk what to do or where to start. I've never dealt with one with an attitude like this.
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Location: SoCal | I've never dealt with that aggressive of horse before but I have heard that if you lay them down sometimes it helps. Sounds like you need to be extra careful if you try it though. |
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Location: Cookeville TN | I want to add that she stands for the farrier, is okay with picking up hooves, but ONLY if someone is holding her at her halter. If you attempt to lift her hooves with her tied to trailer/tree/hitching post, etc., she will not cooperate.
This morning, since there is some extreme weather coming in (for our area, it's extreme) I was getting her out of the round pen to let her out to pasture where the round bale is, I reached for her halter and she tried to bite me, when I touched her shoulder, just to pet her, hoping to calm her a little, she immediately spun around to kick me. She just has such a nasty attitude.. I'm at a loss, I was hoping to have her riding this spring and starting her on a "job", but I've got to get this attitude straightened out! |
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| I started a two year old last year for someone, and he was the most aggressive horse I had ever worked with. For starters, on the ground he would try and swing his butt and kick at you....OR he would rear up and try and swipe at your head.
Totally dangerous....so that is when I got my husband (he needed a stronger hand than what I could give) to work with him.
We put him in the round pen and worked the CRAP out of him. Anytime he showed aggression my husband sent him flying around that pen. This went on for over an hour, and at one point this horse tried to jump the gate.
But, after that-we got it out of him. All it took was one dose of truly hard work.
He also got a little humbled when we hauled him for the first time. He somehow managed to flip over the stall divider on the ride to our house and was sitting almost on his head with his feet sticking straight up in the air.
Once we got him out he was a lot more respectful.
I would see if you could get a second person to help you get after this horse in the round pen-and work that horse until she doesn't do anything disrespectful to you in that pen anymore.
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| Too many good horses, since you guys can can them, get someone to shoot her. You life is worth more then a cranky grade horse. |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Thank you, Magic. I will try that, I've worked her for hours at a time, and wore her out only for the next time I go out for her to act the same, aggressive way. I have even left her tied for hours, even over-night. She would bang her head on whatever I have her tied to. She can also untie most anything, and even chews lead ropes.. |
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Location: North Dakota | Don't breed her she may pass the same junk. I would haul her to an auction and be done with it. Too many super nice horses to mess with a psycho! |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Cheryl, while I respect your opinion and agree that yes, my life is more important than ANiY horse. Grade or not. This is not a matter of reg/unreg. I've seen plenty of well-bred horses have sour attitudes, that would hurt, if not kill someone. I feel that this filly is young enough, that with enough time and maybe a different point of view or a change in direction as far as training that she has hope. Now, if she is 5-6 years old and still acting like this, sure she may need a bullet/euthanized, so that nobody's life is in danger.
I also want to add (not that it matters, because it is irrelevant to my problem) she is a fairly well bred foundation QH. Due to the circumstances her paperwork was not available at the time she became mine, not to say that it won't potentially be available eventually, nor do I care either way. |
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| I have a filly that is showing aggressive tendency ....I can already tell she is going to be the type of horse u have to do something with everyday to keep sain... If she isn't in the mood for something she will kick and come at you with teeth... for example she had a small cut on her shoulder n I went to look at it and she came after me I blocked her and then with the other hand clocked her in the face with the back of a brush. ...she chilled out right away and would let me touch all over the cut not even looking at me.....she is going to be a monster. But she is super athletic and does want to work that is when she is most happy.she is just going to be one you can't turn your back on to long. And she will always have to be reminded who alpha is. |
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Location: Cookeville TN | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-21 9:53 AM
did the attitude start suddenly or recently? it may be hormone related if it started after she went through "horse puberty" lol
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Location: Cookeville TN | Thistle2011 - 2014-01-21 9:53 AM
I have a filly that is showing aggressive tendency ....I can already tell she is going to be the type of horse u have to do something with everyday to keep sain... If she isn't in the mood for something she will kick and come at you with teeth... for example she had a small cut on her shoulder n I went to look at it and she came after me I blocked her and then with the other hand clocked her in the face with the back of a brush. ...she chilled out right away and would let me touch all over the cut not even looking at me.....she is going to be a monster. But she is super athletic and does want to work that is when she is most happy.she is just going to be one you can't turn your back on to long. And she will always have to be reminded who alpha is.
This sounds like her EXACTLY. I feel like once she has a JOB she will be happier and more willing. She's smart and has figured out that aggressiveness=no work. She also protects the other horses from work, when in the pasture she will get between me and whichever horse I'm trying to catch.. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Sounds possibly confused and fighting back in the pen. Yes, I would start over but have a plan. I suggest getting a Clinton Anderson student to help. You can go to Clinton's site Downunder Horsemanship and get video's of ground work. You may also find videos on ground work on ebay too. Diffinatly seek help she is dangerous now. |
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| bringinithome - 2014-01-21 9:56 AM
Thistle2011 - 2014-01-21 9:53 AM
I have a filly that is showing aggressive tendency ....I can already tell she is going to be the type of horse u have to do something with everyday to keep sain... If she isn't in the mood for something she will kick and come at you with teeth... for example she had a small cut on her shoulder n I went to look at it and she came after me I blocked her and then with the other hand clocked her in the face with the back of a brush. ...she chilled out right away and would let me touch all over the cut not even looking at me.....she is going to be a monster. But she is super athletic and does want to work that is when she is most happy.she is just going to be one you can't turn your back on to long. And she will always have to be reminded who alpha is.
This sounds like her EXACTLY. I feel like once she has a JOB she will be happier and more willing. She's smart and has figured out that aggressiveness=no work. She also protects the other horses from work, when in the pasture she will get between me and whichever horse I'm trying to catch..
Sounds like u need a couple mares that will teach her a lesson. I would start over with her. If she is being nasty moving forward is to easy. if she is being rude ...I mean even taking one step to u with her shoulder back her as fast as possible away from u till u See her soften her face and mouth or ...just move the witch away from u laterally I mean run smack her hard in the shoulder if she just tries to bolt forward.. sounds like she has no respect for you or other horses. I am not sure withholding feed is going to do anything but make her sick. Horses don't have a thought process of going to bed hungry for bad behavior |
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Location: Cookeville TN | skye - 2014-01-21 9:59 AM
Sounds possibly confused and fighting back in the pen. Yes, I would start over but have a plan. I suggest getting a Clinton Anderson student to help. You can go to Clinton's site Downunder Horsemanship and get video's of ground work. You may also find videos on ground work on ebay too. Diffinatly seek help she is dangerous now.
I am quite familiar with Clinton Anderson's method and have applied his foundation work, she is neither scared, nor confused. She KNOWS what she is doing. I have actually planned on going back and re-watching some of Clinton Anderson's videos.. |
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Location: Great NW | If she thinks that agression = no work - you need to change her thought process. aggression = WORK. when she is bad - work her butt hard. make her move and turn and just plain wear her out. when she wants to stop - make her keep moving until you tell her to stop. I would keep her in a seperate pasture from the other horses. there are several techniques to lay her down. She is a very strong alpha - sounds like her moma (horse) did not repremand her very well. She needs to learn that you are Alpha. if you can get thru to her she should make you an amazing horse. Be careful and work safe. |
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Location: Texas | First Be careful!!! Aggressiveness can be very hard to deal with and you must have the correct timing with the displine. Even a second off won't work. Laying one down does work but it must be done correctly or you can actually cause more damage. (We discipline IMMEDIATeLY and make them think they are going to die for three seconds) also this is VERY important as soon as the discipline is over forget about it don't hold it against the horse or stay mad. If you're mad or frustrated go tie her up and get recentered Were all human and sometimes need a break. You will help her more by doing that then staying mad and trying to work through it. disclaimer out of the way. With an aggressive horse you must gain respect on the ground. Make her move her feet, always keep her on a line 1 so you can pull her head around if she tries to leave, 2 to help communicate your requests. Work her in a thin rope halter that has some bite to it. The bucking right now I would ignore. Just send her forward. You need to fix the biting and lunging at you first. First exercise I would do with her is lunge in round pen one direction. Using your body weight step toward her hip and WHOA! Sit her down ( whoa on her hock and turn to face you.)Send her in the next direction. Same thing step toward hip and WHOA. Don't give her a ton of time to plan on evading you only one to two laps around at a trot or easy lope. Not Mach 10. You become the dominate mare deciding what direction she goes and when. Work on this for about 20 min. Tie her up let her think on it. Hour later take a bucket of water and offer it to her. She drinks great she doesn't oh well. You now control every aspect of her life. Same exercise again see how much was retained. The lunging and biting would have her running into the butt end of a whip. Then chased backwards for 10 or so steps then sent to work lunging. There is no leyway here. If she does that and gets you down you're toast. The smack in the neck or elbow isn't working it sounds like it's escalated to far. My guess and I'm sry if I'm wrong. Is that when she goes to bite and lunge you move out of the way then smack her. Or you just smack her and don't move her feet If you move and/or don't make her move she becomes dominate mare. She made you move which is what she wanted. Again sry if I'm reading it wrong. We have had a couple that came for training bc of that. I would keep her in the round pen and take away grain only feed hay and water. She has plenty of spice so she doesn't need any grain lol. There's a lot more exercises you can do and I'm sure you will get plenty of great advice here. Please just be careful and have a buddy there when you work with her and if you lay her down have someone who has done it before helping you so you don't get in a wreak. Our way is not always rainbows and butterflies but it works for us and has worked for some pretty hopeless cases. Good luck! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Put her on some supplement like Mare Magic for a while and see if it might help with her moods. It's would worth a shot 
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Location: Cookeville TN | Well the ONLY reason I have held her feed is because she has come after me at feeding time, and I feel like if I go ahead and give her her grain, she will be rewarded for her behavior. |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Married2Rodeo - 2014-01-21 10:17 AM
First Be careful!!! Aggressiveness can be very hard to deal with and you must have the correct timing with the displine. Even a second off won't work. Laying one down does work but it must be done correctly or you can actually cause more damage. (We discipline IMMEDIATeLY and make them think they are going to die for three seconds) also this is VERY important as soon as the discipline is over forget about it don't hold it against the horse or stay mad. If you're mad or frustrated go tie her up and get recentered Were all human and sometimes need a break. You will help her more by doing that then staying mad and trying to work through it. disclaimer out of the way. With an aggressive horse you must gain respect on the ground. Make her move her feet, always keep her on a line 1 so you can pull her head around if she tries to leave, 2 to help communicate your requests. Work her in a thin rope halter that has some bite to it. The bucking right now I would ignore. Just send her forward. You need to fix the biting and lunging at you first. First exercise I would do with her is lunge in round pen one direction. Using your body weight step toward her hip and WHOA! Sit her down ( whoa on her hock and turn to face you.)Send her in the next direction. Same thing step toward hip and WHOA. Don't give her a ton of time to plan on evading you only one to two laps around at a trot or easy lope. Not Mach 10. You become the dominate mare deciding what direction she goes and when. Work on this for about 20 min. Tie her up let her think on it. Hour later take a bucket of water and offer it to her. She drinks great she doesn't oh well. You now control every aspect of her life. Same exercise again see how much was retained. The lunging and biting would have her running into the butt end of a whip. Then chased backwards for 10 or so steps then sent to work lunging. There is no leyway here. If she does that and gets you down you're toast. The smack in the neck or elbow isn't working it sounds like it's escalated to far. My guess and I'm sry if I'm wrong. Is that when she goes to bite and lunge you move out of the way then smack her. Or you just smack her and don't move her feet If you move and/or don't make her move she becomes dominate mare. She made you move which is what she wanted. Again sry if I'm reading it wrong. We have had a couple that came for training bc of that. I would keep her in the round pen and take away grain only feed hay and water. She has plenty of spice so she doesn't need any grain lol. There's a lot more exercises you can do and I'm sure you will get plenty of great advice here. Please just be careful and have a buddy there when you work with her and if you lay her down have someone who has done it before helping you so you don't get in a wreak. Our way is not always rainbows and butterflies but it works for us and has worked for some pretty hopeless cases. Good luck!
Thank you so much, I am going to try this! |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Southtxponygirl - 2014-01-21 10:17 AM
Put her on some supplement like Mare Magic for a while and see if it might help with her moods. It's would worth a shot
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Location: Great NW | mare Magic is Raspberry leaves... and yes it does work on some moody mares. you can find mare Magic at most feed stores. but if not - online stores like Valley Vet have it. or if you have any good health food stores you can find the leaves there and but about 1lb. you feed like 1/2 oz or less a day.(what you can scoop up in a 2oz measure usually works on my mares.) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | speedjunkie - 2014-01-21 11:17 AM mare Magic is Raspberry leaves... and yes it does work on some moody mares. you can find mare Magic at most feed stores. but if not - online stores like Valley Vet have it. or if you have any good health food stores you can find the leaves there and but about 1lb. you feed like 1/2 oz or less a day.(what you can scoop up in a 2oz measure usually works on my mares.)
This^^^^ Google it and see what comes up so you can read up on it. I know it works on some horses, but not all, so I would just try and see if it will help out some on your mare. Goodluck with her  |
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Location: Cookeville TN | Thank you ALL. I'm definitely going to give your ideas a try!
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | bringinithome - 2014-01-21 11:19 AM Well the ONLY reason I have held her feed is because she has come after me at feeding time, and I feel like if I go ahead and give her her grain, she will be rewarded for her behavior.
I disagree with holding feed with an aggressive horse as hunger can cause aggression. Rather then hold it altogether, just somehow make her wait on it? I don't know if you can, but when my colts would get food aggressive I would dump their feed I a no refuse to let them near it until they stood a distance away for a minute or so. I used whatever means necessary to make them stand away, and I won't even sugar coat it, I've whooped a few rear ends over it.
just going out on a limb, if you are dead set on working with her, try regumate or something of the sort. She really does sound hormonal. Sorry that you are dealing with this |
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| Married2Rodeo - 2014-01-21 10:17 AM
First Be careful!!! Aggressiveness can be very hard to deal with and you must have the correct timing with the displine. Even a second off won't work. Laying one down does work but it must be done correctly or you can actually cause more damage. (We discipline IMMEDIATeLY and make them think they are going to die for three seconds) also this is VERY important as soon as the discipline is over forget about it don't hold it against the horse or stay mad. If you're mad or frustrated go tie her up and get recentered Were all human and sometimes need a break. You will help her more by doing that then staying mad and trying to work through it. disclaimer out of the way. With an aggressive horse you must gain respect on the ground. Make her move her feet, always keep her on a line 1 so you can pull her head around if she tries to leave, 2 to help communicate your requests. Work her in a thin rope halter that has some bite to it. The bucking right now I would ignore. Just send her forward. You need to fix the biting and lunging at you first. First exercise I would do with her is lunge in round pen one direction. Using your body weight step toward her hip and WHOA! Sit her down ( whoa on her hock and turn to face you.)Send her in the next direction. Same thing step toward hip and WHOA. Don't give her a ton of time to plan on evading you only one to two laps around at a trot or easy lope. Not Mach 10. You become the dominate mare deciding what direction she goes and when. Work on this for about 20 min. Tie her up let her think on it. Hour later take a bucket of water and offer it to her. She drinks great she doesn't oh well. You now control every aspect of her life. Same exercise again see how much was retained. The lunging and biting would have her running into the butt end of a whip. Then chased backwards for 10 or so steps then sent to work lunging. There is no leyway here. If she does that and gets you down you're toast. The smack in the neck or elbow isn't working it sounds like it's escalated to far. My guess and I'm sry if I'm wrong. Is that when she goes to bite and lunge you move out of the way then smack her. Or you just smack her and don't move her feet If you move and/or don't make her move she becomes dominate mare. She made you move which is what she wanted. Again sry if I'm reading it wrong. We have had a couple that came for training bc of that. I would keep her in the round pen and take away grain only feed hay and water. She has plenty of spice so she doesn't need any grain lol. There's a lot more exercises you can do and I'm sure you will get plenty of great advice here. Please just be careful and have a buddy there when you work with her and if you lay her down have someone who has done it before helping you so you don't get in a wreak. Our way is not always rainbows and butterflies but it works for us and has worked for some pretty hopeless cases. Good luck!
THIS^ Great advice right here! That's what my mom always used to tell me - if a horse is super naughty discipline them and make them think they're going to die for 3 seconds, then act like nothing ever happened and go back to work. You have some great suggestions here, I hope you figure it out! Be safe and update us! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I hate to blame bad behavior on health issues all the time as some horse ae just born nasty. But I wonder if she has PSSM or ulcers or somethiing that is just eating at her and moving around makes her just insane with pain? |
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Location: Cookeville TN | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-21 12:25 PM
I hate to blame bad behavior on health issues all the time as some horse ae just born nasty. But I wonder if she has PSSM or ulcers or somethiing that is just eating at her and moving around makes her just insane with pain?
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Location: Randolph, Utah | If pain is ruled out I would send her to someone else to start or get rid of her.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | bringinithome - 2014-01-21 7:07 AM I want to add that she stands for the farrier, is okay with picking up hooves, but ONLY if someone is holding her at her halter. If you attempt to lift her hooves with her tied to trailer/tree/hitching post, etc., she will not cooperate. This morning, since there is some extreme weather coming in (for our area, it's extreme) I was getting her out of the round pen to let her out to pasture where the round bale is, I reached for her halter and she tried to bite me, when I touched her shoulder, just to pet her, hoping to calm her a little, she immediately spun around to kick me. She just has such a nasty attitude.. I'm at a loss, I was hoping to have her riding this spring and starting her on a "job", but I've got to get this attitude straightened out!
I would have immediately smacked her HARD. When haltering a young horse I always keep my elbow ready so I can move it up and bump them with it. Remember she is in your space, you're not in hers. If you don't get it under control soon it's going to be too late. This horse has no respect for you at all. I don't know what you feed, but I'd also take her off of everything except some grass hay. The last thing you want to do is feed her up while she is kept stalled or in a small pen.
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I would feed her THE Calming Powder and THE Calming Cookies so she gets double the dose. I know they also have a Moody Mare formula that might help as well. Maybe give her THE GastroPLUS for ulcers too. I hope you bring a whip with you for protection. JMO I wouldn't want to go against something aggressive unarmed. I wish you the best of luck and pray for your safety! 
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i bought 1 beautiful bred like a million bucks but she dam near killed me won/t go into to deal but everything here suggested did.
i finally sent her to andeson in tifton ga after 6weeks she came home but he too said you can never trust her sold her to charlie
we nickname her dollywood her full brother was aswome she was hateful trecherous mean
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-21 9:42 AM
Too many good horses, since you guys can can them, get someone to shoot her. You life is worth more then a cranky grade horse.
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Location: hot, humid and dry...Gulf coast East of Houston.. | Yakima - 2014-01-21 3:19 PM :0))) wished u lived closer I'd love a try at her :0)))
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| things that don't kill us (knock on wood ) will only make us stronger. I think even if she wont turn out to be the best thing ever (or she could) if you learn to turn her into something workable you will gain much knowledge as a horse person knowledge is POWER. I didn't have a choice but to learn how to train particular horses and did not have an option of getting another... now im pretty confident and feel I have many tools for teaching young horses that normally would have people backed into a corner. I encourage people to be open minded and problems solvers for the ones that don't come as easy because it WILL make you better horseman. |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | I have a filly at my house that is by my deceased stallion and out of a mare I sold with said filly in utero. I sold the mare with the unborn filly to a woman out of state. When the filly was a young 2yo, she called to tell me that she was selling her because the filly was aggressive and attacking her. I was shocked at that information. The woman raises trains breaks and shows arabs and half arabs. She sold the filly to another woman who then came down with cancer and couldn't keep her so the original woman took her back. She kept her a month and called to say that she was attacking her and making her run out of the round pen. She said she'd give her to me if I paid the shipping. The shippers told me it took the woman 3 hours to load the filly because the owner tapped, and tapped and tapped ad nauseum the filly on the heels and butt to get her in the trailer. In talking to the woman, she said that she treated the filly like her arabs, and she never tells them to do anything she only asks (and asks, and asks, and asks.....).
So we have had the filly at our house for a year. We broke and and have got her riding nicely. She has never attacked us, never bit, never bared her teeth or acted aggressive. We treat her like all our horses, she knows the rules, she knows we are are the herd bosses. We don't peck or tap excessively. We are fair and firm. Our horses know what is expected of them.
I really can't explain why this filly acted aggressive with her first owner but not with us but I have a few ideas.
Perhaps starting over is a good place to start, what about Anderson's "Lunging for Respect" lesson? Maybe she needs to be laid down by someone who's experienced in doing so? |
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Location: Alberta | If your determined to give her a chance and have the money and access to a good trainer who works off a ranch setting, I'd send her there.....being cowboy'ed off learns a horse fast what respect and work ethic means....AND if it's a good trainer they will try what they can and tell you if the horse is worth the effort....
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Location: Cookeville TN | Thistle2011 - 2014-01-22 9:40 AM
things that don't kill us (knock on wood ) will only make us stronger. I think even if she wont turn out to be the best thing ever (or she could) if you learn to turn her into something workable you will gain much knowledge as a horse person knowledge is POWER. I didn't have a choice but to learn how to train particular horses and did not have an option of getting another... now im pretty confident and feel I have many tools for teaching young horses that normally would have people backed into a corner. I encourage people to be open minded and problems solvers for the ones that don't come as easy because it WILL make you better horseman.
Thank you, Thistle2011. This is my thought exactly. While she is aggressive and potentially dangerous, what good would it do, either her or me to just send her off? I have dealt with aggressiveness before, not to this extent, but I do see it as a learning experience. I do not have the luxury to send her off to auction and go pick up another to try. I also feel that when she eventually has a job, she will be an extremely willing and hard working little mare. The dilemma is getting her to that point. It's going to be tough, challenging, and trying for sure, but I'm ready to give it a whirl!
Thank everyone who has left some POSITIVE advice and words of encouragement. I will try to keep everyone updated on her progress as I try out all of these products and ideas! |
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Location: The money window | Prayers for your safety and success!
You've gotten lots of good advice, and if you can't pick up another, working through with this one will make you a better horse person and teach you lots, even if it doesn't pan out.
I had a troublesome one (though nothing like that) that I got rid of, and I always regret not working through it. I feel like I didn't give her a fair shake. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | shellyh1971 - 2014-01-22 9:33 AM Yakima - 2014-01-21 3:19 PM :0))) wished u lived closer I'd love a try at her :0))) I have one with an attitude I can sent your way if your itching to play... LOL
^^^^Ditto^^^^I have one as well. |
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Location: Phoenix | I'd cut the grain.
and rewatch the CA DVDs....I remember one episode where the horse was coming after the owner in the round pen. It took one timely whip on the ass while round Penning and that horse straightened out pretty quick.
Anytime a horse tries to kick at my dad they get a swift kick in the belly. Just saying. I would always cringe but that's better than a hospital bill!!!! The last young horse that kicked at my dad he sent her on the slaughter truck. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-21 8:42 AM Too many good horses, since you guys can can them, get someone to shoot her. You life is worth more then a cranky grade horse.
Normally I am against a bad tempered horse. But in this case, I really must disagree with this advice.
This is a 2 year old. Mayby she has a REASON for being the way she is. Maybe she's had bad experiences and simply is protecting herself.
Like someone else mentioned, I would try to lay her down. It's amazing what that can do for a horse with a bad, disrespectful attitude. You have to break them down and then build them back up. If I did that and she was still nasty, then I might reconsider my position on getting rid of her permenantly. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-01-21 11:26 AM
speedjunkie - 2014-01-21 11:17 AM mare Magic is Raspberry leaves... and yes it does work on some moody mares. you can find mare Magic at most feed stores. but if not - online stores like Valley Vet have it. or if you have any good health food stores you can find the leaves there and but about 1lb. you feed like 1/2 oz or less a day.(what you can scoop up in a 2oz measure usually works on my mares.)
This^^^^ Google it and see what comes up so you can read up on it. I know it works on some horses, but not all, so I would just try and see if it will help out some on your mare. Goodluck with her
MARE MAGIC works well on curbing my mare's estrus cycle issues ... the longer you feed it, the better it works. I'm not real sure how it works on younger horses with attitude problems ....
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Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada | If it helps I will tell you about my TB mare given to me as a 15 year old mare no one could deal with by a very kind lady who was a good rider.
Now I am not a horse trainer, just a trail rider. The first year or so was a gong show of battles on the trail, bucking rearing etc. Then when riding her in circles she pulled a suspensory and had to be laid off a few months. Rode another year then she pulled a DDFT branch in front foot. Rehab another year. However, I had tried regumate for a bit and it seemed to help and with the second injury I thought I would just get her ovaries out . Why not? I could not ride and I like being poor.
So down to the vet clinic in Wa. and they did the operation. What they did that was really smart was to do a biopsy on the ovaries after. One had a malignant tunor inside, not a visible cyst and the vet said probably part of her problem. She was mean and nasty and would bite and kick people just unreal before this although she and I were not too bad.
Now the dangerous edge is off and she is just frightened mostly when I ride her, not nasty or mean , no bucking or rearing or really bad behavior, just will not settle sometimes, and I am working on calming her down. Not perfect, but a lot better.
No wonder she looked all muscled up like a stallion. She is now 19 going on 20 so probably ingrained by now. The thing was when I ultra sounded her before using regumate the ovaries look good. When I put her on regumate to go south she did not show anything abnormal in the overies, and when the surgeon took them out he said they looked perfect.
So, just a comment that maybe you should talk to a vet, maybe do a hormonal panel on her or get a Parelli type trainer etc. A really good trainer Darryl Gibb up here did lay her down to teach her to trailer load two years ago and that seemed to get her attention. He said she just had never been taught to lead properly from the get go and was able to fight with everyone and scare them off or make them give up on her.
But with injuries and layoff she reverted back two years later when I tried to load her myself a few months ago. Just need towork on that. I need to get my trainer back. So, just my two cents. I appreciate the difficulty some of these horses have now that I have been through this. I thought I could ride her down but you cannot tite this horse out and it just broke down her tendons in the end. I am not happy with how I handled this horse at first but we are getting along a lot better now.
This horse is either mentally deranged from a head injury or lack of oxygen when being born etc. , or has a hormonal , pain , or metabolic problem, or just is a very frightened young horse who needs to go back to basics and needs a trainer who can work on the fears and problems she has.
Please i am not being critical. Just adding this if it helps.
Cheers,
Coastal Rider
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| Scary deal. If she has your number get someone to help you the first few sessions. If you have an older, solid, alpha type horse you might have good luck working the colt off of them. Both for your safety and the colts need to learn his role in things.
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Aggressive 2 year old. HELP!