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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Soooooo, they are reporting that Philip Seymore Hoffman had 50 bags of heroin in his home......wow. That's a lot.
They said the bags were stamped with Ace of Spades and Queen of Hearts. Who knows what that means? And, how much does 1 bag of heroin cost? |
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| One of them is a name that means the heroin was cut with a cancer pain reliever. It is reported that there have been over 100 deaths to "hot shot". Guess since it was labeled he knew it was in there. No idea how much heroin costs but I bet it is a lot. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I can't imagine 50 bags. They initially said 7 bags and I was thinking, "dang, that's a lot," now they are up to 50 bags. How much heroin can one person take? Goodness.
Heroin must make you feel awfully good for all of that mess. |
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| LRQHS - 2014-02-04 8:35 AM
I can't imagine 50 bags. They initially said 7 bags and I was thinking, "dang, that's a lot," now they are up to 50 bags. How much heroin can one person take? Goodness.
Heroin must make you feel awfully good for all of that mess.
I have never even smoked a cigarette but from the shows on TV addicts say that the first hight from heroin is unreal but you never get that again. They talk about chasing that first high, how addictive it is and how you have to doors and more as your tolerance goes up. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | rodeomom3 - 2014-02-04 8:38 AM LRQHS - 2014-02-04 8:35 AM I can't imagine 50 bags. They initially said 7 bags and I was thinking, "dang, that's a lot," now they are up to 50 bags. How much heroin can one person take? Goodness.
Heroin must make you feel awfully good for all of that mess. I have never even smoked a cigarette but from the shows on TV addicts say that the first hight from heroin is unreal but you never get that again. They talk about chasing that first high, how addictive it is and how you have to doors and more as your tolerance goes up.
That's pretty hard to imagine. Dang. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Where are you, Alison?? I know you have to know how much a bag of heroin is lol.....I mean, you work in Chicago, right? Surely you know....... |
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| In the Minneapolis area heroin is going for about $120-$150 for .5 grams. This would be about what would be used in a day, maybe 2-3 injections. This area does have some of the lowest cost and highest purity levels in the nation at this time (or at least from last years' figures).
I don't know the size of the baggies they found in the apartment, cost would really depend on weight. |
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          Location: Riding Crackhead. | I thought I had heard 70 bags but maybe I wasn't listening very well. I'm thoroughly disgusted on how the media is going on and on how wonderful this man was, so looked up to, amazing actor.....please. He OD'd. He had the stupid needle still stuck in his arm. What an idiot. |
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| The thing that irks me in that whole mess is the fact that he had that much. I guess he was caught on survelance videos at the ATM and then with a seller, but the amount of needles and such in his house, shouldn't someone have noticed? According to CNN heroin is one of the cheapest drugs out there, but it's purity is questionable because of what they cut it with. So it's pretty easy to OD according to them because some of the stuff they cut it with is pretty scary. |
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    Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-02-04 8:45 AM Where are you, Alison?? I know you have to know how much a bag of heroin is lol.....I mean, you work in Chicago, right? Surely you know.......
lmao
I have no idea, but I don't think it's cheap.
Sad, he was a very good actor. Dedicated to his craft. He'd been to rehab several times and relapsed. Heroin is bad bad stuff. Most people cannot kick it. I know it's not cheap... that krokodil junk is a cheaper sub for heroin. |
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    Location: Midwest | BTW I absolutely LOVED his performance in Almost Famous.... He had quite the resume. |
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| Which Alison do you want???? This one teaches in a substance abuse facility and I rarely even drink. I have a hard enough time with my mental faculties (because I am old) without drugs. Just a heads up, there is more than one of us. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I liked him in Cold Mountain. He was a good actor. They said they found him dead after he failed to pick his children up though. Sounds like he was getting high before going to get them.
I was thinking it was a little more expensive than that.
Who knows why they cut it with something else? Is it to weaken it? Always wondered why the "cut" drugs with something else.... |
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    Location: Midwest | Honeymoney - 2014-02-04 9:26 AM
Which Alison do you want???? This one teaches in a substance abuse facility and I rarely even drink. I have a hard enough time with my mental faculties (because I am old) without drugs. Just a heads up, there is more than one of us.
hey we both spell our name right!
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Honeymoney - 2014-02-04 9:26 AM Which Alison do you want???? This one teaches in a substance abuse facility and I rarely even drink. I have a hard enough time with my mental faculties (because I am old) without drugs. Just a heads up, there is more than one of us.
but, do you spell your name with one L too lol? My Alison uses one L. |
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | LRQHS - 2014-02-04 10:27 AM I liked him in Cold Mountain. He was a good actor. They said they found him dead after he failed to pick his children up though. Sounds like he was getting high before going to get them.
I was thinking it was a little more expensive than that.
Who knows why they cut it with something else? Is it to weaken it? Always wondered why the "cut" drugs with something else....
Next time someone comes in the ER room, ask - 
Back in the day it was anything - laundry detergent, rat poison, baking soda. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 3canstorun - 2014-02-04 9:30 AM LRQHS - 2014-02-04 10:27 AM I liked him in Cold Mountain. He was a good actor. They said they found him dead after he failed to pick his children up though. Sounds like he was getting high before going to get them.
I was thinking it was a little more expensive than that.
Who knows why they cut it with something else? Is it to weaken it? Always wondered why the "cut" drugs with something else.... Next time someone comes in the ER room, ask -
Back in the day it was anything - laundry detergent, rat poison, baking soda.
They get suspicious when you start asking questions like that lol. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-02-04 9:28 AM Honeymoney - 2014-02-04 9:26 AM Which Alison do you want???? This one teaches in a substance abuse facility and I rarely even drink. I have a hard enough time with my mental faculties (because I am old) without drugs. Just a heads up, there is more than one of us. hey we both spell our name right!  Alison with one "L"
Rought ro! Two Alison's with one L......who knew? |
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    Location: Midwest | Here is some heroin info Heroin is a highly potent opiate narcotic referred to on the street as “smack.” Of all the opiates, legal or illegal, it is the fastest acting which makes it the most abused and addictive opiate. Heroin is a derivative of morphine, a naturally-occurring opiate made from the seeds of certain poppy flowers. Heroin addicts report feeling a surge of pleasure and well-being after using that disappears within a few hours. When a heroin addict is looking for more heroin to abuse, it’s called “chasing the high.” Although it’s possible to buy pure heroin it’s more likely that heroin sold on the streets is “cut” or mixed with another substance to increase the profit margin. Sometimes heroin is cut with inert substances such as cornstarch, talcum, baby powder, or powdered milk. Other times heroin may be cut with other drugs including poisons such as strychnine, arsenic, or quinine. As heroin is often cut with other substances, it’s nearly impossible for a heroin addict to know the purity of the heroin they are purchasing, which increases the chances for negative health consequences such as overdose or death. There are a number of methods heroin addicts use to get high, including smoking, injecting, and snorting the heroin. All these methods result in quick delivery of the drug to the brain, which can lead to negative health problems and a high risk for addiction. Heroin addicts develop a tolerance to heroin, meaning that they require more and more to experience the desired high or rush. Soon heroin addicts spend all of their time, energy and money to obtain the drug to the exclusion of almost anything else. Heroin addicts face numerous interpersonal conflicts, loss of job, financial instability, decline in academic performance, and health-related consequences as a result of their continued heroin abuse. Heroin addiction is a long-term disease that causes changes in brain functioning which leads an addict to seek the drug no matter the consequences. GET CONFIDENTIAL HELP NOW:855.346.3919EMAIL US StatisticsIt has been estimated that of 4.2 million people (1.6%) in the U.S. ages 12 and older have used heroin. It’s approximated that over 23% of those who try heroin become addicted to it. The lifetime prevalence rates have been estimated at 1.7% of those ages 18-25, and 1.8% or adults 26 or older. Co-occurring DisordersThere are a number of disorders that co-occur with addiction to substances such as heroin. The most common co-occurring disorders include: - Mood disorders
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CausesWhile there has been much research performed, there has not been one single root cause identified as the cause for addiction. It’s likely a combination of factors working together. These may include: Genetic: Drug abuse is known to run in families and when individuals have a family history of heroin or other substance abuse. Individuals who have a first-degree relative who is addicted to heroin or another drug are more likely to develop an addiction later in life. Brain Chemistry: Heroin addiction causes changes in brain structures and chemicals which lead to cravings for the drug. Often individuals who develop heroin addiction are first given Vicodin for pain management, as this drug produces feelings similar to the euphoria of heroin abuse. If an individual develops an addiction to Vicodin, which is closely monitored by the DEA after a certain period of time, the prescription runs out. Often the only option similar to narcotic pain relievers is heroin, which can lead to heroin addiction. Environmental: Potential heroin users are often part of group whose members encourage participation in abusing heroin. When the person is exposed to this behavior at a young age, heroin is normalized. In addition, families in which addiction is a part of life model using heroin as a means of coping with negative emotions. Psychological: Many people who struggle with heroin addiction have undiagnosed or untreated mental illnesses. These people may abuse heroin in order to feel normal or to suppress the symptoms of their mental illness. If you feel that you are in crisis, or are having thoughts about hurting yourself or others, please call 9-1-1 or go to the nearest emergency room immediately. SymptomsDepending upon the length of time a person has been abusing heroin and the amount they use, the symptoms of heroin addiction may vary. The most common symptoms of heroin addiction include: Mood - Depression
- Anxiety
- Aggression
- Anger
- Irritability
- Mood swings
Behavioral - Aggression
- Violence
- Interpersonal problems
- Inability to interact normally with others
- Loss of relationships due to negative judgments related to the heroin use
- Unkempt appearance
- Drug-seeking behaviors
- Changes in normal behavior patterns
- Failure to fulfill major life responsibilities
- “Nodding off” in the middle of a conversation
- Problems at work or school
- Continued use despite negative consequences
- Lying
- Obtaining the drug through any means possible
- Continued use despite knowledge of increasing danger
- Lack of protective measures
- Hiding the drug in various places
Physical - Cravings
- Periods of hyperactivity followed by periods of fatigue
- Feeling disoriented
- Increased sleep
- Slurred speech
- Track marks
- Weight loss
- Malnutrition
- Constant runny nose
- Scabs or bruises due to skin picking caused by the sensation of bugs crawling beneath the skin
- Dizziness
- Headache
- Dry mouth
- Loss of self-control and inhibitory behavior
- Moving from abusing heroin to selling heroin to finance the habit
Psychological: - Emotional numbing
- Personality changes
- Hallucinations
- Delusions
- Psychosis
- Inability to think clearly
- Disorganized thoughts
EffectsThe effects of heroin abuse and addiction are far-reaching and extend to touch every aspect of an individual’s life. Continued use of heroin can lead to deadly consequences. Some effects of heroin addiction include: - Loss of appetite
- Tolerance
- Liver damage
- Respiratory depression
- Difficulty swallowing
- Nausea and vomiting
- Intense sweating
- Sleep apnea
- Joint pain
- Chills
- Body weakness
- Runny nose
- Increased blood pressure
- Increased respiratory rate
- Tachycardia
- Irritability
- Depression
- Anxiety
- Unsteady gait
- Suicidal ideation
- Trouble with the law
- Incarceration
- Respiratory arrest
- Circulatory problems
- Shock
- Coma
- Death
Withdrawal SymptomsHeroin has some of the strongest withdrawal symptoms of all opiates, largely due to the rapid onset and tolerance. A higher tolerance to heroin means the addict must take increasing amounts to achieve the same high, which can lead to much more severe withdrawal symptoms. Withdrawal from heroin should always be performed with the help of trained medical professionals in a safe environment. Withdrawal symptoms of heroin include: - Negative mood
- Nausea and vomiting
- Muscle aches and whole body pain
- Runny nose
- Nausea and vomiting
- Extreme sweating
- Chills
- Body weakness
- Runny nose
- Joint pain
- Increased blood pressure
- Cardiovascular problems
- Stroke
- Respiratory distress
- Insomnia
- Intense cravings
- Seizures
- Coma
- Death
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| They cut it to increase profits. Dealer can buy an ounce, keep some and add cut. Sells the same as he bought if he is just supporting a habit or turns an ounce into more weight to simply make money.
Some cuts (more in cocaine) aren't drugs, but powder from fitness/health stores. |
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     Location: Texas | LRQHS - 2014-02-04 9:27 AM I liked him in Cold Mountain. He was a good actor. They said they found him dead after he failed to pick his children up though. Sounds like he was getting high before going to get them.
I was thinking it was a little more expensive than that.
Who knows why they cut it with something else? Is it to weaken it? Always wondered why the "cut" drugs with something else....
I thought they cut it with stuff to make it go further. You have the really pure crap, but junkies will buy it no matter what you put in it... so cut in some stuff and tada doubled/tripled/or quadrupled your profits.
That is my guess, I don't know much about heroin. I could ask my aunt though. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Very interesting. They cut it with baby powder and arsenic. Good grief. Nothing like injecting a little baby powder in your vein. |
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     Location: Texas | LRQHS - 2014-02-04 9:40 AM Very interesting. They cut it with baby powder and arsenic. Good grief. Nothing like injecting a little baby powder in your vein.
Makes you feel baby fresh. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Also, I've heard of "smack," but never knew they were calling heroin that.
Sounds like they cut it with whatever they have lying around. That is some scary mess there. |
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     Location: N Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-04 9:14 AM
I thought I had heard 70 bags but maybe I wasn't listening very well. I'm thoroughly disgusted on how the media is going on and on how wonderful this man was, so looked up to, amazing actor.....please. He OD'd. He had the stupid needle still stuck in his arm. What an idiot.
That's what's so annoying...people calling this "devastating" and "heartbreaking". HE DID THIS TO HIMSELF!! No, I don't want to see people die, but I can't exactly feel sorry for them when it's self-inflicted and 100% avoidable. |
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    Location: Midwest | Actors are a bit of a dramatic bunch. Mix in the fame and the drugs and you have a recipe for disaster many times. From what I can tell he was a nice man, but very troubled by substance abuse and mental issues. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | pinx05 - 2014-02-04 9:42 AM LRQHS - 2014-02-04 9:40 AM Very interesting. They cut it with baby powder and arsenic. Good grief. Nothing like injecting a little baby powder in your vein. Makes you feel baby fresh.
I guess lol. Surprise you just bought $500 of baby powder...or rat poison.....thanks for your business.....come again if you make it. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Well, I have decided to go ahead and scratch trying heroin off of my bucket list.
Alison, we will just have to find something else to do should you ever come for a visit |
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        Location: MD | Actually, you have to cut a drug with something. In it's purest form, it would kill a person the first time they used. As for it being sad, nobody is asking anyone to feel sorry for someone because they OD'ed. The compassion and sympathy that one might have is for the fact that a soul has become so lost. |
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    Location: Midwest | LRQHS - 2014-02-04 9:57 AM
Well, I have decided to go ahead and scratch trying heroin off of my bucket list.
Alison, we will just have to find something else to do should you ever come for a visit
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| WrapSnap - 2014-02-04 10:28 AM Actually, you have to cut a drug with something. In it's purest form, it would kill a person the first time they used. As for it being sad, nobody is asking anyone to feel sorry for someone because they OD'ed. The compassion and sympathy that one might have is for the fact that a soul has become so lost.
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| nance - 2014-02-04 9:23 PM
WrapSnap - 2014-02-04 10:28 AM Actually, you have to cut a drug with something. In it's purest form, it would kill a person the first time they used. As for it being sad, nobody is asking anyone to feel sorry for someone because they OD'ed. The compassion and sympathy that one might have is for the fact that a soul has become so lost.
Well said.
And some compassion for the children he left behind ...
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| It sucks that actors/actresses use illegal drugs. It is sad that the authorities don't punish these abusers more. It is sad that famous people's lawyers can get them off with a misnomer if they do get caught and rehab is voluntary.
As it really sucks for the children left behind. Prayers to his children and the other children left without a parent due to the drug overdoses. |
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     Location: In a happy place | WrapSnap - 2014-02-04 9:28 AM Actually, you have to cut a drug with something. In it's purest form, it would kill a person the first time they used. As for it being sad, nobody is asking anyone to feel sorry for someone because they OD'ed. The compassion and sympathy that one might have is for the fact that a soul has become so lost.
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| I was watching one of the addiction reality shows and I don't know if it was crack or heroine but the users all had trash cans and plastic bags ready because the drugs made them throw up over and over again. It is sad that the addiction is so powerful that they will put themselves through that. As others have said, prayers for the children and family left behind. Prayers others learn and don't go down that road. |
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          Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Thanks for explaining Wrap. Makes sense. This post has taught me things that I didn't know before. |
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