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| First, this is NOT a training issue, so I don't need your advise on how to do that. Lol
I have a horse that was injured in a trailer accident, the vet ok'd to run him, he ran to first, then to second and broke in 2. Fractured jaw and split tooth. I didn't own him then but that's the story.
He was turned out and I'm legging him back up with a clean bill of health. He's a dream to ride. Calm, rocking horse lope, works nice and is just overall easy to be around. At home, in pasture, in the arena, no issues in or out of alley and will work barrels all day long, fast or slow!!!
UNLESS...... There is an announcer and other horses. Then we are a blooming idiot! Lunging, side stepping, sweating like crazy and acting a fool, paying no attention to anything. He's horrible!
So I wanted to know if there is any calming supplement that you have used that may help? I'm hoping its something I can use o help him get over his "issues" bc he hasn't been ran since he was hurt. There is no way to train or practice this out of him, bc he's perfect every time except then and I don't want him to hurt me or someone else or himself.
I tried Cool as Ice by Pureform and saw no difference in anything what so ever but I've been told that many of these callers don't work. I want something he can still perform on and don't really want to Ace him, that makes me nervous and I don't want a sedated horse, lol. Make sense?
Any suggestions would be great bc I have no experience with any of those kind of supplements. TIA |
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Location: Chehalis, Washington | THE Caliming cookies maybe? Maybe start hauling him places and just haning out there with all the noise and see if he gets better over time. |
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| I'll look up THE calming cookies now, thank you!
I have been hauling him like that for awhile. Sometimes I will saddle and ride him but never run and other times he will just stand tied. No change at all either way. |
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Location: N. Texas | Oxygen has a new re-formulated Oxy-Calm
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| I highly suggest calming essentials from Formula 707. I noticed a difference in my horse within 4 days! Not sure if it will completely help with the issues but helped my horse settle down who was very nervous at barrel races but no where else. |
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| Thank you! Do you feed it daily? |
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Location: Texas | Ditto on 707 CE. Calming cookies did nothing for mine |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | bris2125 - 2014-01-22 9:42 PM Thank you! Do you feed it daily?
Yes you can, its a supplement that you add to the feed. I use it also, and sometimes I just feed a tiny bit out of my hand to them. Seems to work pretty good. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-01-23 12:02 AM bris2125 - 2014-01-22 9:42 PM Thank you! Do you feed it daily? Yes you can, its a supplement that you add to the feed. I use it also, and sometimes I just feed a tiny bit out of my hand to them. Seems to work pretty good.
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Location: Warsaw, VA | Animal Element In the Zone Paste is great for hauling or when needed.
The Detox is a daily supplement which improves focus along with other benefits..
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Location: North Dakota | I have tried the calming cookies-eh-they are ok, focus, eh that's ok too. if you research calming supplements almost all of them are magnesium based. I found animed makes vita calm, (less than $15 at TSC) it has worked on everyone I've tried it on. Sometimes give a couple days before and sometimes an hour before, the dosing is different on every horse I've tried it on, gave half a dose to my little guy to see how it would be, he was like "hey man, look at that, I'm so mellow!" have a friend with a rope horse that is a sweat bomb coming out of the trailer, very skittish, worry some horse, he started the vita calm and wow what a difference. I would also suggest for your guy some sort of "gut lining treatment" I like u gard, usually start that the night before an event with double dosing if you suspect some ulcer reaction. Good luck and be careful! |
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Location: Canada | I have a mare that I just bought in the start of the summer, and the previous owner did not tell me that she got into a trailering accident as a three year old and she was just bezerk going into and out of the trailer ( and would sweat entirely on one whole side of her neck). I had a friend recommend equine chill, and it worked right away she's completely changed by her trailer anxiety and going into the pen she just walks in. I highly recommend it. |
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Location: Idahome | I like the Keep Cool and the Equine Oil from Silver Lining. If I have one that is anxious 24/7 I use the Keep Cool as you feed it daily. I love using the oil, especially on colts that I first start hauling. They are good at home, but get a little nervous when going somewhere new. You just rub it inside their nostrils and it works like a charm, plus it is easier than feeding everyday. |
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| MagRestore by Performance Equine. I have found it to work on my super sensitive mare. |
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Location: Bigfoot Country | have him scoped for bleeding? he associates the announcer and the race with the pain he gets when running hard, it happened at the third barrel....I'm guessing he's bleeding. Might not be much, but even a little is painful. Good luck, hope you find out what it is!
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Location: OK | I wonder about his ears etc also. I wonder if there might have some kind of injury to his ears or head that is causing pain. Have you run him on something like banamine/bute etc to see if it helps? I know some people from concussion have had problems with lots of stuff like equilibrium, headache from sound or light, weird auditory/visual hallucinations, etc.
Anyway, I like reserpine and fluphenazine (sp) .... you give them once a month. Reserpine worked great on some, not on others. Neither had any side effects in my experience.
The tryptophane pastes like calmX, there is a powder form of that that is WAY cheaper that you put in their feed. I really liked that in the morning and then I might give a little more when we got where we were going. I found it at a co-op. Can't remember the brand name, but it was a blue/white tub.
I've tried chlorpromazine, and I liked it, but it scared me because my horse was like a stoner at the trailer, but when we went up the alley, she was dead on and worked great. You give that in the mouth on race day. |
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Location: OK | I will add that if you go through a bunch of these and they don't work, that happened to me too on a horse. I had been to the vet and all that, thought she was fine, and nothing worked on her. Also, it wasn't just her nature either, because in other pressure situations, she was pretty gutsy. To run barrels tho, complete idiot. I started giving her banamine every time I ran or practiced. She leveled out in a few weeks. I went back to the vet and we found some problems. So, I'll just say if it's pain related, the calmers won't work. Just something to remember in your trial/error of the calmers. |
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| I thought about that but I can make a full on run and work his rear end off any other time and he's fine. If he was bleeding, he would do it then as well. Thank you I hope so too! |
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| I haven't thought about his ears. Great suggestion. If its not just a nervous issue, I may start there. He is on an ulcer guard and really has no issues anywhere but then.
What do the reserpine and fluphenzine do?
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Location: OK | From my understanding, in very general terms, think of reserpine kinda like Ritalin does for ADD, it doesn't make them dopey, but it helps focus. I liked the other one better. You might wanna talk to a vet and get his opinions on which one he likes for what. It's a little shot in the muscle though, so easier than aceing every time. |
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Location: Abbotsford B.C. Canada | Try two tsp a day magnesium oxide or magnesium citrate routinely. Very cheap and seems to work, just put in a little grain etc and feed every day.
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| I love Oxy-Zen by Oxygen. It is expensive but totally worth it to me. I was told by the sale rep I buy from that the Oxy-calm is more for to calm their stomach so if you are sure it is not ulcer related than that might not work. The oxyzen just takes away my horses anxiety does not drug him. Also it will not test because it does not have any drugs in it. |
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| So how long does it last if you only give it before you run? It says 1/2-1 hour before event, but if your at a barrel race and you've given it an hour ago, what point is it prob not working anymore?
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Quiet-X. Not daily - since horse is fine at home. Only use day 0f competition. It's wonderful. No lasting effects like resurpine (sp?). |
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Location: Alberta | THE calming cookies are not always easily eaten by horses, keep to a top dress or shoot in the mouth product....that's my only advice due to trial & error... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | dream_chaser - 2014-02-01 8:33 AM
THE calming cookies are not always easily eaten by horses, keep to a top dress or shoot in the mouth product....that's my only advice due to trial & error...
They now have the same Calming available in a top dress due to so many horses not eating cookies. |
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Location: Alberta | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-01 8:47 AM dream_chaser - 2014-02-01 8:33 AM THE calming cookies are not always easily eaten by horses, keep to a top dress or shoot in the mouth product....that's my only advice due to trial & error... They now have the same Calming available in a top dress due to so many horses not eating cookies.
Ya I know, just didn't want someone to waste $50 like I did cause horse won't eat them....lesson learned |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | dream_chaser - 2014-02-01 9:05 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-01 8:47 AM dream_chaser - 2014-02-01 8:33 AM THE calming cookies are not always easily eaten by horses, keep to a top dress or shoot in the mouth product....that's my only advice due to trial & error... They now have the same Calming available in a top dress due to so many horses not eating cookies.
I sell them for $35.95 shipped and myself and the company are great about refunding your money. There have been several horses that just don't do cookies so the new top dress powder will be great. |
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| Where can I buy Formula 707 calming products?I live in CORSICANA ,TEXAS and there are only a TSC and ATWOODS. |
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Location: North Dakota | Running B - 2014-02-01 1:09 PM Where can I buy Formula 707 calming products?I live in CORSICANA ,TEXAS and there are only a TSC and ATWOODS.
I have bought formula 707 products online at Teskey's or on the Formula 707 website. |
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| Thanks blyellowrose,i will check those places. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | If you can't find a natural calming agent, I highly recommend chlorpromazine...1 to 1/2 cc orally 1 1/2 hour out before run...that stuff is a miracle drug...talk to your vet. Your cost will be less than $5/run. Worth every penny...good luck. |
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Location: Iowa | chlorpromazine is wonderful!! Talk to your vet. I love my horse again. |
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Calming supplements?????