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Winter hits the deep south
komet.
Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 4:12 PM
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Has anybody heard from Jennifer today? I know she has been under an ice storm for the last 10-12 hours.. It will be here soon.. I have to laugh at the people here... New Orleans is under a state of emergency because they might get 1/2 an inch of snow/sleet... I'm 40 miles south of there and they are shutting this town DOWN at 5PM under threat of frozen bridges.. I come from up north where we sometimes have frost thicker than 1/2 an inch.... See ya tomorrow!!
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Posted 2014-01-28 4:18 PM
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 Well...she updated her status about wanting to jump into her coffee pot......so either she has finally gone crazy....or it's cold down there
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Reg. Apr 2011
Posted 2014-01-28 4:19 PM
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And I'm going to assume it's probably both
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Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 4:24 PM
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She is still alive and kicking....she poked fun at me on my posting on FB about 25 minutes ago.......
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Posted 2014-01-28 4:27 PM
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komet. - 2014-01-28 4:12 PM

Has anybody heard from Jennifer today? I know she has been under an ice storm for the last 10-12 hours.. It will be here soon.. I have to laugh at the people here... New Orleans is under a state of emergency because they might get 1/2 an inch of snow/sleet... I'm 40 miles south of there and they are shutting this town DOWN at 5PM under threat of frozen bridges.. I come from up north where we sometimes have frost thicker than 1/2 an inch.... See ya tomorrow!!

I'm near Beaumont and they've pretty much shut every road down that has an overpass....unreal....and on top of that, I work downtown in a high rise building and they made us take off work today because of the roads.....I've lived in Portland Oregon and Montana and the guys on the Weather Channel act like we are having a blizzard.....A little sleet and a very few snow flurries......it's hilarious.
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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-01-28 4:33 PM
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hoofs_in_motion - 2014-01-28 4:18 PM  Well...she updated her status about wanting to jump into her coffee pot......so either she has finally gone crazy....or it's cold down there

 That was freakin funny. Our high here was 25 and it's windy, so I'm tempted to try that myself. No snow...too far north. Boo!
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Reg. Feb 2013
Posted 2014-01-28 4:43 PM
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Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-28 4:33 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2014-01-28 4:18 PM  Well...she updated her status about wanting to jump into her coffee pot......so either she has finally gone crazy....or it's cold down there
 That was freakin funny. Our high here was 25 and it's windy, so I'm tempted to try that myself. No snow...too far north. Boo!

That sounds amazing right now! Our real temp high yesterday was -7 and today it was -5....was somewhere around -20 overnight (Northern Wisconsin). Also have mountains of snow everywhere! Can ship some to you if you want lol!
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 4:52 PM
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NJJ - 2014-01-28 4:24 PM She is still alive and kicking....she poked fun at me on my posting on FB about 25 minutes ago.......

That doesn't sound like the Jennifer we all know and love.  
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 4:54 PM
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TheMidasTouch - 2014-01-28 4:43 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-28 4:33 PM
hoofs_in_motion - 2014-01-28 4:18 PM  Well...she updated her status about wanting to jump into her coffee pot......so either she has finally gone crazy....or it's cold down there
 That was freakin funny. Our high here was 25 and it's windy, so I'm tempted to try that myself. No snow...too far north. Boo!
That sounds amazing right now! Our real temp high yesterday was -7 and today it was -5....was somewhere around -20 overnight (Northern Wisconsin). Also have mountains of snow everywhere! Can ship some to you if you want lol!


Amazing to me too.  It finally got a little above 0 today.  Tomorrow is supposed to be 28 and then the next 10 days low teens.  
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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 4:58 PM
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CYA Ranch - 2014-01-28 4:52 PM
NJJ - 2014-01-28 4:24 PM She is still alive and kicking....she poked fun at me on my posting on FB about 25 minutes ago.......
That doesn't sound like the Jennifer we all know and love.  

It was her evil twin....  
                                             
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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-01-28 4:59 PM
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 Well we're not used to that crap around here! 
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 5:10 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-01-28 4:58 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-01-28 4:52 PM
NJJ - 2014-01-28 4:24 PM She is still alive and kicking....she poked fun at me on my posting on FB about 25 minutes ago.......
That doesn't sound like the Jennifer we all know and love.  
It was her evil twin....  

                                             

Oh dear Lord can you imagine 2 of her?????
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winning edge
Reg. May 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 5:20 PM
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 I had an appointment at 10 am today to drop off paperwork and do whatever people do when hired on at Home Depot. There was the "lightest" dusting of snow on the ground. So light it all blew off of my truck in the 10 minutes it took for me to drive to the store. And it was for naught... the HR person didn't come to work today. Granted she lives a hour away down I20 in Louisiana, but yeah... didn't come to work. Also failed to let anyone know she had an appointment scheduled with me or answer her cell phone when they tried to reach her to find out what they were supposed to do with me.

The LA/MS 2014 Snowmageddon is one for the record books. 

PS School was closed today here in Vicksburg. I have a feeling they'll find a reason to close it tomorrow too due to windchill. LOL

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Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 6:12 PM
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CYA Ranch - 2014-01-28 5:10 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2014-01-28 4:58 PM
CYA Ranch - 2014-01-28 4:52 PM
NJJ - 2014-01-28 4:24 PM She is still alive and kicking....she poked fun at me on my posting on FB about 25 minutes ago.......
That doesn't sound like the Jennifer we all know and love.  
It was her evil twin....  

                                             
Oh dear Lord can you imagine 2 of her?????

Have you two been drinking? We couldn't take two of her.....
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mreklaw
Reg. May 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 6:13 PM
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For all you northerners laughing at us pitiful cold southerners please remember the normal temp here is in the 60's. It was 70 on Sunday ! Supposed to be back in the 70's by Friday ! It's a hard adjustment to make!
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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 6:17 PM
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75 here  yesterday and today its rainy and  suppossedly snowing in the pandhandle of Florida.. I jus drove to Central Florida.. it was 84 there and sunshine.. Drove northeast and it dropped 35 degrees  .. 100 miles away.. its fixing to hit here tomorrow and yes bridges will be closed due to ice. we arnet equipped to handle these things ..

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runningk
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2014-01-28 6:27 PM
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We aren't equipped here either.  65 degrees on Monday.  Ice coming down now.  Slick and frozen. Yuck.  Pretty sure
I won't have to work on Wednesday, but I'd rather work than deal with ice; supposed to have snow on top at some point.
Yah! us.  Not! 
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Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 6:38 PM
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Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2014-01-28 6:47 PM
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 I'm in s.w. Oklahoma. It was 70 Sunday and 30 degrees Monday with a wind blowing 45 miles an hour.  I'm a wimp and admit it. 
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Reg. Jul 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 6:57 PM
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I've said it before and ill say it again, you folks that live up North are so tough when it comes to the cold!! BRRR! I'd much rather be sweating my booty off in 110 degree weather than freezing in the teens!!  
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Reg. Nov 2009
Posted 2014-01-28 8:25 PM
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Bhahhah southern pansies hahhaa -21 here with wind chill, the top of my drive way looks like a floating ice cube with a wind tunnel, plow the drive 3 times a day. Today we came around the corner and my SO say's READY? slip the seat belt on said OK, he floored the gas petal stuck it in 4x4 and let her rip while I watched for cars That wide a$$ truck crushed right through that ice berg. YAY!!! life is an adventure!!
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-01-28 8:36 PM
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 I'm so tired of winter. I'm glad the south is getting it. We northerners just want to share the wealth. At least you will be back to warmth in a day or two. We still have a couple of months if this crap to tend with. Quit whining, go play in your dusting of snow and invite your cold northern friends for a visit!!
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Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2014-01-28 9:02 PM
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Nateracer - 2014-01-28 8:36 PM

 I'm so tired of winter. I'm glad the south is getting it. We northerners just want to share the wealth. At least you will be back to warmth in a day or two. We still have a couple of months if this crap to tend with. Quit whining, go play in your dusting of snow and invite your cold northern friends for a visit!!

No kidding! -35 (no windchill) today, so nasty. I'd take 0 degrees anyday now.
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Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2014-01-28 9:37 PM
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winning edge - 2014-01-28 3:20 PM  I had an appointment at 10 am today to drop off paperwork and do whatever people do when hired on at Home Depot. There was the "lightest" dusting of snow on the ground. So light it all blew off of my truck in the 10 minutes it took for me to drive to the store. And it was for naught... the HR person didn't come to work today. Granted she lives a hour away down I20 in Louisiana, but yeah... didn't come to work. Also failed to let anyone know she had an appointment scheduled with me or answer her cell phone when they tried to reach her to find out what they were supposed to do with me.



The LA/MS 2014 Snowmageddon is one for the record books. 



PS School was closed today here in Vicksburg. I have a feeling they'll find a reason to close it tomorrow too due to windchill. LOL




ok, I'll admit I got kind of a kick out of this much snow in this picture shutting everying down 






 
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runningk
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2014-01-29 7:25 AM
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It's true.  As my northern kin say:  a dusting.  It shuts everything down. Now when we get ice, plus 4 - 7" of snow?  We are dead in the water til it thaws out.  Which won't be until Friday at this point.  Yes, I'm a wimp. 
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Reg. Apr 2010
Posted 2014-01-29 7:53 AM
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I live in south louisiana and pretty much
It Is shut down, last time we seen significant
Amounts of anything such as ice or snow was
In early 1980's. We don't have equipment
Or supplies to keep the roads safe during freezing times.

I personally rather be off these roads and safe
In my house than have to drive in it and put myself and others
In danger who might be trying to assist those in need. And besides I don't want to be on the roads with some of those crazy fools!!

We have had a lot of power outages,
Store shelves are nearly empty due to supply trucks not able to
Get to us. Looks like the pandemonium we see before a hurricane! Lol
People freakin out down here for only two days of ice!! Lmao!!

I'm Planning on going sledding later today! At a Little hill close to my house. Something I haven't done since I was 4:) I don't like it but I'll enjoy it while it's here!:)
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BamaCanChaser
Reg. Nov 2012
Posted 2014-01-29 8:21 AM
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Pretty much the entire state of Alabama is shut down. We were out in shorts and t-shirts just Monday!! Now all schools are closed, lots of roads, nearly all the businesses. Some parts of the state have gotten snow flurries, but we haven't seen any yet, just ice.

All the milk and bread in grocery stores are sold out, people filling up all their extra gas tanks at the gas stations, it's like they're preparing for a hurricane!

On a serious note though, while this may all seem so silly to those who see tons of snow and ice everyday, there have been several wrecks reported that I know of, one resulting in two deaths. The deep south just doesn't know how to handle winter conditions.
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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-01-29 8:29 AM
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 We're dry here (I WANT SNOW so we can go sled on the levee!), but it was 6 icy degrees this morning.  Sooooo over winter.  It has literally been decades since it has been this cold.  One of my barn kittens fell through some ice, I think, and almost froze to death yesterday.  Luckily, I found him when I fed because his hair was frozen stiff, and he got to spend the night in the garage on a heated bed.  Little fart was fine this morning, thankfully.
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Reg. Feb 2009
Posted 2014-01-29 8:34 AM
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Middle Ga here ... its not the cold or the snow - its the ice. We recieved a solid layer of ice and our roads are not safe. 
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Reg. Aug 2006
Posted 2014-01-29 8:40 AM
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Yall just keep poking fun of us -- we're storing it all up for when you're whining because it's 85 degress & 20% humidity......

PS:  I know it's all in fun.... 
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-01-29 8:59 AM
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1 hr south of atl,ga  18 degrees  3 " snow atlanta is a mess  someone said they were ready had the snow truck sand truck ready  i guess they forgot to tell them to go to work

kids spent night in school home depot stayed open let people spend the night  this was a joke but not for the people stuck 
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-01-29 9:05 AM
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BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 8:21 AM Pretty much the entire state of Alabama is shut down. We were out in shorts and t-shirts just Monday!! Now all schools are closed, lots of roads, nearly all the businesses. Some parts of the state have gotten snow flurries, but we haven't seen any yet, just ice. All the milk and bread in grocery stores are sold out, people filling up all their extra gas tanks at the gas stations, it's like they're preparing for a hurricane! On a serious note though, while this may all seem so silly to those who see tons of snow and ice everyday, there have been several wrecks reported that I know of, one resulting in two deaths. The deep south just doesn't know how to handle winter conditions.

A lot of those accidents would be prevented if you guys would slow down.  You don't know how to drive it in and think its ok to drive like you do any other day.  
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CYA Ranch - 2014-01-29 9:05 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 8:21 AM Pretty much the entire state of Alabama is shut down. We were out in shorts and t-shirts just Monday!! Now all schools are closed, lots of roads, nearly all the businesses. Some parts of the state have gotten snow flurries, but we haven't seen any yet, just ice. All the milk and bread in grocery stores are sold out, people filling up all their extra gas tanks at the gas stations, it's like they're preparing for a hurricane! On a serious note though, while this may all seem so silly to those who see tons of snow and ice everyday, there have been several wrecks reported that I know of, one resulting in two deaths. The deep south just doesn't know how to handle winter conditions.
A lot of those accidents would be prevented if you guys would slow down.  You don't know how to drive it in and think its ok to drive like you do any other day.  

 That's definitely a problem.  Lots of people have 4x4 and think that's a license to drive normal.  
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Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2014-01-29 9:32 AM
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The humidity we have down here helps contribute to the overall problems.  We don't just get a snow.  We get plenty of ice along with it.  And no, we don't know how to drive in the mess.  Which is why I stay home.  I'll take on a lot of things, but not ice.  I'll lose everytime. 
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Reg. Sep 2006
Posted 2014-01-29 9:36 AM
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 Since we are SHARING weather, summer time  come, get ya some. Don't forget about the butt dripping humidity.  
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Posted 2014-01-29 9:58 AM
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mreklaw - 2014-01-28 6:13 PM

For all you northerners laughing at us pitiful cold southerners please remember the normal temp here is in the 60's. It was 70 on Sunday ! Supposed to be back in the 70's by Friday ! It's a hard adjustment to make!

And as one of us northerner's, that has been in 20-30's this week LOL!!! Stay warm!!!
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Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2014-01-29 10:09 AM
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Brrlracengirl - 2014-01-28 5:57 PM I've said it before and ill say it again, you folks that live up North are so tough when it comes to the cold!! BRRR! I'd much rather be sweating my booty off in 110 degree weather than freezing in the teens!!  

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Reg. Feb 2007
Posted 2014-01-29 10:12 AM
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I have lived in Baton Rouge and people there have enough trouble driving when it rains. They DO NOT need to be on the roads in ice. Part of those roads are elevated so they will ice easily. I don't drive on ice here in Arkansas if I don't have to. We don't have the equipment to keep the roads clear around here.  
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Posted 2014-01-29 11:10 AM
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Atlanta has too be by far the worse.........not only cannot they not drive in snow......but surly dropped the ball in planning for this winter storm................why in the world did not cancel school Monday and then declare a emergency........driving for essential reasons..........

http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2014/01/29/rare-winter-storm-causes-wrecks-travel-gridlock-in-deep-south/?intcmp=latestnews
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We had lots of ice last week here and boy it was a mess, all the roads froze over and going over the river was almost impossible.  
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CJE - 2014-01-29 11:10 AM Atlanta has too be by far the worse.........not only cannot they not drive in snow......but surly dropped the ball in planning for this winter storm................why in the world did not cancel school Monday and then declare a emergency........driving for essential reasons..........



http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2014/01/29/rare-winter-storm-causes-wrecks-travel-gridlock-in-deep-south/?intcmp=latestnews

 My guess is because 8 times out of 10 when they predict snow/ice in the South, it stays at 33-34 degrees and rains.  So if you cancel ahead of time, you could very likely be wasting a day for nothing.  So they probably didn't believe the forecast.
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Posted 2014-01-29 1:16 PM
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I've only been to NO once, it was August & started raining, I could not believe the wrecks all around us on the Interstate!  THEN I took note how slick the roads are there when they get wet!  I was told later it's because of the material they use...same in parts of Texas.  So...you all get a 'pass' from me!  Lol...
Stay safe & warm...I'm a pansy in the cold.
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musikmaker - 2014-01-29 1:16 PM I've only been to NO once, it was August & started raining, I could not believe the wrecks all around us on the Interstate!  THEN I took note how slick the roads are there when they get wet!  I was told later it's because of the material they use...same in parts of Texas.  So...you all get a 'pass' from me!  Lol...

Stay safe & warm...I'm a pansy in the cold.


Well... One of the problems with the drivers here is they are raised differently. Everyplace else in the country I've been people learn to drive defensively. When they see a possible threat they take their foot off the gas and reach for the brake.

Not so here... When the locals here see a possible threat they MASH the gas and reach for the horn!! They will start closing everything here down again at 5PM today..
 

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 Honestly I dont make fun of them for closing schools and roads.  They simply arent equipped.   Better to close than to look like Atlanta
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I sure wish they would close down things around here to celebrate it being nice for once. It's been super weather for the month of January...it's been in the 70's all month. Soon it will be way too hot to be outside so I think we should enjoy it now!! Close it all down!!
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MY GOODNESS Atlanta is in deep DO DO! When us northerners get high humidity we just go NAKED!! WOO HOOO!!
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BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 8:21 AM Pretty much the entire state of Alabama is shut down. We were out in shorts and t-shirts just Monday!! Now all schools are closed, lots of roads, nearly all the businesses. Some parts of the state have gotten snow flurries, but we haven't seen any yet, just ice. All the milk and bread in grocery stores are sold out, people filling up all their extra gas tanks at the gas stations, it's like they're preparing for a hurricane! On a serious note though, while this may all seem so silly to those who see tons of snow and ice everyday, there have been several wrecks reported that I know of, one resulting in two deaths. The deep south just doesn't know how to handle winter conditions.

A lot of those accidents would be prevented if you guys would slow down.  You don't know how to drive it in and think its ok to drive like you do any other day.  

I do agree with you to an extent, everyone should certainly slow down, and for God's sakes get off of each others bumpers! Ughhhh!

But, I had to drive to the store today, I drove extremely slow, it took me 2-3 times the amount of time it normally takes me. I don't know if we just don't put the same tires on our cars as you guys or what, but even attempting to gently accelerate, I would spin. At one red light, I was the only car at my side of the light and just could not gain traction, and nearly did not make it across by the time it turned red again. We're just not equipped. I won't be going back out until the ice is off the roads for sure.
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And to put the icing on the cake, the water company just had a main water line to freeze and bust.  Not good for a lot of folks. 
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I'm in NW Florida, and we have been shut down since yesterday. It began with sleet and by 9pm it was snow mixed in, but it is definitely the ice that is the problem. Every major bridge in the area is iced over. As others have said, we simply don't have what it takes to make the roads safe down here. This morning the county was scrambling to get red clay dumped on major roadways.

My hubby and I made a short trip for groceries this afternoon and witnessed two wrecks. Neither vehicle was speeding. Its the lack of road prep, difference in tires (or lack of chains), and the locals being at a complete loss at how to drive in these conditions. The horses didn't know what do to either. Both mares had icicles hanging off of their blankets tails and ears. They were not amused at all!

I love the cold since we don't get a lot of it. And I have spent winters in Colorado, Ohio and Montana, but will readily admit that I have no idea what I'm doing. However, I bet a lot of northerners would think we are absolutely insane as we stand in our garage and grill burgers in the middle of Cat 2 hurricanes. To each their own! :)
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I stopped by a friends house about 3pm today and they were watching the wacky women that read cards as news and they were giving Atlanta Mayor hell because he said no one has control of Mother Nature and the National Weather bunch forecasted it to be 50 miles south of Atlanta .... 2 NYC women of course that had never owned a car before

They had found them a black retired general or something from the military that was living in Atlanta now .....

HE said ..... IF ATLANTA HAD A MAYOR LIKE WE DO IN NEW YORK CITY THAT MAKES ALL THE DECISIONS FOR THE PEOPLE .... WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS HAPPENING IN ATLANTA .....

I got up and left before I puked on their floor ... lol ...

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Keep in mind all of these FAKE national emergencies ordering people around .... is a prelude to martial law where everyone will jump on a bus and go to the detention camps to be saved ..................... same way with the TSA at the airports .... no American in the past would put up with that crap of being groped and treated like crap by idiots making $10 and hour ... lol...

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BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 6:33 PM
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BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 8:21 AM Pretty much the entire state of Alabama is shut down. We were out in shorts and t-shirts just Monday!! Now all schools are closed, lots of roads, nearly all the businesses. Some parts of the state have gotten snow flurries, but we haven't seen any yet, just ice. All the milk and bread in grocery stores are sold out, people filling up all their extra gas tanks at the gas stations, it's like they're preparing for a hurricane! On a serious note though, while this may all seem so silly to those who see tons of snow and ice everyday, there have been several wrecks reported that I know of, one resulting in two deaths. The deep south just doesn't know how to handle winter conditions.
A lot of those accidents would be prevented if you guys would slow down.  You don't know how to drive it in and think its ok to drive like you do any other day.  
I do agree with you to an extent, everyone should certainly slow down, and for God's sakes get off of each others bumpers! Ughhhh! But, I had to drive to the store today, I drove extremely slow, it took me 2-3 times the amount of time it normally takes me. I don't know if we just don't put the same tires on our cars as you guys or what, but even attempting to gently accelerate, I would spin. At one red light, I was the only car at my side of the light and just could not gain traction, and nearly did not make it across by the time it turned red again. We're just not equipped. I won't be going back out until the ice is off the roads for sure.

I think its the humidity that doesn't let the moisture evaporate, temps drop below freezing and everything freezes up again and slicker that it was right after it fell from the sky.

My hubby drove in from Bossier City yesterday afternoon and he fishtailed several times.  He couldn't believe how many people were blowing past him in the left lane that was solid ice.  He had to stop three times for wrecks they were clearing up.  I know it was only a little sleet, but the roads were really bad.

Not sure how it is in other states but the ditches around here are really deep and the back roads are very narrow.  There is no wiggle room if you start sliding around.  Glad they shut everything down. 
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  for entertainment we watched the cars on the news sliding around and none were going fast. To salt the bridges they used red clay dirt :-D
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BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 6:33 PM

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BamaCanChaser - 2014-01-29 8:21 AM Pretty much the entire state of Alabama is shut down. We were out in shorts and t-shirts just Monday!! Now all schools are closed, lots of roads, nearly all the businesses. Some parts of the state have gotten snow flurries, but we haven't seen any yet, just ice. All the milk and bread in grocery stores are sold out, people filling up all their extra gas tanks at the gas stations, it's like they're preparing for a hurricane! On a serious note though, while this may all seem so silly to those who see tons of snow and ice everyday, there have been several wrecks reported that I know of, one resulting in two deaths. The deep south just doesn't know how to handle winter conditions.

A lot of those accidents would be prevented if you guys would slow down.  You don't know how to drive it in and think its ok to drive like you do any other day.  

I do agree with you to an extent, everyone should certainly slow down, and for God's sakes get off of each others bumpers! Ughhhh!

But, I had to drive to the store today, I drove extremely slow, it took me 2-3 times the amount of time it normally takes me. I don't know if we just don't put the same tires on our cars as you guys or what, but even attempting to gently accelerate, I would spin. At one red light, I was the only car at my side of the light and just could not gain traction, and nearly did not make it across by the time it turned red again. We're just not equipped. I won't be going back out until the ice is off the roads for sure.

This is true. Here in the north, we know that we are going to get three to four months of winter unfortunately. We have about a foot of snow on the ground right now and that is less than most winters, but we prepare for it. We have snow tires on our vehicles, most of us out in rural have 4 wheel drive and we keep weight in the back of our trucks to help with traction. We have snowplows out on the roads when it snows and we learn how to handle the snow and ice on the roads. Also, snow at just barely freezing temp is much more slippery and hard to drive in, even with good snow tires than when it is cold and blowing. I don't blame them for shutting things down there. I would not want to be out on the roads unequipped for those conditions with a bunch of other unequipped drivers. At least for you down there it shouldn't last long.
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cowgalsissy - 2014-01-29 10:22 PM

  for entertainment we watched the cars on the news sliding around and none were going fast. To salt the bridges they used red clay dirt :-D

Yeah. Snow tires are a 'must have thing' in the winter up north. I always had studs put in mine and as a mater of fact I have studs in my spare even now. Down here they pump brine water(mixture of fresh and salt water) out of the bayou and spread that on the bridges.
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last week we had 17 wind chill in fl and it was bitter dry cold.. and cold yes but we were ok.. this week its 28 and sleet and wet and yuck and it is bone cold.. there is a huge differance in dry and wet cold.

but summer time  when humidity is high and its 110 .. come  on down.. and work horses all day..
 
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Hope every one is ok down there. We are just praying for out weather to arrive on the west.
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LeterBuck - 2014-01-30 3:42 AM

Hope every one is ok down there. We are just praying for out weather to arrive on the west.

I heard the Sierra Nevada range is finally going to get some much needed snow this week!! Congrats!!
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Very few people use snow tires up here.  They use all season tires and we get by fine.  
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Hearing about all the people just abandoning their cars in sheer panic on the highways and interstates brought back memories of when I lived in Washington, DC.  We were hit with a "storm" that dumped 6" of snow on DC.  Everything closed....schools, businesses, and the government.  The beltway was jammed, and at first the traffic was slow, but it eventually came to a halt and turned into a parking lot as people simply left their vehicles and walked away.  Basically, people panicked and said "screw this".  You don't see this up north.....only south of the Mason-Dixon line.  I worked in Georgetown, and could see it coming, so I just took the back roads home. I remember looking out at the parking spaces at my condo and it was empty.....almost nobody made it home with their cars.  I drove a rear wheel drive sports car at the time.  People simply can't handle snow and ice down there.
 
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Forecast for next Tuesday and Wednesday.... uh, excuse me????

 
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Murphy - 2014-01-30 8:04 AM Forecast for next Tuesday and Wednesday.... uh, excuse me????



 

 Crazy weather!
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Murphy - 2014-01-30 8:04 AM Forecast for next Tuesday and Wednesday.... uh, excuse me????



 

Lovely, just lovely -- I'm supposed to start my new job which entails a little travel/lots of driving.  I really NEED the hours......  So, guilty as I feel for the youngsters - I guess I'm gonna start praying now that this is WRONG.   
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Murphy - 2014-01-30 8:04 AM Forecast for next Tuesday and Wednesday.... uh, excuse me????



 

My eyes are bad Murphy is that snowfall amounts?  
We're awful dry here in eastern SD - especially the NE.  A little warmer weather might promote some snowfall.  Hint Hint Mother Nature. 
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My eyes are bad Murphy is that snowfall amounts?  

We're awful dry here in eastern SD - especially the NE.  A little warmer weather might promote some snowfall.  Hint Hint Mother Nature. 

Yes it is snowfall.........
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Murphy - 2014-01-30 8:04 AM Forecast for next Tuesday and Wednesday.... uh, excuse me????



 

Man....I wish we got like 13" of snow.....so work would be closed ahahahahahaha.  
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Yep... snowfall. It looks like 20 inches in Louisville area. I'm betting that we will just get rain instead... but both are gross this time of the year!!  
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CYA Ranch - 2014-01-30 5:58 AM

Very few people use snow tires up here.  They use all season tires and we get by fine.  

Thank you! Was starting to think I was crazy. Never bought snow tires in my life- I'm Idaho or North Dakota, just the all terrains.
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Jethro - 2014-01-30 9:39 AM
CYA Ranch - 2014-01-30 5:58 AM Very few people use snow tires up here.  They use all season tires and we get by fine.  
Thank you! Was starting to think I was crazy. Never bought snow tires in my life- I'm Idaho or North Dakota, just the all terrains.

Nope your not crazy.  
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 You know, we southerners love a good joke and are not afraid to poke fun at ourselves...but some of the hateful a-hole condescending remarks I've seen on FB and elsewhere recently (not talking about here) are getting irritating.  I think they must be mad because we can cook better down here. 
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Three 4 Luck - 2014-01-30 3:00 PM  You know, we southerners love a good joke and are not afraid to poke fun at ourselves...but some of the hateful a-hole condescending remarks I've seen on FB and elsewhere recently (not talking about here) are getting irritating.  I think they must be mad because we can cook better down here. 

I think they are just grouchy from having to deal with all that crappy weather.  
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+1 on some of the comments ... I'm very laid back but some of them makes me want to have my fist lined up as the next thing they see when they look down their noses *hmph* 
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i think what a lot of people don't get is that "Atlanta the city" is actually not very big and only has a population of about 500,000. What the rest of GA refers to as "Atlanta" is actually made of up around 39-40 counties and roughly 130 cities/towns (metropolitan area) and covers almost 8500 square miles and has a population of over 6 million. A majority of the people that work in atlanta do not live there and commute from the suburbs. Sooo, there is a lot of traffic during rush hour anyway, plus the only public transportation system only serves a couple of these counties. Add all that to pretty much every school, private business and state employee (since atl is the capitol there are a ton of those) were all let go at the same time, millions of cars hit the roads at the exact same time, and by then ice had already begun to form (and no pretreatment of roads had been done). I hate atlanta, hate going there, and if i say i'm "going to atlanta", chances are i'm going no where near downtown lol. Its crazy to see, pretty much every town/city runs together-you can't tell where one ends and another starts. I'm not saying that people in atlanta are wonderful drivers-they're not, they drive like a-holes, but us southerns are not really that dumb, i promise lol
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Very few people use snow tires up here.  They use all season tires and we get by fine.  

Thank you! Was starting to think I was crazy. Never bought snow tires in my life- I'm Idaho or North Dakota, just the all terrains.

Haha. Yup, Im in Alberta and have never had anything but All-Seasons.
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CYA Ranch - 2014-01-30 7:58 AM

Very few people use snow tires up here.  They use all season tires and we get by fine.  

I've tried all weather radials before... But I lived off the beaten path and our road was always among the last to be plowed. I can attest the radials have got nothing on a pair of mud&snows with studs in ice or snow. I once drove 460 miles across Kansas in an ice storm. My radio antenna was almost 4 inches in diameter when I got to Colorado. All ice. From there it was snow covered roads to the Idaho state line. Back in high school, we took drivers Education in the winter and we went out no mater what the conditions were because we had to learn to drive on that stuff. Rule #1.. Stay OFF the brakes!!
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