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 Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | EPM kit by Effective Pet Medicines?
My mare is having some issues, I looked into HeadShakers Syndrome and doing that research I realized I hadn't been giving a product that I had been last summer that is high in Magnesium which is recommended for horse with HSS along with some other things, masks, Dex, ect. In the course of finding out more info on here someone mentioned EPM so having her tested for that also. Has anyone used this holistic medicine before and if so with what results? |
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 Midget Lover
 
Location: Kentucky | EPM is something I wouldn't mess around with. If you suspect it, I would have your vet test the horse and get them on a medication they recommend. |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | She is being tested...I'm trying to do it right however it isn't like I make a ton of money so I'm trying to also figure out a solution money wise for both of us. Doesn't do me any good to have her tested and buy the most expensive treatment if I can't feed her afterwards.... just trying to get more info. |
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | run n rate - 2014-02-04 7:24 PM She is being tested...I'm trying to do it right however it isn't like I make a ton of money so I'm trying to also figure out a solution money wise for both of us. Doesn't do me any good to have her tested and buy the most expensive treatment if I can't feed her afterwards.... just trying to get more info.
I understand. The treatment I used was only $150 a month. It worked great. You don't have to spend $500 a month on treatments. |
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Extreme Veteran
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| personally I have used marqui which I wouldn't suggest -my horse was miserable that month and I didn't see improvement and it was like $900.00- I still had to do the 30 days of $150 treatment twice- finally improved only to get the symptoms back about 1 year later that time I did the iv dyclasoryl (im sure I didn't spell that right) anyhow it was a 5 day treatment he was fine through it - then I did put him on animal element detox and immune which really seemed to help him come back after the treatment he is great now |
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 Ms. Poutability
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Location: In my own world | Murphy - 2014-02-04 6:34 PM run n rate - 2014-02-04 7:24 PM She is being tested...I'm trying to do it right however it isn't like I make a ton of money so I'm trying to also figure out a solution money wise for both of us. Doesn't do me any good to have her tested and buy the most expensive treatment if I can't feed her afterwards.... just trying to get more info. I understand. The treatment I used was only $150 a month. It worked great. You don't have to spend $500 a month on treatments.
What treatment did you use, if you don't mind me asking? I treated my mare with the expensive stuff. I think she needs another round but dang $$$. It was $800 |
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 Super PIckle
Location: Where ever | http://www.horsehealthusa.com/details/Health-E/493-20.html
http://www.horsehealthusa.com/details/ParaNex-Recovery/656-5.html
I do this also
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | livinonlove&horses - 2014-02-04 10:23 PM Murphy - 2014-02-04 6:34 PM run n rate - 2014-02-04 7:24 PM She is being tested...I'm trying to do it right however it isn't like I make a ton of money so I'm trying to also figure out a solution money wise for both of us. Doesn't do me any good to have her tested and buy the most expensive treatment if I can't feed her afterwards.... just trying to get more info. I understand. The treatment I used was only $150 a month. It worked great. You don't have to spend $500 a month on treatments.
Sulfadiazine/Pyrimethamine. |
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 Dr. Ruth
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | I almost typed something out but I am going to refrain from saying something snarky (and not at you run-I GET your situation).
Text Barbie. She has that kit I think. She also has an ulcer kit she keeps trying to get me to try but I alreayd know the situation of everyone. ALSO, look into other treatments. You can do some other things and not spend $150 a month or anything else like that. I COMPLETELY understand the budget deal. There are other ways.
PS-I am sending you an email right now...we can b!tch about having horses down for the count there. :) |
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Midget Lover
Location: Kentucky | sassy&tessa - 2014-02-05 9:01 AM I almost typed something out but I am going to refrain from saying something snarky (and not at you run-I GET your situation).
Text Barbie. She has that kit I think. She also has an ulcer kit she keeps trying to get me to try but I alreayd know the situation of everyone. ALSO, look into other treatments. You can do some other things and not spend $150 a month or anything else like that. I COMPLETELY understand the budget deal. There are other ways.
PS-I am sending you an email right now...we can b!tch about having horses down for the count there. :)
I hope this wasn't in response to my post. I looked up the EPM kit and it looks to be $325 (unless I'm reading it wrong). I think there are other treatments out there that a vet will prescribe that is much cheaper and still effective. There is no way I could have afforded $500+ for medicine, so I know what it's like to be on a budget. |
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | I just finished a $130 3 wk treatment of Rebalance. It sure helped mine.
Edited: My vet knows that money is an issue for me. He didn't run any expensive tests (which apparently don't really diagnose effectively anyway). He gave me the meds and said if it works you can pay me. If not, we'll start over and this is on me. YES, I have a remarkable vet. 
Edited by CanCan 2014-02-05 9:05 AM
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Elite Veteran
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| All EPM cases are not uniform in treatment in my opinion and several vets. I had a fast onset neuro case last yr that we treated with diclazuril and the kill off was too fast and he had to be put down. After discussing my case with Hagyard and other vets I will treat my next epm case slowly and will most likely use Dr. Williams compunded product. He has a very high success rate and has seen a lot of cases at the track. |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Thank you everyone for your responses. Yes money is an issue. I work my butt off but unfortunately didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up and after working 3 jobs to put myself thru the first year of college decided heck with it, why pay good money to take classes I had no idea whether I was going to use or not. Now 30 years later I regret it, I work my butt off in a dead end job, after 10 years I finally bring home about $1.50 above minimum wage, not married so there is no spouse to pay my way. I try not to ask my fiancé for money because the horses are mine, I want to do it. He actually is paying for the EPM test and if she has it he has said he will pay for the treatment also but I know we need to be smart about it, I hate that I can't do this on my own for her. She is amazing and it kills me there may be nothing I can do.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/tuckercan/RBRCPlayday002.jpg |
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 Over Informed
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Location: West Tennessee | run n rate - 2014-02-05 10:21 AM Thank you everyone for your responses. Yes money is an issue. I work my butt off but unfortunately didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up and after working 3 jobs to put myself thru the first year of college decided heck with it, why pay good money to take classes I had no idea whether I was going to use or not. Now 30 years later I regret it, I work my butt off in a dead end job, after 10 years I finally bring home about $1.50 above minimum wage, not married so there is no spouse to pay my way. I try not to ask my fiancé for money because the horses are mine, I want to do it. He actually is paying for the EPM test and if she has it he has said he will pay for the treatment also but I know we need to be smart about it, I hate that I can't do this on my own for her. She is amazing and it kills me there may be nothing I can do. http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/tuckercan/RBRCPlayday002.jpg...
 You're not alone. My only suggestion might be to treat, regardless of test results if you feel it might be EPM? It might change your choice of treatment but not necessarily whether to treat or not. Good luck |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | That's my gut feeling too, treat regardless, give her the best chance to kick whatever this is. She is a big beautiful mare, 11 this year. She took to running barrels like a duck to water, not that she is a 1D horse but she loves to go hunt a can to turn and has since day one. I ride at an arena that is 200X300, if you pitch her the reins she will keep working herself in to the barrels and end up loping circles around one of them. Just a joy to be around her entire life, showed her in a WP walk/jog class on her 6th ride ever, the kind of horse that gets every part of the bridle in her mouth on the way to the bit. |
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 Hummer's Hero
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | I remember your other post, and I was the one that suggested testing for EPM because your horse had a lot of the same symptoms as mine. I treated mine with Oroquin 10, for $225 or so for the 10 day paste treatment. I was happy with the results, and I maintain her on Animal Element Detox and Vit E, for just under $2 per day. I did ask my vet about retreating if it ever becomes necesary, and she said it's perfectly safe, so that made me feel better. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | run n rate - 2014-02-05 11:54 AM That's my gut feeling too, treat regardless, give her the best chance to kick whatever this is. She is a big beautiful mare, 11 this year. She took to running barrels like a duck to water, not that she is a 1D horse but she loves to go hunt a can to turn and has since day one. I ride at an arena that is 200X300, if you pitch her the reins she will keep working herself in to the barrels and end up loping circles around one of them. Just a joy to be around her entire life, showed her in a WP walk/jog class on her 6th ride ever, the kind of horse that gets every part of the bridle in her mouth on the way to the bit.
Copied the photo over here for you
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Location: Beggs, OK | CanCan - 2014-02-05 9:02 AM I just finished a $130 3 wk treatment of Rebalance. It sure helped mine.
Edited: My vet knows that money is an issue for me. He didn't run any expensive tests (which apparently don't really diagnose effectively anyway). He gave me the meds and said if it works you can pay me. If not, we'll start over and this is on me. YES, I have a remarkable vet.
We are currently treating an older gelding with ReBalance and he's responding to it really well. It's my cheap go-to drug to see if they'll respond to treatment.
...but, FYI I get it for $75 from my vet. It's crazy the different mark-up prices that you get with vet meds. |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | How long has your mare been "free" of EPM symptoms on this treatment? And thank you for the input. I fell in love with this mare when she was 6 days old and cant imagine life without her.
http://s97.photobucket.com/user/tuckercan/story/24611#media-player
The video, if it works is her at 3 bridless, she is only the 2nd horse I had ever started from the ground up so I find that she was this easy more who she is than what I could have possible done for her. |
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Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | barrelracr131 - 2014-02-06 10:48 AM
run n rate - 2014-02-05 11:54 AM That's my gut feeling too, treat regardless, give her the best chance to kick whatever this is. She is a big beautiful mare, 11 this year. She took to running barrels like a duck to water, not that she is a 1D horse but she loves to go hunt a can to turn and has since day one. I ride at an arena that is 200X300, if you pitch her the reins she will keep working herself in to the barrels and end up loping circles around one of them. Just a joy to be around her entire life, showed her in a WP walk/jog class on her 6th ride ever, the kind of horse that gets every part of the bridle in her mouth on the way to the bit.
Copied the photo over here for you
OMG_ Thank you!!! That is her at 5, all 16.2 hands of her at the time, she now tops out at just a smidge under 17. Vet says she 17 hands, I say 16.3 because everyone rolls their eyes when you say you have a horse that is 17 hands, LOL!!! |
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Elite Veteran
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| I don't know where your located, but Dr. Williams is at Lone Star Park. His compunded product is something likr $150 for treatment. He might be able to ship. Give him a call, nice nice guy. |
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EPM...anyone ever use