3 To Go - 2014-01-21 3:31 PM Always get a PPE. Otherwise, live with the consequences. Been there, done that. Many assume that just because a horse is young they will not have anything show up on an x-ray and this is not true. Unless the seller's also had the horse x-rayed, they wouldn't know about the condidtion either. I don't think most sellers get x-rays on their coming 2 yo's, so it's possible they didn't know.

barrelrider - 2014-01-21 1:42 PM I agree, I think you are out of luck. We've done ppe on some horses and still found stuff later. I would try to fix it and see if you can still make a horse. Good luck.

lexyy12 - 2014-01-21 6:25 PM

Hmm wonder if this is the same seller from a couple weeks ago?! Anyways, I'm sorry this happened to you!!

halter_ego - 2014-01-21 3:56 PM


No way to fix this problem.  There is actually a piece of her navicular bone that never formed.  Vet said, if we pursued anything more active than an occassional trail horse, with this filly, she would have to be nerved within 2 years. 

barrelracin85 - 2014-01-21 7:36 PM


I don't think it is. She's not giving names respectfully to give her a chance to make right. From what little she did give I don't think it's the same seller though.

BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-01-21 6:37 PM Evidently the PPE was going to cost more than you paid for the horse. It is like people buying outlaw horses or no papered horses at local sales at giveaway prices and then complaining about horse tearing down the barn ... or trying to find breeder to register horse ... you bought what you paid for!! All of us have enough problems with farriers working on sound horses ... yet you go trim and then do corrective shoeing on one you already knew had sore "soles" ... and then go to the vet ... not the best decision IMO... I personally will guarantee anything that leaves my barn per the description I have told a buyer ... a month later ... NO ... I have no idea if buyer foundered the horse or has a crappy farrier or other things that could have happened to the horse... and I can brag that I have never had an unhappy buyer!!! **************************************************************** This reminds me of an ex-friend of mine . I had found a 1980 one owner garaged all of its life in AZ Corvette with 84,000 legit miles on it that had been for sale awhile and asked him to go take a look at it and get back to me since he was in AZ and I am in Tx/Ok. I was talking to seller on the phone previously. He calls me excited about the vette while looking at it ... I had him hand seller the phone and made a low ball offer since I was going to have to ship it and I do not believe friends about exciting deals ... lol .. Seller took my offer ... and agreed on bank transfer ... my friend said he would just write a check and I could pay him ... and I said OK ... ... Friend apparently told seller he had just been screwed etc etc and he would be right back with a driver for the vette. Owner pulled all the repair history, original purchase papers, manuals, sticker etc out of the car unknowingly to my friend .... When friend gets vette to his house he calls me and tells me he likes it and is going to keep the car for me not to send him any money .. Then a week later he realizes all the history on the car is missing and owner sez it did not come with the car at that price and it would cost him $2000 for the papers ... lol NOW IT IS MY FAULT he has a vette with no history on it which would double the value of the car ... and it needs a $700 vacuum module on the transmission .... STILL MY FAULT ... lol ... Seller and I have talked and he is willing to give me the papers for free if I end up with the vette ... he is still psst at my friends attitude ..... sorry to say that is not going to happen because my ex-friend deserves to rot in "L" ... lol Prices on horses are like cars ... you get what you pay for, I know I bore people to death .. because I will tell you more about the horse than you ever wanted to know about anything ... lol...

nquinn - 2014-01-21 7:56 PM

Any way you could contact the "bad review vets" to see if maybe someone already had her ppe there, and the filly failed. Worth a shot.

nquinn - 2014-01-21 6:56 PM Any way you could contact the "bad review vets" to see if maybe someone already had her ppe there, and the filly failed. Worth a shot.

SaraJean - 2014-01-21 6:20 PM When I talked with my vet about PPE's he flat told me that he cannot reveal ANY info to anybody but the person paying for the exam. Without signed paperwork he cannot even show the results to the owner of the horse. 

halter_ego - 2014-01-21 9:24 PM So here is hypothetical question.... what if I had done the prepurchase and did not take front foot films per the vet's suggestion? Everything else was fine, and 2 days later the filly was indeed in the same condition she is now?

halter_ego - 2014-01-21 8:24 PM So here is hypothetical question.... what if I had done the prepurchase and did not take front foot films per the vet's suggestion? Everything else was fine, and 2 days later the filly was indeed in the same condition she is now?

halter_ego - 2014-01-21 2:49 PM

 Long story, I will try to make it short.
Bought a coming 2 year old, one month ago.  Specifically asked seller if horse had any type of previous injury or illness, was told only brusied soles when trimmed several months prior.  Watched horse move in round pen, sound, walking on concrete sound, could not lunge on hard ground because of snow and ice.  Discussed pre-purchase, seller stated there was only one vet she could recommend in that area, when I asked about others, she said she had bad experiences with them. Called the suggested vet, talked to her about pre-purchase, she stated she would like to do hock, stifle, and "shoulder" films for OCD.  Shoulder? Really?  Said she saw no point in doing front feet on one not yet 2.  Decided against pre-purchase because of lowish purchase price and other emergency on my part, and really trusting these folks.  Bought the filly, brought her home, next day she is off.  Her feet were horrible, so ended up trimming her, still off.  Contacted buyer, asked if she had any ideas, not really.  Wrapped feet, put front shoes on, etc, etc.  No changes.  Took her to the vet yesterday, he said she has the coffin bones of a 16 year old, severe remodeling, spurs,the beginning of side bone, and a navicular bone that is undeveloped with a huge divot in it.  Spoke to breeder/seller, asked to her to work with me as these are pre-existing conditions.  Told her I would bring the horse back, asked her to reimburse half of the purchase price, more than fair in my opinion.  She told me not to bring her back, all she could help me do is market this crippled, unbroke 2 year old.  I then told her, I will hold on to her as she attempts to resell for 2 weeks but then I would bring her back, as I am not going to feed this horse any longer.  She said, "Do not bring her back, put her down".  Do I have any ground to stand on here?  Maybe not legally, but morally? 
 

spitzh - 2014-01-22 8:08 AM Sorry you have to go through that. Selling or buying horses is a tricky situation. I bought a gelding when I first started barrel racing and it was the first time I didnt get a PPE. I brought him home and he had bone spurs. I learned my lesson. If you have to get x-rays on every inch of that horse, then do it. When I buy or sell horses, usallly there is a contract that states "sold as is" and "all sales are final." Was there a contract that states the horse's condition?

Morab76 - 2014-01-22 7:43 AM After all the "sale gone bad" threads on this forum where folks decline a PPE, you would think buyers would smarten up.  When a horse is purchased without a PPE (no matter the age), it is a risk.  Why bash the seller?  What happened to a buyer doing their homework and due diligence?  These owners could very well have been completely ignorant to the lameness issue brewing in the filly, especially if it is turned out and they do nothing with her.  Why are so many ready to slay the seller when the buyer has responsibility here as well?



I really feel for what happened to the OP, and wish only the best for you and the filly.  Maybe she can be put under saddle slowly and make a good trail or kids horse one day.  She could be a pasture pet or, please don't flame, she could be put down if there will be no riding future for her.  I certainly would not want the navicular issue passed on to another generation.  Then again, not my horse so not my decision.



I honestly believe a court would easily side with the buyer, especially since not only was a PPE declined but the buyer spoke with a vet about the exam and still declined a PPE.



Another note . . . do not just go off a buyer's suggestion for a vet to do the PPE.  Always do your homework, call around, get recommendations from others as to a vet who is best qualified to do a PPE.

halter_ego - 2014-01-21 3:49 PM  Long story, I will try to make it short.

Bought a coming 2 year old, one month ago.  Specifically asked seller if horse had any type of previous injury or illness, was told only brusied soles when trimmed several months prior.  Watched horse move in round pen, sound, walking on concrete sound, could not lunge on hard ground because of snow and ice.  Discussed pre-purchase, seller stated there was only one vet she could recommend in that area, when I asked about others, she said she had bad experiences with them. Called the suggested vet, talked to her about pre-purchase, she stated she would like to do hock, stifle, and "shoulder" films for OCD.  Shoulder? Really?  Said she saw no point in doing front feet on one not yet 2.  Decided against pre-purchase because of lowish purchase price and other emergency on my part, and really trusting these folks.  Bought the filly, brought her home, next day she is off.  Her feet were horrible, so ended up trimming her, still off.  Contacted buyer, asked if she had any ideas, not really.  Wrapped feet, put front shoes on, etc, etc.  No changes.  Took her to the vet yesterday, he said she has the coffin bones of a 16 year old, severe remodeling, spurs,the beginning of side bone, and a navicular bone that is undeveloped with a huge divot in it.  Spoke to breeder/seller, asked to her to work with me as these are pre-existing conditions.  Told her I would bring the horse back, asked her to reimburse half of the purchase price, more than fair in my opinion.  She told me not to bring her back, all she could help me do is market this crippled, unbroke 2 year old.  I then told her, I will hold on to her as she attempts to resell for 2 weeks but then I would bring her back, as I am not going to feed this horse any longer.  She said, "Do not bring her back, put her down".  Do I have any ground to stand on here?  Maybe not legally, but morally?