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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I posted on here a while back about advice on the fact that I am considering going back to school to be able to substitute teach.
I've done some research and have tried to get some help but it's all overwhelming.
Per the MO information I'm getting, you have to have 60 credit hours of school, pretty much an Associates Degree, but that it does NOT matter exactly what that degree is in, not for a subsititute teacher. Is this generally how it may be most states/places? This is what college advisors are telling me. If this is the case, then if I only want to subsititute, then I should go back to school in Criminal Justice since I only need 30 more credit hours to make 60 and an associates...
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Location: Never in one place long | That is correct, you only need 60hrs in most states and then apply for a "emergency" teacher permit or something like that. Subbing def has it's pros and cons. I subbed for 3.5 years. The flexibility is awesome and summers off of course. The thing that I got sick of was being at a different school/grade and class every single day! I did get a couple long term sub jobs but overall I was all over the place and you always go into a classroom not knowing what to expect... how the kids will act, if there will be lesson plans etc... you have to be very "on top of things" and in charge, not mean, just IN CHARGE! the kids I subbed LOVED me and always said I was their favorite but they also knew I would NOT let them get away with things. They will test you. It's pretty good pay but you usually have to wait about a month for your check and all schools pay different ways and times. I think it's a good job to have for a while if your unsure what you want to do but I couldn't handle it for more than 5 yrs... I like things consistent. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I definitely don't want something full time, not yet. For two reasons, i don't want to quit the part time job I have right now, I want flexibility to ride, and I don't have the money to get a degree that would allow me to be a regular full time teacher. |
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| I think in most states, yes, but I know in California you have to have a Bachelor's and a credential. It is so incredibly hard for us to get subs because of this.
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| In some places you only need a high school diploma and have to attend a little orientation to substitute. Just cut out the middle man and call the superintendent's office of the district you wish to sub and get the information directly from them. It would probably be a lot less of the run around.
Edited by sodapop 2014-01-31 6:57 PM
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | sodapop - 2014-01-31 7:54 PM In some places you only need a high school diploma and have to attend a little orientation to substitute. Just cut out the middle man and call the superintendent's office of the district you wish to sub and get the information directly from them. It would probably be a lot less of the run around.
I already know that the state of Missouri requires 60 credit hours. And that's a state wide thing. |
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| missroselee - 2014-01-31 7:11 PM
sodapop - 2014-01-31 7:54 PM In some places you only need a high school diploma and have to attend a little orientation to substitute. Just cut out the middle man and call the superintendent's office of the district you wish to sub and get the information directly from them. It would probably be a lot less of the run around.
I already know that the state of Missouri requires 60 credit hours. And that's a state wide thing.
I don't know what they pay subs there. I don't think I would spend that much time in school just for the purpose of substituting unless it pays a lot. I didn't really enjoy subbing. Good luck! |
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| Kentucky requires 60 credit hours. Sounds like that would be best. Then, if you want to pursue education full time check into an MAT program. This is for people who have a bachelors in something else and want to teach. They join an MAT program, get their masters in education and are certified to teach. |
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| missroselee - 2014-01-31 3:04 PM
I posted on here a while back about advice on the fact that I am considering going back to school to be able to substitute teach.
I've done some research and have tried to get some help but it's all overwhelming.
Per the MO information I'm getting, you have to have 60 credit hours of school, pretty much an Associates Degree, but that it does NOT matter exactly what that degree is in, not for a subsititute teacher. Is this generally how it may be most states/places? This is what college advisors are telling me. If this is the case, then if I only want to subsititute, then I should go back to school in Criminal Justice since I only need 30 more credit hours to make 60 and an associates...
Thoughts?
So...are you wanting to know how it how it is in places other than MO, or just in MO? As sodapop said, some places you don't have to have college hours. If you're wanting to know about subbing where you are living right now, why not call the school districts close to you and get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak :) |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I was just asking....I know there are a lot of teachers on here and thought I could maybe get some input. Sorry for wasting anyones time. |
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| I would think with the state's requiring 60 college hours they would have a hard time finding subs. Subs are hard to find when no college hours are required. I think a person meeting the requirements of the 60 hour states would stay very busy since there are probably not many people with that many college hours wanting to sub. What do subs get paid daily in MO? |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I dont' know what they make. I hadn't even begun to ask because I was trying to figure everything else out first. I'm not sure it's even worth it now. I just wanted to do something different and this is something I wanted to do, but now who knows. |
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| missroselee - 2014-01-31 8:41 PM
I dont' know what they make. I hadn't even begun to ask because I was trying to figure everything else out first. I'm not sure it's even worth it now. I just wanted to do something different and this is something I wanted to do, but now who knows.
If you knew some in the area who subbed that might help you make up your mind. What about working as a teacher assistant or paraprofessional for special needs students? Don't know what they make there.... It's not a high paying job I know and they do a lot of work, but all the ones I know love what they do. |
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| missroselee - 2014-01-31 8:41 PM
I dont' know what they make. I hadn't even begun to ask because I was trying to figure everything else out first. I'm not sure it's even worth it now. I just wanted to do something different and this is something I wanted to do, but now who knows.
Don't know about MO, but in Oklahoma each district has their own pay scale for subs. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I'm talking to someone now who subs with a local school district. Pay for subs is 74 a day but does require the 60 credit hours plus a certification (just background check, fingerprints, videos training etc). She's telling me about para subs now |
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Location: Qld Australia | Wow, this sounds crazy for relief teaching!!
In Australia, you CANNOT be a relief teacher unless you have earned your teaching degree!!! 4 years worth of education.
Wow, that's just mind boggling to think how comparatively easy it would be in the States. Relief teaching here is paid A LOT. I could earn the same amount working two days/week as I do working full time. I choose not to do this though as I am not a risk taker and have worked hard to be granted permanency and be paid for holidays and sick days etc. If I was single and did not have a mortgage, it would be an AWESOME job.
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| missroselee - 2014-01-31 8:54 PM
I'm talking to someone now who subs with a local school district. Pay for subs is 74 a day but does require the 60 credit hours plus a certification (just background check, fingerprints, videos training etc). She's telling me about para subs now
What about full time teacher assistant or para instead of subbing? |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | sodapop - 2014-01-31 9:59 PM missroselee - 2014-01-31 8:54 PM I'm talking to someone now who subs with a local school district. Pay for subs is 74 a day but does require the 60 credit hours plus a certification (just background check, fingerprints, videos training etc). She's telling me about para subs now What about full time teacher assistant or para instead of subbing?
I don't know much about it, not enough to make a decision one way or the other, but the gal I'm talking to online right now is giving me tons of great information and links to state info and local district info. And my in laws live across the street from the admin building which she recommended stopping in to talk with her. |
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| I'm in Missouri, and I subbed while I finished my teaching degree. Most districts pay $50-$75 per day. If you are flexible and get in good with the secretaries, you can get your days scheduled in advance. I kept my planner with me and would stop by the office on the way out and fill it in with teachers who were taking days off (not sick days). I didn't like getting those 5 a.m. phone calls, and I had a small child I had to make arrangements for, so I liked knowing in advance where I was going. I was on the sub list for 5 districts, so I kept very busy, but I liked the option of saying no and having a day off.
Most teachers provide you with very detailed plans, and there is usually another teacher at that grade level you can ask if you need anything.
I carried a bag with some activities in case the teacher didn't leave enough stuff: coloring sheets, word find puzzles, trivia games. Have some other games in your arsenal as well, like Heads Up 7 Up and Around the World. You may also want to look up some good classroom management strategies like Whole Brain Teaching.
I agree that you should pursue the degree you've already started. Subbing is great part time work, that doesn't mean you intend to be a full-time teacher. Good luck and have fun! |
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| I teach in TX, and sub pay ranges $50 to $75 a day. My paras work just as hard as me and only take home $800 a month. Go get a job at Sonic. You will make more money, and you won't have to put up with as much. |
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| luckyjo - 2014-02-02 9:26 PM
I teach in TX, and sub pay ranges $50 to $75 a day. My paras work just as hard as me and only take home $800 a month. Go get a job at Sonic. You will make more money, and you won't have to put up with as much.
I teach in TX too. You can earn a LOT more waitressing at a nice restaurant and do not have to put up with parents and the administrative junk that we have to put up with. Subs are kind of a target for the kids that do not behave with the regular teacher. The sweet little darlings can make a subs life pretty miserable. All teachers in TX have to have a criminal background check and I think subs do too. |
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| When I subbed (about 15 yrs ago), in Kansas, you just had to have a degree - didn't matter what in, and you paid for an emergency cert for whichever district you subbed in. |
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