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| Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see.
I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'.
People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'.
Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'......
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I have hot horses, I had one who when you sent her into the arena it was Mach 9. I ran her in a snaffle, and had a heck of a time on arenas that were enter and turn, she would not walk in, but she still stopped. It took a little longer lunging and stopping to get her in safely but I still was able to maintain control.
I also believe that my horses better be broke enough that I can warm up anywhere in any bit, I haven't had a horse I couldn't do this too.
I don't believe that a hot headed horse is any reason to bit the horse up. I do believe in the basics, and going back to the basics instead of bitting up.
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Location: Florida.. | cheryl makofka - 2014-01-28 11:04 PM I love my snaffle bits, and I love my broke horses. I have seen many horses that people say are well broke that don't stack up to my standards. I have hot horses, I had one who when you sent her into the arena it was Mach 9. I ran her in a snaffle, and had a heck of a time on arenas that were enter and turn, she would not walk in, but she still stopped. It took a little longer lunging and stopping to get her in safely but I still was able to maintain control. I also believe that my horses better be broke enough that I can warm up anywhere in any bit, I haven't had a horse I couldn't do this too. I don't believe that a hot headed horse is any reason to bit the horse up. I do believe in the basics, and going back to the basics instead of bitting up. If the foundation is not there and the reeducation is not taking place, you are going to run out of bits.
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-28 10:17 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-01-28 11:04 PM I love my snaffle bits, and I love my broke horses. I have seen many horses that people say are well broke that don't stack up to my standards. I have hot horses, I had one who when you sent her into the arena it was Mach 9. I ran her in a snaffle, and had a heck of a time on arenas that were enter and turn, she would not walk in, but she still stopped. It took a little longer lunging and stopping to get her in safely but I still was able to maintain control. I also believe that my horses better be broke enough that I can warm up anywhere in any bit, I haven't had a horse I couldn't do this too. I don't believe that a hot headed horse is any reason to bit the horse up. I do believe in the basics, and going back to the basics instead of bitting up. If the foundation is not there and the reeducation is not taking place, you are going to run out of bits. I agree
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| I also think a person needs to know the mechanics of a bit before using the bit on the horse.
I had the opportunity to go to a bit seminar guest speaker was one of the mylers, if you can listen to them speak about bits, it does open your mind.
You had a different post about the oring combination bit, depending on the horse, this can be too much stimulus for that horse to handle, as when you pull back, they are getting pressure from the bars, lips, tongue, nose, chin, and poll, that is a lot of stimulus occurring at one time.
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| Funny enough, I always thought on my barrel mare I would never be able to ride her in less than a combination bit. Till,one day she started stopping at barrels and refusing to turn, and that's when I decided to throw the short shank twisted wire combo in the tack room and dig out the loose ring and drop cavesson (I would never run her without this, my best friend. Haha just as important as her tie down). I worked her on barrels and I am running her in it now.
People have actually used me in the argument that even crazy barrel horses can run in snaffles (ok, she isn't that bad, but she can get a little wild sometimes when she is ran a lot), but honestly, I have no control when I send her into that pen. If we are knocking a barrel over, we are gonna knock it over and there is not one thing I can do to stop it, but my mare loves that 'stay outta my way' running style. So far, she has only knocked 1 barrel (and when I say knocked, she attacked it and almost fell over it. Not sure what she was thinking). The only time I have any control is when we are done and she stops perfectly fine. Which is fine by me, she has earned me a lot of points that way.
I am a big supporter of big bits when a horse needs them and runs well in it, but the saying less is more is sometimes a good philosophy. I'm also big on, that isn't your horse, as long as they aren't beating the snot out of him, stay out of his training. It's none of my business, is how I see it. (Now if the horse was obviously in pain and the rider had no clue, I would probably say something, but otherwise, I stay out of other peoples training) | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I probably use shanks more for lift than whoa/collection. Plus, they fit my hands better. Even my older horses will get ridden in a snaffle and split reins some at home, and a few have used that as their warm up bit. But on most horses, I like the feel of a shank better, especially in a run. It's not that I can't run in a snaffle, I just prefer a shank bit, and I think most of them work better in one. I'm not too proud to use whatever works. | |
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Location: TX | There is a time and a place for everything. I am a firm believer in having enough bit to control your horse. Seems logical since we are running and turning at a high rate of speed in a limited space. It's a matter of safety for yourself and others. I personally prefer anything but an o-ring or any snaffle for that matter. I ride in more bridle during the week and tend to run in less because I am heavier handed when competing. I expect my horses to be fairly broke and have respect for me. Now this is all personal preference. That is the best thing about the barrel race there is no right or wrong method as long as you are fast. Some horses will require you to step out of your comfort zone and try new ideas, nothing wrong with that:) | |
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| I understand what you are trying to say. Sometimes when you get a horse under pressure they can get a little chargy and try to take over. It's always a good idea to go back to basics with any horse. I ride everything in a ring snaffle at home and some I am able to use it during competitions. I do have a couple that I have all the control in the world in a ring snaffle with at home, but the minute we step in the arena at a rodeo they get pushy. I little stronger of a bit helps me keep them in check with out having to get too heavy handed. My roping horse will rip through a snaffle in the box but in the pasture he can be rode with a pinky. It all depends on the horse. Just don't disregard the importance of basics. A good foundation is the key to having success in any discipline. | |
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Location: Desert Land | Just a question...if these bits work for you and your horses, why let these "snaffle bit" people bother you? There will always be "holier than thou" types and you can't please everyone. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts.
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| They don't really bother me as much as I just don't think they understand. As a few others stated, foundation is key. Both my mares are soft mouthed and listen to seat, voice and leg. But barrels is a little different as they are ready to go.
I used to ride my bay mare(the one in the combo) in a full cheek she did well, but she just didn't really like going in it for some reason. She LOVES bitless and goes very well in a o'ring. I had her at my trainers in April last year and she put her in one. It worked and she works very well in it. I went to a barrel clinic two years ago with her and they put her in a wonder bit, which she hated she didn't wanna work at all in it.
My other mare cannot be run in a snaffle. I'm not saying that because I am lazy and don't wanna teach her, she just can't. I mean I have tried running her in a snaffle(well not running as she is just beginning but breezing through as a swift lope) she just took it and decided she was gonna do it her way. I tried for a couple weeks and still wanting to rush pull through it. Any other day on trails, or just doing flat work I can work her in a snaffle and even bitless. But when it comes time for barrels and competition she takes it and runs. I have her in a Fetter( I think ) Butter fly bit. She does well, breaks better at the pole and the face and responds better. <<< Not saying that I owe it all to the bit. After she got home we worked on slow trotting stopping etc. She just gets hot and likes to go. | |
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BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me. They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work. Clip from dec..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around? BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts.
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Location: The edge of no where | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
This was the first one that came up, I didn't realize there was another one. | |
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BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn... | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd...
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BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn...
Cute horse, but whats with all the circles around the barrel?
I actually don't know. I was just messing around. The circles in the video are all the ones I did, other then some big trot and lope circles. She does better with one barrel, listens better instead of getting ready to dart to the next one. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd...
She does look softer in the face, it appears that her shoulders are still floating.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | She's giving her face without engaging her rear end--false collection. That's why her shoulder is floating away and she's dumping on her front end. Very common problem. To fix it, you need to ride from the rear and use more seat and legs with less hand. Get her square, rear end driving and shoulders up. | |
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BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn...
I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke.
I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue.
Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education.
I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. | |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM
BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM
MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM
BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn...
I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke.
I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue.
Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education.
I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them.
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| FlyingJT - 2014-01-29 11:26 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them.
No I just mean every barrel racer is. Most don't run in O'rings. I am joined to a bit forum on FB, where if you don't use a snaffle then you basically are a bad person. I don't ever post I just watch. But a lot of the talk in there is the bits that barrel racers use, and how barrel racers ruin there horses etc. | |
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| BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:27 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM
BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM
MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM
BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one?
That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd3tJn...
I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke.
I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue.
Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education.
I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them.
Okay now. Are we talking, broke broke, or face broke?
I don't understand what you mean by face broke?
My definition of a broke horse is I can control their entire body, face, neck, shoulder, hip, and mind at any speed in any bit.
I am not so concerned about my horses tucking their head to their chest when I pick up the reins, I would rather them ride in a natural headset or with the nose pointed at the ground. I am concerned with how my horses respond to my requests, they better do as I ask without protest, or there is a hole in my training.
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Location: The edge of no where | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2014-01-29 11:26 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. No I just mean every barrel racer is. Most don't run in O'rings. I am joined to a bit forum on FB, where if you don't use a snaffle then you basically are a bad person. I don't ever post I just watch. But a lot of the talk in there is the bits that barrel racers use, and how barrel racers ruin there horses etc.
I never gave a flying flip about what some uneducated person thought about my methods or choice of headgear......just unjoin the page. | |
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Location: Florida.. | Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :) | |
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Location: Here | MS2011 - 2014-01-29 12:30 PM .
I never gave a flying flip about what some uneducated person thought about my methods or choice of headgear......just unjoin the page
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Location: The Great Northwest | There is different interpredations of broke. Riders have different levels of horsemanship. I don't like seeing a horse that is broke but not solid get a rider who doesn't have the experience to take the horse to be a solid broke horse. I have seen too well broke horse become very unbroke from poor horsemanship. We as riders are always training good or bad. It either keeps the horse broke or totally confuses them. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-29 1:28 PM Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :)
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Location: Oz, Kansas | Please don't pay any attention to any of the posters on that Tacky Tack page. | |
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Location: Midwest | Biblia put it well
You are using only your hand to steer. You need to ride with your seat and legs. You also need to support the outside of your turns.
Ignore those idiots on those bit forums. Most of those people have never done anything more than a local open show and are far from experts in barrel racing. | |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2014-01-29 1:18 PM Biblia put it well You are using only your hand to steer. You need to ride with your seat and legs. You also need to support the outside of your turns. Ignore those idiots on those bit forums. Most of those people have never done anything more than a local open show and are far from experts in barrel racing.
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Location: lexington KY | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-29 2:28 PM Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :)
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | I just seen the video and think that you need to slow things down, the horse is not collecting his head and you arent using all of your tools to communicate such as leg pressure body weight/posture and even voice. I agree that a snaffle doesn't always work with some horses,but this horse is not broke how I'd like my barrel horse to be. | |
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Location: North Dakota | To be quite honest, I think you need to take your horse (and yourself) back to the trainer. She is not using her body correctly. She's turning her nose in with the turn, and spinning around with everything else.
You need to learn how to drive her from behind and get her body working together. Use your seat and legs. Go take some lessons. Please don't take that as harsh, but you do in fact need some help in order to help your horse use her body correctly.
You can train the horse, but if you don't train the rider, then you have accomplished nothing. | |
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I'll Be Your Huckleberry
Posts: 1488
Location: Arizona | Different horses run in different bits...if you can run your horse in a snaffle great, if you can't great. All the people shouting if you don't run in a snaffle then you have no idea what you're doing have probably never even tried to train a successful barrel horse. I'd hate for someone to tell Charmayne James that she doesn't know what she is doing or isn't a good trainer because her multiple world champion horses all ran in shanked bits...
Now, as other have said improving your riding will help your horse become softer, more responsive, and broke. Just keep working at it. | |
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Location: Deep South | BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:30 AM FlyingJT - 2014-01-29 11:26 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-01-29 11:21 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 11:02 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 11:01 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-29 10:59 AM MS2011 - 2014-01-29 10:51 AM BaylenJaxs - 2014-01-28 9:49 PM Alright well, I don't know if this is just me, but I'll see. I am pretty much snaffle or bitless but when it comes to barrels. I have to put my horses in a little something more. My one mare is a Fetter(I think that's it) Butterfly bit and is doing well, seems to like it. My other is put in a O'ring smooth snaffle combo. I have actually got hate from strictly snaffle people for it. You always here 'You can't run in a curb and if your horses is being that hard, go back through the basics and put a better foundation on them.'. People don't understand barrel horses. I haven't been barrel racing for long, or that well for that matter. But people(snaffle people) just do not understand. My horses are both soft in the mouth, light to cues and they both do know WHOA. But when barrel horses not just mine. Get excited, they are a little harder to manage, and cannot be run in just a plain snaffle. Some horses can, some horses can't. But I have been seeing a lot lately of 'Go back to the basics if you need to use that bit' or 'you're horse isn't as soft as you are saying it is'. Has anybody else kinda realized this? Or had an experience with someone who has told you go back to the basics?? I mean its one thing, if you are using a giant bit to stop the horses because you can't stop it with out one. But its another, if the horse is a little more hotheaded, is still soft. Pretty much the bit is just there for 'hey remember, I'm here and listen to me.'...... Tried to explain it the best I could lol.... Just kinda aggravated me.
They might be just trying to help you. I watched the clip you posted of one of your horses.......I wouldn't consider that horse 'broke' either in the face of with it's body. If you can't control all the parts of the horse trotting a circle, how can you say it's broke? It definitely needs more foundation work.
Clip from dec.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUC0JYm5_1M I know there is grass and I know I need to break it up. I have had a SERIOUSLY tough time getting my horse to take the left lead going around the barrel. I know there are no 'LEADS' on the trot. But is she grabbing with the correct leg going around?
BTW I know I suck. This horse is just rough to ride. She'll take the left lead loping/trotting in circles, or take it while lunging. But she for some reason, will not switch between barrel one and two, but will switch to the left on between barrel two and three. Which is seriously messed up because there's two lefts. Have you seen the newest one? That one was posted in Septemeber, she went to the trainer in October. This barrel work was from 2 days ago..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brLhC9GJuME&list=UUi6Lvv9-9OxBtd... I watched this one and commented when you posted it, this horse has come along way, but is still not broke, close to the beginning (1/3 ) she gets her head up in the air and trots off, that is not broke. I want my horses soft in the face, and soft in the body, I want them listening to my body first, my reins are the second cue for them if they missed my body's cue. Your horse has improved, but as someone said maybe the snaffle people are trying to improve your education. I am constantly learning, I am always watching how people are riding asking questions and reflecting on my own riding to see if I can improve this is more productive then grouping all the individuals into one group and belittle them. No I just mean every barrel racer is. Most don't run in O'rings. I am joined to a bit forum on FB, where if you don't use a snaffle then you basically are a bad person. I don't ever post I just watch. But a lot of the talk in there is the bits that barrel racers use, and how barrel racers ruin there horses etc.
Why on earth would any barrel racer remain a member of a group like this to begin with?? I would not want to be a part of any enviroment that generalizes all barrel racers as ruining their horses. And would certainly not think twice about taking their training advice. | |
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Extreme Veteran
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Location: Mayberry | Bibliafarm - 2014-01-29 1:28 PM
Did you take lessons with horse? the horse is being rode in her face. no body control. You should not be pulling her FACE around the barrels so many circles.. her joints and her "Mind" cant handle that ..
IF she was trained properly and you .. you would take her softness and use it to ride her body.. TRUE softness is aquired with her body and engagement from hind.. which you dont have. that is why she is strung out and pulling her face around the barrels or diving down. ALso there is no reason to circle so much ? also Post Your trot.. you are so deep in her back and with her not thru her back properly you will make it sore. Im sorry this is how I see it. you need to get her engaged thru her hind and back and allow her face to be soft and and over her poll. keep her shoulders squared and no pulling her face around as you are doing.. if the trainer worked on her and got her going well... she will lose it all by you riding with bad habits before long.. Not bashing you just watching and giving my honest opinion. the first video I cringed.. the 2nd one i did as well. you both need to work together with a trainer . shes a cute mare.. but I dont think her mind will take all this for long..doesnt she have arab in her? they are so smart but must be LIGHT wth them and soft.. driving them deep doesnt work. :)
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Snaffle vs hot headed horse.