HotbearLVR - 2014-01-24 8:01 AM Not my cup of tea

 

Married2Rodeo - 2014-01-24 8:09 AM This is awful. And frankly looks like some team ropers that can't afford cattle so they use the cheap horses the market is flooded with. We team/calf rope and have had to on occasion rope a horse for whatever reason. You have to be so careful roping a horse vs roping a steer or calf. This is akin to the horse tripping in Mexican rodeos. These are not cowboys.

TurnLane - 2014-01-24 8:27 AM They trip horses at the Mexican arena near our area. I have not seen it, didnt watch the video on here or whatever it is. I dont like it.  

Married2Rodeo - 2014-01-24 8:41 AM Not to steal the OP thread calf roping has rules that protect unnecessary roughness with the calves. People get fined for cracking their slack down their backs to pitch the calves Those suckers are literally worth their weight in gold and the stock contractors want them protected. They are not little 50lb baby's either. In a perfect world when you flank you roll them down your legs not body slam them like WWF. Yes when theres a ton of $$ on the line and when adrenaline gets going people can get a little to rough ( similar to a barrel race-- people get excited rip on faces and over use spurs and crops) that's why their are fines in place and you can bet your butt that the stock contractors will be on a fine if a calf is hurt or treated unfairly. And calves are not like foals. They are made of much tougher stuff. I used to feel the same way until I married a roper and I was actually around cattle a lot. ( I used to NEVER want to use a hot shot that didn't last long lol). I loved them and wanted to treat them like horses and you can't. They are to different.

aggiejudger - 2014-01-24 8:57 AM Didn't watch the video, but based on the article, this is NOT a tradition. I've seen horses roped before, but they are usually young or wild and that is the only way to catch them. There is no purpose in what these morons are doing. 

DLV - 2014-01-24 9:06 AM

This is sick... I'm not a fan either... this is NOT allowed in the US correct? Mexico needs to step up and create some animal welfare laws... surely it won't happen when people die every day from corruptness......

komet. - 2014-01-24 9:16 AM Wrong.. this is taking place in BOX ELDER COUNTY, Utah..

Jethro - 2014-01-24 9:27 AM Not my favorite event, but it is tradition, has gone on for many years and there are sanctioned events. Front footing colts like they are is a pretty common way to brand and geld them. Horse roping has recently been outlawed by the state of Oregon. Wonder what they will come after next? Like I said, not my favorite event, just sharing some information. Surprised so many are unfamiliar with it.

CE's wrapn3 - 2014-01-24 8:18 AM

 I personally wouldn't do it. .Do you believe in calf roping? They rope them by the neck, they get whip lash then pulled up by the flank and thrown to the ground but you can't rope a horse by its front legs? I'm just curious what you think?

Jethro - 2014-01-24 9:27 AM Not my favorite event, but it is tradition, has gone on for many years and there are sanctioned events. Front footing colts like they are is a pretty common way to brand and geld them. Horse roping has recently been outlawed by the state of Oregon. Wonder what they will come after next? Like I said, not my favorite event, just sharing some information. Surprised so many are unfamiliar with it.

CYA Ranch - 2014-01-24 8:05 AM


They aren't gelding them though.  Yes, when my brother gelds studs he ropes both ends and lays them down.  He doesn't jerk the crap out of them like they show in the video.  I've helped him many times.  That IS NOT what they are doing in the video.  This is a bunch of white trash playing cowboy.  

CYA Ranch - 2014-01-24 10:05 AM They aren't gelding them though.  Yes, when my brother gelds studs he ropes both ends and lays them down.  He doesn't jerk the crap out of them like they show in the video.  I've helped him many times.  That IS NOT what they are doing in the video.  This is a bunch of white trash playing cowboy.  

jetgetset - 2014-01-24 10:41 AM Its such a shame that its people like this that get the spotlight because it makes us all look bad. Thats no event that ever started with a purpose and is just a buch of want to be cowboy/ ropers that can't afford cattle.. I love his excuse of its the way I was raised. Yeah well just because your parents didn't know how to respect themselves, the sport, traditions and way of life and passed that on to you does not make it right.   

cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 10:37 AM I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window. Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well. I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping. They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour. I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules. When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered? Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated.

Karlaw - 2014-01-24 9:46 AM I refuse to watch the video! SICK! Same with cow tripping, its disgusting.

cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 10:37 AM

I have mixed feelings on this. Like it or not it is tradition. Cowboys have necked and front footed horses for, well, as long as they have been roping I would assume. I think the difference is, in the pen they use a little more common sense, as those horses are going to be using horses. In competition they get excited trying to put down the best time they can and common sense goes flying out the window.

Team roping and calf roping have been tradition. Animal Rights groups think they are cruel and unwarranted as well.

I think these events should instill unnecessary roughness rules, like if you jerk one down or choke one out you are automatically disqualified. That would help detour some of the cowboys from handling the horses like that just as it did in the calf roping and team roping.

They do appear to be young horses. I would assume this is because they are smaller, are easier on the competitor's horse to hold and handle better. I don't know what happens to them after they are too big or sour.

I did notice on the video that when the rope came tight on the front legs they stopped. They didn't jerk them down or pull their feet out from under them. So maybe there are some rules.

When we had our bucking string, I drug my fair share of horses to the catch pen. So I am wondering if horse roping laws were to fall into place, what all would be covered?

Where is the abolishment of western tradition going to stop? If we stop these events completely rather than change rules to help maintain the humane treatment of the horses we are opening the door for all of our events to be eliminated.

komet. - 2014-01-24 11:23 AM


I do not agree with this. Perhaps long ago when cowboys were dealing with wild horses they were treated in this fashion.. once... But to use it as a competition today because it use to be done that way is just sad. They had less time to spare to train horses they way we do today. Trying to justify it because you are worried about the possible consequences your own event is even sadder. The roping of cattle is still done in some parts of the country for branding if nothing else. This treatment of horses today for the same reason is unknown to me.
And when the man says he was raised this way and that's why he does it, well... perhaps if he was raised by a wife beater and pedophile that would justify keeping that tradition going too.

crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:00 PM It's called Big Loop and yes it's a tradition, google big loop rodeo



 

cyount2009 - 2014-01-24 11:42 AM I wasn't justifying it for my own event. I don't have bucking horses any more. I was simply saying I wonder what all would be covered under horse roping laws. In your part of the country it may be a practice long forgotten, or just well hidden, but I know a few ranches out west that rope young horses, lay them down for castration and to have their feet done before they are turned out until they are two. I've bought two year olds from these places. I'm not talking fancy well bred barrel or rope horse prospects that are worth gobs of money. I'm talking tough, gritty ranch raised and bred working horses that will put in a hard days work. I never once said I agreed with it. I was attempting to bringing a different prospective to the table. I don't agree with what I saw on that short clip. What I saw on the video made me sick but I only saw the parts of the video the media showed, the most shocking parts. You can take footage at any equine event, cut it and make it look like the most God-awful event on the planet, SHARK does a wonderful job at it.

barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:08 AM do they normally flip the horses like that, or have them pass out and start thrashing? 

crapshooter - 2014-01-24 12:21 PM  I don't know, I've never been to one.  But it is definitely a traditional thing that has gone on for years.  Not saying it's right. 

barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:23 AM


I was just asking. I have never seen a horse team roping deal before. 

barrelracr131 - 2014-01-24 10:23 AM I was just asking. I have never seen a horse team roping deal before. 

Jethro - 2014-01-24 12:28 PM


It's a timed event, so sometimes the rope comes tight fast and they fall. Generally they try not to. It stems from the ranch practice of roping and front footing colts to lay them down to geld and brand. Wrecks do happen in this event, but the goal is not to hurt the horses. Sensationalized videos can make any event look bad. I'm not saying I necessarily like horse roping as an event, but take what you see in that video with a grain of salt. There are people in all events who abuse animals and behave poorly, doesn't mean everyone does or that it's common practice.

CE's wrapn3 - 2014-01-24 8:18 AM  I personally wouldn't do it. .Do you believe in calf roping? They rope them by the neck, they get whip lash then pulled up by the flank and thrown to the ground but you can't rope a horse by its front legs? I'm just curious what you think?

grinandbareit - 2014-01-24 2:53 PM


REALLY??? Wow! There is ZERO justification for this. And it baffles me that anyone can attempt to justify the practice or sport of it, in any way shape or form. They should be arrested for animal cruelty. They are doing this for sport. So I suppose that people who grew up with cock fighting, dog fighting, etc… Heck, I'm sure some of our descendants owned slaves, guess that was okay too. And don't spin it to read, I'm comparing this to slavery, because I'm not. I'm saying that at some point we need to evolve as human beings and do what is right instead of what is profitable. When things are done as a necessary evil in the field, it is done for the well being of that animal… Not as a sport. There is a huge difference! These events exploit these animals, PERIOD.

It is moronic to agree to allow this to happen for the sake of "tradition".

Oh… let me add this brief video of horse tripping - it begins one minute into the video - dang sharks! THEY always make us look bad! Can't believe they could actually make this stuff public. I'd like to continue to play stupid and pretend it doesn't really happen. HMMMMM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmp8pkbU03I

kmcsunshine - 2014-01-24 5:30 PM


^^^^^^
This......don't be a hypocrite.  If it's ok to rope cattle, it should be ok to rope horses.  The goal of a good catch in tripping is to stun the steer enough so it doesn't fight.  Now why don't we see that at the NFR?????

I am neither for nor against either activity, but if you start making rules and laws, be prepared for someone to decide it's cruel to make a horse run around three barrels someday. 

komet. - 2014-01-24 7:36 PM Now you see? This is what I'm talking about. Horses are much more fragile than cattle, as we all know by how much time and money it takes to keep one healthy enough to do your particular event. I suggest people that think like you do allow your own special horses to be hotshotted in a box and turned loose to be roped in one of these events. And I'll say it once again, justifying this treatment because you're worried it might carry back to your own event is just BS. Perhaps if people like you would take a stand against SOMEFIRGGINGTHING, the animal lovers would not see you the way they do. I don't care what the goal is, we've all seen what can happen. These people claim the horses do not get hurt but they will have people with cameras arrested for filming it! What are they worried about? Animals get hurt at regular rodeos and races of different kinds and not only don't worry about them being filmed, they put it on TV. NOT these people!! They have cops standing by to haul you off to jail. There is absolutely NO just justification for treating horses in this fashion for SPORT!!

komet. - 2014-01-24 8:36 PM Now you see? This is what I'm talking about. Horses are much more fragile than cattle, as we all know by how much time and money it takes to keep one healthy enough to do your particular event. I suggest people that think like you do allow your own special horses to be hotshotted in a box and turned loose to be roped in one of these events. And I'll say it once again, justifying this treatment because you're worried it might carry back to your own event is just BS. Perhaps if people like you would take a stand against SOMEFIRGGINGTHING, the animal lovers would not see you the way they do. I don't care what the goal is, we've all seen what can happen. These people claim the horses do not get hurt but they will have people with cameras arrested for filming it! What are they worried about? Animals get hurt at regular rodeos and races of different kinds and not only don't worry about them being filmed, they put it on TV. NOT these people!! They have cops standing by to haul you off to jail. There is absolutely NO just justification for treating horses in this fashion for SPORT!!

komet. - 2014-01-24 7:36 PM Now you see? This is what I'm talking about. Horses are much more fragile than cattle, as we all know by how much time and money it takes to keep one healthy enough to do your particular event. I suggest people that think like you do allow your own special horses to be hotshotted in a box and turned loose to be roped in one of these events. And I'll say it once again, justifying this treatment because you're worried it might carry back to your own event is just BS. Perhaps if people like you would take a stand against SOMEFIRGGINGTHING, the animal lovers would not see you the way they do. I don't care what the goal is, we've all seen what can happen. These people claim the horses do not get hurt but they will have people with cameras arrested for filming it! What are they worried about? Animals get hurt at regular rodeos and races of different kinds and not only don't worry about them being filmed, they put it on TV. NOT these people!! They have cops standing by to haul you off to jail. There is absolutely NO just justification for treating horses in this fashion for SPORT!!

dhdqhllc - 2014-01-24 7:42 PM


you're the last idiot that should be telling anyone to take a stand against anything........lol 

Jethro - 2014-01-24 6:53 PM


Team roping and calf roping are sports too. They are all livestock, so by your logic, everyone that enters a rodeo should be arrested for animal cruelty.

I don't appreciate being called moronic for giving some background on a sport. I was also talking about the sanctioned events, not the guys in this video who appear to be roping weaner colts or the like.

If you don't think there are sensationalized videos out there to make rodeo look bad, then you are the one with your head in the sand.

grinandbareit - 2014-01-24 10:59 PM


I said those that accept it or justify it as tradition, are moronic. If the shoe fits, wear it. If you don't accept it, then just say so. If you think it's okay, then as far as I'm concerned, you're a moron. JMO.


mo·ron
'môr?än/
nouninformal
1.
a stupid person.
synonyms: fool, idiot, ass, blockhead, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, imbecile, cretin, dullard, simpleton, clod; More
antonyms: genius
Origin

early 20th cent. (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8–12): from Greek moron, neuter of moros ‘foolish.’

komet. - 2014-01-24 7:36 PM Now you see? This is what I'm talking about. Horses are much more fragile than cattle, as we all know by how much time and money it takes to keep one healthy enough to do your particular event. I suggest people that think like you do allow your own special horses to be hotshotted in a box and turned loose to be roped in one of these events. And I'll say it once again, justifying this treatment because you're worried it might carry back to your own event is just BS. Perhaps if people like you would take a stand against SOMEFIRGGINGTHING, the animal lovers would not see you the way they do. I don't care what the goal is, we've all seen what can happen. These people claim the horses do not get hurt but they will have people with cameras arrested for filming it! What are they worried about? Animals get hurt at regular rodeos and races of different kinds and not only don't worry about them being filmed, they put it on TV. NOT these people!! They have cops standing by to haul you off to jail. There is absolutely NO just justification for treating horses in this fashion for SPORT!!

LDH - 2014-01-25 2:08 PM I think we have to be very careful what we say about rodeo and how much stock we can place on videos that the media puts out. Any event that has to do with animals can be considered cruel depending on who watches it and what parts they see. A quick Google search of barrel racing abuse brings up this article http://www.writingofriding.com/in-the-media/do-barrel-racers-cross-... It says that its the worst sport in the horse world, the video shows horses rearing and falling. We all know that this is the bad side of our sport and that most runs don't go like this. If someone were to only see that video and know nothing else about it, they would assume barrel racing is an abusive sport. Same with calf roping. If you had no knowledge of the rules put into place, and just saw one of those shark videos about the abuse, you would assume that calf roping is terrible and abusive to the animals. As lots of people have admitted, they've never heard of this. So they don't know if this happened every run, or if just like barrel racing, the ones that were shown on the video were Exceptions not rules. Personally I did not like watching that video. I thought it was terrible, especially the parts where they are cutting off the air supply. But I can't say its any worse than watching something go wrong with a roper or a steer wrestler or a bucking horse or a barrel horse that falls and gets hurt. Its all hard to watch. I don't condone this by any means, but I think we have to be careful on what we believe and how quick we are to make judgments. Our sport can be made to look and sound ridiculously abusive to the horses too if people don't understand. If we don't want people out there judging what we do without doing adequate research and really understanding it, we also shouldn't do it to others, until we really know what we are talking about and understand it more. If we don't want others to do it to us, we can't do it to them.

Betty12 - 2014-01-25 8:18 PM http://www.biglooprodeo.com//

Here is the website for the Jordon Valley Big Loop  

dhdqhllc - 2014-01-25 8:03 PM i don't think that some of the posters on this thread are gonna change some of their overly western heritage knowledged comments  .......but i'm glad this was added.....



and i'm not referring to the debate about whether this is cruel or not nor whether it should be continued......only to those that seem to know so much about real western heritage....

kmcsunshine - 2014-01-24 5:30 PM ^^^^^^

This......don't be a hypocrite.  If it's ok to rope cattle, it should be ok to rope horses.  The goal of a good catch in tripping is to stun the steer enough so it doesn't fight.  Now why don't we see that at the NFR?????



I am neither for nor against either activity, but if you start making rules and laws, be prepared for someone to decide it's cruel to make a horse run around three barrels someday.