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Dogs with diabetes
ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-10 1:05 PM
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My rat terrier has recently been diagnosed with diabetes...he is doing good on a special diet and insulin...For those of you, who are dealing with Canine diabetes, do  you take your dog to the vet for regular glucose testing? My little guy is feeling good, and with the vet being 50 miles away, I am dragging my feet on getting him there, since he is feeling good.
Appreciate some input..thanks.. 
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UTAHCANCHASER
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2014-02-10 1:13 PM
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My grandparents dog has diabetes.  They take her to the vet once a month or every other month to have her checked out.  She is on insulin and they have had to change her diet a little bit.  She is older about 14 years old. 

Even if they are feeling better doesn't necessarly mean everything is OK. 

 
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-10 1:25 PM
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UTAHCANCHASER - 2014-02-10 1:13 PM My grandparents dog has diabetes.  They take her to the vet once a month or every other month to have her checked out.  She is on insulin and they have had to change her diet a little bit.  She is older about 14 years old. 



Even if they are feeling better doesn't necessarly mean everything is OK. 


 

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barrelrider
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2014-02-10 1:49 PM
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My parents' corgi has diabetes. They checked it pretty often in the beginning, but now they just monitor how he acts. He hasn't had it checked in a couple of years and had it checked last week, his levels were perfect.
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grullagirl
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2014-02-10 2:04 PM
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 I had a min pin with diabetes and she had insulin injections twice a day and special diet. Also kept corn syrup in case of emergency. We actually tested her regularly along with regular vet testing. It can get in a dangerous situation fairly quickly I think because of their size and you couldn't tell just by how she acted. It's very manageable once it gets regulated and diet/insulin dosage gets figured out though. .
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Glittergirl
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2014-02-10 10:08 PM
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You can buy a regular glucometer and the strips and test him yourself. Just prick the vein in his ear and collect a drop of blood on the strip. If you're ever concerned about where he's at you can test him and phone it in to your vet. Might save you a long drive.
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Cactus Pete
Reg. Jan 2006
Posted 2014-02-10 10:45 PM
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You can buy a glucometer from your vet. A human glucometer will not work. It's not calibrated for animals.
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We had a diabetic cat, at first we took him to the vet often to get him stabalized. Then got a tester from Walmart in the Pharmacy section. Worked like a charm, tested him every few days from the comfort of our home. You do have to be very vigilant as their levels can jump drastically in such short time and it will make a large impact on them. Diet is super important. My mother changed the cat's food to a hairball remedy and our diabetic deteriorated within a week. We took him to the vet and did everything recommenced and it was still too late by then, we lost him a few days later. (He was old, over 15) But I am pretty confidant he would have lasted a significant while longer had it not been for the diabetes and how quickly it affected him with just a food change. He went from one shot every couple days to 2 shots a day and higher doses, and we still couldn't keep it under control. Wish we would have realized sooner
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TrailGirl
Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2014-02-11 7:57 AM
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Cactus Pete - 2014-02-10 10:45 PM You can buy a glucometer from your vet. A human glucometer will not work. It's not calibrated for animals.


Ok...that is not correct.  There are VERY few home use glucometers for sale that ate validated for animals.  Why?  Because it's not necessary.   Blood glucose is measured in mg/dl of blood...reguardless of species. The human glucometers are FDA regulated as medical devices and have to meet certain quality standards.  Devices made for veterinary use do not (FWIW).  Your human glucometer will be just as accurate when used properly.  Many many vet clinics use a human glucometer in house for routine checks when a pet is brought in to do a glucose curve.  The possible advantage to an animal validated meter is that some will operate with a smaller (tiny) amount of blood.  That's helpful for feline patients in particular...but again...there are meters on the human side that only require that same tiny amount.

What I would do would be to take your human meter with you to the vet.  Have a sample tested side by side with their meter and compare.  Odds are it will be very accurate.  Remember too that lab results are generally run on Plasma...whereas you use whole blood for the little home meters.  The plasma readings will be a bit higher.

I feel the best way to manage a diabetic pet on insulin is to initially have the vet do a glucose curve to set the starting point for your insulin dosage.  Then get them home and in a stable routine and do your own test before giving the insulin shot each time for a few days to see how it is going...and then do periodic checks prior to giving the shot.  Especially if there is a significant change in weight...or the dog is off it's food or something is different.  You need to know how the dog is doing once it is at home in it's "happy place"...as often the stress of being in the clinic can affect their values.

Keep in mind that their glucose level can read lower if they are dehydrated...and higher if they are anemic.

Good luck with your pup...they can live long and happy lives with good consistent care.

 
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-11 8:27 AM
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TrailGirl - 2014-02-11 7:57 AM
Cactus Pete - 2014-02-10 10:45 PM You can buy a glucometer from your vet. A human glucometer will not work. It's not calibrated for animals.


Ok...that is not correct.  There are VERY few home use glucometers for sale that ate validated for animals.  Why?  Because it's not necessary.   Blood glucose is measured in mg/dl of blood...reguardless of species. The human glucometers are FDA regulated as medical devices and have to meet certain quality standards.  Devices made for veterinary use do not (FWIW).  Your human glucometer will be just as accurate when used properly.  Many many vet clinics use a human glucometer in house for routine checks when a pet is brought in to do a glucose curve.  The possible advantage to an animal validated meter is that some will operate with a smaller (tiny) amount of blood.  That's helpful for feline patients in particular...but again...there are meters on the human side that only require that same tiny amount.



What I would do would be to take your human meter with you to the vet.  Have a sample tested side by side with their meter and compare.  Odds are it will be very accurate.  Remember too that lab results are generally run on Plasma...whereas you use whole blood for the little home meters.  The plasma readings will be a bit higher.



I feel the best way to manage a diabetic pet on insulin is to initially have the vet do a glucose curve to set the starting point for your insulin dosage.  Then get them home and in a stable routine and do your own test before giving the insulin shot each time for a few days to see how it is going...and then do periodic checks prior to giving the shot.  Especially if there is a significant change in weight...or the dog is off it's food or something is different.  You need to know how the dog is doing once it is at home in it's "happy place"...as often the stress of being in the clinic can affect their values.



Keep in mind that their glucose level can read lower if they are dehydrated...and higher if they are anemic.



Good luck with your pup...they can live long and happy lives with good consistent care.


 

Thankyou for your advice...being a newbie to the world of pet diabetes, certainly has a learning curve to it, and commitment.
My husband and I love our little Buck dearly and is a treasured member of the family, so will do our best by him...we are heading to the vet tomorrow morning, so get his glucose checked, etc...and hope we can keep the little guy feisty and happy..
Since he started on insulin about 3 weeks ago, he has acted like a pup, chasing squirrels, wrestling with our blue heeler, and just been happy.
Buck does not appreciate his new diet, but we and he, are learning all about, eating to live, rather that living to eat!!
 
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3farm
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2014-02-11 11:45 AM
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go online, you can get MANY free testers online... (because they want you to use their strips...) most come with a month of strips.. and that will last about a year or more with a dog...
I found it easier to test in the ear... wal-mart has cheap needles... and our vet told us we coudl use the needles about 4 times.... we did, and never had an issue... only tested every month or so...
vet said human testers will work... and we got the cheap insulin and it worked fine....

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/Streakin/
Reg. Jul 2011
Posted 2014-02-11 1:25 PM
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 What Trail Girl said. At the clinic when a dog is initially diagnosed we keep them for 1 to 2 days to perform a glucose curve and figure a proper dosage of insulin. We put all of ours on Science Diet W/D which is specifically formulated for diabetic dogs or cats. It's important to keep a close eye on it. It can really get out of hand rather quickly. I recommend initially leaving him for a glucose curve once a month for the 1st 3 months then every few months after that. Good luck!!! Being a diabetic myself I know just how crappy it can feel.
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/Streakin/
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Posted 2014-02-11 1:27 PM
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 And yes human glucometers can be used. Theyre just a little off
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-11 2:11 PM
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/Streakin/ - 2014-02-11 1:25 PM  What Trail Girl said. At the clinic when a dog is initially diagnosed we keep them for 1 to 2 days to perform a glucose curve and figure a proper dosage of insulin. We put all of ours on Science Diet W/D which is specifically formulated for diabetic dogs or cats. It's important to keep a close eye on it. It can really get out of hand rather quickly. I recommend initially leaving him for a glucose curve once a month for the 1st 3 months then every few months after that. Good luck!!! Being a diabetic myself I know just how crappy it can feel.

We have Buck on the Science Diet W/D and it seems to be working good for him, even tho he is not all that thrilled with it...I try to make him think he is getting a feast...
Thanks everyone for the great input 

 
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taj
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2014-02-11 5:50 PM
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My dog was diagnosed with diabetes a little over a year ago.  Initially, I took her to the vet for glucose curves, but felt like that just wasn't enough.  They did put her on Science Diet w/d, and I also put a little chicken or beef broth on it to flavor it up a little bit.  I feel the best way to really stay on top of it is to test your dog yourself.  I test my dog 2x day before giving her her insulin shot.  I probably wouldn't need to do it quite this much, but I feel better knowing exactly where her numbers are at. I bought a One-Touch Ultra2 tester and test strips off of e-bay.  You can get them for a fraction of the cost they will be at any store.  I still buy the test strips on e-bay.  My dog actually looks forward to her shots because she gets a little treat (egg or meat) after she gets them.  The test spot I like to use is the pad on the back of her front legs.  That's what works for us.
I found a tremendous amount of inormation on www.k9diabetes.com  They were extremely helpful, and I got a lot of good information from them.
Good-luck on your journey. :)
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-11 8:41 PM
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taj - 2014-02-11 5:50 PM My dog was diagnosed with diabetes a little over a year ago.  Initially, I took her to the vet for glucose curves, but felt like that just wasn't enough.  They did put her on Science Diet w/d, and I also put a little chicken or beef broth on it to flavor it up a little bit.  I feel the best way to really stay on top of it is to test your dog yourself.  I test my dog 2x day before giving her her insulin shot.  I probably wouldn't need to do it quite this much, but I feel better knowing exactly where her numbers are at. I bought a One-Touch Ultra2 tester and test strips off of e-bay.  You can get them for a fraction of the cost they will be at any store.  I still buy the test strips on e-bay.  My dog actually looks forward to her shots because she gets a little treat (egg or meat) after she gets them.  The test spot I like to use is the pad on the back of her front legs.  That's what works for us.

I found a tremendous amount of inormation on www.k9diabetes.com  They were extremely helpful, and I got a lot of good information from them.

Good-luck on your journey. :)

Looks like a great website... 
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Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2014-02-12 11:07 AM
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I have not read all articles so excuse me if I'm repeating anyone.

We have a diabetic Min Pin who has been on insulin twice a day and a controled diet for a little over 2years now. At first we did take him to the vets to be tested regularly until we figured out the correct insulin amount. However they do have at home systems that you can buy and test yourself. Just have to prick a little blood from the ear or paw and put it on the test strip. Was a bit of a daily life changer but now we're all use to it.

 
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2014-02-12 11:55 AM
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Here's my two cents worth on this subject.  I would use a human glucometer.  In the long run, it's just a good maintenence tool that than assist you and take the guess work out of managing your pet's diabetes and you can learn to make adjustments in your insulin dose.  In some ways, management of diabetes in a dog is easier than in humans, because you have absolute control over their diet.  This is the most problematic aspect of diabetes management in humans, and you can control what they eat precisely.  You can eliminate carbs as much as you need.  If I had a diabetic dog, I would get into the habit of making their food at home, rather than buying it.  You don't have to spend an arm and a leg to make good, healthy dog food and you can determine exactly what they are eating.  Eventually, once the dose of insulin is established and an equilibrium established, you have control over all the variables that are so vexing in humans.  Getting a dog to exercise is not a problem, in the vast majority of cases!  In people, it's very hard. 
One additional thing I would like people to understand pertains to the problems with excessive drinking and peeing that is seen early on.  Do NOT deprive them of water.  That is a common reaction to the frequent urination ("polyuria") that is seen with diabetes.  They are drinking because they need it.....their "osmolality" in their serum gets too high, and water corrects that.  Once the sugars are better controlled that will correct itself.....my point being, make sure they have access to plenty of fresh water.  If they don't have enough water they can get pretty sick and even go into a coma. 

 
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-12 12:56 PM
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HotbearLVR - 2014-02-12 11:55 AM Here's my two cents worth on this subject.  I would use a human glucometer.  In the long run, it's just a good maintenence tool that than assist you and take the guess work out of managing your pet's diabetes and you can learn to make adjustments in your insulin dose.  In some ways, management of diabetes in a dog is easier than in humans, because you have absolute control over their diet.  This is the most problematic aspect of diabetes management in humans, and you can control what they eat precisely.  You can eliminate carbs as much as you need.  If I had a diabetic dog, I would get into the habit of making their food at home, rather than buying it.  You don't have to spend an arm and a leg to make good, healthy dog food and you can determine exactly what they are eating.  Eventually, once the dose of insulin is established and an equilibrium established, you have control over all the variables that are so vexing in humans.  Getting a dog to exercise is not a problem, in the vast majority of cases!  In people, it's very hard. 

One additional thing I would like people to understand pertains to the problems with excessive drinking and peeing that is seen early on.  Do NOT deprive them of water.  That is a common reaction to the frequent urination ("polyuria") that is seen with diabetes.  They are drinking because they need it.....their "osmolality" in their serum gets too high, and water corrects that.  Once the sugars are better controlled that will correct itself.....my point being, make sure they have access to plenty of fresh water.  If they don't have enough water they can get pretty sick and even go into a coma. 


 

Appreciate the great advice...It is a commitment for sure with a diabetic dog, but doable! It has also made me more aware of what I eat, as 1 diabetic in the house in enough :)
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Reg. Jan 2014
Posted 2014-02-12 1:41 PM
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We lost our Red Heeler two years ago to diabetes. Had her on insulin but had to go through several different ones before we found one that was affective. We took her to the vet every month to monitor it. The insulin shots everyday helped at first but it seemed we kept having to up it every month we took her in. She lost the battle 7 months after being diagnosed. I think if we would of noticed something wrong sooner it would have been more manageable. The vet did send me home with a pee cup and some testing strips so I could check her myself but I just found it easier to take her in every month or two weeks.
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HotbearLVR - 2014-02-12 11:55 AM

Here's my two cents worth on this subject.  I would use a human glucometer.  In the long run, it's just a good maintenence tool that than assist you and take the guess work out of managing your pet's diabetes and you can learn to make adjustments in your insulin dose.  In some ways, management of diabetes in a dog is easier than in humans, because you have absolute control over their diet.  This is the most problematic aspect of diabetes management in humans, and you can control what they eat precisely.  You can eliminate carbs as much as you need.  If I had a diabetic dog, I would get into the habit of making their food at home, rather than buying it.  You don't have to spend an arm and a leg to make good, healthy dog food and you can determine exactly what they are eating.  Eventually, once the dose of insulin is established and an equilibrium established, you have control over all the variables that are so vexing in humans.  Getting a dog to exercise is not a problem, in the vast majority of cases!  In people, it's very hard. 
One additional thing I would like people to understand pertains to the problems with excessive drinking and peeing that is seen early on.  Do NOT deprive them of water.  That is a common reaction to the frequent urination ("polyuria") that is seen with diabetes.  They are drinking because they need it.....their "osmolality" in their serum gets too high, and water corrects that.  Once the sugars are better controlled that will correct itself.....my point being, make sure they have access to plenty of fresh water.  If they don't have enough water they can get pretty sick and even go into a coma. 

 

^^ THIS.

The Border Collie I had growing up (Gin) was diabetic and after diagnosis (at age 10) and stabilization she lasted another 5 years. We changed her diet. Gave her shots daily and tested her regularly at home and at the vets' office. My mom even went so far as to keep the hearts and livers from our wholesale lambs to feed her instead of buying expensive dog food. Gin did great and kept working and going to the barn every day :)

Good Luck and chin up! You will be fine and the lil family member will be too!
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I have a diabetic Min Pin. It is a pain in the butt. I currently feed him a diabetic dry food with a tablespoon of canned food. He gets insulin twice a day. If I notice him drinking a lot, I increase his insulin by a unit and watch him for several days. My vet said it would be better to put a doggie diaper on him and check urine for glucose than to use a meter. I did buy a human meter for him based on things I'd read, but gahhh, he already is a nightmare to give insulin to. Can't imagine trying to stick him for accuchecks!

Am wanting to make his food or perhaps go to a raw diet and eliminate as many carbs as I can. Problem is that we have 9 dogs and it's hard to keep him out of their food.

 
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I might be more inclined to take Rocky in for glucose testing once in a while, but gahh, they charged me $60 last time I took him to check it after I brought him home and he was acting funny. So I won't take him back unless I think he really needs it.
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ridejg
Reg. Jan 2009
Posted 2014-02-12 2:46 PM
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luvinrunnin - 2014-02-12 2:24 PM I have a diabetic Min Pin. It is a pain in the butt. I currently feed him a diabetic dry food with a tablespoon of canned food. He gets insulin twice a day. If I notice him drinking a lot, I increase his insulin by a unit and watch him for several days. My vet said it would be better to put a doggie diaper on him and check urine for glucose than to use a meter. I did buy a human meter for him based on things I'd read, but gahhh, he already is a nightmare to give insulin to. Can't imagine trying to stick him for accuchecks!



Am wanting to make his food or perhaps go to a raw diet and eliminate as many carbs as I can. Problem is that we have 9 dogs and it's hard to keep him out of their food.


 

LOL...yes it is hard to keep them from eating things they shouldn't be...everything from horse poop, to shelled corn, is considered a treat to Buck...kind like having a toddler around, making sure they keep stuff out of their mouth..
I just got Dr Pitcairn's book Natural Health for Dogs & Cats, and will check out some of his recipes for diabetics..
 
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