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| So once, we (the bank I work for) reposessed a herd of horses. This was a herd of older TB broodmares and several years worth of unregistered young horses. We were trying to dump them for $200 each to reduce the feed bill. Some of the young fillies were really nice looking animals, just never registered or broke. People would come and try to dicker me down the price or try to arrange a payment schedule. Seriously...$200 and you need to make payments? A few did ask for delivery. Pretty crazy what people will ask for. |
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Location: Phoenix | That's ridiculous. We had a guy call in and every time he calls, he asks for a discount on his rental so "he can continue his business with us". I get it, but seriously....we're all about customer service but eventually the line has to be drawn....I think he had worked it so he was getting nearly 25% off. |
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Location: MD | hammer_time - 2014-02-04 1:47 PM
That's ridiculous. We had a guy call in and every time he calls, he asks for a discount on his rental so "he can continue his business with us". I get it, but seriously....we're all about customer service but eventually the line has to be drawn....I think he had worked it so he was getting nearly 25% off.
I'll remember that when I buy my groceries...
I'll just tell the checker, "uhh, I would like to continue my business here, but only if you cut the price down a significant amount."
I'm sure he'll help me. Some people are such weasels. |
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| My stories would fill pages from last year when I had to liquidate part of my herd. These were 2 Bully sons, 1 Special Leader/EJ filly, and a Special Contender daughter oo a Hot Colors daughter. They were priced to sell, but I guess that just means you'll take even less? Some of the requests were crazy. I didn't mind video requests on the one BB son on the pattern already and had 3 readily available. But yeah, I had peeps calling from across the country wanting to pay half the already uber super duper low price and to throw in me hauling the horse 1000+ miles.
The nice thing was that I had so many calls and emails that I was able to wade through and find the perfect home and situation for all of them. Eventually. |
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| I have had people ask if we would offer as a lowball offer than ask if we could take $200 off that for the cost of fuel to come get the horse... |
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| ShiningSRanch - 2014-02-04 2:04 PM
I have had people ask if we would offer as a lowball offer than ask if we could take $200 off that for the cost of fuel to come get the horse...
This is basically what she did. "Well, I really want the horse but you are so far away... blah blah blah.."
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Location: Deep South | I have one little horse priced at $1800 right now. She's just solid broke, pretty to look at but that's it. Not finished in a discipline, nothing spectacular on her papers, just recognizable working/all around lines. I priced her with a little wiggle room, but I really do think it's fair for the handle she has on her. I had one girl ask me if she could make $100 payments on her, had no down payment. And one offer $800 for her, "because it was a long drive for them to come get her." Really???? No, I'm not going to wait a year and half for full payment on the horse and no I'm not taking less than half the asking price because you are shopping for horses outside of your driving range!
I never have requests THIS ridiculous on higher priced horses, but maybe I just haven't sold enough of those yet? |
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| It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated.
Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring.
There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag.
Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500.
People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not.
I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM
It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated.
Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring.
There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag.
Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500.
People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not.
I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers.
The sad thing this happens every week
Well, when you have a fully trained son of Bully, been hauled some, b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l to behold, and priced just slightly higher than the stud fee, and you get offers of $1000, wanting me to haul to gosh only knows where in the midwest on top of that, then I think there is room to comment.
Selling horses is tough. I didn't sit and bellyache while I was doing it, but I feel that I can make some generic comments now. Where else but here on BHW where there are peeps who have gone through/are going through similar situations? I don't think I'd share the stories with peeps who didn't know horses, or barrel horses, they wouldn't gain any insight or share a chuckle. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM
It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated.
Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring.
There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag.
Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500.
People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not.
I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers.
The sad thing this happens every week
I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! |
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| 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM
It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated.
Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring.
There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag.
Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500.
People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not.
I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers.
The sad thing this happens every week
I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break!
You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful.
I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers. |
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Location: N Texas | Yes. I've sold a few horses over the years and have been asked some really crazy stuff. Had a horse priced at $900, they wanted to pay $700 and get free delivery. Had another priced at $1800, they wanted to pay $800 because they would have to pay to have the horse transported.
When horses are "priced for a quick sale", it's like a cue for the cheapskates to come out of the woodwork with their crazy requests because they figure if you really have to sell the horse bad enough... |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:10 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful. I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers.
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Location: Deep South | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:10 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful. I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers.
I for one don't understand how you can even classify the people in some of these stories as potential buyers. They are tire kickers, plain and simple.
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| BamaCanChaser - 2014-02-04 3:31 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:10 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful. I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers. I for one don't understand how you can even classify the people in some of these stories as potential buyers. They are tire kickers, plain and simple.
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Location: Texas! | Never hurts to ask! All the seller can do is say no! (this is how my father lives his life about EVERYTHING lol) but really it is true. Like someone else said it's a buyers market and people are looking for and getting good deals. I usually ask what the best cash offer they would consider so as to not offend with a lowball offer, sometimes the response is less than what I was willing to give so yay go me got a better deal than anticipated! |
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:10 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful. I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers.
If there was one specific in this post I think it would have gone *poof* without a doubt.
The people who ended up buying my guys are all great homes and people. So where is there any disrespect?? |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2014-02-04 3:31 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:10 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful. I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers.
I for one don't understand how you can even classify the people in some of these stories as potential buyers. They are tire kickers, plain and simple.
Anyone who calls can be a potential buyer.
There are horses I have seen listed on Facebook who have similar breeding to what I have and people are asking double if not more.
If people do their research and find similar bloodlines for half the price, I see nothing wrong with offering what they have seen, and I wouldn't consider them a tire kicker, I would consider them well researched.
I just think it is unprofessional to be on a barrel forum complaining about conversations one is having while trying to sell.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:53 PM BamaCanChaser - 2014-02-04 3:31 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 3:10 PM 3ToBurn - 2014-02-04 3:02 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I agree it is the buyer right to negotiate the best deal they can, but there is a level of respect the should be met. There is nothing wrong with a seller, buyer or anybody else talking about it. If she were runing a broker business that might be one thing, but selling her own horse, give me a break! You speak about respect, and you find it respectful for someone to come onto a public sight that does a lot of horse ads and bash the potential buyers offers, that is very disrespectful. I am actually surprised the site mods allow this as in a round about way it affects their business. Who want to purchase a horse listed on a site that publicly bashes potential buyers and offers. I for one don't understand how you can even classify the people in some of these stories as potential buyers. They are tire kickers, plain and simple.
Anyone who calls can be a potential buyer. There are horses I have seen listed on Facebook who have similar breeding to what I have and people are asking double if not more. If people do their research and find similar bloodlines for half the price, I see nothing wrong with offering what they have seen, and I wouldn't consider them a tire kicker, I would consider them well researched. I just think it is unprofessional to be on a barrel forum complaining about conversations one is having while trying to sell.
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| cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 1:32 PM
It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated.
Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring.
There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag.
Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500.
People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not.
I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers.
The sad thing this happens every week
I have to somewhat agree with you here. I honestly can't believe what some folks are asking for some horses. When I am looking for a horse and I am serious about it I am going to offer what I think the horse is worth. If they don't accept I walk away. There are TONS of horses out there, same calibur for way less then what some people want for their horses. I agree it is a Buyers market and if you have your horse overpriced, people are going to move on. If you have had a horse for sale for months and no one has purchased it but lots of asked about it maybe that is a sign you have it over priced.
There is no harm in asking the seller if they will take less. If you don't want to take their offer then all you have to say is no thank you and wait for the next person. |
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Location: sunny california | SassyPirate - 2014-02-04 2:33 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 1:32 PM It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated. Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring. There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag. Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500. People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not. I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers. The sad thing this happens every week I have to somewhat agree with you here. I honestly can't believe what some folks are asking for some horses. When I am looking for a horse and I am serious about it I am going to offer what I think the horse is worth. If they don't accept I walk away. There are TONS of horses out there, same calibur for way less then what some people want for their horses. I agree it is a Buyers market and if you have your horse overpriced, people are going to move on. If you have had a horse for sale for months and no one has purchased it but lots of asked about it maybe that is a sign you have it over priced. There is no harm in asking the seller if they will take less. If you don't want to take their offer then all you have to say is no thank you and wait for the next person.
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I have to take a notes from these buyers. I always buy far away and always have to haul. I have only asked for a $200 off a price once and it was on a $2200 horse) and then paid $1100 to ship him to me. From what I'm hearing I should have only offered $1000..... I usually just pay the asking price but do the research and find horses that fit me and are worth what they are asking.
There will always be bargain hunters and low ball offers. I'm dealing with it right now too. I have my script to kindly decline saved to copy and paste.
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| There is a big difference between potential buyers and tire kickers…
We all need to vent once in awhile (selling horses can be extremely frustrating!) and some people just need to learn to lighten up. Life is too short! |
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Location: MD | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-04 2:32 PM
It is still a buyers market, and I have seen some prices very inflated.
Some people are asking more money for a not started grand get of frenchmans guy then for a direct frenchmans offspring.
There are some people that are saying their horses have 1d potential but is only running 3d but are asking 1d price tag.
Then some people's definition of cheap is 10,000 whereas others is 500.
People are trying to get the best deal, you can either take or not.
I do find it unprofessional that someone who is selling a horse is complaining publicly about their conversations with prospective buyers.
The sad thing this happens every week
It is FAR less of a buyer's market than it was this time last year. Heritage Place sale results will show that much. As for unstarted grandget of FG selling for more than direct get, well maybe the grandget has more quality. It may be a buyer's market in some areas and some people's eyes, but it's still a seller's right to list their horses for whatever amount they so chose. I also price my young horses about 90 days ahead of where they currently are in their career. The way I see it, if I've got one that is easing trough to the top of the 3D and I feel like they'll be running hard in 90 days, I can either be paid accordingly, or I'll put 90 more days of hauling into them.
As for what people define as cheap being varied, boy you couldn't be more correct! Heck, even more dreaded around here is the word "reasonable". I can't tell you how many phone calls I get looking for patterned, running horses who just need hauling, with 1D potential (meaning to most that they're running in the 2D now with some greenie bobbles, apparently) and "reasonably" priced at or below $5,000. Of course, there is always some jackwagon somewhere listing their Proven 1D, arena record holding, finished barrel horse that won the Wednesday night jackpot in Passamaquoddy for $3,500 to give those folks hope!
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Location: Sorrow Not! Defending against workplace bullies | I have always paid full price....but I will only buy from sellers who are respectful and happily answer my questions. I had a seller treat me so rudely for asking health questions about a horse that it truly shocked me. I then checked and the horse had been passed around a LOT. I dont know why and if I would have asked I am sure the owner would have gone off on me again. I would never buy from someone like that.
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Location: Central TX | I Had a pro horse (TOP 1D ALL THE TIME) listed at a freaking STEAL for 45k when my husband and i divorced a few years ago. (would have listed the horse at about 75 otherwise) Had a lady come down to texas from SD, waste SO much of my time, make me pay for more than a grand worth of x-rays and stuff because she refused to pay if buying such an expensive horse (totally took advantage of my divorce situation cause she knew i need the $$) and then she offered me 25K and asked me to drive it to NEBRASKA from S. TX!!! I WOULD LOVE TO MAKE HER NAME PUBLIC TO THIS DAY!!! I am VERY careful about who i sell horses to these days!! If you pull anything I will happily pass up your money!!!
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Location: MD | I would just like to say that I take no offense to someone pitching me an offer. I have no problem politely declining an offer that is below my bottom line for a horse. I do have a problem with someone contacting me about a horse that is priced at $10k, asking a bunch of questions, requesting additional videos, etc... and then saying "Well, I only have $4,500 to spend, so I hope you'll go that low.". If you are going to pitch me a lowball, I simply ask that you be courteous to ask up front and not wait until after you spend an hour on the phone with me. |
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Location: Canada | I agreed with WrapSnap, if I have a horse priced out of someone's price range but their honest before wasting my time I am much more willing (if I can) to work with the buyer on price.
I once had a lady call and ask about a horse and if I was firm on price and I was. She came and rode him spent forever chatting and again asked if I was firm on price (again I said I was).
She called and wanted to try him again so set up another try to be sure. She rides him everywhere then offers half the price because she only wanted him for trail riding not barrels. I was livid to say the least.
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