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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I have to admit, I have been LOVING the dry, snowless winter here in Northern AZ. But I know the reprocussions. The feed store bumped prices up $1.50/bale in less than one week last we got hay. Not looking foward to the drought prices this summer. Sending rain vibes your way... |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | As people water their lawns and golf courses are gettin their fair share! Got to love it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | We need it here to , so dry and having wild fires, a hay farmer down the road lost his barn full of hay this week to a fire that started by someone throwing their cig out the window, got one of his tractors to.
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Location: Southwest Minnesota | I will definitely pray for rain for you!!! I just did the math on how much it would cost me per year to feed my 5 horses at what you are paying for hay and about crapped in my pants. I definitely would not be able to have horses at that price per bale. |
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Location: So. California | Praying for rain
The entire west coast needs rain, and snow for the mountains. The cost of food is going up, up, up! Hay prices increased $1.50/bale this week alone. I don't even want to think about what the price will be in the summer. I don't think I've ever seen it this dry... |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Wish I could send you the two inches we are supposed to get over the next two days. Our place is just now starting to dry out a little.
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I saw this on FaceBook a while ago. I am on the east side of the Sierra's and before our little rain the first part of this month we hadn't seen a drop since November 21st. It is so dry, there is no feed to speak of and the cattlemen have no idea what they are going to do this year. Pastures are dry as bone. L.A. Department of Water and Power have shut down some wells in our area that are used for pasture irrigation and stock water and told the leasees they can keep their animals on the leases but will have to haul water from somewhere else to fill their tanks.
Some of our lakes have lost so much water the boat marinas are now closed. There is nothing left but some little puddles in the middle connected by tiny streams flowing to the creeks below. Our economy in the Eastern Sierra depends on snowpack. In the last two weeks 4 local businesses have been shut down do to a lack of tourism. No snow, no skiing, no tourists.
I think the last I hear our snowpack was at an average of 12%.
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | cyount2009 - 2014-02-10 9:09 AM http://unofficialnetworks.com/nasa-shows-bad-california-drought-127... I saw this on FaceBook a while ago. I am on the east side of the Sierra's and before our little rain the first part of this month we hadn't seen a drop since November 21st. It is so dry, there is no feed to speak of and the cattlemen have no idea what they are going to do this year. Pastures are dry as bone. L.A. Department of Water and Power have shut down some wells in our area that are used for pasture irrigation and stock water and told the leasees they can keep their animals on the leases but will have to haul water from somewhere else to fill their tanks. Some of our lakes have lost so much water the boat marinas are now closed. There is nothing left but some little puddles in the middle connected by tiny streams flowing to the creeks below. Our economy in the Eastern Sierra depends on snowpack. In the last two weeks 4 local businesses have been shut down do to a lack of tourism. No snow, no skiing, no tourists. I think the last I hear our snowpack was at an average of 12%.
Its bad! I know. The RV park my husband stays at has lawn's, I called the office and spoke with the manager asked her to please stop watering (167 spaces, with water running down the roads) because of the drought, she said CA is NOT in a drought, if it was they would have been notified! True story.... |
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cyount2009 - 2014-02-10 9:09 AM http://unofficialnetworks.com/nasa-shows-bad-california-drought-127... I saw this on FaceBook a while ago. I am on the east side of the Sierra's and before our little rain the first part of this month we hadn't seen a drop since November 21st. It is so dry, there is no feed to speak of and the cattlemen have no idea what they are going to do this year. Pastures are dry as bone. L.A. Department of Water and Power have shut down some wells in our area that are used for pasture irrigation and stock water and told the leasees they can keep their animals on the leases but will have to haul water from somewhere else to fill their tanks. Some of our lakes have lost so much water the boat marinas are now closed. There is nothing left but some little puddles in the middle connected by tiny streams flowing to the creeks below. Our economy in the Eastern Sierra depends on snowpack. In the last two weeks 4 local businesses have been shut down do to a lack of tourism. No snow, no skiing, no tourists. I think the last I hear our snowpack was at an average of 12%.
WHAAA?!?! Apparently that lady hasn't been watching, reading or listening to the news! I have heard several times on a national news channel there are several "small" communities in the LA area that are being warned their reservoirs are going to run dry leaving them with out water.
There is a bill being submitted asking that the reconstruction of the Sacramento be held off until the drought is over so the water can be redirected to the farmers instead of the salmon. I hope and pray this bill passes, if not I don't what the central valley farmers are going to do. I have heard people say if the farmers don't get their water they just wont make their millions. What they don't understand is what affects the farmers bank account will in turn affect theirs especially with the loss of federal substitees. You can't explain that to someone who has no clue how farming works. They just don't get it. |
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Location: Arizona | It's been so dry here in AZ too...I'm dreading the summer. We normally get rain in January and in February, we haven't seen a drop in such a long time. Our temperatures are going to be in the upper 80's by the weekend, ugh good grief! Please send the rain!!
I can't even imagine paying $21 for a bale of hay, yikes! I pay $10 for a bale of alfalfa, and I'm hoping my farmer will lower his prices soon, lol!! |
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I will not be praying for rain though, because right now, if my prayer was answered and whoever answers them got confused on location, and it rained here, we'd be in a huge pickle.
Right now our ground frost is over 20 inches deep and the pond ice is 22 inches deep. The snow is over a foot deep. If it rained, like I said, we'd be in a huge mess. We certainly don't need flooding when it's this cold along with snow melt! |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Just wondering, can you get enough people together to buy a semi load. My husband and I broker and deliver hay locally in KS and can buy really nice 3x4 bales of brome for $115 a ton right now. Average price for brome is around $100/ton right now locally. My point is, can you haul it in cheaper than buying local hay? I did the math...and using your current price my my husband could make about $12K on an 800 bale load (which he can't actually do, he doesn't have Cali authority, nor would his truck get past a "sniffer"), but it wouldn't be hard to find someone to do it, and probaly for less. We could've done something similar a couple of years ago in TX, but chose not too because we heard of too many loads getting stolen. That and I have moral qualms about taking advantage of drought victims...
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | My dad worked hydro for PG&E. Just retired (well he technically retires April 1). He has been watching water for 20 years. I was born and raised in California and in northern california. Our family is back there and I have a lot of friends there and a lot who are in agriculture. My dad said he has never seen the snow pack like this. To the person who said this happens every 30 years, my dad said it is longer than that.
Southern California is actually in better shape than northern california, believe it or not. They have better water infrastructure and have been stealing water from northern california for so long they have a lot saved in storage (yes, that is my opinion, the stealing part, not the infrastructure). However, it isn't enough.
There were people that were trying to get the feds to intervene right around the farm bill and temporarily suspend some EPA stuff, like the stupid smelt legislation, that would bring back water via the Delta. Good ole Feinstein didn't let that happen. It is insane how far removed she is. How does she keep getting elected?
Anyways, they say 500,000 acres are going to be fallow because of the drought. At a minimum. Folks, you don't know what high price of food is until you see what happens when California can't produce. They are VITAL to agriculture. VITAL. More importantly, it will take YEARS to rebuild some of the permanent plantings if they die. YEARS.
In the last drought a few years ago, east side farmers of the San Joaquin River you were all right as the wells were likely still able to pump and you were getting run off from the snow pak in the Sierras. That is not a true statement this year. Too much salt and crap in there and the water is no good.
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| sassy&tessa - 2014-02-10 3:55 PM
My dad worked hydro for PG&E. Just retired (well he technically retires April 1). He has been watching water for 20 years. I was born and raised in California and in northern california. Our family is back there and I have a lot of friends there and a lot who are in agriculture. My dad said he has never seen the snow pack like this. To the person who said this happens every 30 years, my dad said it is longer than that.
Southern California is actually in better shape than northern california, believe it or not. They have better water infrastructure and have been stealing water from northern california for so long they have a lot saved in storage (yes, that is my opinion, the stealing part, not the infrastructure). However, it isn't enough.
There were people that were trying to get the feds to intervene right around the farm bill and temporarily suspend some EPA stuff, like the stupid smelt legislation, that would bring back water via the Delta. Good ole Feinstein didn't let that happen. It is insane how far removed she is. How does she keep getting elected?
Anyways, they say 500,000 acres are going to be fallow because of the drought. At a minimum. Folks, you don't know what high price of food is until you see what happens when California can't produce. They are VITAL to agriculture. VITAL. More importantly, it will take YEARS to rebuild some of the permanent plantings if they die. YEARS.
In the last drought a few years ago, east side farmers of the San Joaquin River you were all right as the wells were likely still able to pump and you were getting run off from the snow pak in the Sierras. That is not a true statement this year. Too much salt and crap in there and the water is no good.
I think most people (especially urbanites in California) underestimate the power of California agriculture. Without CA agriculture, the state of California would have went bankrupt in the recession. Literally. California agriculture was and still is one of their main sources of revenue.
Southern California is not in any better shape. They get a huge amount of their water from the run off on the Eastern side of the Sierra Nevada range. Some reports state LA gets roughly just under half their water from this valley.
http://environmentla.com/programs/aboutwater.htm
LA can only have as much water as the resources it gets it from and right now this resource, the one that provides just under half the drinking water to LA, is dry.
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Location: Arizona | sassy&tessa - 2014-02-10 2:55 PM
My dad worked hydro for PG&E. Just retired (well he technically retires April 1). He has been watching water for 20 years. I was born and raised in California and in northern california. Our family is back there and I have a lot of friends there and a lot who are in agriculture. My dad said he has never seen the snow pack like this. To the person who said this happens every 30 years, my dad said it is longer than that.
Southern California is actually in better shape than northern california, believe it or not. They have better water infrastructure and have been stealing water from northern california for so long they have a lot saved in storage (yes, that is my opinion, the stealing part, not the infrastructure). However, it isn't enough.
There were people that were trying to get the feds to intervene right around the farm bill and temporarily suspend some EPA stuff, like the stupid smelt legislation, that would bring back water via the Delta. Good ole Feinstein didn't let that happen. It is insane how far removed she is. How does she keep getting elected?
Anyways, they say 500,000 acres are going to be fallow because of the drought. At a minimum. Folks, you don't know what high price of food is until you see what happens when California can't produce. They are VITAL to agriculture. VITAL. More importantly, it will take YEARS to rebuild some of the permanent plantings if they die. YEARS.
In the last drought a few years ago, east side farmers of the San Joaquin River you were all right as the wells were likely still able to pump and you were getting run off from the snow pak in the Sierras. That is not a true statement this year. Too much salt and crap in there and the water is no good.
I think most people (especially urbanites in California) underestimate the power of California agriculture. Without CA agriculture, the state of California would have went bankrupt in the recession. Literally. California agriculture was and still is one of their main sources of revenue.
Couldn't they take the floodings from back east and send it our way? LOL..... |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | cyount2009 - 2014-02-10 4:18 PM sassy&tessa - 2014-02-10 3:55 PM My dad worked hydro for PG&E. Just retired (well he technically retires April 1). He has been watching water for 20 years. I was born and raised in California and in northern california. Our family is back there and I have a lot of friends there and a lot who are in agriculture. My dad said he has never seen the snow pack like this. To the person who said this happens every 30 years, my dad said it is longer than that.
Southern California is actually in better shape than northern california, believe it or not. They have better water infrastructure and have been stealing water from northern california for so long they have a lot saved in storage (yes, that is my opinion, the stealing part, not the infrastructure). However, it isn't enough.
There were people that were trying to get the feds to intervene right around the farm bill and temporarily suspend some EPA stuff, like the stupid smelt legislation, that would bring back water via the Delta. Good ole Feinstein didn't let that happen. It is insane how far removed she is. How does she keep getting elected?
Anyways, they say 500,000 acres are going to be fallow because of the drought. At a minimum. Folks, you don't know what high price of food is until you see what happens when California can't produce. They are VITAL to agriculture. VITAL. More importantly, it will take YEARS to rebuild some of the permanent plantings if they die. YEARS.
In the last drought a few years ago, east side farmers of the San Joaquin River you were all right as the wells were likely still able to pump and you were getting run off from the snow pak in the Sierras. That is not a true statement this year. Too much salt and crap in there and the water is no good.
I think most people (especially urbanites in California) underestimate the power of California agriculture. Without CA agriculture, the state of California would have went bankrupt in the recession. Literally. California agriculture was and still is one of their main sources of revenue. Southern California is not in any better shape. They get a huge amount of their water from the run off on the Eastern side of the Sierra Nevada range. Some reports state LA gets roughly just under half their water from this valley. http://environmentla.com/programs/aboutwater.htm LA can only have as much water as the resources it gets it from and right now this resource, the one that provides just under half the drinking water to LA, is dry.
This isn't exactlt true. While the LA area does get rain from northern california and stores in reservoirs, they also get water from the Colorado River via Arizona and have also stored underground. I have spent LOTS of time looking at all of this. Like I said my dad works in hydro. Water conversations come up almost every time we talk. |
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| sassy&tessa - 2014-02-11 1:34 PM
cyount2009 - 2014-02-10 4:18 PM sassy&tessa - 2014-02-10 3:55 PM My dad worked hydro for PG&E. Just retired (well he technically retires April 1). He has been watching water for 20 years. I was born and raised in California and in northern california. Our family is back there and I have a lot of friends there and a lot who are in agriculture. My dad said he has never seen the snow pack like this. To the person who said this happens every 30 years, my dad said it is longer than that.
Southern California is actually in better shape than northern california, believe it or not. They have better water infrastructure and have been stealing water from northern california for so long they have a lot saved in storage (yes, that is my opinion, the stealing part, not the infrastructure). However, it isn't enough.
There were people that were trying to get the feds to intervene right around the farm bill and temporarily suspend some EPA stuff, like the stupid smelt legislation, that would bring back water via the Delta. Good ole Feinstein didn't let that happen. It is insane how far removed she is. How does she keep getting elected?
Anyways, they say 500,000 acres are going to be fallow because of the drought. At a minimum. Folks, you don't know what high price of food is until you see what happens when California can't produce. They are VITAL to agriculture. VITAL. More importantly, it will take YEARS to rebuild some of the permanent plantings if they die. YEARS.
In the last drought a few years ago, east side farmers of the San Joaquin River you were all right as the wells were likely still able to pump and you were getting run off from the snow pak in the Sierras. That is not a true statement this year. Too much salt and crap in there and the water is no good.
I think most people (especially urbanites in California) underestimate the power of California agriculture. Without CA agriculture, the state of California would have went bankrupt in the recession. Literally. California agriculture was and still is one of their main sources of revenue. Southern California is not in any better shape. They get a huge amount of their water from the run off on the Eastern side of the Sierra Nevada range. Some reports state LA gets roughly just under half their water from this valley. http://environmentla.com/programs/aboutwater.htm LA can only have as much water as the resources it gets it from and right now this resource, the one that provides just under half the drinking water to LA, is dry.
Spend a little more time researching this area. I live here, I see what LADWP is doing to this valley. I hear the crazy figures of how much water leaves this valley every day to go to LA. I didn't say they don't get water from other places, or that they don't have it stored. I said they get almost half their water from our valley. I've seen our lakes dry up, our wells shut down and our pasture wither to nothing. They (LADWP) spend every board meeting up here telling our community why it is necessary to shut down irrigation of pasture land because of the drought and the necessity of the water to be transported to LA. Why they can't afford the 30 acre feet promised to the school farm in Lone Pine by the LADWP. Right now there are numerous articles in our local news regarding the pillage of our water by the LADWP.
Go to sierrawave.net search LADWP and then search Water. When you're done reading every article regarding the LADWP's removal of water and broken promises and contracts made to the Owens Valley, then tell me how they aren't being affected by the drought.
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Location: So. California | The hillsides are dry as a bone, everything is brown and typically at this time of year it is GREEN! LA basin recorded 3.6" rain in 2013. 12 months - less than 4"!! The lowest recorded ran fall since 1877... Normal rainfall is a mere 15"
Right now it's in the mid 70's and should be in the 80's later this week. Next "chance" of rain is next week...
We need it to rain over the entire state for days. NOT a down pour, but a nice steady rain. Put some snow in the mountains, and pray like heck that we make it through the next year or two.
Praying for rain!!
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Location: ND | coastal california is going to have to decide that desalinization is feasible and start living within their water means.....as is the central valley...... |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | Trust me I have a lot of friends that farm and are involved in the LA. And I spent 20+ years living in California and I spent a heck of a lot of time in LA. I know what is going on. I was just at an ag conference there a month ago and was talking to those people trying to come to grips about the water situation.
Over 500,000 acres are going to go fallow this year, at a minimum. Water meters can and will be going on in a lot of areas that don't have them (a lot of the LA areas are not metered right now). Well over half of Sacramento isn't.
Consumers need to come to grips with a lot of things they aren't. A good friend who is an avocado farmer in the LA area saw an RV park that was watering and the water was running off onto the concrete roads. She took the time to stop and go into the office and ask them to be more conscious about the water and to stop watering lawns as there is a serious drought going on and that is precious water. The office manager replied there was no drought or it would have been on the news.
People in California need to raise their voices and tell Sacramento politicians that enough is enough. They may not be able to save this year but measures need to be taken to be ready for this again in the future. Water conservation needs to be taught and applied to urbanites.
People need to really understand how water infrastructure works. Well, take that back. it is a really complicated system (too complicated IMO) but they at least need to know the basics.
Just like with agriculture, urban consumers are too far removed from natural resources and what needs to be done to conserve those resources. There isn't enough education right now to help try and right the ship, at least for future generations. People just think this stuff will just be there.
Oh, and by the way, thanks for those LOVELY legislators like Feinstein (insert sarcasm), believe it or not LA is safe from running out of water. There is no way they would let LA go without water before rural people up in the north do. No way in he!!. That is where all of their money and voters are. |
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Location: Blissfully happy Giants fan!!! | dhdqhllc - 2014-02-11 2:29 PM coastal california is going to have to decide that desalinization is feasible and start living within their water means.....as is the central valley......
What part of coastal california are you talking about?
Have you seen the water infrastructure that has been built there in the last decade? California agriculture is one of the most water conscious farmers in the country. There is no flood irrigation anymore. And the drips are some of the most sufficient in the world.
There are studies that show California rice farmers are some of the most environmentally conscious, water friendly industries in the world. Their re-use of water is remarkable.
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| sassy&tessa - 2014-02-11 3:11 PM
Trust me I have a lot of friends that farm and are involved in the LA. And I spent 20+ years living in California and I spent a heck of a lot of time in LA. I know what is going on. I was just at an ag conference there a month ago and was talking to those people trying to come to grips about the water situation.
Over 500,000 acres are going to go fallow this year, at a minimum. Water meters can and will be going on in a lot of areas that don't have them (a lot of the LA areas are not metered right now). Well over half of Sacramento isn't.
Consumers need to come to grips with a lot of things they aren't. A good friend who is an avocado farmer in the LA area saw an RV park that was watering and the water was running off onto the concrete roads. She took the time to stop and go into the office and ask them to be more conscious about the water and to stop watering lawns as there is a serious drought going on and that is precious water. The office manager replied there was no drought or it would have been on the news.
People in California need to raise their voices and tell Sacramento politicians that enough is enough. They may not be able to save this year but measures need to be taken to be ready for this again in the future. Water conservation needs to be taught and applied to urbanites.
People need to really understand how water infrastructure works. Well, take that back. it is a really complicated system (too complicated IMO) but they at least need to know the basics.
Just like with agriculture, urban consumers are too far removed from natural resources and what needs to be done to conserve those resources. There isn't enough education right now to help try and right the ship, at least for future generations. People just think this stuff will just be there.
Oh, and by the way, thanks for those LOVELY legislators like Feinstein (insert sarcasm), believe it or not LA is safe from running out of water. There is no way they would let LA go without water before rural people up in the north do. No way in he!!. That is where all of their money and voters are.
Insert foot in mouth .  I misunderstood your previous posts.
You are right. They will not let LA go dry regardless of the devastation it causes at the water source. We will be pumped dry before the politicians tell the voters they can't have their lawns and swimming pools.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | LIVE2RUN - 2014-02-27 1:16 PM We are getting rain this weekend too...hoorah!!! Finally!!
It sounded to me like CA was going to get heavy rain. Mud slides will be the next thing. I'm hoping now that the pattern has changed for you it'll follow this way and bring us WARM temps and wet stuff falling from the sky. I prefer no white stuff. |
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