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Location: Four Corners Colorado | So I am about to jump head first into the AQHA racing world. I want to get my colt a S.I. and hopefully R.O.M. I need a trainer who understands that the horse comes first and keeping him sound is a top priority. Do you guys have any trainers you would recomend or p.m. me ones to stay away from. I am in the Four Corners area and all the major cities in New Mexico, Utah, Arizona and Colorado are all the same drive time.
And what should I be doing with him before I send him off?
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 BHW's Lance Armstrong 
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | What is the horses breeding and how old? It should have been in training since September or it is behind.
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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | contact total peformance on bhw. She is in OK but can probably give you some advice on who to and not to use. If she says you can trust someone, you can take that to the bank. |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | He's the colt I posted about a week or so ago.
May 2012 Colt www.allbreedpedigree.com/sixy+n+I+know+it
and I plan on sending my 2013 colt when he is old enough. |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Herbie - 2014-01-27 8:33 PM contact total peformance on bhw. She is in OK but can probably give you some advice on who to and not to use. If she says you can trust someone, you can take that to the bank.
Thank you ! I'll do that. |
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Location: TX | I sent you a pm |
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Location: Texas | PM Barnmom on here. They train in La, but should know someone to refer you to in your area. |
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 Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Where do you want the horse to run, ie..which state? And what you can afford to pay. |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I am open to where I run him. I can pay what I need to pay but of course the more reasonable the better. The horse comes first. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Oh well heck....I thought you were wanting to run in NM or that direction. I can vouch for the fact that Total Performance will do a great job for you, and can guarantee that your horse's best interest will be the #1 priority. She did a great job for me and my horse came home ready to go on with. You will not end up with a blithering idiot track horse if you use her, you'll get a nice minded, respectful, broker than normal horse off the track. Good luck with your colt.....ain't nothing like watching something you own run down the race track! |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Herbie - 2014-01-28 7:53 AM Oh well heck....I thought you were wanting to run in NM or that direction. I can vouch for the fact that Total Performance will do a great job for you, and can guarantee that your horse's best interest will be the #1 priority. She did a great job for me and my horse came home ready to go on with. You will not end up with a blithering idiot track horse if you use her, you'll get a nice minded, respectful, broker than normal horse off the track. Good luck with your colt.....ain't nothing like watching something you own run down the race track!
Oh In the future I'm thinking of getting some acerage in NM and running NM bred. But that will be a few years. I'm only 20 miles from the NM border. But Yeah for the time being I am fine sending him out of state. |
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Location: Wyoming | Sending you a message |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Thank you guys for the advice and P.M.'s
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Is this a two year old or a yearling you are looking at putting in training later this year? |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | He is a May 2012 colt. |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-01-28 8:53 AM Oh well heck....I thought you were wanting to run in NM or that direction. I can vouch for the fact that Total Performance will do a great job for you, and can guarantee that your horse's best interest will be the #1 priority. She did a great job for me and my horse came home ready to go on with. You will not end up with a blithering idiot track horse if you use her, you'll get a nice minded, respectful, broker than normal horse off the track. Good luck with your colt.....ain't nothing like watching something you own run down the race track!
Aww, thanks! We enjoyed him so much! |
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Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Then I would for sure be looking at sending him to a small barn that can work with him on his own time schedule. The bigger barns will probably not take an unbroke two year old this time of year and if they do, they won't do him justice.
I would be doing groundwork with him, he needs to be able to stand tied quietly and go on the walker if you have one. I would also drive him and pony him in the round pen. If you have someone who can get on him a few times in the round pen, that would be great, nothing fast just quietly walking and trotting around. If you can do all that yourself it will save you 30 days of paying a trainer and this way you know the foundation is there for a quiet, confident horse in the future.
I would be cautious sending your horse somewhere that is too far for you be able to drop in on every once in a while. Trust but verify when it comes to any trainer, if they are at the track it should never be an issue to drop in for a visit anytime.
It never hurts to go by and watch your horse being prepped to go up and run on race night. I wouldn't take a bunch of people back there or be loud, but to quietly observe or even offer to help some should not be a problem. We have had two owners do this in 15 years, one was a vet the other was a federal prosecutor, I think they were just making sure we weren't hopping thier horse. Most "hops" are given within two hours of leading the horse up to run.
Also, look at the trainers horses feet very carefully. You can not out train crappy shoeing without over injecting and having to block thier legs to race. That is the quickest way to ruin a nice horse and it can easily be prevented by proper foot care. Another problem with injecting so much is all the cortisone lowers the immune system and they are more prone to getting sick or developing EPM.
Check your horse for thrush when you see him. I would have never believed it would be such a problem at the track but hubby shoes a few other barns now and is amazed at how bad the thrush is in barns where owners are paying $40-45 a day.
I would check with the racing commission of any state your prospective trainer has trained in. Any fines or suspensions are public record and usually what they actually get caught for is just the tip of the iceburg. They can also get suspended for not paying thier bills.
One trainer that qualified for the AA last year served a suspension for running up a $60,000 tab and not paying, not sure why owners want to send horses to someone like that but many do. That same trainer had horses here at Evangeline for 10 days with no shavings at all because no one would sell to him due to being bad pay. Not someone I want to be taking care of my horses but to each thier own, just do your homework.
Anyways, sorry for the book, there are really good trainers out there and they are totally worth the effort to find. It makes me happy to see there are still owners out there who appreciate honesty and someone who wants to do right by thier horse. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Barnmom - 2014-01-28 10:24 AM Then I would for sure be looking at sending him to a small barn that can work with him on his own time schedule. The bigger barns will probably not take an unbroke two year old this time of year and if they do, they won't do him justice.
I would be doing groundwork with him, he needs to be able to stand tied quietly and go on the walker if you have one. I would also drive him and pony him in the round pen. If you have someone who can get on him a few times in the round pen, that would be great, nothing fast just quietly walking and trotting around. If you can do all that yourself it will save you 30 days of paying a trainer and this way you know the foundation is there for a quiet, confident horse in the future.
I would be cautious sending your horse somewhere that is too far for you be able to drop in on every once in a while. Trust but verify when it comes to any trainer, if they are at the track it should never be an issue to drop in for a visit anytime.
It never hurts to go by and watch your horse being prepped to go up and run on race night. I wouldn't take a bunch of people back there or be loud, but to quietly observe or even offer to help some should not be a problem. We have had two owners do this in 15 years, one was a vet the other was a federal prosecutor, I think they were just making sure we weren't hopping thier horse. Most "hops" are given within two hours of leading the horse up to run.
Also, look at the trainers horses feet very carefully. You can not out train crappy shoeing without over injecting and having to block thier legs to race. That is the quickest way to ruin a nice horse and it can easily be prevented by proper foot care. Another problem with injecting so much is all the cortisone lowers the immune system and they are more prone to getting sick or developing EPM.
Check your horse for thrush when you see him. I would have never believed it would be such a problem at the track but hubby shoes a few other barns now and is amazed at how bad the thrush is in barns where owners are paying $40-45 a day.
I would check with the racing commission of any state your prospective trainer has trained in. Any fines or suspensions are public record and usually what they actually get caught for is just the tip of the iceburg. They can also get suspended for not paying thier bills.
One trainer that qualified for the AA last year served a suspension for running up a $60,000 tab and not paying, not sure why owners want to send horses to someone like that but many do. That same trainer had horses here at Evangeline for 10 days with no shavings at all because no one would sell to him due to being bad pay. Not someone I want to be taking care of my horses but to each thier own, just do your homework.
Anyways, sorry for the book, there are really good trainers out there and they are totally worth the effort to find. It makes me happy to see there are still owners out there who appreciate honesty and someone who wants to do right by thier horse.
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Location: Here | Herbie - 2014-01-28 8:53 AM Oh well heck....I thought you were wanting to run in NM or that direction. I can vouch for the fact that Total Performance will do a great job for you, and can guarantee that your horse's best interest will be the #1 priority. She did a great job for me and my horse came home ready to go on with. You will not end up with a blithering idiot track horse if you use her, you'll get a nice minded, respectful, broker than normal horse off the track. Good luck with your colt.....ain't nothing like watching something you own run down the race track!
That's great news |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | Thank you guys so much! I'm feeling a little less lost. |
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| If all you are interested in is a ROM and high speed index find a trainer who runs at tracks known for high SIs. All tracks are not the same. I ran at a track in Texas not known for high SIs. I did very well financially, but a SI in the 80's was as fast as horse did. Sent horse to a different track and she ran way back in the field, but received a 106 SI. |
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Swiffer PIcker Upper
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | BMW - 2014-01-28 4:55 PM If all you are interested in is a ROM and high speed index find a trainer who runs at tracks known for high SIs. All tracks are not the same. I ran at a track in Texas not known for high SIs. I did very well financially, but a SI in the 80's was as fast as horse did. Sent horse to a different track and she ran way back in the field, but received a 106 SI.
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| equussynergy - 2014-01-29 12:46 PM
BMW - 2014-01-28 4:55 PM If all you are interested in is a ROM and high speed index find a trainer who runs at tracks known for high SIs. All tracks are not the same. I ran at a track in Texas not known for high SIs. I did very well financially, but a SI in the 80's was as fast as horse did. Sent horse to a different track and she ran way back in the field, but received a 106 SI.
Which tracks would those be?
Remington Park in Oklahoma is the one I'm most familiar with. I don't have race horses anymore, so can't help with any other tracks. |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | BMW - 2014-01-29 1:13 PM equussynergy - 2014-01-29 12:46 PM BMW - 2014-01-28 4:55 PM If all you are interested in is a ROM and high speed index find a trainer who runs at tracks known for high SIs. All tracks are not the same. I ran at a track in Texas not known for high SIs. I did very well financially, but a SI in the 80's was as fast as horse did. Sent horse to a different track and she ran way back in the field, but received a 106 SI. Which tracks would those be? Remington Park in Oklahoma is the one I'm most familiar with. I don't have race horses anymore, so can't help with any other tracks.
Will Rogers Downs is also know for some high SI |
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Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | The track in Hobbs used to be known for crazy speed indexes when it first opened, not sure about now. We have run a 106 in LAD and not even won the race, hard track and a tail wind. We also broke the track record at Gillespie with a 115, and that record has since been broken at least once so I would say that track is one to run a high SI. |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Barnmom - 2014-01-29 1:55 PM The track in Hobbs used to be known for crazy speed indexes when it first opened, not sure about now. We have run a 106 in LAD and not even won the race, hard track and a tail wind. We also broke the track record at Gillespie with a 115, and that record has since been broken at least once so I would say that track is one to run a high SI.
My husband and I laugh all the time about Gillespie....."Where every horse is AAA or better"! LOL |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2014-01-29 3:11 PM Barnmom - 2014-01-29 1:55 PM The track in Hobbs used to be known for crazy speed indexes when it first opened, not sure about now. We have run a 106 in LAD and not even won the race, hard track and a tail wind. We also broke the track record at Gillespie with a 115, and that record has since been broken at least once so I would say that track is one to run a high SI. My husband and I laugh all the time about Gillespie....."Where every horse is AAA or better"! LOL
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Being a May baby and hasn't had the foundation since last fall I would skip the 2 Y O year. It is far behind and the trainers almost already have their favorites and may have started speed works. But maybe your horse is a super star. Just weigh it out in your mind and the $$$ and talk to a race horse trainer. You don't want your horse pushed to soon and hurt. |
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Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | total performance - 2014-01-29 3:22 PM Herbie - 2014-01-29 3:11 PM Barnmom - 2014-01-29 1:55 PM The track in Hobbs used to be known for crazy speed indexes when it first opened, not sure about now. We have run a 106 in LAD and not even won the race, hard track and a tail wind. We also broke the track record at Gillespie with a 115, and that record has since been broken at least once so I would say that track is one to run a high SI. My husband and I laugh all the time about Gillespie....."Where every horse is AAA or better"! LOL
I know, it's crazy the SIs they run there. You have to run a 100+ sometimes to win a claimer with a $1500 purse. |
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Namesless in BHW
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Barnmom - 2014-01-29 8:22 PM total performance - 2014-01-29 3:22 PM Herbie - 2014-01-29 3:11 PM Barnmom - 2014-01-29 1:55 PM The track in Hobbs used to be known for crazy speed indexes when it first opened, not sure about now. We have run a 106 in LAD and not even won the race, hard track and a tail wind. We also broke the track record at Gillespie with a 115, and that record has since been broken at least once so I would say that track is one to run a high SI. My husband and I laugh all the time about Gillespie....."Where every horse is AAA or better"! LOL
That's just nuts! |
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