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Location: Dearing, GA | I need to add that edge to my 6 y/o gelding. He's missing that shine and an overall look of wellness. Several people have recommended Forco for him but THE Muscle Mass seems more all-inclusive to me. Which would you feed, and why? His main feed is T.C. Senior which has done wonders for his weight gain, but he's still missing something. |
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 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I rotate THE Equine Edge products but always feed FORCO with them. They are 2 different products. Work awesome together. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Love MM!!! You should see a difference in 3 weeks. I add ulcer prevention and joint supplement to mine. |
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Location: Here | Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 2:12 PM I rotate THE Equine Edge products but always feed FORCO with them. They are 2 different products. Work awesome together.
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Location: Dearing, GA | SG. - 2014-02-17 2:46 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 2:12 PM I rotate THE Equine Edge products but always feed FORCO with them. They are 2 different products. Work awesome together.
ditto
Right now I'm not sure I could afford to feed both, though that would be ideal. I cannot tell which I need to give this horse though Forco has been more frequently recommended. |
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 Works Hard For The Money
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Location: Memphis, TN | Have you considered trying OxyMax from Oxygen? It's everything rolled into one. I've used both THE MM and Forco. If I was going to do one I'd do THE MM and have them add their ulcer maintenance which I think is an extra $5. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I will be honest and have never fed Forco, I have used Muscle Mass for nearly 5yrs and will stick with it. They look great and are only on pasture or grass hay otherwise. |
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Location: Here | Just Let Me Run - 2014-02-17 3:03 PM SG. - 2014-02-17 2:46 PM Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 2:12 PM I rotate THE Equine Edge products but always feed FORCO with them. They are 2 different products. Work awesome together. ditto
forco feeds the healthy good bacteria in the gut. Muscle mass is amnio acids vit min. 2 different deals |
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Location: NC | It all depends on what you're trying to "treat" or prevent or whatever you want to do.
Forco is for the gut. It is a pro/prebiotic to support the entire digestive system of the horse.
THE Muscle Mass is a muscle builder of sorts and you can add different add ons to it, like joint support, bleeder/breather/cough, ulcer prevent, hoof, focus, calming, etc. You can add a version of their other products as an add on to both the Muscle Mass and the Performance formulas.
The performance formula is the muscle mass without the high amount of aminos. It's more for one that doesn't need the extra bulk but could still benefit from the goodies it has to offer.
I just ordered my first round of Forco for my gelding. I had noticed he had some remnants from runny poops, so I thought it couldn't hurt to try. It's pretty cheap to try, so I', not out by much. And THE is guaranteed. Great customer support too. Love that company. |
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| I have tried both products. I had no results from forco. I have seen results with THE muscle mass. THE products are great and you can add to fit each horses needs! |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bucky - 2014-02-17 5:36 PM I have tried both products. I had no results from forco. I have seen results with THE muscle mass. THE products are great and you can add to fit each horses needs!
If you didn't see any results from FORCO, I would say your horse didn't have any gut problems. |
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| Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 6:07 PM
Bucky - 2014-02-17 5:36 PM I have tried both products. I had no results from forco. I have seen results with THE muscle mass. THE products are great and you can add to fit each horses needs!
If you didn't see any results from FORCO, I would say your horse didn't have any gut problems.
I had a mare that didn't have diarrhea but her stools we looser then normal so I want to try it on her and I used it on my other 5 horses and saw no difference. I fed the reccommend dose and everything. |
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Location: Here | I have always seen results with forco. From everything to reduce gas colic, better hair coat, to better feed conversion |
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Location: Nebraska | Bucky - 2014-02-17 6:59 PM Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 6:07 PM Bucky - 2014-02-17 5:36 PM I have tried both products. I had no results from forco. I have seen results with THE muscle mass. THE products are great and you can add to fit each horses needs! If you didn't see any results from FORCO, I would say your horse didn't have any gut problems. I had a mare that didn't have diarrhea but her stools we looser then normal so I want to try it on her and I used it on my other 5 horses and saw no difference. I fed the reccommend dose and everything.
How long did you feed it? It took a few months for me to see any benefit on my horses. They don't look night and day different, either. |
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| brlracerchick - 2014-02-17 7:02 PM
Bucky - 2014-02-17 6:59 PM Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 6:07 PM Bucky - 2014-02-17 5:36 PM I have tried both products. I had no results from forco. I have seen results with THE muscle mass. THE products are great and you can add to fit each horses needs! If you didn't see any results from FORCO, I would say your horse didn't have any gut problems. I had a mare that didn't have diarrhea but her stools we looser then normal so I want to try it on her and I used it on my other 5 horses and saw no difference. I fed the reccommend dose and everything.
I fed it for about 3 1/2 months. I wanted to give it time so it could get in there system. I know it's a great product and the before and after pictures that some people have posted are great. But didn't see a difference in none of my horses. I feed ADM powerglo grain and equishure for my ulcer prone horses. |
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Location: West Tennessee | Just Let Me Run - 2014-02-17 3:03 PM
SG. - 2014-02-17 2:46 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-02-17 2:12 PM I rotate THE Equine Edge products but always feed FORCO with them. They are 2 different products. Work awesome together.
ditto
I've got to order some more Forco soon -- let me get pricing & we might can split it? I'm in a tough spot myself right now and I realize we'd have to reorder faster but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do...
If I were you, I'd put him on both MM and Forco and I might add ulcer prevent to the MM &/or ask Bob about a little vitamin E increase? Of course, I'm one to talk since ours is thinner than she's ever been right now, however, with her that might be a good thing?
CA, you also might want to try just the daily edge to begin with. If I remember correctly the MM works better if the horse is getting consistently worked. With our weather right now and the lack of daylight hours it makes working them consistently difficult for all of us. Lass is on her a special blend but I believe it's based on the performance which is daily edge (NTO, can correct me if I've got that wrong)
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| I put some pictures in a post Sharing Pictures. The sorrel gelding just standing was on The Muscle Mass and also a pro/prebiotic. He had only been on for about a month in the picture, he really looked good on it. I feed The MM to everyone who is running and have been very impressed with the way they look. |
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Location: Dearing, GA | I think at this point I'm leaning towards Muscle Mass with the Hair & Coat & Focus blends. Hearing that Forco was aimed at gut issues, I think I need Muscle Mass more. |
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Location: Dearing, GA | barrelracin85 - 2014-02-17 3:07 PM Have you considered trying OxyMax from Oxygen? It's everything rolled into one. I've used both THE MM and Forco. If I was going to do one I'd do THE MM and have them add their ulcer maintenance which I think is an extra $5.
Tell me more about OxyMax. What does it offer in relation to the other two? |
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Works Hard For The Money
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Location: Memphis, TN | Here is their flyer
http://oxyinfo.com/zen/download/Oxy-Max_flyer_2013.pdf
I can give you Nisha's contact info if you want to call and talk to her in more depth about it.
Oxy-max is their complete health supplement. You can get more specific supplements but for Cactus I think the complete would be good. Something you may want to do is talk to Bob if you do go with THE and make sure the muscle mass isn't going to cause issues if you are dealing with PSSM. You can get the same benefits out of THE if you do a special blend. I love THE but I've seen so much positive feed back through oxygen that I'm giving it a whirl. I like what Fluidity has done for Gator already. I just started their 2X Friday so I'll have to get back to you on how that goes.
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Over Informed
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Location: West Tennessee | Just Let Me Run - 2014-02-17 8:11 PM I think at this point I'm leaning towards Muscle Mass with the Hair & Coat & Focus blends. Hearing that Forco was aimed at gut issues, I think I need Muscle Mass more.
Yes, Forco is aimed at the gut but it's to enable the gut to function properly & absorb the nutrients you're feeding. I'm definitely not telling you to not go with MM, because I'm a true believer in the THE products, just that they work well together. I'll shoot you a text when I get pricing and we can talk about sharing a round of Forco?
It all gets so confusing.....
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Location: Dearing, GA | barrelracin85 - 2014-02-17 8:46 PM Here is their flyer http://oxyinfo.com/zen/download/Oxy-Max_flyer_2013.pdf I can give you Nisha's contact info if you want to call and talk to her in more depth about it. Oxy-max is their complete health supplement. You can get more specific supplements but for Cactus I think the complete would be good. Something you may want to do is talk to Bob if you do go with THE and make sure the muscle mass isn't going to cause issues if you are dealing with PSSM. You can get the same benefits out of THE if you do a special blend. I love THE but I've seen so much positive feed back through oxygen that I'm giving it a whirl. I like what Fluidity has done for Gator already. I just started their 2X Friday so I'll have to get back to you on how that goes.
Thanks girl. I ended up ordering THE Muscle Mass with Hair & Coat and Focus blends. I'm going to experiment and see what happens.
I found out I'm not dealing with PSSM, btw. Just a naughty horse that needs to be worked daily :-P |
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Location: Dearing, GA | dme0324 - 2014-02-17 8:52 PM Just Let Me Run - 2014-02-17 8:11 PM I think at this point I'm leaning towards Muscle Mass with the Hair & Coat & Focus blends. Hearing that Forco was aimed at gut issues, I think I need Muscle Mass more. Yes, Forco is aimed at the gut but it's to enable the gut to function properly & absorb the nutrients you're feeding. I'm definitely not telling you to not go with MM, because I'm a true believer in the THE products, just that they work well together. I'll shoot you a text when I get pricing and we can talk about sharing a round of Forco?
It all gets so confusing.....
Yeah let me know and I'll see what we can do about splitting the cost. I ordered the MM and we will see what happens (: |
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Location: West Tennessee | Just Let Me Run - 2014-02-17 8:52 PM barrelracin85 - 2014-02-17 8:46 PM Here is their flyer http://oxyinfo.com/zen/download/Oxy-Max_flyer_2013.pdf I can give you Nisha's contact info if you want to call and talk to her in more depth about it. Oxy-max is their complete health supplement. You can get more specific supplements but for Cactus I think the complete would be good. Something you may want to do is talk to Bob if you do go with THE and make sure the muscle mass isn't going to cause issues if you are dealing with PSSM. You can get the same benefits out of THE if you do a special blend. I love THE but I've seen so much positive feed back through oxygen that I'm giving it a whirl. I like what Fluidity has done for Gator already. I just started their 2X Friday so I'll have to get back to you on how that goes.
I found out I'm not dealing with PSSM, btw. Just a naughty horse that needs to be worked daily :-P
Don't shoot the messenger -- but you ruled out PSSM1 / if his naughty gets worse with green grass than you might still be dealing with PSSM2?
HUGS! and I'll shoot you a message tomorrow.
BTW: we are gonna head to showplace tomorrow afternoon, open arena 'till 4 / then barrels after that -- but they're only open to 7:30. I can't believe I'm about to do this - but if you want us to try to load him & then, you meet us there, text me tomorrow....... LOL, I'll need Zanax, a drink, or something between loading the 2 of them, but I WILL TRY. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I have a tub of the Forco that I hadn't even opened until I started reading about it here. I was at an equine event where there was a pretty bold sales man. He kept talking to us as we went by...so I asked him what exactly was in the stuff. He handed me the container and told me "If you can pronounce all of that...I'll give you a tub for free."
He didn't know who he was dealing with. I'm a biologist. Reading the names of the different bacterial species was not a problem. 
You should have seen his face. My friends know what I do and they were dying! So...he was good to his word and gave it to me free. I'm thinking I will try it on my older guy. He has gotten to be more of a hard keeper lately and I have him now on TC Senior with canola oil for added calories. I will give the Forco a try.
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Location: Midwest | TrailGirl - 2014-02-18 8:14 AM I have a tub of the Forco that I hadn't even opened until I started reading about it here. I was at an equine event where there was a pretty bold sales man. He kept talking to us as we went by...so I asked him what exactly was in the stuff. He handed me the container and told me "If you can pronounce all of that...I'll give you a tub for free."
He didn't know who he was dealing with. I'm a biologist. Reading the names of the different bacterial species was not a problem.
You should have seen his face. My friends know what I do and they were dying! So...he was good to his word and gave it to me free. I'm thinking I will try it on my older guy. He has gotten to be more of a hard keeper lately and I have him now on TC Senior with canola oil for added calories. I will give the Forco a try.
That's hilarious
I'm a cytogenetic technologist... but I've previously worked at a food micro research lab.... nerds unite!
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | That's awesome...I consider being called a Nerd a compliment! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I ordered THE MM last night to give a try. I was impressed with the add on's and will definitely report back after trying in out. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | TrailGirl - 2014-02-18 8:32 AM
That's awesome...I consider being called a Nerd a compliment!
As do I, lol  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | LRQHS - 2014-02-18 8:40 AM I ordered THE MM last night to give a try. I was impressed with the add on's and will definitely report back after trying in out.
I've been a customer since 2005 and have never been disappointed. Great products. |
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