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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Well.... I've got myself a couple of REAL project horses this time but these folks need some help.
A couple at church who are NOT horse people inherited these two horses from the husband's mother because she's going to nursing home. They were basically just dumped into their lap. They know they need to get rid of them both but they don't want to just dump them. Problem is the 2 horses are not fit to even give away!
The mother was adament that all animals should be free and shouldn't be contained in ANY way -- that included halters, bridles, saddles. She never would let anyone work with these horses so they've never even had a halter on. They're 4 & 6 years old.
The best part???? .........They're still STALLIONS! 
Tomorrow will be my first session with them so I'll know more once I get in there and see what I'm really dealing with. Of course I'm recommending that they geld ASAP --- but even if you could dart them to get them down, they'd still need to be gentle enough to doctored if something happened from gelding. Let alone the fact that I don't think there's anywhere to herd them into, and I don't know if we have a vet around here that I'd trust to dart a horse just because it's so uncommon in this area.
This may get a little interesting.... If nothing else, I'm sure it'll be a learning experience.
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | Wow buddy you've got your hands full!! Wishing you luck and to be safe!! Don't go by yourself when you work with them in case something happens!! |
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 I Am Always Right
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Wowzers!!!! I am sending some prayers your way. Don't go out there alone. Let us know when you get back. Perhaps they are big, fully intact, puppy dogs. |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Good Luck
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| Herd them in a trailer and head to the nearest PETA farm for gentling:) Really prayers for you and stay safe! |
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Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | One of them does follow them around but one of them is skittish. They get fed every day so that will help, hopefully. Hubby is going to go with me to watch.... or laugh, lol!
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Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | txaggiegal - 2014-01-31 8:41 PM Herd them in a trailer and head to the nearest PETA farm for gentling:) Really prayers for you and stay safe!
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I would try and get them halter broke and halfway gentled before you attempt to geld them. For the vet's safety and everyone around them who would try and doctor them afterward.
For conversations sake I am going to assume they probably didn't come with papers. LOL |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | casualdust07 - 2014-01-31 10:53 PM
I would try and get them halter broke and halfway gentled before you attempt to geld them. For the vet's safety and everyone around them who would try and doctor them afterward.
For conversations sake I am going to assume they probably didn't come with papers. LOL
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Location: CA | I would say get the vet out to knock them out for you, then get their feet done, their vaccs done, and cut off the junk while they're out. At least you'll have a baseline to work with. You'll know they're healthy and mentally prepared to listen to you. Of course there's a chance that they could have complications, but most likely not, and they could still be doctored with further sedation if that became the case. At least you wouldn't be dealing with two mature, untouched stallions. Your safety is much more important than theirs, and they will be far more mentally ready to accept new things without the boys intact. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | I can almost see the big SUCKER sign on your forehead from here. LOL. Good luck. |
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| Maybe put,some ace,in there feed or,get the vet to,get some resirpine pills plunk it in there feed and it will quiet it then down. Good luck, aybe they are kind if quiet naturally. |
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Location: MI | Wow, you're going to have fun.... :) Be safe!!!
I'm sure you're more experienced with me at this, but I'd move some of our round pen panels over there and start feeding them in a 4 box stall or even bigger round pen area....get them used to that and then start working them around. I don't know how much room they have though, and it's highly likely that with your experience you have much better ideas then myself!!! Good luck!!! |
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 The BHW Book Worm
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| You are a much nicer person than i. That is alot of work just out of the goodness of your heart. god bless you.  |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Where are you? Would my popcorn be cold by the time I pulled up across the street to watch? |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would recommend a guy named Scott Daily....he does clinics with horses just like this....He lives just over the KS line from OK...918-636-2833. He's kinda like Tom Dorrance, Buck Brannaman, etc....I was very impressed. |
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Location: In my own world | Bless you for taking on this project and trying to help these two get a chance at something. Wow, that is an undertaking. Please be safe. I will be a cheerleader for you! |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | You're doing this why? There would have to be a hell of a lot of money in my pocket paid up front before I'd touch that kind of crap. |
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Location: ND | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-01 11:51 AM You're doing this why? There would have to be a hell of a lot of money in my pocket paid up front before I'd touch that kind of crap.
lol I'm with ya! I've had phone calls to work with similar type horses. I run the other direction as fast as I can. I refuse to risk getting hurt because someone else didn't take the time to work with their animals. But at the same time glad you're willing to give these boys a chance to improve their lives and maybe have a future. |
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Location: Iowa, LA | Wow! You've got your hands full!!! Good luck! |
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"Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | Wow! You've got your hands full!!! Good luck to you! |
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | SaraJean - 2014-02-01 12:58 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-01 11:51 AM You're doing this why? There would have to be a hell of a lot of money in my pocket paid up front before I'd touch that kind of crap. lol I'm with ya! I've had phone calls to work with similar type horses. I run the other direction as fast as I can. I refuse to risk getting hurt because someone else didn't take the time to work with their animals. But at the same time glad you're willing to give these boys a chance to improve their lives and maybe have a future.
I've had those same phone calls and one of the people is one of my best friends. She's notorious for having too many horses and not touching them so I'm supposed to break my neck fixing her idiots? Not in a million.  |
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| ok first of all they were not just dumped into the sons lap. His mother has been aging since she was born and since he has been old enough to know that each year people get older. He needs to Cowboy up and take responsibility for his own property. |
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Twin Sister to Queen Boobie
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | They're not as bad as I was expecting, although they're still going to take a good bit of work.
Fortunately, they're gaited horses which tend to be a little more forgiving than other breeds so that's a plus. They're also not mouthy at all even though he gives them carrots. 
She originally got them a little over 4 years ago so they've not had a halter on in those 4 years. However, I suspect that they had some handling prior to that just don't know how much.
The black horse is a little easier to deal with. He'll let you rub on him without too much trouble and he'll let you pick his foot up, he just pulls back if you hold it. I don't think it'll be too much trouble to get a halter on him.
The bay horse was an interesting case. When I first started working with him, his body language was agressive -- ears back, nose pinched, neck tense and arched-- but he didn't do anything. I'd go to rub his shoulder and he'd walk off. I had a wadded up rope halter in my hand and he smelled of that thing and wanted no part of it.
There's no pen anywhere on this place and it's mostly hilly and woods, barbed wire fence and T-posts. So I had to work with what I had. He'd put out two tubs of feed and the bay wanted the feed. So I "round penned" him at a walk around the feed. It worked -- I was able to direct his feet and get his eye.
I knew he was funny about his shoulder and that was a "no" area, as well as his face. So maybe the "it" spot was his tail. Most stallions like their tails rubbed and it made sense that he'd be more comfortable with being touched further back if he was funny about his front end.
I walked up to him and started rubbing his tail and he let me without walking off. I found my starting point. He let me rub all over his hips and about halfway towards his front end before he'd tense up or walk off.
The interesting thing is that once I started doing that, I saw a HUGE physical change. He blew his air out, licked and chewed and his eyes and ears softened. He was a totally different horse. He let me take the wadded up halter and rub him with it, and he let me rub my hands down his legs --that's what makes me think he's had at least some handling. It took me 2 hours to get to that point and I quit on that.
If he doesn't find them a home, I'll be going out there again next Sunday.
Some have asked why I said yes to working with them. They offered to pay me, I declined. Here's why -- they need help, the horses need help. Someone has to help them. I see it as a ministry opportunity. I've got a passion for working with tough horses and I think that instances like this are the exact reason for that passion that God has given me. I'd be wrong NOT to help these folks.
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Location: Here | God Bless You |
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Location: on my horse | You are an amazing woman, God bless you and thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts with us  |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | I think it's ironic that my name is Frances... which also happens to be the patron saint of animals.
Those horses didn't ask to be in the hands of someone that wasn't responsible. I just hate to see them pay the price for it. |
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Location: Here | Fairweather - 2014-02-01 9:16 PM I think it's ironic that my name is Frances... which also happens to be the patron saint of animals.
Those horses didn't ask to be in the hands of someone that wasn't responsible. I just hate to see them pay the price for it.
I agree. I am glad they have you. At least you are trying
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Location: PNW | If you're still trying to figure out how to get them gelded.... I'll tell you what we did with my father-in-law's horse...
My father-in-law is very similar in thinking that horses shouldn't be contained... You should smoke peyote and do calm dances around them (or some schmidt like that). He is obviously NEVER allowed to deal with my horses because they can see his Parelli bumper sticker the minute he pulls in the driveway...
Anyways, i decided it was time to geld his stupid 3 year old stud colt that had LITERALLY had the run of our 3000 acre ranch for his ENTIRE LIFE - before he knocked up my mare, or the neighbor's mare, oh yea - or KILLED SOMEBODY. So my husband and I waited until Dear Ol' Dad was down visiting family in California.....
And then I called my vet and the county trapper (good friend of ours); the vet brought the tranquilizer cocktail, and the trapper brought his tranquilizing gun. There was no adrenaline in the horse's system to fight the tranquilizer, unlike the time my FIL tried to snuggle the stupid horse into submission, and it worked like a charm.
Snip snip, and we had a gelding
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I Am Always Right
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Fairweather - 2014-02-01 9:16 PM I think it's ironic that my name is Frances... which also happens to be the patron saint of animals.
Those horses didn't ask to be in the hands of someone that wasn't responsible. I just hate to see them pay the price for it.
Bingo...you hit the nail on the head. I get a lot of flack for being a "doormat," but I don't do what I do for anyone or anything but the animals. They don't get to choose where they end up. Some end up in a great place and others are not so lucky.
Bless you. They are beautiful horses.
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More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | svincent - 2014-02-01 9:39 PM If you're still trying to figure out how to get them gelded.... I'll tell you what we did with my father-in-law's horse... My father-in-law is very similar in thinking that horses shouldn't be contained... You should smoke peyote and do calm dances around them (or some schmidt like that ). He is obviously NEVER allowed to deal with my horses because they can see his Parelli bumper sticker the minute he pulls in the driveway... Anyways, i decided it was time to geld his stupid 3 year old stud colt that had LITERALLY had the run of our 3000 acre ranch for his ENTIRE LIFE - before he knocked up my mare, or the neighbor's mare, oh yea - or KILLED SOMEBODY. So my husband and I waited until Dear Ol' Dad was down visiting family in California..... And then I called my vet and the county trapper (good friend of ours ); the vet brought the tranquilizer cocktail, and the trapper brought his tranquilizing gun. There was no adrenaline in the horse's system to fight the tranquilizer, unlike the time my FIL tried to snuggle the stupid horse into submission, and it worked like a charm. Snip snip, and we had a gelding
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I would get a stock trailer and panels run them up in it haul to the vet have gelded while sedated slip on halters and lead ropes trim feet and vacinate while under. Then haul to the nearest round pen for breaking while they are coming out of sedation and leave them in the round pen. While they are good and sore halter break them and throw a saddle on they won't do a whole lot of bucking and being jerks while healing. You'll have 3 good days to put it all together. Then the pain will begin to go away. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | I would get a stock trailer and panels run them up in it haul to the vet have gelded while sedated slip on halters and lead ropes trim feet and vacinate while under. Then haul to the nearest round pen for breaking while they are coming out of sedation and leave them in the round pen. While they are good and sore halter break them and throw a saddle on they won't do a whole lot of bucking and being jerks while healing. You'll have 3 good days to put it all together. Then the pain will begin to go away. |
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| Bless your heart. I also have the passion for working with troubled horses. I wont break my back to do it but I will if I have the time and it wont cost too much for me (gas money).
I did this with an OTTB that was just dangerous in the hands of a very inexperienced person. I offered after she became pregnant and literally couldnt even continue her failed attempts at brushing this mare. She was okay with giving the horse away but in the shape she was, she would be slaughter bound. She literally had a black beauty type background/history. 30 days with that mare and she was a different horse. made someone a fantastic dressage horse and I dont regret it for a minute.
I agree that horses shouldnt suffer for human stupidity. You cant save them all but you can help where you can.
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Location: Louisiana | At least they have been fed and seem in good shape. My BF and I had this conversation last night. A lot of times it's easier to deal with a horse that hasn't been touched versus one that's been handled by an idiot, starved, locked in a stall, etc. They have no reason to distrust you from the start so it can be easier and quicker to gain some trust and progress.
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