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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | A lot of people got mad that they did the big evil C ( clone) word with him. From what I have read |
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Location: Kansas | More frenchmans guy babies/grandbabies for me to look at!!!
I absolutely love FG, I have a granddaughter of his cross on a mr eye opener daughter....and she is the sweetest thing I've ever owned. I can't wait until she is old enough for me to start putting rides on |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Well I love mine and the fact that he was cloned won't keep me from buying them or breeding to him. I've got a son and daughter both and they are so nice. I've got a FG baby due the end of March and theres a contract for this year for FG on the good DTF daughter I futuritied in 2012. They still sell well so i
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I would love to have a FG baby. |
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I should add I love him and a mare by him is on my dream list. You can't knock his accomplishments. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | The only thing that would deter me from a Frenchman's Guy would be if I were looking for another stallion prospect. I probably wouldn't want a son of his, because there are just so many out there. I'd love to have one for riding though and wouldn't mind crossing a daughter on Scorcho. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | barrelracr131 - 2014-02-13 1:12 PM (V) (;,,;) (V) Why not Zoidberg?
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Location: Kansas | barrelracr131 - 2014-02-13 1:12 PM (V) (;,,;) (V) Why not Zoidberg?
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Location: Winds-A-Blowen, Oklahoma | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-13 1:10 PM Some have been known to be counterfeit, some people say late to mature, and some say they blow up easy
and just plain pricky. It's a mind game for everything and they have the will to out last ya. Gotta start young with them, before they get a stubborn mind of their own. But then again all the good ones always have a cork or 2 or 3, LOL!!!
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-13 1:10 PM Some have been known to be counterfeit, some people say late to mature, and some say they blow up easy
I agree that people would see that. I've seen a couple that were "touchy" like that.
Extremely smart horses usually don't do well with the general public and get a bad rep as "crazy" or "touchy". The thing about it is in the right hands, those same horses are usually phenomenal performers.
We've got a FG grandaughter. She does require special handling but she's a pocket pony and will try her heart out for you and has athleticism to boot. I'd take another. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I owned a FG daughter and she just wasn't a very athletic horse....very stiff, hard to shape, etc... She was a pretty mare, but just didn't feel very athletic, etc... I sold her to someone who sold her to someone who uses her as a play day horse.
That being said, I wouldn't hesitate to own another, but my hands are already too full! If I had to choose one sire of a dream colt, it would be FG. In my book, he's the "Gold Standard". Besides, I love the fact that he's South Dakota boy. I love seeing people in the Midwest excell. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Running Drums - 2014-02-13 1:31 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-13 1:10 PM Some have been known to be counterfeit, some people say late to mature, and some say they blow up easy
and just plain pricky. It's a mind game for everything and they have the will to out last ya. Gotta start young with them, before they get a stubborn mind of their own. But then again all the good ones always have a cork or 2 or 3, LOL!!!
This is what I had heard also as a reason someone wouldnt be interested in one. Hot minded and easily blown. Id say it depends what theyre crossed on for sure. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | They need a job. I really believe it comes from the Docs Jack Frost, I've had plenty of those over the years. I love them to death. In this part of the country a horse has to be tough and these horses will go all day long and work their tail off. I guess for every one person that is sceered to ride one there's 5 more people that will snatch one up in a heartbeat. |
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Location: ND | I own two FG grandget. They're definately not the type of horse that will fit anybody. They're very sensitive & responsive. But they're also super gritty, work all day & give you everything they have type of horses. I love both of mine & would definately be willing to own more of them. Only mistake I made as far as FG bred horses are concerned is waiting so long to give one a try!!!
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I've loved my daughters and grandkids. They are like everything. Some people like them and some people don't. I happen to be on the like side. Never met one I didn't like. There are other "popular" lines I don't like. |
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Location: The money window | I've got a Frenchman's Guy/Alive N Firen bred filly (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sheza+firen+girl), and she's a VERY nice 2YO. Quirky and can buck like a saddle bronc (and ain't afraid to either), and can be a little touchy, but she is the quickest learner I've worked with yet -- just catches on super fast. Real sweet too, and just loves being around people.
She is full of personality, and one of the most confident horses I know -- as a long yearling she kicks around the older horses. Lead mare included!
Definitely not gonna be a horse for a timid rider, but if you treat her like a lady, she is extremely willing to please.
I think she's going to be something else in the barrel pen...but then again I'm biased ;)
I would take another FG any day, if I didn't already have too many horses.
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Location: North Dakota | SaraJean - 2014-02-13 3:08 PM I own two FG grandget. They're definately not the type of horse that will fit anybody. They're very sensitive & responsive. But they're also super gritty, work all day & give you everything they have type of horses. I love both of mine & would definately be willing to own more of them. Only mistake I made as far as FG bred horses are concerned is waiting so long to give one a try!!!
I own my first FG granddaughter and feel like Sarah. Too bad I waited so long to get one.
I'm excited because I am expecting an ASNY baby in May and am breeding my mare in 2014 to Frenchmans Fabulous. I am having fun with the FG granddaughter. So VERY smart. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ridejg - 2014-02-13 3:53 PM I vote for FG to be the next face on Mt Rushmore
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| CYA Ranch - 2014-02-13 4:59 PM
ridejg - 2014-02-13 3:53 PM I vote for FG to be the next face on Mt Rushmore
Too late, I heard Obama made an executive decision to put his face up there...How about crazy frenchman horse? |
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| I think some say it because they are just jealous they can't have one. 
We started out with a daughter that was a broodmare and she was really nice to have. Unfortunately we lost her, but she was the most gorgeous mare I laid eyes on.
We have a coming 2 y/o filly that we've raised that has been nothing but wonderful. She's easy going, handles everything well, and loves attention and people.
I recently bought a 3 year old daughter from Myers sale that was riding nice. The first few times I got on her, I was actually kind of scared of her because she knew TOO much. She was extremely responsive, quick, and light. She was so nice that I was freaked out I was going to send her wrong signals and screw her up! Because of Minnesotas awesome winter I probably only get to ride her 1-2x a month and she rides off like a dream. I guess I didn't get a "broncy" one ;) when I do ride her, I feel like I hardly get any ride time in on her.... She does everything I ask so well that I put her away and get on another horse lol.
I think the people that can't get along with them are the type of riders that don't know when to quit. They say if you show them how to do something wrong, it's hard to take that back and show them what's right. They retain EVERYTHING!
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Location: Winds-A-Blowen, Oklahoma | MuddyChestnut - 2014-02-13 3:46 PM I've got a Frenchman's Guy/Alive N Firen bred filly (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sheza+firen+girl), and she's a VERY nice 2YO. Quirky and can buck like a saddle bronc (and ain't afraid to either), and can be a little touchy, but she is the quickest learner I've worked with yet -- just catches on super fast. Real sweet too, and just loves being around people. She is full of personality, and one of the most confident horses I know -- as a long yearling she kicks around the older horses. Lead mare included! Definitely not gonna be a horse for a timid rider, but if you treat her like a lady, she is extremely willing to please. I think she's going to be something else in the barrel pen...but then again I'm biased ;) I would take another FG any day, if I didn't already have too many horses.
LOL, I'd say the buck comes from the Alive N Firen side of her pedigree. I've got one and she'll buck like no other i've sat on. She is a classy profiling mare and has more natural athletic ability then she knows what to do with. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-02-13 2:12 PM (V) (;,,;) (V) Why not Zoidberg?
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| I would love to have one but i am scared that there not enough speed wit my mare to make it work. I might call the meyere and ask,them. I just scared i will get a 2-d worker. Which is not,bad at all but i want to try to get a little more speed out of my mare. She was a nice horse:-)and i mis her every day. I know when i start taking my filly that i need something at hime cause someone is going to want my filly as she is a looker and i knowmshe can move. I want one more bad ass horse, as i am 55 years old. My mare is nice i have not riden her in over 3 years and i inow i can get her injected and get her into,shape ride her swin her whatever send her down the alley and the winch will turn.
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Location: Texas | I've been really happy with my colt so far. he's a first down french out of a stoli mare. Everything we have done with him has been easy- halter breaking, leading, picking up feet, farrier stuff, vet stuff. All easy. My confederate leader filly has more spunk and fire to her. My colt is an in your pocket type, and she is more of a run around and snort at you..LOL. |
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| I've talked to a couple trainers and they have just said he doesn't have the speed to stay away. It depends what you cross him with. Personally for me I like to look at variety and scrolling through stallions and seeing SO many sons at stud is a bit of a turn off. If everyone and they'r mom has one... lol i want something different. That's just me. It seems recently there has been more and more FG offspring that are priced very affordable. I wont NOT buy a horse because of a bloodline, but I'm not going to go look specifically for that line either. |
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Location: TN | I really want a FG baby. I'm considering a FG grandbaby out of either a cowbred (Genuine Doc) mare or a running bred (Dash for Cash) mare. I've been leaning towards the cowbred mare because of looks and size mostly. Their personalities are similar. Since some of you have said FG doesn't always have the speed, would I be better off going with a baby out of the running bred mare?
The goal for the baby would be to be a barrel horse.
Sorry OP I'm not trying to steal the thread, I'm just like you and want to know more about FG babies from those who have been around them.
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Location: Texas | I think FG has some potent genetics to make amazing barrel horses. I would like to see him crossed on running mares. I think when crossed on a runner you have the potential for a lethal barrel horse. I just can't deny what he's done for the barrel horse industry. I think his babies have had a ton of success with a variety of different riders. Sure some of them end up in the 2D or slower but if you look at all the big stallions out there, it happens with all of them. Not every single baby out of every single mare will be a star. But the odds are definitely in your favor!! |
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Location: Off to a barrel race... | I have a GD of FG crossed on a Special Effort mare I'm really excited about. From day one she has been a gem. I didn't get the "bronc" everyone talks about either. Smart as a whip and in my pocket. Loves to work, I'd own 5 more if I could! |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | KatieMac88 - 2014-02-13 9:04 PM I really want a FG baby. I'm considering a FG grandbaby out of either a cowbred (Genuine Doc) mare or a running bred (Dash for Cash) mare. I've been leaning towards the cowbred mare because of looks and size mostly. Their personalities are similar. Since some of you have said FG doesn't always have the speed, would I be better off going with a baby out of the running bred mare?
The goal for the baby would be to be a barrel horse.
Sorry OP I'm not trying to steal the thread, I'm just like you and want to know more about FG babies from those who have been around them. Not necessarily. My FG son has won a lot and he is out of a foundation/working bred mare. He had plenty of speed and his best attribute as a rodeo horse was the athleticism and ability to run stand up on ANY kind of ground. And there have been several others that have done very well, out of cow bred mares. A Smooth Guy had a full sister that was a futurity standout, if I remember right.
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| Runnin < C > - 2014-02-13 2:47 PM Running Drums - 2014-02-13 1:31 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-02-13 1:10 PM Some have been known to be counterfeit, some people say late to mature, and some say they blow up easy
and just plain pricky. It's a mind game for everything and they have the will to out last ya. Gotta start young with them, before they get a stubborn mind of their own. But then again all the good ones always have a cork or 2 or 3, LOL!!! This is what I had heard also as a reason someone wouldnt be interested in one. Hot minded and easily blown. Id say it depends what theyre crossed on for sure.
If we are talking Frenchman Guy sons/dgtrs I can't contribute first hand. But if we are talking about the Frenchmans Guy bred horses I can say this, we have had and have a pasture full of them. Not one has been broncy, pricks, easily blown up, hot or anything similar. But we sure haven't rode everyone out there and maybe they just work for us.
There are going to be ups and downs with any bloodline and the only real way to know about them is to go out and ride a bunch. Not one for a day or two or based on what people say. Unfortunately that isn't an option, if it was horse shopping would be a heck of a lot easier!
As for the speed, it might not be there or maybe it is but if you really look at his pedigree he has some run in those lines. |
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Location: Montana | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-14 1:01 PM They need a job. I really believe it comes from the Docs Jack Frost, I've had plenty of those over the years. I love them to death. In this part of the country a horse has to be tough and these horses will go all day long and work their tail off. I guess for every one person that is sceered to ride one there's 5 more people that will snatch one up in a heartbeat.
A friend of mines grandmother bought a own daughter of DJF out of Hermiston sale many moons ago, that mare IMO opinion was half crazy, but if you could get past that she was crazy athletic. Honestly I think someone would have gone far with her if they had the time to just mess with her. |
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Location: NW MT | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-13 2:01 PM They need a job. I really believe it comes from the Docs Jack Frost, I've had plenty of those over the years. I love them to death. In this part of the country a horse has to be tough and these horses will go all day long and work their tail off. I guess for every one person that is sceered to ride one there's 5 more people that will snatch one up in a heartbeat.
I would say I agree with you Val! I had a grandson of DJF http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jet+frost and he was one who needed a job for sure. Since I am old, he wore me out! LOL Katie owns him now and even though he's 20 this year, he is still the energizer bunny! He is one tough, gritty horse and I have NEVER seen him give up or say he was tired. He has always been a fun boy tho - barrels, rope both ends, cattle - you name it, Foster would give it a go! |
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Location: Central TX | i made my wpra circuit finals multiple times on a FG son. They are solid, they can handle the road, and i would take one colt by FG over 5 colts by other trendy bloodlines any day. If youre style mesh's with them, they rock.
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| The ones I had were great. They were almost too easy to start and get going. Both were very athletic and knew how to use themselves naturally. They both had a stubborn streak, and you had to show them the right way first, they never forgot a thing. They could be on the lazy side. For me personally I like a more reactive horse. OI would never say no to another, but do not seek them out.
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Location: PA | I have a granddaughter that I love! I do agree with others, that they aren't for everyone. She's extremely athletic, gritty, smart...but she's sensitive. She remembers EVERYTHING, good and bad.
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Location: GA | rockinas - 2014-02-13 10:53 PM
KatieMac88 - 2014-02-13 9:04 PM I really want a FG baby. I'm considering a FG grandbaby out of either a cowbred (Genuine Doc) mare or a running bred (Dash for Cash) mare. I've been leaning towards the cowbred mare because of looks and size mostly. Their personalities are similar. Since some of you have said FG doesn't always have the speed, would I be better off going with a baby out of the running bred mare?
The goal for the baby would be to be a barrel horse.
Sorry OP I'm not trying to steal the thread, I'm just like you and want to know more about FG babies from those who have been around them. Not necessarily. My FG son has won a lot and he is out of a foundation/working bred mare. He had plenty of speed and his best attribute as a rodeo horse was the athleticism and ability to run stand up on ANY kind of ground. And there have been several others that have done very well, out of cow bred mares. A Smooth Guy had a full sister that was a futurity standout, if I remember right.
Check out Sabra O'Quinns FB page for the mare Bring It On Guys. She's an example, much like rockinas stallion, of FG crossed on "Peppy" lines. That mare was 3rd in the 2013 Old Fort Days Futurity, earning $16,870. She also won all three go's of the 5-States Futurity.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bring+it+on+guys
An example of it working with a daughter of FG would be Vanilas Whiskey Girl, out of SX Frenchmans Vanila and she has cowy, "Peppy" lines on top. She won the 2010 Hawki Futurity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7Bm2eJ85g&sns=em
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vanilas+whiskey+girl
With that being said, I'm excited to see what my FG/cow bred cross is gonna do! :) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pardonmyfrenchmiss
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Location: missouri | Why wouldn't anyone want one? They are pretty, have great comformation and good bone, very versatile. How many DTF do you see that can rope, steer wrestle, cut, and run barrels? All the speed in the world isn't worth a dime if it can't turn and doesn't stay sound. There's a few bad apples in every line and they don't cross on every type mare but look at the results and they are proving themselves. Some of them do mature late but they will still be going down the road when those other ones are blown up and crippled. I think some people aren't smart enough to ride them. jmo |
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Every horse is an individual. I have been around plenty FG's and none of them were exactly alike, but all had the ability to be stellar barrel horses, or just performance horse in general. They are amazing because they are versatile. The Meyers know what they are doing. FG's are only getting better. They have figured out what works and they are building on it, every year. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Rockyroad - 2014-02-13 11:36 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-13 2:01 PM They need a job. I really believe it comes from the Docs Jack Frost, I've had plenty of those over the years. I love them to death. In this part of the country a horse has to be tough and these horses will go all day long and work their tail off. I guess for every one person that is sceered to ride one there's 5 more people that will snatch one up in a heartbeat. I would say I agree with you Val! I had a grandson of DJF http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jet+frost and he was one who needed a job for sure. Since I am old, he wore me out! LOL Katie owns him now and even though he's 20 this year, he is still the energizer bunny! He is one tough, gritty horse and I have NEVER seen him give up or say he was tired. He has always been a fun boy tho - barrels, rope both ends, cattle - you name it, Foster would give it a go!
Love the pedigree! What you described sounds very familiar. The ones that I have will do absolutely anything you throw at them and do it with gusto. I don't think the term "quit" is in their vocabulary. LOL
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Location: Viola, IL | We have a grandson, and other than FG on his papers, he's pretty much all old cow lines. That being said, I love him. He's not easy to get along with, but that's not his fault. Previous-previous owners weren't the nicest to hm, and he figured out that bucking could get away from their hard hands. He's the quietest, easy going stallion I've ever owned and bred. He's in a barn full of mares and they could all be in heat and you wouldn't know. But, like I said, HE CAN BUCK, but it's a man made issue that we've worked hard to get that issue resolved. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | just because someone doesn't like a bloodline, doesn't mean they are jealous. Why would that even be brought up? There are several bloodlines I don't want when buying, they don't work for me, simple as that. |
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Location: South Dakota | ridejg - 2014-02-13 3:53 PM
I vote for FG to be the next face on Mt Rushmore
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I stopped by and visited with David James today and took a look at this marvelous new stallion MP JET TO THE SUN .... http://www.jamesranchok.com/mp-jet-to-the-sun
Earner of over 400 AQHA roping points and is qualified as a sire for Brazil importation.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mp+jet+to+the+sun
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Location: torrington, wy | Ours is a bucking counterfit no run doesn't want to be a rope horse and is a very expensive pretty pony.
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Location: TN | koi322 - 2014-02-14 8:05 AM rockinas - 2014-02-13 10:53 PM KatieMac88 - 2014-02-13 9:04 PM I really want a FG baby. I'm considering a FG grandbaby out of either a cowbred (Genuine Doc) mare or a running bred (Dash for Cash) mare. I've been leaning towards the cowbred mare because of looks and size mostly. Their personalities are similar. Since some of you have said FG doesn't always have the speed, would I be better off going with a baby out of the running bred mare?
The goal for the baby would be to be a barrel horse.
Sorry OP I'm not trying to steal the thread, I'm just like you and want to know more about FG babies from those who have been around them. Not necessarily. My FG son has won a lot and he is out of a foundation/working bred mare. He had plenty of speed and his best attribute as a rodeo horse was the athleticism and ability to run stand up on ANY kind of ground. And there have been several others that have done very well, out of cow bred mares. A Smooth Guy had a full sister that was a futurity standout, if I remember right. Check out Sabra O'Quinns FB page for the mare Bring It On Guys. She's an example, much like rockinas stallion, of FG crossed on "Peppy" lines. That mare was 3rd in the 2013 Old Fort Days Futurity, earning $16,870. She also won all three go's of the 5-States Futurity. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bring+it+on+guys An example of it working with a daughter of FG would be Vanilas Whiskey Girl, out of SX Frenchmans Vanila and she has cowy, "Peppy" lines on top. She won the 2010 Hawki Futurity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7Bm2eJ85g&sns=em http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vanilas+whiskey+girl... With that being said, I'm excited to see what my FG/cow bred cross is gonna do! : ) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pardonmyfrenchmiss
Awesome! Thanks for the information and resources. I didn't know if cow x FG was a popular thing to do. I love your FG baby! She's beautiful! I hope she makes an awesome barrel horse for you. |
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Location: TN | rockinas - 2014-02-13 9:53 PM KatieMac88 - 2014-02-13 9:04 PM I really want a FG baby. I'm considering a FG grandbaby out of either a cowbred (Genuine Doc) mare or a running bred (Dash for Cash) mare. I've been leaning towards the cowbred mare because of looks and size mostly. Their personalities are similar. Since some of you have said FG doesn't always have the speed, would I be better off going with a baby out of the running bred mare?
The goal for the baby would be to be a barrel horse.
Sorry OP I'm not trying to steal the thread, I'm just like you and want to know more about FG babies from those who have been around them. Not necessarily. My FG son has won a lot and he is out of a foundation/working bred mare. He had plenty of speed and his best attribute as a rodeo horse was the athleticism and ability to run stand up on ANY kind of ground. And there have been several others that have done very well, out of cow bred mares. A Smooth Guy had a full sister that was a futurity standout, if I remember right.
That's a good point. Run/speed is very important but soundness and the ability to run on most types of ground is also important. I didn't realize A Smooth Guy was out of a more foundation type mare. This is off topic but I checked out your website and both of your stallions are very nice!! |
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Location: GA | KatieMac88 - 2014-02-15 11:02 AM
koi322 - 2014-02-14 8:05 AM rockinas - 2014-02-13 10:53 PM KatieMac88 - 2014-02-13 9:04 PM I really want a FG baby. I'm considering a FG grandbaby out of either a cowbred (Genuine Doc) mare or a running bred (Dash for Cash) mare. I've been leaning towards the cowbred mare because of looks and size mostly. Their personalities are similar. Since some of you have said FG doesn't always have the speed, would I be better off going with a baby out of the running bred mare?
The goal for the baby would be to be a barrel horse.
Sorry OP I'm not trying to steal the thread, I'm just like you and want to know more about FG babies from those who have been around them. Not necessarily. My FG son has won a lot and he is out of a foundation/working bred mare. He had plenty of speed and his best attribute as a rodeo horse was the athleticism and ability to run stand up on ANY kind of ground. And there have been several others that have done very well, out of cow bred mares. A Smooth Guy had a full sister that was a futurity standout, if I remember right. Check out Sabra O'Quinns FB page for the mare Bring It On Guys. She's an example, much like rockinas stallion, of FG crossed on "Peppy" lines. That mare was 3rd in the 2013 Old Fort Days Futurity, earning $16,870. She also won all three go's of the 5-States Futurity. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bring+it+on+guys An example of it working with a daughter of FG would be Vanilas Whiskey Girl, out of SX Frenchmans Vanila and she has cowy, "Peppy" lines on top. She won the 2010 Hawki Futurity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym7Bm2eJ85g&sns=em http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/vanilas+whiskey+girl... With that being said, I'm excited to see what my FG/cow bred cross is gonna do! : ) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pardonmyfrenchmiss
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| I love mine besides her being accident prone, I don't love the vet bills lol I have a 4yo daughter, 2yo gdaughter, sold a Frenchmans fabulous daughter, and I have a FG baby and ASNY baby due this year. So yes I sorta like them lol All mine are out of running bred mares. All in your pocket, laid back, do anything you ask them to, crazy athletic, and gorgeous to boot. Not broncy AT ALL and not really what I would call sensitive, late maturing, retain everything you teach them. They make my life easy halter breaking, trimming, loading etc as babies. |
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| CheckItOut - 2014-02-14 8:35 AM
Because people are ignorant and like to pretend they know what they are talking about by bashing big names in the business.
Every horse is an individual. I have been around plenty FG's and none of them were exactly alike, but all had the ability to be stellar barrel horses, or just performance horse in general. They are amazing because they are versatile. The Meyers know what they are doing. FG's are only getting better. They have figured out what works and they are building on it, every year.
I have a grandson of frenchmans guy, he is beautiful, but has broken splint bones multiple times, up until this year, he is 7 has been very immature. I have rode the dams side and they are solid, so I do attribute some of this to frenchmans guy breeding.
Will I buy another frenchmans guy, maybe if they were cheap. I will keep buying firewater flits as IMO they are more trainable, mature, and versatile. |
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| I would love to try an own daughter or son....but, can't afford one!
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Location: torrington, wy | cheryl makofka - 2014-02-15 1:52 PM CheckItOut - 2014-02-14 8:35 AM Because people are ignorant and like to pretend they know what they are talking about by bashing big names in the business. Every horse is an individual. I have been around plenty FG's and none of them were exactly alike, but all had the ability to be stellar barrel horses, or just performance horse in general. They are amazing because they are versatile. The Meyers know what they are doing. FG's are only getting better. They have figured out what works and they are building on it, every year. I have a grandson of frenchmans guy, he is beautiful, but has broken splint bones multiple times, up until this year, he is 7 has been very immature. I have rode the dams side and they are solid, so I do attribute some of this to frenchmans guy breeding. Will I buy another frenchmans guy, maybe if they were cheap. I will keep buying firewater flits as IMO they are more trainable, mature, and versatile.
I am not bashing anyone, I think I know what I'm talking about, ours bucks. He is by FG and out of Slim's full sister who has other foals by different stallions and none of them buck. I don't care who they are by or out of if they buck they will not be at my house long. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a FG crossed with a Mathas Six Moon gelding. I can't say enough good about him. He is sweet and the quickest learner. We sent him off to be broke and the guy called us after 20 rides trying to buy him. Mind you he is a reining horse trainer and my colt is not reining bred. He said 3 different clients tried to buy him. He told me to come get him as he did everything he asked of him in 20 rides. He never bucked. I was so excited!! If I could find more like him, I'd but in a heartbeat. |
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| SaraJean - 2014-02-13 2:08 PM
I own two FG grandget. They're definately not the type of horse that will fit anybody. They're very sensitive & responsive. But they're also super gritty, work all day & give you everything they have type of horses. I love both of mine & would definately be willing to own more of them. Only mistake I made as far as FG bred horses are concerned is waiting so long to give one a try!!!
Agreed. We have a 9 year old FG grandson right now, he's quirky, has the mentality of a yearling stud colt but works his tail off for us, is double tough and has no quit in him, ready to go every day. He was too immature to make a barrel horse when he was younger and honestly he really wasn't worth the powder to blow him to hell until just a couple years ago. I'm glad he never made it to the futurity pen because we would have an idiot on our hands now probably. |
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| If you don't like that they cloned... don't breed to a clone.. simple as that.
He has some very nice and very FAST offspring and I have nothing bad to say about him. I see so many people that blame a bad attitude, conformation, lack of speed etc on the stallion... but if you have a baby with a guy with blue eyes does that mean that your baby will get that from it's daddy? It takes two to tango. |
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| cowgirl156 - 2014-02-16 3:45 PM
I WILL NOT breed to anything with FG in the bloodlines anymore. I do not support cloning one bit! Shame on Meyers for RUINING his legacy!
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Location: wolverton,mn | HotbearLVR - 2014-02-13 1:52 PM I owned a FG daughter and she just wasn't a very athletic horse....very stiff, hard to shape, etc... She was a pretty mare, but just didn't feel very athletic, etc... I sold her to someone who sold her to someone who uses her as a play day horse.
That being said, I wouldn't hesitate to own another, but my hands are already too full! If I had to choose one sire of a dream colt, it would be FG. In my book, he's the "Gold Standard". Besides, I love the fact that he's South Dakota boy. I love seeing people in the Midwest excell.
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| cowgirl156 - 2014-02-16 3:45 PM
I WILL NOT breed to anything with FG in the bloodlines anymore. I do not support cloning one bit! Shame on Meyers for RUINING his legacy!
Why would you write off everyone with FG bred horses on a choice that the Meyers made? I'm sure alot of people that stand sons of FG were disappointed about his cloning. I just don't see punishing everyone for one family's personal decision  |
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Location: sunny california | Tn_Barrelracer - 2014-02-16 3:49 PM cowgirl156 - 2014-02-16 3:45 PM I WILL NOT breed to anything with FG in the bloodlines anymore. I do not support cloning one bit! Shame on Meyers for RUINING his legacy! Why would you write off everyone with FG bred horses on a choice that the Meyers made? I'm sure alot of people that stand sons of FG were disappointed about his cloning. I just don't see punishing everyone for one family's personal decision
actually I am no longer interested in breeding to FG either but rather would only breed to sons now
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| I know I would never breed to a clone, I just don't think it's a good idea to mess with mother nature. Several years ago I bought a granddaughter of Frenchmans Guy. She was just a weanling when I got her, but she turned out to be the best horse I've ever owned. Very smart, easy to train, fun to ride, and never even thought about bucking (I guess I got lucky and got a good one). I was so impressed that I bred her to a son of Frenchmans Guy. I ended up with a cremello colt, he will be 2 this spring. I'm leaving him a stud, he's super good minded and takes after his mother. I can't wait until he's old enough to start on barrels! |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | teehaha - 2014-02-16 9:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
What do you suppose are the chances they have some frozen popsicles stashed away? I was always going to ask Tigh and never got up the nerve for fear he would and then I wouldn't be able to have one of those little morsals. LOL |
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Location: Carpenter, WY | CYA Ranch - 2014-02-16 8:52 PM teehaha - 2014-02-16 9:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
Now wouldn't that be something. I don't think I would want to know too
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | teehaha - 2014-02-16 10:23 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-02-16 8:52 PM teehaha - 2014-02-16 9:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
Me either, that's why I was afraid to ask him. I'd have my hands over my ears singing.....la lalalalalalala la! |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | teehaha - 2014-02-16 10:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
Me too. He was nice, nice.
Here's a kicker, in the back of the Cutting Horse Chatter Magazine this month, someone has frozen semen on Freckles Playboy. Plain black and white ad. I wonder how much that would be? But, my question was - how do or would we know it was his? Did they have DNA back then if you did have the money to breed, how could you be sure it was his get? |
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Location: Texas! | teehaha - 2014-02-16 8:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
100% agree, we have two grandget from different sons of Sun Frost (a Sun Frost Wonder daughter and a PC Cashing In Frost) both are nice looking horses, SFW is a little quirky and flightly but I blame the Streakin Six on the dam side lol she's going to be a momma June then I'm getting her back into training and will season her next year, she is an absolute lover and will rest her head on you for hugs all day. The other my SO stole from me the minute he came off the trailer and has been the envy of the roping pen for a couple years now. He is also a lover but with walk his butt up to you and lean it into you until you start scratching, if you move, the buttocks follows lol.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | 3canstorun - 2014-02-17 6:44 AM teehaha - 2014-02-16 10:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
Here's a kicker, in the back of the Cutting Horse Chatter Magazine this month, someone has frozen semen on Freckles Playboy. Plain black and white ad. I wonder how much that would be? But, my question was - how do or would we know it was his? Did they have DNA back then if you did have the money to breed, how could you be sure it was his get?
Boy, that's a good question . You could probably call AQHA and they would know if he was DNA typed. Last year when we had Slim down at CSU I was talking with some lady who had bought 1 straw of frozen Chicks Beduino for 10k and was estatic her mare had just been pronouced in foal. I bet that if it is Freckles Playboy stuff is isn't cheap :) How long ago did he pass??
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | teehaha - 2014-02-17 2:39 PM 3canstorun - 2014-02-17 6:44 AM teehaha - 2014-02-16 10:31 PM Actually, I'm more interested in FG's sire Sunfrost than FG himself. That doesn't mean that if one were dropped in my lap I wouldn't take him though.
Here's a kicker, in the back of the Cutting Horse Chatter Magazine this month, someone has frozen semen on Freckles Playboy. Plain black and white ad. I wonder how much that would be? But, my question was - how do or would we know it was his? Did they have DNA back then if you did have the money to breed, how could you be sure it was his get?
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