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Location: So. California | After many discussions on another board about the new AQHA requirement for 5 panel (HYPP, PSSM1, GBED, HERDA, MH) on stallions breeding 25+ mares in 2014, what is your thoughts on this requirement for barrel horses? I see quite a few stallion owners getting their stallions tested now and results are starting to pop up in ads and on websites. Thoughts on testing mares? Do you require 5 panel test prior to purchasing a prospect? What about non-AQHA stock breeds? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I, to my knowledge, have never had one that had any of the 5 panel issues. I also keep up with most of the owners of my horses and none of them have had an issue. My stallion is entering the end of his breeding career so I will probably not bother with the expense.
I will however, test any future stallion we buy and most likely the mares. I may even do the mares we have now and will keep for a while. I think as a breeder, even if you have horses that don't carry the genetics of these diseases, it will help make your foals more marketable. There will be buyers out there that don't know what horses carry what genetic defects and may pass your horses over if they haven't been tested for ones that have been tested. |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I expect a test for a stallion or mare purchase. I am looking at a gelding but I will not bother test based on his pedigree. |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | I'm testing all of my horses and if they get a genetic test of PSSM2 I'll test for it as well. So far none of my horses have been positive for anything or shown signs of pssm2. |
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Location: Texas | I've tested all of our breeding stock for PSSM type 1 and several for the 5 panel. I won't breed to a stallion or buy a horse unless it is negative across the board for the 5 panel. |
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| Any stallion I will even consider must be negative across the board for 5 panel, because why take the chance of breeding something like that? There is no stallion good enough for me to risk my foal OR my foal's foals having a genetic disorder when there are plenty of N/N stallions out there that are nice quality. |
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Location: Texas | As of now I am not actively seeking only horses who have been 5 panel tested. But, once it comes around more, or if I know the horse has been tested- they must be negative on all 5 tests.
I haven't tested my mares yet and will probably wait until it becomes a requirement. I am not too concerned as their bloodlines wouldn't lead me to suspect any of the genetic diseases they are testing for. But I will gladly do the test if it becomes required. |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I wouldn't hesitate to breed to a stallion that was a GBED Carrier if I knew the mare was N/N. I will be testing all mares as well as my stallion. I already tested one of my mares and she is N/N across the board on the 5 panel test. (I only had the one mare at the time, I will also be testing the other mare I got since then.) It's not that I suspected anything, but YOU NEVER KNOW. Hence the reason for testing. I KNOW there is no chance for HYPP nor HERDA based on pedigree. The others you can't rule out based on pedigree alone. I also expect AQHA to require 5 panel testing on broodmares in the not too distant future. May as well do it "before the rush". |
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | This page is a quick recap of the 5 genetic diseases. http://manc.umd.edu/Abstracts2010/LenzHYPP%20abstract.pdf
The university of Minnesota http://www.cvm.umn.edu/umec/lab/home.html
GBED and HERDA are recessive
HYPP, PSSM1 and MH are dominant
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| Keep in mind AQHA, USC AT DAVIS and Minnesota are the HORSEMAN'S IRS.... they can invent more trash to tax you on than the real IRS ... by way of additional and always increasing fees .... THEY NEVER GET ENOUGH!!
I can't understand why anyone would support the 5 panel tests when there are NO realistic horse numbers presented in the reports .....
I almost puked when they said one went all the way back to King P234 .....
another one showed death rate of foals to be more than the death rate of all quarter horses combined ...
Another one said a horse would die if temperature was more than 104F ... of course they used 40C in the report since most americans are dumb on how to convert ... C to F .. and this is if they are going to be sedated with those air temperatures present or you could cool them down with water or fans .... duhhhh .... Ask anyone from Arizona why all of their horses are not dead when even nighttime temps stay above 95F with day time >115F ....
Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO ....
PSSM is another fad disease that vets and drug makers are making a mint off of ... instead of telling horse owner to get their horses in shape before they go run the HXXX out of them ...
HYPP was created by overdosing Impressive with steroids and the trainers and owners that did it are all in the AQHA HALL OF FAME ... please note that within 4-5 generations or 10 years the occurrence of HYPP is not an issue .... even with the APHA continuing to breed the supposed carriers ....
I dare any of you to show pictures and pedigrees of horses that YOU HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OR OWNED with any of the above ....
What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ...
And on the other hand ... be working on getting rid of the politicians that are embedded in AQHA taking money out of your families budget for meaningless imagined diseases ... and DNA tests ...
This 5 panel test is a money grab by everyone involved from your vet all the way to the labs and AQHA ...
I am definitely putting in a rule change form to AQHA and APHA for all horses in Colorado and Washington to have drug tests run for medical marijuana exposure or better yet make marijuana legal to be used as a pain and mood / brain changer for all horses in the USA...
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | It appears you don't science
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-13 12:54 AM Keep in mind AQHA, USC AT DAVIS and Minnesota are the HORSEMAN'S IRS.... they can invent more trash to tax you on than the real IRS ... by way of additional and always increasing fees .... THEY NEVER GET ENOUGH!! I can't understand why anyone would support the 5 panel tests when there are NO realistic horse numbers presented in the reports ..... I almost puked when they said one went all the way back to King P234 ..... another one showed death rate of foals to be more than the death rate of all quarter horses combined ... Another one said a horse would die if temperature was more than 104F ... of course they used 40C in the report since most americans are dumb on how to convert ... C to F .. and this is if they are going to be sedated with those air temperatures present or you could cool them down with water or fans .... duhhhh .... Ask anyone from Arizona why all of their horses are not dead when even nighttime temps stay above 95F with day time >115F .... Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO .... PSSM is another fad disease that vets and drug makers are making a mint off of ... instead of telling horse owner to get their horses in shape before they go run the HXXX out of them ... HYPP was created by overdosing Impressive with steroids and the trainers and owners that did it are all in the AQHA HALL OF FAME ... please note that within 4-5 generations or 10 years the occurrence of HYPP is not an issue .... even with the APHA continuing to breed the supposed carriers .... I dare any of you to show pictures and pedigrees of horses that YOU HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OR OWNED with any of the above .... What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ... And on the other hand ... be working on getting rid of the politicians that are embedded in AQHA taking money out of your families budget for meaningless imagined diseases ... and DNA tests ... This 5 panel test is a money grab by everyone involved from your vet all the way to the labs and AQHA ... I am definitely putting in a rule change form to AQHA and APHA for all horses in Colorado and Washington to have drug tests run for medical marijuana exposure or better yet make marijuana legal to be used as a pain and mood / brain changer for all horses in the USA...
Where do you get that Herda is made up? Not to mention the others but Herda can be seen with the eye, not just symptoms. Some of the best bred cutting QH stallions in the industry carry this and obviously so do the mares. Until you see the torn skin and loose flappy skin/scars, what you are babbling just sounds ignorant. The one thing they all have in common is multiple traces to King. Do some research before you spew nonsense. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Barrel horse USA, become educated about these diseases. They are real life. Not some made up money maker.
Ask this lady, Annemarea, about her real life PSSM horse
http://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=205159
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Location: Florida.. | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-13 2:54 AM Keep in mind AQHA, USC AT DAVIS and Minnesota are the HORSEMAN'S IRS.... they can invent more trash to tax you on than the real IRS ... by way of additional and always increasing fees .... THEY NEVER GET ENOUGH!! I can't understand why anyone would support the 5 panel tests when there are NO realistic horse numbers presented in the reports ..... I almost puked when they said one went all the way back to King P234 ..... another one showed death rate of foals to be more than the death rate of all quarter horses combined ... Another one said a horse would die if temperature was more than 104F ... of course they used 40C in the report since most americans are dumb on how to convert ... C to F .. and this is if they are going to be sedated with those air temperatures present or you could cool them down with water or fans .... duhhhh .... Ask anyone from Arizona why all of their horses are not dead when even nighttime temps stay above 95F with day time >115F .... Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO .... PSSM is another fad disease that vets and drug makers are making a mint off of ... instead of telling horse owner to get their horses in shape before they go run the HXXX out of them ... HYPP was created by overdosing Impressive with steroids and the trainers and owners that did it are all in the AQHA HALL OF FAME ... please note that within 4-5 generations or 10 years the occurrence of HYPP is not an issue .... even with the APHA continuing to breed the supposed carriers .... I dare any of you to show pictures and pedigrees of horses that YOU HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OR OWNED with any of the above .... What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ... And on the other hand ... be working on getting rid of the politicians that are embedded in AQHA taking money out of your families budget for meaningless imagined diseases ... and DNA tests ... This 5 panel test is a money grab by everyone involved from your vet all the way to the labs and AQHA ... I am definitely putting in a rule change form to AQHA and APHA for all horses in Colorado and Washington to have drug tests run for medical marijuana exposure or better yet make marijuana legal to be used as a pain and mood / brain changer for all horses in the USA...
you have no clue do you.
.raccoons, cats, armadillos, skunks, and sea otters have been shown to be intermediate hosts. The opossum is the definitive host of the disease. Horses most commonly contract EPM from grazing or watering in areas where an opossum has recently defecated.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | ....HYPP was created by overdosing Impressive with steroids and the trainers and owners that did it are all in the AQHA HALL OF FAME ... please note that within 4-5 generations or 10 years the occurrence of HYPP is not an issue .... even with the APHA continuing to breed the supposed carriers ....
I dare any of you to show pictures and pedigrees of horses that YOU HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OR OWNED with any of the above ....
Here you go: In 2005 my horse Tilt The Kilt dropped dead where he stood at 3 years of age from HYPP. Impressive is 5 generations back. HYPP doesn't dilute.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tilt+the+kilt
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-13 1:54 Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO
What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ... . I rarely EVER post on these types of threads but I just have to ask you ....DO YOU SMOKE DOPE????
Your dissertation was filled with so much mis-information and stupidity that I find myself having address a couple of issues.........
ONE: HERDA is NOT a made-up disease...I have personally seen a horse (that had to be put down) who had this disease and yes, it was a fourth generation Poco Bueno and NO>>>>It was NOT rain scald..........Have YOU ever actually seen a horse diagnosed with HERDA???? "Rain rot" certainly does NOT make the skin pull away from the underlying muscles in large sections.....and you are an idiot if you think it does......
TWO: Cats CAN be an "intermediate" host of EPM....they CAN carry the disease but can NOT reproduce the protozia. They CAN spread the disease to oppossum's (through the ingestion of a cat)...ONLY opposum's pass the protozoia on to the horse through their feces in feed or water.......
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Location: SW MO | All breeding stallions have to be tested this year before their foals born next spring can be registered |
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| Barrel horse USA_ I have no experience with the 5 panel testing. But your comments on HYPP concern me. I agree it is a man made problem. But I have a friend that raises top bred halter horses that are HYPP N/P. Her horses do have issues and problem from the HYPP. Now I don't agree with breeding N/P horses at all but she chooses too, and until AQHA changes it policy things will not change there. So your comment that 4-5 generations later show no problems is not exactly true. Your research has some holes in it. JMO |
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Location: Illinois | BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-13 1:54 AM Keep in mind AQHA, USC AT DAVIS and Minnesota are the HORSEMAN'S IRS.... they can invent more trash to tax you on than the real IRS ... by way of additional and always increasing fees .... THEY NEVER GET ENOUGH!! I can't understand why anyone would support the 5 panel tests when there are NO realistic horse numbers presented in the reports ..... I almost puked when they said one went all the way back to King P234 ..... another one showed death rate of foals to be more than the death rate of all quarter horses combined ... Another one said a horse would die if temperature was more than 104F ... of course they used 40C in the report since most americans are dumb on how to convert ... C to F .. and this is if they are going to be sedated with those air temperatures present or you could cool them down with water or fans .... duhhhh .... Ask anyone from Arizona why all of their horses are not dead when even nighttime temps stay above 95F with day time >115F .... Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO .... PSSM is another fad disease that vets and drug makers are making a mint off of ... instead of telling horse owner to get their horses in shape before they go run the HXXX out of them ... HYPP was created by overdosing Impressive with steroids and the trainers and owners that did it are all in the AQHA HALL OF FAME ... please note that within 4-5 generations or 10 years the occurrence of HYPP is not an issue .... even with the APHA continuing to breed the supposed carriers .... I dare any of you to show pictures and pedigrees of horses that YOU HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OR OWNED with any of the above .... What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ... And on the other hand ... be working on getting rid of the politicians that are embedded in AQHA taking money out of your families budget for meaningless imagined diseases ... and DNA tests ... This 5 panel test is a money grab by everyone involved from your vet all the way to the labs and AQHA ... I am definitely putting in a rule change form to AQHA and APHA for all horses in Colorado and Washington to have drug tests run for medical marijuana exposure or better yet make marijuana legal to be used as a pain and mood / brain changer for all horses in the USA...
I work in cattle/swine genetics and have actually done quite a bit of work in cattle and sheep genetic defects and currently have about a dozen tests out there being used worldwide. The PhD student that worked on GBE from Minnesota spent time in my lab while she was trying to find the mutation, so I have seen this first hand. These things are quite real and not "imagined". HYPP was created by steroids? That's actually a new one I hadn't heard that before. I personally know one of the authors on the HERDA paper, have done some work with him on a sheep defect. Nice guy, good scientist. I'd be happy to send you a copy of the actual paper if you'd like to read it, or any of the papers, I have access to quite a few.
My only comment would be more education for breeders. I think genetics are not very well understood by a lot of people. I've had guys call in and are worried that their carrier bull is going to infect their clean cows with his genetic defect by breeding them, sometimes these things just skip generations, and just because the original animal is a carrier the clone might not be.... I do think that AQHA should probably list animal clean by pedigree, provided they are parentally verified and both parents are genotyped free, so you don't have to test for everything when it's not necessary. |
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Location: Texas | We have a HERDA horse in the anatomy lab. it's real. LOL. |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | crossspur - 2014-02-13 6:55 AM All breeding stallions have to be tested this year before their foals born next spring can be registered
Stallions only have to be done this year if they are breeding 25 or more mares. (In order for their 2015 foals to be registered.) Next year it is ALL stallions. |
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Location: Midwest | casualdust07 - 2014-02-13 11:43 AM We have a HERDA horse in the anatomy lab. it's real. LOL.
come on now, you know it's just rain rot
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 You just got to get mean and mean it.
Location: Arkansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-02-13 6:36 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-13 12:54 AM Keep in mind AQHA, USC AT DAVIS and Minnesota are the HORSEMAN'S IRS.... they can invent more trash to tax you on than the real IRS ... by way of additional and always increasing fees .... THEY NEVER GET ENOUGH!! I can't understand why anyone would support the 5 panel tests when there are NO realistic horse numbers presented in the reports ..... I almost puked when they said one went all the way back to King P234 ..... another one showed death rate of foals to be more than the death rate of all quarter horses combined ... Another one said a horse would die if temperature was more than 104F ... of course they used 40C in the report since most americans are dumb on how to convert ... C to F .. and this is if they are going to be sedated with those air temperatures present or you could cool them down with water or fans .... duhhhh .... Ask anyone from Arizona why all of their horses are not dead when even nighttime temps stay above 95F with day time >115F .... Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO .... PSSM is another fad disease that vets and drug makers are making a mint off of ... instead of telling horse owner to get their horses in shape before they go run the HXXX out of them ... HYPP was created by overdosing Impressive with steroids and the trainers and owners that did it are all in the AQHA HALL OF FAME ... please note that within 4-5 generations or 10 years the occurrence of HYPP is not an issue .... even with the APHA continuing to breed the supposed carriers .... I dare any of you to show pictures and pedigrees of horses that YOU HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN OR OWNED with any of the above .... What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ... And on the other hand ... be working on getting rid of the politicians that are embedded in AQHA taking money out of your families budget for meaningless imagined diseases ... and DNA tests ... This 5 panel test is a money grab by everyone involved from your vet all the way to the labs and AQHA ... I am definitely putting in a rule change form to AQHA and APHA for all horses in Colorado and Washington to have drug tests run for medical marijuana exposure or better yet make marijuana legal to be used as a pain and mood / brain changer for all horses in the USA... Where do you get that Herda is made up? Not to mention the others but Herda can be seen with the eye, not just symptoms. Some of the best bred cutting QH stallions in the industry carry this and obviously so do the mares. Until you see the torn skin and loose flappy skin/scars, what you are babbling just sounds ignorant. The one thing they all have in common is multiple traces to King. Do some research before you spew nonsense.
This is the same nut who said that HERDA was Lousiana rain rot!
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I just want to know why we are picking on Louisiana right now? Is our rain rot different then everyone else's? I feel like we're being discriminated against lol. |
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You just got to get mean and mean it.
Location: Arkansas | LRQHS - 2014-02-13 2:02 PM I just want to know why we are picking on Louisiana right now? Is our rain rot different then everyone else's? I feel like we're being discriminated against lol.
I didn't call it Lousiana swamp/rain rot. Num-nut is the one who named it! Way back when HERDA was first noticed. Yes, he's been around that long.  |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Lobo - 2014-02-13 2:08 PM LRQHS - 2014-02-13 2:02 PM I just want to know why we are picking on Louisiana right now? Is our rain rot different then everyone else's? I feel like we're being discriminated against lol. I didn't call it Lousiana swamp/rain rot. Num-nut is the one who named it! Way back when HERDA was first noticed. Yes, he's been around that long.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Poor Louisiana.....we get all the hurricanes, we can't speak comprehensible English AND NOW, we invented the blasted rain rot....smh..... |
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Location: Iowa | RacingQH - 2014-02-13 12:00 PM crossspur - 2014-02-13 6:55 AM All breeding stallions have to be tested this year before their foals born next spring can be registered Stallions only have to be done this year if they are breeding 25 or more mares. (In order for their 2015 foals to be registered.) Next year it is ALL stallions.
How is it the owners of AQHA stallions are not yet aware that this test needs to be done? I talked to a owner who breeds over 300 mares a year and he didnt know anything about it!! AQHA hasn't mentioned a word to him! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I have tested my stallion. N/N across the board. I have sent in the test kits for 2 of my mares and will be testing all of them in time.
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Location: So. California | Louisiana rain rot? That came out of right field...
HERDA:Hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (HERDA) aka hyperelastosis cutis (HC), is an inherited autosomal recessive connective tissue disorder. It develops from a homozygous recessive mutation that weakens collagen fibers that allow the skin of the animal to stay connected to the rest of the animal. Affected horses have extremely fragile skinthat tears easily and exhibits impaired healing. In horses with HC, the skin separates between the deep and superficial dermis. There is no cure. Most affected individuals receive an injury they cannot heal, and are euthanized. Managed breeding strategy is currently the only option for reducing the incidence of the disease.
The disease is found primarily in the American Quarter Horse, specifically in cutting horse lines. Affected horses have been found to trace to the stallion Poco Bueno, or possibly, farther back to one of his ancestors. HERDA is characterized by abnormal skin along the back that tears or rips easily and heals into disfiguring scars. The skin is loose, and hyper-elastic in affected horses. Symptoms typically don’t appear until the horse is subjected to pressure or injury on their back, neck or hips, usually around two years of age. However foals can show signs when injured, while other horses mature and only show signs in the joints.[2] The expression of HERDA is variable, and the phenotypic range of expression is still being determined. After being tested, the results either show "normal", "carrier" or "affected" and can be determined by DNA testing of either a blood or hair sample. - N/N - Normal: does not have the HERDA gene
- N/HRD- Carrier: carries one copy of the gene
- HRD/HRD- Affected: has two copies of the gene
The expected lifespan of an affected horse is 2–4 years. There is currently no cure for this disease. To prevent it from occurring, the only solution is not to breed horses who both carry the HERDA allele.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hereditary_equine_regional_dermal_asthenia
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Location: Iowa | OregonBR - 2014-02-13 3:30 PM I have tested my stallion. N/N across the board. I have sent in the test kits for 2 of my mares and will be testing all of them in time.
I hope it makes a difference to people who buy that both parents will be tested and N/N.
Were you notified by AQHA that this test is manditory in 2014 for studs that breed over 25 mares? |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Evittranch - 2014-02-13 1:38 PM OregonBR - 2014-02-13 3:30 PM I have tested my stallion. N/N across the board. I have sent in the test kits for 2 of my mares and will be testing all of them in time.
I hope it makes a difference to people who buy that both parents will be tested and N/N.
No. I found out about it here on BHW. Went and read the new rule on the AQHA website.  |
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Location: Where I am happiest | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlWuSOauz98 Here is a video of the famed rain rot called HERDA.
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Common Sense and then some
Location: So. California | daisycake123 - 2014-02-13 7:17 PM Anbody have a stallion.
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Evittranch - 2014-02-13 1:14 PM
RacingQH - 2014-02-13 12:00 PM crossspur - 2014-02-13 6:55 AM All breeding stallions have to be tested this year before their foals born next spring can be registered Stallions only have to be done this year if they are breeding 25 or more mares. (In order for their 2015 foals to be registered.) Next year it is ALL stallions. How is it the owners of AQHA stallions are not yet aware that this test needs to be done? I talked to a owner who breeds over 300 mares a year and he didnt know anything about it!! AQHA hasn't mentioned a word to him!
It's up to the owners to keep up with new rules. (Rules are changed and new rules implemented every year. I'm talking rules in general, not just as far as breeding goes.) It (talk about 5 panel testing being mandatory.) is in the 2014 rule book and has been on the AQHA website for months. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Evittranch - 2014-02-13 3:38 PM
OregonBR - 2014-02-13 3:30 PM I have tested my stallion. N/N across the board. I have sent in the test kits for 2 of my mares and will be testing all of them in time.
I hope it makes a difference to people who buy that both parents will be tested and N/N.
When I got all of my foal registration applications, I also got a letter/brochure with them that said we were going to have to test Firewater Finale for 2014. So that was how I found out. He breeds more mares than our other stallion does, so I am assuming why I got the letter in his foal registrations and not our other stallion's. |
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Location: So. California | Way to go Pitzer Ranch!! They have 5 panel tested all of their stallions and listed results. They are also testing their deceased stallions, and, testing their entire herd of mares!!! It'll take time, but they are committed to the AQHA breed 
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Anniemae - 2014-02-19 2:15 PM Way to go Pitzer Ranch!! They have 5 panel tested all of their stallions and listed results. They are also testing their deceased stallions, and, testing their entire herd of mares!!! It'll take time, but they are committed to the AQHA breed
6666 Ranch has also tested all of the stallions they stand. Their results are available on their individual pages. (Several of the ranch/performance stallions are NOT N/N across the board, but they are STILL showing their results.) |
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Location: Here | RacingQH - 2014-02-20 12:06 PM Anniemae - 2014-02-19 2:15 PM Way to go Pitzer Ranch!! They have 5 panel tested all of their stallions and listed results. They are also testing their deceased stallions, and, testing their entire herd of mares!!! It'll take time, but they are committed to the AQHA breed
Bravo!
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Location: Here | okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation |
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | SG. - 2014-02-20 11:30 AM okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation
Kind of like Epigenetics? |
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Location: Here | equussynergy - 2014-02-20 12:51 PM SG. - 2014-02-20 11:30 AM okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation Kind of like Epigenetics?
No... Our own Dna mutates because of different factors. Food environment etc |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2014-02-13 8:46 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2014-02-13 1:54 Of course everyone has seen the one photograph of a bad case of sun/rain scald on a Mississippi or Louisiana horse provided by the dimwit that invented the HERDA DNA nonsense ... and again it traces back to KING P234 THRU POCO BUENO
What you need to be doing is getting rid of all of your barn and house cats that are the principal carriers of EPM ... NOT THE POSSUM ... who carries an entirely different strain that does not affect horses or other livestock ... . I rarely EVER post on these types of threads but I just have to ask you ....DO YOU SMOKE DOPE????
Your dissertation was filled with so much mis-information and stupidity that I find myself having address a couple of issues.........
ONE: HERDA is NOT a made-up disease...I have personally seen a horse (that had to be put down) who had this disease and yes, it was a fourth generation Poco Bueno and NO>>>>It was NOT rain scald..........Have YOU ever actually seen a horse diagnosed with HERDA???? "Rain rot" certainly does NOT make the skin pull away from the underlying muscles in large sections.....and you are an idiot if you think it does......
TWO: Cats CAN be an "intermediate" host of EPM....they CAN carry the disease but can NOT reproduce the protozia. They CAN spread the disease to oppossum's (through the ingestion of a cat)...ONLY opposum's pass the protozoia on to the horse through their feces in feed or water.......
O shoot! This seriously made me crack up! O goodness Norma, thanks for the laugh LOL |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | SG. - 2014-02-20 10:30 AM okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation
Considering these defects have been around for 1000's of years, I wouldn't worry too much about new mutations. They might happen in the future but there's nothing we can do about it. The mutation may be a good mutation that improves horses who have it (think X Factor Heartlines) or it may be an undesireable mutation such as HYPP.
I just read something today about PSSM1 possibly being a GOOD mutation when horses didn't get fed like they do today. i.e. grain. They got worked harder and had to rough it on low nutrition diets. Now of course we feed differently than horses evolved to eat, so we notice these problems more and the same mutation that used to be good is now bad. |
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Location: Here | OregonBR - 2014-02-20 5:36 PM SG. - 2014-02-20 10:30 AM okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation Considering these defects have been around for 1000's of years, I wouldn't worry too much about new mutations. They might happen in the future but there's nothing we can do about it. The mutation may be a good mutation that improves horses who have it (think X Factor Heartlines) or it may be an undesireable mutation such as HYPP.
I just read something today about PSSM1 possibly being a GOOD mutation when horses didn't get fed like they do today. i.e. grain. They got worked harder and had to rough it on low nutrition diets. Now of course we feed differently than horses evolved to eat, so we notice these problems more and the same mutation that used to be good is now bad.
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 "Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | OregonBR - 2014-02-20 5:36 PM
SG. - 2014-02-20 10:30 AM okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation
Considering these defects have been around for 1000's of years, I wouldn't worry too much about new mutations. They might happen in the future but there's nothing we can do about it. The mutation may be a good mutation that improves horses who have it (think X Factor Heartlines) or it may be an undesireable mutation such as HYPP.
I just read something today about PSSM1 possibly being a GOOD mutation when horses didn't get fed like they do today. i.e. grain. They got worked harder and had to rough it on low nutrition diets. Now of course we feed differently than horses evolved to eat, so we notice these problems more and the same mutation that used to be good is now bad.
Exactly! When horses were worked....actually had a job....then it could be a good thing to have excess energy (glycogen) storage and an actual benefit. But today, we are using them as "hobbies" and feeding lots of concentrates/high starch diets. |
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"Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | OregonBR - 2014-02-20 5:36 PM
SG. - 2014-02-20 10:30 AM okay I have a question.
We all know right? that our own DNA can mutate. So just because a stallion isn't positive at this point what is to say his Dna for this stuff won't mutate later? Just concerns me the more I read about factors that can cause DNA to mutate. Will this really be a sound test? I have done a lot of reading on DNA mutations and What guarantee do we have that this stuff is really being transferred? I quess I am questioning the PSSM1 stuff because what I read is it is clearly a gene mutation
Considering these defects have been around for 1000's of years, I wouldn't worry too much about new mutations. They might happen in the future but there's nothing we can do about it. The mutation may be a good mutation that improves horses who have it (think X Factor Heartlines) or it may be an undesireable mutation such as HYPP.
I just read something today about PSSM1 possibly being a GOOD mutation when horses didn't get fed like they do today. i.e. grain. They got worked harder and had to rough it on low nutrition diets. Now of course we feed differently than horses evolved to eat, so we notice these problems more and the same mutation that used to be good is now bad.
Exactly! When horses were worked....actually had a job....then it could be a good thing to have excess energy (glycogen) storage and an actual benefit. But today, we are using them as "hobbies" and feeding lots of concentrates/high starch diets. |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I wonder if the above is why some folks have "issues" with their horses, yet others say they are nonsymptomatic?? Maybe the ones that aren't seeing a problem are being used, and/or not being "fed up" |
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Location: Here | RacingQH - 2014-02-20 9:56 PM
I wonder if the above is why some folks have "issues" with their horses, yet others say they are nonsymptomatic?? Maybe the ones that aren't seeing a problem are being used, and/or not being "fed up"
Exactly! and makes me wonder about all this genetic testing. Where is it going to end? |
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"Drank the Kool Aid"
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Location: Iowa, LA | RacingQH - 2014-02-20 9:56 PM
I wonder if the above is why some folks have "issues" with their horses, yet others say they are nonsymptomatic?? Maybe the ones that aren't seeing a problem are being used, and/or not being "fed up"
I think it has a lot to do with it! Also, these symptoms can be so easily confused with other issues, such as loose/sticky stifles, hock problems, saddle fit, ulcers, etc. And if you just saw my two out in the pasture, you'd never know anything was wrong. Neither of mine tie up. |
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