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| I have a mare that has so much potenial, shes very very fast and powerful. Shes on the hotter side and can be a bit difficult to run sometimes. Ive heard that alot of ppl use Chloropromazine to tone their horses down. Wondering what everyone else's results are with this drug. |
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The Advice Guru
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| I believe it is a banned substance in wpra and aqha |
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Location: Bandera, TX | It can help your horse get thru some rough spots but you will need to rely on good horsmanship to get the horse on the right track and handling the stress of being a barrel horse. |
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Location: Randolph, Utah | My mare gets hot at the gate and has a gate problem, my vet had me put her on a once a week injection to keep her from having heat cycles and then give her some Dex a few hours before she runs. She is lots better! Still a little hot and anxious at the gate but not near as bad.
I would have a chat with your vet before trying chloropromazine. My vet didn't think it was the best for my mare. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I have used it. Yes it did help gelding. He would just work his self up so much going in. It did slow him down some. A mare I have I have chosen a different route with her. Lots of one rein stops bend flex when she wants to get hot. That has helped her. |
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| Acculife ION patches. No drugs!! |
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Location: Online | Absolutely not. My vet advised strongly against it. It's not approved for use in horses, it's a human anti psychotic drug. People give it to their horses for that "easy fix". If your mare is hot, back off, don't push her. Let her set her own pace. No drug can make up for lack of horsemanship and common sense.
I have a mare that is super hot and a friend gave me a syringe full of it to try. I asked my vet and he said it's not an answer to the problem I'm having. I never used it. I backed off and gave her some time off and slowed her down. She is now calm, cool and collected and getting more consistent all the time.
I'm sure I will get an ass chewing for my comments, but don't really care.
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Location: Deep South | Just know that whatever you and your vet decide to do regarding this drug, it does alter the horse's brain. They cannot learn while on it. Whatever training/tuning/etc you do while your mare is under the influence of this drug will not be retained.
That being said, it does tone them down, and it supposedly does not affect their physical capabilities (ie slow them down). |
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| I had great success with it, using it on my extremely hot mare. I would give her 1.5 mil about 2 hours before. I think it took some run out of her, but because she wasn't washing out before her run and wasn't worried about everything else she ended up having smoother runs which we're faster. I also give her a monthly depo shot and that really chilled her. I only had to give her the chloroprmazine 10-15 times. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | It can have some nasty side effects. |
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| I've never used it myself personally but I know several people that do use it with great success. If I were going to go that route with a horse I'd try it before using the old standby Ace, which I have used in years past. I believe from what I'm seeing of horses that are being run on Chloropromazine that it's the way to go. Of course, we all have to keep in mind that what's good for one horse is not necessarily going to be good for all, it's per individual. |
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Location: Iowa | It has its place when everything has been checked out. Each horse will react different. My vet said give it a try, it has been around for quite awhile. I love my horse again and have gone down in dosage over the runs last year. |
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| A good well respected barrel racing friend suggested I try it. As she believes it takes the worry and anxioty out of the horse and lets them do their job. Although she said it not something you will use forever just a few runs. Gives the horse confidence and you some confidence in horse.
It is illegal with the WPRA, and PRCA.
I tried it but did not like how it affected my horse, seemed to take edge off and not as alert.
You are not going to know until you try it, it is not very expensive. |
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Location: Where Governor's make the liscense plates | Theres nothing wrong with some using drugs to help mantain hot horses, but if I had to "shoot em up" to run sanely I'd be looking over my shoulder for the drug police I'm a chicken |
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Location: OK | If you're totally sure it's mental, you can try that, but fluphenazine is another route. It's a monthly shot. Also reserpine is good. I've used that quite a bit. I know some trainers who use these 2 on many horses. Talk to your vet about both of those and see what he thinks. On any of these, I would maybe use it a few months and try to slack off and quit later to see if you can go without it.
The first thing I would do though is run the horse on 10 ml of Banamine for the next 4-5 practices or runs, any time you push her hard. Sometimes vet checks miss stuff, and I had a mare that chlorpromazine wouldn't touch. I gave her some banamine and the problem started going away. I went back to the vet and we found it! She does still get fluphenazine, but she's not dangerous like she was. No amount of loping her down, doubling, working, figure 8s would dial her down. She is that dang strong. She makes me wish I was a race horse trainer, because she will run through anything, and it's her first reaction to anything that happens, pain, excitement, boredom, anything. |
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| Jojammer, is right on. I would try using banimine the next 2or 3 runs along with some stomach soother. I have used resirpine on many horse right off the track it does make em quieter and they do retain what they learn. Its not a shortcut but came be an effective tool when used right my good mare had a spell where she was a,little too up and imused some respirine on her and a lot of in and out the gate,durijgn exhibition and it worked without fighting. I had a ott mare she was,a pretty thing and aboutm16h well i stepped on her head in the clouds and as hot as a match we just walked and walked for a,couple of,days and troted and troted head up in the sky would bearly steer and imused some respirine and it did not make a pleasure horse but she was a lot better used it on her for,about 6 months. |
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Location: Lost in the swamps | I had a gelding I had to give reserpine to
When I first got him, he hated being alone,
He Would pace the fence lines and would literally
Wear the grass out along the fences in just a few hours.
I seriously though he would give himself a heartattack!
Really helped chill him out!
Only thing my vet said to watch for diahreah. |
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Location: Here | JcNhEmI - 2014-02-08 2:29 PM My mare gets hot at the gate and has a gate problem, my vet had me put her on a once a week injection to keep her from having heat cycles and then give her some Dex a few hours before she runs. She is lots better! Still a little hot and anxious at the gate but not near as bad. I would have a chat with your vet before trying chloropromazine. My vet didn't think it was the best for my mare.
Please be careful with a lot of Dex use |
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| I tried it -didn't like it -its effects are kind of lasting into 2nd day I really try to stay away from " drugs" a few months later I discovered animal element detox- fell in love with the stuff and when I am gonna make a run I use animal element "in the zone" its a paste I give 20cc when loading in trailer and 15cc about 1 hour before run- all natural helps prevent ulcers and it worked perfectly - doesn't take any run out just calms and focusus the mind a tube is $20 and u can get 4 doses out of the way I use it-each horse is different but its cheap good for horses and well worth the try and it can be used anytime no worries about drug test |
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Location: Deep South | jojammer - 2014-02-09 6:50 PM
If you're totally sure it's mental, you can try that, but fluphenazine is another route. It's a monthly shot. Also reserpine is good. I've used that quite a bit. I know some trainers who use these 2 on many horses. Talk to your vet about both of those and see what he thinks. On any of these, I would maybe use it a few months and try to slack off and quit later to see if you can go without it.
The first thing I would do though is run the horse on 10 ml of Banamine for the next 4-5 practices or runs, any time you push her hard. Sometimes vet checks miss stuff, and I had a mare that chlorpromazine wouldn't touch. I gave her some banamine and the problem started going away. I went back to the vet and we found it! She does still get fluphenazine, but she's not dangerous like she was. No amount of loping her down, doubling, working, figure 8s would dial her down. She is that dang strong. She makes me wish I was a race horse trainer, because she will run through anything, and it's her first reaction to anything that happens, pain, excitement, boredom, anything.
In my opinion Fluphenazine is NOT a good alternative. Please, do the research on this drug before you put your horses at risk. This isn't one of those where 1 in 100000000 horses may have a serious side effect, this one frequently has serious side effects. It also stays in their systems much longer than alternative drugs.
Here is a good article from BHN comparing numerous different drugs. Ultimately, every horse and situation is different. So, I am an advocate of educating yourself as much as possible, including consulting with a vet you trust, as well as doing your own research. You can never be too careful, especially when you're talking about mind-altering psychiatric substances.
http://barrelhorsenews.com/articles/horse-health/3795-altered-state... |
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| I don't normally use any drugs on my horses, not even banamine. However I have a finished gelding that is very hot and no amount of horsemanship/slow work/ranch work is going to change him. He is hot at the alley and will be until the day he dies. He has been vetted from one end to the other so he is very sound, just very anxious. I have tried chlorpromazine on him several times and I am not impressed with it. The first time we gave it, he was somewhat calmer but did not run as hard and it made him salivate profusely a couple hours later and he choked really bad. That was on 3/4cc. Each time I have gave him less and it doesn't calm his nerves enough to bother with it but it for sure has slowed him down every ruin.....lost 3-4/10ths. Most every time he has salivated a lot. If you google and read, it is a human antipsychotic drug and I'm convinced I never want to use it on a horse again. |
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Location: Benton City, WA | Honestly, I'm a vet and I have been too worried about possible adverse reactions to ever use CP or fluphenazine. I bought a blown up project horse last fall who had some very serious anxiety issues, in addition to being naturally hot. I found that a little bit (0.5 cc) of ace IM helped him in situations that I knew were going to trigger him. At first I used it more often (at barrel races) & now he can go without it.
I do not beleive I would want to use sedative/psychotropic drugs long term on a hot horse. I think in conjunction with consistent training, they can help you work through issues. JMO |
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| Question for you all, I have a mare that is not what i would consider a "hot" mare at all, she doesn't jump around but she is a very internally nervous horse and while she can work a ncie pattern at home she loses all her focus at a barrel race and forgets what she is supposed to do. I have tried ace two times and it helped the first time although she ran past the first she did not anticiptate 2nd like she normally does and turned it very nice. I just wonder if there is something better I might try for her. I have had hot horses before and nervous ones but not like her where she kind of just "checks out" during her run?? Also, I do talk to my regular vet often about her but he has very limited practice with anything more than routine vaccinations.
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Location: Deep South | ChicksInferno - 2014-02-10 9:11 AM
Question for you all, I have a mare that is not what i would consider a "hot" mare at all, she doesn't jump around but she is a very internally nervous horse and while she can work a ncie pattern at home she loses all her focus at a barrel race and forgets what she is supposed to do. I have tried ace two times and it helped the first time although she ran past the first she did not anticiptate 2nd like she normally does and turned it very nice. I just wonder if there is something better I might try for her. I have had hot horses before and nervous ones but not like her where she kind of just "checks out" during her run?? Also, I do talk to my regular vet often about her but he has very limited practice with anything more than routine vaccinations.
https://totalhealthenhance.com/equine/products/?route=product/produc... |
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Location: OK | The reason I like a 30-day med for those types of horses is, if you practice and it's stressful, like if you need to make a little run at home or if the horse is being too chargy and you have to do a buncha 1-rein stops or backing or whatever it is, to me it's hard to get through to those horses. I don't wanna have to give a shot every single time I ride. They're not gonna like that. I like reserpine because I give it, watch for some diarrhea, and then I don't have to worry about it for at least 3 more weeks. This way, EVERY ride is calmer, not just the competition ones. After 1 or 2 months, I usually just quit using it and can't tell much difference because they've learned to relax with work. We do have one horse who needed it longer. This is a great tool for problem horses you are rehabbing. I love to ride, and I'll work a horse's tail off and problem horses don't bother me, but I'm not down to get myself killed. :)
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Location: OK | Another thing it's good for is horses that are nervous in the trailer, barn, kept alone, etc.
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| Thank you, she is a very needy horse. Doesn't every want to be left alone. Not naughty about just anxiety. I will do more research on reserpine. |
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The Advice Guru
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| Some people in my area use valerian root soaked in vodka for 3 weeks, they give the vodka before runs.
Someone told me there is lots of info on the net about this.
I have never had to use anything, but if I did I would try a herbal remedy before prescription drugs. |
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Chloropromazine???