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  That's White "Man" to You
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| Tell me what you think about this girl. I just dont know very much about cowbreds, especially as a broodmare. Do you find cowbred crosses as easy to sell? I would breed her to race bred studs if I get her. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ms+peppy+s+jewel |
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Location: Mississippi | I like her a bunch, she should cross very well with a running bread stud |
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| She should be a wicked broodie that would bring lots of athleticism, ability and grit to her babies! I would stand in line to have babies with that bottom side crossed under some speed! But that's just my opinion!
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Location: Somewhere around here | I think they are easy to sell if they are in the right location. That mare could sell pretty good where I live but people here still ranch with horses and brand their cattle. I personally really like her bloodlines, especially since her sire was a successful cutting horse, but agree with breeding her to a race stud. You'd probably get some fast and quick turners out of her. |
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Location: lexington KY | My kind of pedigree! Love PSB and Doc Olena. |
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Location: Washington | You could not go wrong with this mare. Her lines are older then the highly sought after up and coming line but she could cross on ANYTHING. Her lines are what made the now day greats! |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| She had this foal a couple of years ago and is bred the same right now. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jewels+magic+shine Do you think this foal should sell okay? |
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Location: Washington | Advertised to the right audience, yes the baby will sell. Might not bring thousands. I can find the sire was shown but dont see any show records and none of his foals have done anything yet. I also see he's now deseased???
Edited to add: Wouldn't bring thousands as a weaner. Once started under saddle and doing something, I would think it would bring a decent price tag
Edited by Lopin' Leopard 2014-01-28 10:29 AM
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| I love her papers! Peppy San Badger horses are extremely athletic, can be a little hard headed but is one of those "horse of a lifetime" types of horses. I've had a Peppy San Badger, and I've had a Doc O'Lena bred horse that both made outstanding barrel horses! They are catty and have the heart and want to. This bred to a nice running bred stud would make an AWESOME barrel prospect! This mare bred to a nice cowbred stud would make an AWESOME cutting, reining, or roping prospect! Win win either way with this one :) Good Luck!! |
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Location: NW. Florida | I bet the colt would make a heck of a heal horse. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | In all honestly, she is pretty top of the line. If I was into cowbreds, I would be all over her. She would be such a neat cross on so many running breds if that were your thing. |
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| So here is the kicker... she may be a herda carrier as her sire lenas jewel bars was a known carrier. She hasn't been tested yet, which I would do. But if she were a carrier would that be a deal breaker for you? |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | Seriously!!! and own daughter of Lenas Jewel Bars that is only 11???
Im not sure you actually know what you have...
Do a little research on Lenas Jewel Bars daughters and what they are actually worth as broodmares. I saw one bring 55k a year or so ago at a dispersal. He has a show and produce record a mile long and his daughters are sought after.
Please dont waste time on a barrel breeding on this mare. She is cutting royalty and if you are in business to make money, you sure have a good start. Bred to the right stud, she is a goldmine.
There are very few left, his last offspring were I think in the 2003 and 2004 range.
If it were me, I would breed her to something like Smooth As A Cat or Highbrow Cat himself and put her in a NCHA sale.
I would take her off your hands in a heartbeat!!!
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Lenas Jewel Bars
1820499; 1981; Sorrel; Height: 14.3; (Doc O'Lena x Freckles Royal);
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Location: Kansas | I LOVE!!!!!
Excellent cross of well known stallions that were very versatile in and out of the arena. That colt, crossed on the right stallion....could go in any direction you want! |
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| Heres my vote: Dont buy her... where is she located, because I want to buy her instead! LOVE LOVE LOVE those bloodlines! So old and hard to find... thats a diamond in the rough for sure! |
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Location: SE KS | Tys-ol-lady - 2014-01-28 12:03 PM
Heres my vote: Dont buy her... where is she located, because I want to buy her instead! LOVE LOVE LOVE those bloodlines! So old and hard to find... thats a diamond in the rough for sure!
No no no, I wanna know where she is. Would buy this kinda breeding even if she was 20!!!! LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Yes it would be a deal breaker. If I understand they only need 1/2 the gene to have issues. |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 12:04 PM
Yes it would be a deal breaker. If I understand they only need 1/2 the gene to have issues.
Ditto...deal breaker for me as well. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:04 PM Yes it would be a deal breaker. If I understand they only need 1/2 the gene to have issues. This is from UC Davis- I think it says that they must have two copies of the gene to have the issue. I have told the sellers I will take her, but I need to do more homework on the HERDA thing.
HERDA Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) is a genetic skin disease predominantly found in the American Quarter Horse. Within the breed, the disease is prevalent in particular lines of cutting horses. HERDA is characterized by hyperextensible skin, scarring, and severe lesions along the back of affected horses. Affected foals rarely show symptoms at birth. The condition typically occurs by the age of two, most notably when the horse is first being broke to saddle. There is no cure, and the majority of diagnosed horses are euthanized because they are unable to be ridden and are inappropriate for future breeding. HERDA has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance and affects stallions and mares in equal proportions. Research carried out in Dr. Danika Bannasch's laboratory at the University of California, Davis, has identified the gene and mutation associated with HERDA. The diagnostic DNA test for HERDA that has been developed allows identification of horses that are affected or that carry the specific mutation. Other skin conditions can mimic the symptoms of HERDA. The DNA test will assist veterinarians to make the correct diagnosis. For horse breeders, identification of carriers is critical for the selection of mating pairs. Breedings of carrier horses have a 25% chance of producing an affected foal. Breedings between normal and carrier horses will not produce a HERDA foal although 50% of the foals are expected to be carriers.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | My husband cuts and I have seen quite a few horses with herda. I say no. Love the lines, but not worth the chance to me. |
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| Not to steal the thread but what would you guys think of the Doc's Hickory bloodline? I am looking at a 4 year old mare out of a son of Doc's Hickory. Know of many successful barrel horses with this line? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:38 PM well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things.
I'm going to get her tested before I breed her. I hate it also when people breed with known defects, even just soundness issues. Drives me nuts. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I really like her as a broodmare prospect. She'd make great cowbred or racebred cross babies. Lots of older but really awesome lines up close. Just check on the HERDA thing.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Whiteboy - 2014-01-28 1:17 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:04 PM Yes it would be a deal breaker. If I understand they only need 1/2 the gene to have issues. This is from UC Davis- I think it says that they must have two copies of the gene to have the issue. I have told the sellers I will take her, but I need to do more homework on the HERDA thing.
HERDA
Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) is a genetic skin disease predominantly found in the American Quarter Horse. Within the breed, the disease is prevalent in particular lines of cutting horses. HERDA is characterized by hyperextensible skin, scarring, and severe lesions along the back of affected horses. Affected foals rarely show symptoms at birth. The condition typically occurs by the age of two, most notably when the horse is first being broke to saddle. There is no cure, and the majority of diagnosed horses are euthanized because they are unable to be ridden and are inappropriate for future breeding. HERDA has an autosomal recessive mode of inheritance and affects stallions and mares in equal proportions. Research carried out in Dr. Danika Bannasch's laboratory at the University of California, Davis, has identified the gene and mutation associated with HERDA.
The diagnostic DNA test for HERDA that has been developed allows identification of horses that are affected or that carry the specific mutation. Other skin conditions can mimic the symptoms of HERDA. The DNA test will assist veterinarians to make the correct diagnosis. For horse breeders, identification of carriers is critical for the selection of mating pairs. Breedings of carrier horses have a 25% chance of producing an affected foal. Breedings between normal and carrier horses will not produce a HERDA foal although 50% of the foals are expected to be carriers.
This is correct. You have to have 2 copies of the gene and race horse stallions do not carry the HERDA gene so you will NOT get a HERDA foal. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | I like this pedigree alot! We also have a Doc O Lena grandaughter and get some super nice foals every year from her. Cow on Cow, or Cow on Speed you should get a nice baby :)
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Location: Bastrop, TX | We have had 3 of the 4 babies out of this mare and she is not a carrier nor were her babies. Best baby I've ever owned is out of her and he's coming 2 yr old crossed on a race bred stud. This is my colts pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/buggintheflitouttame
I LOVE your mare and and if worried, have her tested just to be on the safe side. You have an awesome opportunity with your mare, both in the cutting world and the barrel horse world.
I spoke to Davis about Pep and her breeding and the way it was explained to me was like this:
You have to have (Say Poco Bueno) on the top side and the bottom side in the same exact line of the pedigree. Say like grandsire on top and grandsire on bottom, same line. And that could give you a 50% chance of a foal being a carrier or have the disease. My mare has alot of Poco Bueno top and bottom and we've always just bred her to something with none or so far back it would not matter. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Whiteboy - 2014-01-28 12:41 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:38 PM well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things. I'm going to get her tested before I breed her. I hate it also when people breed with known defects, even just soundness issues. Drives me nuts.
Me too. Every time you post I like you even more |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 4:42 PM Whiteboy - 2014-01-28 12:41 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2014-01-28 1:38 PM well then if that is true, she still may be a good thing. I just hate continuing breeding horses with KNOWN defects. I know if you are smart and watch what you cross her on, the foal won't have an issue. But just one of those things. I'm going to get her tested before I breed her. I hate it also when people breed with known defects, even just soundness issues. Drives me nuts.
I better quit while I'm ahead then! |
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Location: where the wind blows | If you don't want her send her my way. I'd have her booked into 99 Goldmine tomorrow. I love that pedigree. |
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| Thats my kinda breeding!!! I love my cowhorses! especially Doc o lena and peppy san badger are my fav!! every horse in my pen have these bloodlines. talk about snappy turns and grit! Iv got an up and coming filly by okie dokie dale and mr jess perry on a peppy san badger mare that im more than excited about!
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