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Location: Oregon | I feel a little frustrated but at the same time I always go and look after the mare. I have been there to help through abcesses, 2 colics and take all my own supplies, including Banamine. Not once have they offered to repay my costs. They are both friends but don't know how to make them understand that they need to have a vet see that mare occasionally. I am their only vet care for her. Just venting a bit because I have tried to drop subtle hints. Apparently they haven't worked.
She is nasty nasty when it comes to anyone handling her and I have even had the owner mad at me when I disciplined her for trying to kick me then run me over. She didn't suceed. This was over having her feet done by my shoer. I have told them to work with her...nothing. Anyway, only place I can vent because I am friends with the wife on facebook and she is a good friend but she just brushes off what I tell her also..then as soon as something is wrong. RING RING!
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Location: PA | if I were you at this point id refuse to help them anymore. I feel bad for the animal but at what expense do you keep spending your own $$$ treating an animal that isnt yours?? Obviously they have found a sucker in you and will continue to use your generosity to their benefit.
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| I agree, you dont need the added stress of taking care of someone elses horse. I'm sure most of us are animal lovers and I can understand that it is hard to sit back and watch an owner simply not care. However you are being taking advantage of. While i'm sure your neighbors wife is your friend, she and her husband are probably enjoying the benefits of not paying a vet bill and always having you on call. Not to mention the additional money they are saving by you supplying your own medicines. I don't know your neighbors well but I do have people in my own life that sound similar to your neighbors and these people tend to take/want but never give/help. I guess everyone knows someone like that, but I have learn that altough it is hard you need to stop being their door mat. Still be nice and friendly and even halp every once in a while but not be as available when thwy want to "use you" and maybe next time thay ask you for help with their horse you go over with your vets number and say something like "this looks bad I think we need to call a vet if you want your horse to be ok" and offer to call your vet and kind of push it on them to be responsible. Honestly there is no really easy way out if the situation but they need to be more responsible and you need to be able to get out from under their thumb. Good Luck!!  |
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | Did you know that by treating someone else's horses with prescription drugs, you can be accused of practicing veterinary medicine without a license?
Happened to my husband when he tried to help an aquaintance with a colicing horse -they guy c0uld not afford the fee that a new vet in the area was charged for emergency farm calls and my husband couldn't stand to see the horse suffer. Later that month the vet had to come out to pull coggins, the guy told the vet what my husband did and the veterinarian went ballistic. The vet now refuses to treat any of our animals because of what he says was my husband's "illegal activities". He went so far as to calling other vets to find out who sold him the banamine.
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Location: Midwest | rollingrfarm - 2014-02-12 6:35 AM
Did you know that by treating someone else's horses with prescription drugs, you can be accused of practicing veterinary medicine without a license?
Happened to my husband when he tried to help an aquaintance with a colicing horse -they guy c0uld not afford the fee that a new vet in the area was charged for emergency farm calls and my husband couldn't stand to see the horse suffer. Later that month the vet had to come out to pull coggins, the guy told the vet what my husband did and the veterinarian went ballistic. The vet now refuses to treat any of our animals because of what he says was my husband's "illegal activities". He went so far as to calling other vets to find out who sold him the banamine.
So simply tell this neighbor that you cannot treat her horse because its against the law.
Wow, that vet sounds like a real horse's a$$ |
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Location: Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2014-02-12 7:16 AM
rollingrfarm - 2014-02-12 6:35 AM
Did you know that by treating someone else's horses with prescription drugs, you can be accused of practicing veterinary medicine without a license?
Happened to my husband when he tried to help an aquaintance with a colicing horse -they guy c0uld not afford the fee that a new vet in the area was charged for emergency farm calls and my husband couldn't stand to see the horse suffer. Later that month the vet had to come out to pull coggins, the guy told the vet what my husband did and the veterinarian went ballistic. The vet now refuses to treat any of our animals because of what he says was my husband's "illegal activities". He went so far as to calling other vets to find out who sold him the banamine.
So simply tell this neighbor that you cannot treat her horse because its against the law.
Wow, that vet sounds like a real horse's a$$
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| rollingrfarm - 2014-02-12 7:35 AM
Did you know that by treating someone else's horses with prescription drugs, you can be accused of practicing veterinary medicine without a license?
Happened to my husband when he tried to help an aquaintance with a colicing horse -they guy c0uld not afford the fee that a new vet in the area was charged for emergency farm calls and my husband couldn't stand to see the horse suffer. Later that month the vet had to come out to pull coggins, the guy told the vet what my husband did and the veterinarian went ballistic. The vet now refuses to treat any of our animals because of what he says was my husband's "illegal activities". He went so far as to calling other vets to find out who sold him the banamine.
So simply tell this neighbor that you cannot treat her horse because its against the law.
I was just going to say this.
Doctoring a wound or something is fine... but when you are administering drugs you could get yourself into a whole lot of trouble.
I have a friend who is always calling me to do the same for her... It makes me a little uncomfortable the amount of times she needs banamine for colic.
I started telling her that the only way i was going to give it to her, is if she already had her vet on the phone and he can't get there quick enough...
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| PaintedPrincess - 2014-02-12 7:49 AM rollingrfarm - 2014-02-12 7:35 AM Did you know that by treating someone else's horses with prescription drugs, you can be accused of practicing veterinary medicine without a license?
Happened to my husband when he tried to help an aquaintance with a colicing horse -they guy c0uld not afford the fee that a new vet in the area was charged for emergency farm calls and my husband couldn't stand to see the horse suffer. Later that month the vet had to come out to pull coggins, the guy told the vet what my husband did and the veterinarian went ballistic. The vet now refuses to treat any of our animals because of what he says was my husband's "illegal activities". He went so far as to calling other vets to find out who sold him the banamine.
So simply tell this neighbor that you cannot treat her horse because its against the law. I was just going to say this. Doctoring a wound or something is fine... but when you are administering drugs you could get yourself into a whole lot of trouble. I have a friend who is always calling me to do the same for her... It makes me a little uncomfortable the amount of times she needs banamine for colic. I started telling her that the only way i was going to give it to her, is if she already had her vet on the phone and he can't get there quick enough... I think she must have found someone else to call for it now.
Yes you can, I have a friend who was at an AQHA show, heard a lady screaming for help, had called a local vet who was 20 minutes away. Friend went to help, horse had somehow got foot caught in top rails of stall and was freaking out. Owner was screaming for drugs to calm the horse, friend had some and gave the horse a shot to calm him- saved the horses life. Vet was going to go after her big time but there was such a protest she dropped the charges. |
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Location: North Dakota | One word for the neighbor- MOOCHER!!!!! I have a neighbor that came and introduced herself, but it didn't take me long to catch on that she only wanted a baby-sitter for her son!!!! He would be at my door EVERYDAY and by chance she would call and say she was running to the grocery store could he stay longer etc.... I cut her off after a month of her kid being here constantly!!! She stopped speaking to me when I stopped letting him come over!! Your neighbors may be friendly but I would't help them anymore they are taking advantage of your kindness!!!
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| rodeomom3 - 2014-02-12 8:58 AM
PaintedPrincess - 2014-02-12 7:49 AM rollingrfarm - 2014-02-12 7:35 AM Did you know that by treating someone else's horses with prescription drugs, you can be accused of practicing veterinary medicine without a license?
Happened to my husband when he tried to help an aquaintance with a colicing horse -they guy c0uld not afford the fee that a new vet in the area was charged for emergency farm calls and my husband couldn't stand to see the horse suffer. Later that month the vet had to come out to pull coggins, the guy told the vet what my husband did and the veterinarian went ballistic. The vet now refuses to treat any of our animals because of what he says was my husband's "illegal activities". He went so far as to calling other vets to find out who sold him the banamine.
So simply tell this neighbor that you cannot treat her horse because its against the law. I was just going to say this. Doctoring a wound or something is fine... but when you are administering drugs you could get yourself into a whole lot of trouble. I have a friend who is always calling me to do the same for her... It makes me a little uncomfortable the amount of times she needs banamine for colic. I started telling her that the only way i was going to give it to her, is if she already had her vet on the phone and he can't get there quick enough... I think she must have found someone else to call for it now.
unfortunately in a case like its hard to know what it right, i would have done what your friend had did. You've got to do whats best for the horse.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | We have a friend and a neighbor who is a vet tech and have called on her more than once to help out. It takes our vet almost a hr to get out if there is a problem and she is very good at keeping things under some kind of control until the vet gets there. She and her husband were both there the night Slim colicked and we eventually lost him. During all the panic and chaos she had Dan hook up the trailer in case we had to take him to CSU, which we did once the vet finally got there and told us to load him up. I've see her get a shot of Banamine in while walking a colicky horse and I trust her judgement. When you're in crisis mode trying to deal with a situation it is really nice to have someone point you the right direction and I can't thank her enough.
If you don't want to help this lady out just tell her you are unavailable and she needs to get her vet out.
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Location: The Lone Star State | People can only take advantage of you if you LET them. So either continue to help and do not complain or dont help them and encourage them to go to the vet. Simple solution. |
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Location: IA | I would talk to them about it. Ask them to replenish your supplies.
As for administering medications, when there is an emergency, and the vet is 30 or more minutes away, I wouldn't question it. As long as the horses owner is ok with it.
We have a small boarding facility. We keep banamine on hand. However, since we've never done IV shots, we would administer it orally. With the owners permission. Knock on wood, we've never had to use it. |
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Location: Tumbleweed Capital of the World | Ticktock - 2014-02-12 8:44 AM People can only take advantage of you if you LET them. So either continue to help and do not complain or dont help them and encourage them to go to the vet. Simple solution.
I agree, to a point. People will always take advantage of you when they can. Putting a stop to it is a lot harder when there's a child or an animal that needs your help. In this case it's the horse who's suffering. I personally can't let an animal suffer when/if I can help them. I got stuck in the same situaion, helping a friend's horse when he got a really bad injury. The horse fully recovered, thankfully, and I never got my supplies back, even when I confronted them and asked them to replace everything. I don't help them anymore, with anything, but I helped that horse when he needed me, and I will always feel good about that. |
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Location: Washington | Next time she rings, give her the phone number of a good vet.
Good friends do not take advantage of their friends like this gal is doing to you. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Think about if you are "helping" this horse, it goes south while you are administering the drug. Horse dies.
They can sue you.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Sounds like a bunch of users, I agree the next time they call I would give them my Vets phone number, you pay a Vet so why cant they? And yes if you are treating their horse with your drugs that you bought from your Vet and something go's wrong they can sue you. I have helped my neighbors out a many a times but will not give their animals any shots of anything. I have my own drugs for my horses only.
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | roxieannie - 2014-02-12 10:21 AM Think about if you are "helping" this horse, it goes south while you are administering the drug. Horse dies.
They can sue you.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Our neighbor came by over the weekend wanting to know if we could give her colicing horse a shot of banamine IV. I politely declined for this very reason. |
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| I've had this happen to me in the past too. "Friend" was a total MOOCH! I dropped hints along the way several times and even though I knew she KNEW what I was saying she still continued to call me. In my case the medicine was only costing me about $4 and she always offered to pay me for the medicine but the point was that I'm NOT a vet and she knew the same trip to the vet would cost her $45 so she came to me and was always bragging about how much better I was than the vet(that was part of her technique to get what she wanted). I didn't feel comfortable continuously treating her dog and felt that she was putting her dog in danger by MOOCHING off me so I had to get pretty ugly with her about it and tell her I could NOT get the medicine anymore even though she fired back insisting that I could. She called at least 2 or 3 times after that and after telling her no every time she quit calling and I haven't heard from my friend(the mooch) ever again! Don't let the mooch do that to you...just because you can help on occasion does not mean that you should. The first few times I helped my friend it was because I wanted to but after that I knew she was just using me. I love to help other people with their animals but someone using you to avoid vet bills is just wrong and they shouldnt have the animal if they can't afford vet care for it. You have to pay your vet and she should too! |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | Here is my 2 cents....
1st I would make them handle their own horse, that way they can figure out how difficult she is to handle and I'm not putting myself in a dangerous situation.
2nd Ask them if they have the drugs that are needed and that you will be happy to properly administer the medication for them.
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| I think I would probably keep helping the horse because I couldn't live with myself knowing it was in pain or whatever, but I would make a basic list of supplies that they need to have on hand (and where to buy them) and I would make it known that I'd only be able to help if they had their own drugs and supplies and whatnot. If they respect you- they'll got get the supplies and keep asking for help. If not- they'll call someone else and it will no longer be your problem. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Administering the drug, even if it belongs to them, I could be wrong, can get you in trouble, legally |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | The way people are these days, I wouldn't trust them not to sue you if you are doctoring their colicy horse and it ends up dying! (Not saying you would be responsible, but try proving that in court.) |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | RacingQH - 2014-02-12 11:37 AM The way people are these days, I wouldn't trust them not to sue you if you are doctoring their colicy horse and it ends up dying! (Not saying you would be responsible, but try proving that in court.)
^^^^^THIS........I would hand them the syringe of banamine (if needed) and say give your own injection..........too many sue happy people these days and yes, YOU can get in trouble in most states for practicing vet medicine without a license. |
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Location: Oregon | Thank you all for the replies. Will need to read through when I am home on my PC. The banamine is paste. I will not do iv. The last time I had them administer it because I was at work and she was hysterical. Said she was dying. I told her if she is that bad give her the med and call vet immediately. They did give med but did not vet. She was up and doing better when I got there an hour later. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | squeek - 2014-02-12 1:28 AM I feel a little frustrated but at the same time I always go and look after the mare. I have been there to help through abcesses, 2 colics and take all my own supplies, including Banamine. Not once have they offered to repay my costs. They are both friends but don't know how to make them understand that they need to have a vet see that mare occasionally. I am their only vet care for her. Just venting a bit because I have tried to drop subtle hints. Apparently they haven't worked.
She is nasty nasty when it comes to anyone handling her and I have even had the owner mad at me when I disciplined her for trying to kick me then run me over. She didn't suceed. This was over having her feet done by my shoer. I have told them to work with her...nothing. Anyway, only place I can vent because I am friends with the wife on facebook and she is a good friend but she just brushes off what I tell her also..then as soon as something is wrong. RING RING!
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Location: Oregon | The last time she called me at work saying the horse was dying, had been attacked by a cougar. This is possible where I live and there have been attacks out here. I tried to get her to stop crying and tell me exactly what was going on. Asked if there were definite claw marks etc. Why did she think cougar. Her Dad had told her over the phone that was what it was. Uh WHAT? Turns out there was a pack of coyotes that were going through the pasture, they let out yips, spooked the mare, she ran through the trees. What little she had of marks on her side were small marks from trees.
I had them go to my house and get the paste. BRAND new tube as my gelding had just gone through a fence and hit a T-post 1 1/2 wks earlier. Told her how to dial it down and to go give it to her. They did but not before she struck at them. Then they tossed the tube. I did get angry when I asked where it was and they told me they threw it away. I told them you owe me $45. They thought they could go to feed store to buy it. NO! They did find it and returned it. So before I left that day I told the husband and wife both at separate times. You MUST work with her. You MUST take care of her feet(horrible). Some day they will need a vet out and at times even they cannot even catch her let alone get a halter on.
AND to add to it, when I got there an hour later, they were drinking beer and watching football. I asked has she pooped? I don't know...
You all are right. I just need to avoid helping, it is at least 1/2 hr to get a vet here if not longer. I had the horse in my avatar colicing but I was on the phone with my vet giving updates,...temp, gut sounds and poop etc. luckily I caught her early too but took loading her in the trailer after a couple hours and OF COURSE!!! Instant poop.
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Location: Oregon | sodapop - 2014-02-12 8:11 PM Next time they call for help give them the number of the nearest vet. They can only use you if you allow it. Any real friend would not take advantage of you.
You are so right. While I have tried to help, they refuse to properly care for her. I did not need the $300+ vet bill I had just prior but I know my limits and even tho I was sure there was no stitching what the T post had done, I knew he needed a tetanus and antibiotics. Which the vet gave me a 500 jar so I have more for another time. I also bought a new tube of Banamine. I usually only need 1 a year. Was still good on Bute so didn't restock that. I just need to be a little more uncaring. In this instance anyway. |
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Location: sunny california | There has always been and there will always be people who just go through life using people. It sucks when they use poor helpless animals to blackmail compasionate people. |
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| Been there with my hubby's ex-roomie. He used to borrow one of our horses and have us haul it for him to compete on. He never paid the bills (vet, farrier, hauling, etc) and he didn't come and ride the horse before the competition. He was a beginner rider and really needed the practice.
I finally got tired of hauling the extra horse and paying the extra expenses. The last time he called we made a verbal agreement that he had to come and ride the horse, pay the vet bill, farrier, and hauling fees along with his own entry fee before we would bring the horse to the competition. He agreed but never showed up to ride and we didn't see a dime. He called the night before the competition to make sure we were bringing "his" horse. When we reminded him of the agreement and the fact that he didn't hold up his end of the bargain he didn't call again. |
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | kwanatha - 2014-02-13 6:52 AM There has always been and there will always be people who just go through life using people. It sucks when they use poor helpless animals to blackmail compasionate people.
^^^^^This is so true! I just cut the noose from around my neck with a so called 'friend' due to her overkill in mooching. She has the victimism part down like well trained actress. Fortunately for her horse that she abandoned out here, he gets fabulous care out of my bank account. The upside is after 10+ years of 'friendship,' her lack of compassion and caring for this horse pi$$ed me off enough to do the right thing and cut her out of my life. She has 2 other horses, but I can't worry about that. I can't afford to be her friend any longer. She'll no doubt find another compassionate person to mooch off of.
To the OP, the time will come when you will tire of it. Only you will know when. I can't blame you for helping. We do it for the animal, not the useless human attached to it. |
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Location: Oregon | sophiebelle - 2014-02-13 5:04 PM kwanatha - 2014-02-13 6:52 AM There has always been and there will always be people who just go through life using people. It sucks when they use poor helpless animals to blackmail compasionate people. ^^^^^This is so true! I just cut the noose from around my neck with a so called 'friend' due to her overkill in mooching. She has the victimism part down like well trained actress. Fortunately for her horse that she abandoned out here, he gets fabulous care out of my bank account. The upside is after 10+ years of 'friendship,' her lack of compassion and caring for this horse pi$$ed me off enough to do the right thing and cut her out of my life. She has 2 other horses, but I can't worry about that. I can't afford to be her friend any longer. She'll no doubt find another compassionate person to mooch off of.
To the OP, the time will come when you will tire of it. Only you will know when. I can't blame you for helping. We do it for the animal, not the useless human attached to it.
I am very tired of it. It truely saddens me because the only future that mare has if they decide to sell her is in a kill buyers truck. I did get a little angry with them last time. Pretty sure they have not followed through on working with her. I had to twitch her once just to get banamine into her. Again, gave them a large syringe and told them, start using it to give her applesauce now and then. She won't freak, strike etc if it has to be done with meds. I have 2 that when the need arises YES I call the vet or have the vet out. That is why I always have a small supply of meds on hand. It will usually take at least an hour to get one of the vets out. 1/2 hr if they are sitting in their truck doing nothing. Which we all know never happens when you have an emergency. LOL!
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Location: stray dump capital of the world | squeek - 2014-02-13 11:03 PM sophiebelle - 2014-02-13 5:04 PM kwanatha - 2014-02-13 6:52 AM There has always been and there will always be people who just go through life using people. It sucks when they use poor helpless animals to blackmail compasionate people. ^^^^^This is so true! I just cut the noose from around my neck with a so called 'friend' due to her overkill in mooching. She has the victimism part down like well trained actress. Fortunately for her horse that she abandoned out here, he gets fabulous care out of my bank account. The upside is after 10+ years of 'friendship,' her lack of compassion and caring for this horse pi$$ed me off enough to do the right thing and cut her out of my life. She has 2 other horses, but I can't worry about that. I can't afford to be her friend any longer. She'll no doubt find another compassionate person to mooch off of.
To the OP, the time will come when you will tire of it. Only you will know when. I can't blame you for helping. We do it for the animal, not the useless human attached to it.
I know you are sick of it. That's why you are posting here. You are doing it for the animal and that's the exact reason we all help moochers. It's a double edged sword. Help the horse and continue to be taken advantage of, or turn your back and have the guilt for the horse weigh on your conscience because the moocher has no conscience. I guess the saving grace in my situation is I allowed her to place the horse here, and she never showed back up. He is at least here, so I don't have to worry about facing her again.
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