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Location: MD | I sold a horse earlier this year through a broker. Very nice horse, loaded with ability and just as sweet as they come. Last Saturday, I received a text message from that broker. They had heard that the horse was being offered for sale again. She told someone about the horse and they went to look at the horse. The pictures that were forwarded to me of said horse had both myself and the broker in tears, as we were talking to one another on the phone. Though the grace of amazing friends, I was able to get it arranged to get that horse out of there and just spoke with the new owners. They are now headed home with a very sweet, very skinny horse on the trailer. It will be some time before we are back where we need to be, but each mile of their drive has us one step closer. If everyone could please send up a prayer of thanks for amazing people who went above and way beyond to rescue this horse, I would truly appreciate it!
So, after all that, if a young girl from AL shows interest in a horse that you have for sale, they will pay full asking price, in cash, but still, for the sake of your horses, please make sure that you are not dealing with this one, in particular!
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| WrapSnap - 2014-02-01 8:46 PM
I sold a horse earlier this year through a broker. Very nice horse, loaded with ability and just as sweet as they come. Last Saturday, I received a text message from that broker. They had heard that the horse was being offered for sale again. She told someone about the horse and they went to look at the horse. The pictures that were forwarded to me of said horse had both myself and the broker in tears, as we were talking to one another on the phone. Though the grace of amazing friends, I was able to get it arranged to get that horse out of there and just spoke with the new owners. They are now headed home with a very sweet, very skinny horse on the trailer. It will be some time before we are back where we need to be, but each mile of their drive has us one step closer. If everyone could please send up a prayer of thanks for amazing people who went above and way beyond to rescue this horse, I would truly appreciate it!
So, after all that, if a young girl from AL shows interest in a horse that you have for sale, they will pay full asking price, in cash, but still, for the sake of your horses, please make sure that you are not dealing with this one, in particular!
I agree and unfortunately have had this happen in the livestock industry quite a lot. It sure does stink when you watch something that had awesome potential go to waste due to poor feeding, inadequate care or any number of easily preventable things.
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Location: ND | I'll never understand how people can be so cruel...... |
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Location: Here | SaraJean - 2014-02-01 8:54 PM I'll never understand how people can be so cruel......
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | This is why I dont sell my horses... glad that you guys got this poor horse out of there and on its way to a happy and better home.  |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I'm glad she's heading home to you Andy. I hope the pictures look worse than she actually is. Prayers  |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I don't get it either. Why pay a decent amount of money to not feed or properly care for animal...?? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | That makes me sick. That happened to my HS horse after I sold him. He won a buckle series for his new owner right off the bat, but then she turned 16 and went boy crazy. He got kicked out in the pasture for a year with no feed, no care at all before they thought to offer him for sale through the trainer that arranged their purchase. The family that went to look at him told me they were HORRIFIED when they saw him, but luckily knew what he had been and bought him anyway and brought him back to life. I still feel guilty over what happened to him. How can people justify that kind of thing to themselves? |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Hence my post of last week, "so I took on this horse." Perfect example of a person who shouldn't own a pet rock. I cannot understand the lack of simple care and compassion in some people.
I am so happy that this horse will have a chance at a quality life just as the horse I took on. Sending prayers for this little mare to make a full comeback and live a full and happy life. |
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| There's a girl around us that has starved 2 horses but are still allowed to own them.. She asked me about my one horse and well she got an ear full.. |
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Location: MD | The worst part is, this child has 8 other horses on the place. The horses that she makes good runs on and does well with all look decent. If she does not click with one, or starts hitting however, she apparently just throws them out in the field and forgets them. It's not that they don't know how to care for one properly, or have fallen on hard times. |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | My biggest fear right there. I know what I would put into my horse to keep them looking and feeling great (cripple, running or whatever) and I know there aren't near as many of those kind of people out there as we would like to think. Prayers...and I am glad nothing of mine is up for sale. :) |
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Location: ohio-in my own little world with pretty ponies :) | I don't get how people can do that! I got Hemi from a bad situation. What goes through people's minds?? "I'm just not gonna feed my horse today"?? |
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| This is down the street from me. I have called the SPCA- not in an area they go to, called the sheriff- he said they have notes from vet that horses are old and "living out their life". They have about 20 horses and 20 cows on 10 acres. Some animals are fed, some are starving. If you are not going to give an old horse the supportive care they need, put them down. I offered to pay vet, free round bale- no to both. I called a couple of rescue groups to see if they could get something done. He is one of 6 that look like this and they look much worse in person.
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Location: Texas | Rodeomom3 I have neighbors with horses like that too on the road next to mine. It's the same thing. Sheriff deputy lives on my road! They have "food" and "water" so there's not much else they can do. one of them either broke or infected his left hind fetlock. it fused in a flexed position and is the size of a cantaloupe. There's a bunch running around and some are skin and bones and a couple look OK.
Then down my road, this man has 20+ horses on about that much land… free to breed with each other… the babies are now adults and he has so many they didn't get halter broke or anything else. wild as ever. One got injured and they had to take it to the vet. Tech told me they had to run it in the trailer with hotshots like a cow. And that it knocked the vet OUT who was working on him!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | People like this who have absolutely no sense of decency or empathy and wantonly neglect animals to this extent are often times psychopaths later on. This sounds worse than neglect. Deeply disturbed people do these things.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have know of people that can pay out the nose for a nice horse, but some people are so da* lazy that they dont care if the horses get feed are not, but they can say that they own a horse. Or the horse was bad so lets dont feed them... Every time I hear someone say that they withheld feed because their horse was bad just makes my skin crawl. They dont need a horse... 
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Location: Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-02 11:19 AM I have know of people that can pay out the nose for a nice horse, but some people are so da* lazy that they dont care if the horses get feed are not, but they can say that they own a horse. Or the horse was bad so lets dont feed them... Every time I hear someone that withheld feed because their horse was bad just makes my skin crawl. They dont need a horse...
I agree.....what makes people think a horse has the reasoning power to think "I was bad, so I can't eat". IDIOTS!
I bought one of my best broodmares at a neighborhood sale. She was so starved, I thought she might not even make it home. We left the sale tag on her so we wouldn't get the sheriff called on us. I kissed her on the nose that day and told her "you'll never be hungry again". She died last year, and I am happy to say, I kept my promise.
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | Fun2Run - 2014-02-02 11:31 AM Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-02 11:19 AM I have know of people that can pay out the nose for a nice horse, but some people are so da* lazy that they dont care if the horses get feed are not, but they can say that they own a horse. Or the horse was bad so lets dont feed them... Every time I hear someone that withheld feed because their horse was bad just makes my skin crawl. They dont need a horse...
I bought one of my best broodmares at a neighborhood sale. She was so starved, I thought she might not even make it home. We left the sale tag on her so we wouldn't get the sheriff called on us. I kissed her on the nose that day and told her "you'll never be hungry again". She died last year, and I am happy to say, I kept my promise.
All I can say is what comes around goes around. People like this will get theirs in the end. I am certain that there is a special place in Hades for people who abuse animals be it through violence or neglect.
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Location: Wyoming | Some people have absolutely no idea how to feed a horse. We had some neighbors that thought they only needed 1 small flake of hay every couple of days seriously. I took it upon myself not even knowing them because we had just moved to our place to educate them. I was pleased that they tried hard to make changes
In how they cared for the horses and they started to look much better.
When I sell a horse I make it a point to educated not only how to ride the horse but how to feed it as well cause some don't have a clue. It's so sad when people do know but choose to be cruel. |
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| What do the people say who are selling the horse??? Are they on drugs, are sociopaths who just don't care? I wonder if they show any remorse at all or are embarassed by what they have done? |
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| to me it's even worse when people "rescue" horses from a "bad situation" and put them in an even worse situation. many of the rescuers around here are novice horse owners at best, they have good intentions but are ill equipped to handle horses that were either race horses and can be fractious, or neglected horses that have had little to no handling.
In our area we do not have space for pasture, so all the horses live in 24x24' corrals, which is fine for those that get ridden or turned out daily. The people on our place that rescued these horses do NOT get them out but for maybe 2x a week for 20 minutes each. They were getting no fat supplements and their OTTB was wasting away. We keep telling them that they need to give her back to the rescue or get rid of her, bus since it is a pride thing...they won't. It is so frustrating, and the authorities can't do anything about it because the horses have food, shelter, and water.
This person even had the nerve to chastize ME for BUYING a colt to run and to later BREED. Really? There is NO ONE around our county that will EVER say I neglect my horses. Look in your own corrals before you worry about what's in mine, lady. |
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| SG. - 2014-02-01 9:11 PM
SaraJean - 2014-02-01 8:54 PM I'll never understand how people can be so cruel......
Me too. Sad.
I really don't think that it is cruelty as much as ignorance. MOST people do not understand the amount of time it takes to take care of a horse and never dreamed that they actually cost money to feed. !@@#$$% There is a Pro football player who has a piece of property down the road from me and he had 6 horses on 2 acres. Apparently, never fed them. They looked bad. He has started putting a crappy round bale out once every month or two and has gotten the number down to 2. They still look terrible. I pass that property twice a day everyday and really hate to look at them.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 12:15 PM
SG. - 2014-02-01 9:11 PM
SaraJean - 2014-02-01 8:54 PM I'll never understand how people can be so cruel......
Me too. Sad.
I really don't think that it is cruelty as much as ignorance. MOST people do not understand the amount of time it takes to take care of a horse and never dreamed that they actually cost money to feed. !@@#$$% There is a Pro football player who has a piece of property down the road from me and he had 6 horses on 2 acres. Apparently, never fed them. They looked bad. He has started putting a crappy round bale out once every month or two and has gotten the number down to 2. They still look terrible. I pass that property twice a day everyday and really hate to look at them.
My neighbors have a "rescued" stallion. Last year, they bought him no hay. This year they bought him 2 crappy rounds that have been gone for 2 months and this winter has been so cold that there is no grass out there. They throw enough grain at him that's he's not skinny. Makes me sick, I've tried to help, but they don't want to know. |
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Location: High heels in the air... | I sold my baby...a winning mare that was never fed, wormed or cared for...I tried continuously to buy her back until the light went out of her eyes...they ran her everywhere anywhere for the money...skin and bones but still trying to her last breathe...propbably ulcers and worms plus lack of honest care. I still feel guilty about it and hate the girl that did that to her...
Yup, some people could kill a pet rock...Sorry, Andy...at least your story has a happy ending...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I even know of some that wont get out in the cold are rain to feed, they might get sick,lol. I would like to puke all over them  |
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Location: The South | I'll never understand why people pay good money for a horse and treat them that way. I sold my barrel horse before I left for college, went to a show just a few months later and didn't recognize my horse tied to the trailer. Her eyes were so sad and blank, it broke my heart. My dad just patted me on the shoulder and said "there's nothing we can do kid". I cried the whole way home. I still can't wrap my head around how she lost so much weight in such a short amount of time. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-02 1:29 PM
I even know of some that wont get out in the cold are rain to feed, they might get sick,lol. I would like to puke all over them
Most people think if it is too cold to go feed, don't bother. Nights like tonight are when they need to be fed the most. Sometimes when the weather is like this I have to drag myself out there to feed but I get it done. (NE TX)
I am surprised that I have not been arrested for abuse because mine are all way too fat. |
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| Honeymoney - 2014-02-02 2:47 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2014-02-02 1:29 PM
I even know of some that wont get out in the cold are rain to feed, they might get sick,lol. I would like to puke all over them
Most people think if it is too cold to go feed, don't bother. Nights like tonight are when they need to be fed the most. Sometimes when the weather is like this I have to drag myself out there to feed but I get it done. (NE TX )
I am surprised that I have not been arrested for abuse because mine are all way too fat.
Sick, well, tired, hurt, rain, snow, wind, heat, humidity - other than active thunder storms with lightning the horses get fed. Those with other livestock do the same for their animals.
I am not one for any more legislation than there is for anything, but I sure wish the horse community was allowed to police its own more actively.
I have someone nearby that steals hay from me on a regular basis. I do make a report every time for theft losses on my taxes, but I don't raise a big stink because I figure those horses I'm feeding would probably starve if I shut down the supply 100%. I do wish whoever it was would get a job so they could support their own horses tho. |
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| And this is the reason I have a barn full of old horses. I'm too scared to try and sell them. The one I was going to sell a couple of months ago I just quit trying. |
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Location: St James,MN | cinch - 2014-02-02 6:01 PM
And this is the reason I have a barn full of old horses. I'm too scared to try and sell them. The one I was going to sell a couple of months ago I just quit trying.
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Location: Phoenix | That is so sad.....I mean to be able to AFFORD to feed a horse well and be too lazy? Preposterous. Sickening. I rodeo'd with a girl that just never put her horse first....her horse would be begging for water while I watered mine so I'd offer him a sip to tide him over and shed yell at me for potentially exposing him to germs. 
We have 2 older horses that looked pretty bad because they were living out their days. They were like 30+....pretty skinny but still had an appetite and that light in their eyes so you didn't feel right putting them down.....now when your whole herd looks like that....now you have a problem. |
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| RodeoCowgirl4u - 2014-02-02 12:05 PM
to me it's even worse when people "rescue" horses from a "bad situation" and put them in an even worse situation. many of the rescuers around here are novice horse owners at best, they have good intentions but are ill equipped to handle horses that were either race horses and can be fractious, or neglected horses that have had little to no handling.
In our area we do not have space for pasture, so all the horses live in 24x24' corrals, which is fine for those that get ridden or turned out daily. The people on our place that rescued these horses do NOT get them out but for maybe 2x a week for 20 minutes each. They were getting no fat supplements and their OTTB was wasting away. We keep telling them that they need to give her back to the rescue or get rid of her, bus since it is a pride thing...they won't. It is so frustrating, and the authorities can't do anything about it because the horses have food, shelter, and water.
This person even had the nerve to chastize ME for BUYING a colt to run and to later BREED. Really? There is NO ONE around our county that will EVER say I neglect my horses. Look in your own corrals before you worry about what's in mine, lady.
I hate this too. I bought my last gelding out of that type of situation. Owners were told they were going to have them seized if they didnt change their condition or rehome them. They were truly struggling I think financially (not an excuse but some kind of reasoning). They "free leased" them to a family who didnt give them anything extra. I heard about the horse through the grapevine, he was bred well and had 30 days on barrels a few days prior. Went to look at him after speaking with the original owners and current caretaker. I was horrified! several hundred pounds underweight, hooves had broken off near the cornary band, wormy, patches of hair missing. I got to take him as a trial and when I brought him to the barn where he was originally trained... her jaw dropped.
I offered them money right away and wouldnt take less than 4k... I couldnt, just couldnt let him go back to that. So yes, I got ripped off. He was barely broke anymore, almost pitched me once he regained some of his strength. But ya know, I couldnt sleep putting him back in that situation.
Ultimately, it comes down to people literally lack emotions... they can justify some crazy things in their head and those people are in my opinion are the most dangerous. |
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Location: MD | I can honestly say that it is not a lack of education, or finances in this case. The girl simply decided that she didn't like the horse because she couldn't ride it and wouldn't seek help getting with it, or listen to the advice that she was given, including what bit the horse ran in. So, she chucked it out in the field with her other castoffs, which she no longer enjoyed playing with. The ones that she can ride well and compete on successfully, all look good. The father doesn't seem to care either. Actually, part of the negotiation to get this one bought went something like "I'm not taking a penny less than $x for it and if I don't get that, that sucker can stay in the field until it drops". |
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| WrapSnap - 2014-02-02 11:05 PM
I can honestly say that it is not a lack of education, or finances in this case. The girl simply decided that she didn't like the horse because she couldn't ride it and wouldn't seek help getting with it, or listen to the advice that she was given, including what bit the horse ran in. So, she chucked it out in the field with her other castoffs, which she no longer enjoyed playing with. The ones that she can ride well and compete on successfully, all look good. The father doesn't seem to care either. Actually, part of the negotiation to get this one bought went something like "I'm not taking a penny less than $x for it and if I don't get that, that sucker can stay in the field until it drops".
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | WrapSnap - 2014-02-02 11:05 PM I can honestly say that it is not a lack of education, or finances in this case. The girl simply decided that she didn't like the horse because she couldn't ride it and wouldn't seek help getting with it, or listen to the advice that she was given, including what bit the horse ran in. So, she chucked it out in the field with her other castoffs, which she no longer enjoyed playing with. The ones that she can ride well and compete on successfully, all look good. The father doesn't seem to care either. Actually, part of the negotiation to get this one bought went something like "I'm not taking a penny less than $x for it and if I don't get that, that sucker can stay in the field until it drops".
Wow!!!! How heartless! I hope the mare makes a full recovery and goes on to have a very successful career with her new owner putting egg in the face of the previous owner. Please keep us updated on her recovery. Sending her some prayers. |
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Location: Great NW | I am Glad your mare has a happy ending. it happens in all Price catagories. I had a gelding that was sold for ALOT Of moolah and 5 years later he was found Starving in a junk yard - the girl had left for College and no longer wanted him. a high School girl got him for cheap and rehabbed him. She won on him and so did two others. I still feel hurt for the 2 years of neglect this awesome sweet horse lived thru. |
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| This is why so many are buried here. Many think that I should have sold my good, old rodeo mare as a youth horse. I couldn't bear the thought that she might not get the care that she deserves after taking such good care of me for so many years. Not to mention she is not exactly a babysitter. If you can hang on and just let her do her job she takes great care of herself and rider, but mess with her mouth and she will fight you ever step of they way (but not dangerously, just costly against the clock).
There is ignorance and there is plain neglect and abuse. Those ignorant of care can be educated, not so with those ignorant of common sense and decency.
I have paid good money for two different geldings just to get them out of their living situations. Both looked about as bad as the horse pictured earlier in this thread. |
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