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Location: GODS country | I was told to always give in the jugular, however, I hate doing that!! Does anyone give in the neck muscle like a normal shot?? My friend said her mare swelled up in the injection area a day later after giving it to her in the neck..... |
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Location: WI | I always did IV. |
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Location: NE Texas | IV |
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Location: Great NW | I give mine orally a little bit earlier than I would give IV. I do not give IV shots unless I absolutely have to. If it is really hot out then I give IV so they do not have to be off their water as long. |
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| My vet told me you can give it either way, with IM give it further out. I would just make sure you are using a clean needle every time. |
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| speedjunkie - 2014-02-17 3:36 PM
I give mine orally a little bit earlier than I would give IV. I do not give IV shots unless I absolutely have to. If it is really hot out then I give IV so they do not have to be off their water as long.
I also give mine orally. My vet suggested I give it 2 hours prior to running, but I've found that she runs better 2.5-3 hours out. |
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Location: The edge of no where | It's most effective IV. |
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Location: MN | IV ....ive seen a bad abcess from lasix IM
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Location: Where ever | Iv or muscle if you have a clean long needle you will be fine!
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | You would probably be fine IM...BUT...I'm a worst case scenario girl. Any time you inject any significant volume of a non antibiotic into the muscle you run the risk of inflammation and a slight chance of dragging in bacterial ( possibly Clostridial spp.) spores along on the needle. ANY injection should be done with a new sterile needle. But that does not remove all chances of this happening. The spores are in the environment and can be on the skin/fur of the animal. If that happens and the spores germinate and grow in the muscle it's not pretty. I'm sure all have seen the horror stories from folks injecting banamine IM and having this occur.
BUT...it's a rare thing. I prefer IV or oral route just to be safe. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I have done both....and both work fine and like the bbs have stated..clean the injection site and clean needleM |
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Location: GODS country | How effective is it to give it orally? |
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| I've done IV, IM and in the mouth. It works the same you just have to give it about 1.5-2hours earlier with IM or orally!!! |
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Location: Florida | I ran a horse on lasix for 8 years and gave it IM before every run I made on him except for 2 occasions because I didn't have enough time to wait on it. I gave it 4 hours before my run when doing an IM injection. I never had a problem. I did not like giving IV shots every time I ran and would rather save my horse's veins.
There is a chance with ANY injection to get an infection no matter if it is IM, IV, intra-articular, etc. As long as you use a new sterile needle, the skin is clean, and you use a sterile technique, you should be fine.
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | If you give lasix orally do you give them a higher dosage then if you were giving them in the vein or muscle? |
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Location: GODS country | Where in the muscle did you inject? Neck? I might try orally. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My vet had me give Lasix in the lower pectoral muscle. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | IV |
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Location: Mississippi | Orally. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think most of the time horses get abscesses after IM injections is because some people are incredibly sloppy with their technique. The horse is literally encased in dirt, dust, and fecal material, so when someone gives an IM injection without making any effort to prep the site, you are going to see a certain number develop abscesses in the deep muscle. I'm actually surprised that there aren't more infections. Yes some drugs cause local reactions or even sterile abscesses, but most of the time it's probably just sloppiness and poor technique. Then there are people who re-use needles and syringes.......bad idea. They are cheap.....throw them away after a single use. Invest in a bottle of hibiclens, betadine, or even alcohol. Paint the injection site and the rubber top of the bottle of medicine, and let it sit for a few seconds before injecting. |
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Location: Red Raiderland | Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-04 3:48 PM My vet had me give Lasix in the lower pectoral muscle.
Ditto. I switch sides for each run if it's a long weekend. I give it two hours out or at least try to shoot for two hours. And I would NEVER reuse a needle! |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | IM always for me, I clean the injection area well and always use a brand new needle & syribge. 2.5 hours out works for my bleeder perfect. |
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Location: Iowa | My mare got needle sour when I did IV and IM so I started doing it orally...I used a little bit more and did it about 3-4 hours before and it worked great. |
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| Rausch_Jessica - 2015-04-09 8:45 AM
My mare got needle sour when I did IV and IM so I started doing it orally...I used a little bit more and did it about 3-4 hours before and it worked great.
Not anything about Lasix, but I have a horse that is extremely needle sour (he will paw at you when you try to IV him) and I used the "duct tape twitch" method on him that has been going around last night and he was a completely different horse. I was REALLY surprised that it actually worked! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kboltwkreations - 2015-04-09 8:53 AM Rausch_Jessica - 2015-04-09 8:45 AM My mare got needle sour when I did IV and IM so I started doing it orally...I used a little bit more and did it about 3-4 hours before and it worked great. Not anything about Lasix, but I have a horse that is extremely needle sour (he will paw at you when you try to IV him ) and I used the "duct tape twitch" method on him that has been going around last night and he was a completely different horse. I was REALLY surprised that it actually worked!
I saw one of those videos yesterday. I know it looks stupid, but I am going to try it out and see for myself. Haha |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-09 10:04 AM
kboltwkreations - 2015-04-09 8:53 AM Rausch_Jessica - 2015-04-09 8:45 AM My mare got needle sour when I did IV and IM so I started doing it orally...I used a little bit more and did it about 3-4 hours before and it worked great. Not anything about Lasix, but I have a horse that is extremely needle sour (he will paw at you when you try to IV him ) and I used the "duct tape twitch" method on him that has been going around last night and he was a completely different horse. I was REALLY surprised that it actually worked!
Dude it works....
I dunno if it works bc its stimulating those nerves that a twitch would target or if they are just too scared to move. |
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Location: GODS country | Kaycee - 2015-04-05 10:46 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-04 3:48 PM My vet had me give Lasix in the lower pectoral muscle.
Ditto. I switch sides for each run if it's a long weekend. I give it two hours out or at least try to shoot for two hours. And I would NEVER reuse a needle!
This is a good idea. I like that better than the neck.
I was told, by a vet, that Lasix ONLY works IV?? Seems like IM is working? |
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Location: Central Texas | If you are sterilizing the injection site with a liquid, make sure it is dry before injecting. Vet advised me to do this. If the area is still wet you pose a greater threat of dragging something in the muscle with the needle. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ecranch - 2015-04-09 9:55 AM Kaycee - 2015-04-05 10:46 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-04 3:48 PM My vet had me give Lasix in the lower pectoral muscle. Ditto. I switch sides for each run if it's a long weekend. I give it two hours out or at least try to shoot for two hours. And I would NEVER reuse a needle! This is a good idea. I like that better than the neck. I was told, by a vet, that Lasix ONLY works IV?? Seems like IM is working?
IV hits them harder and faster. |
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Location: Iowa | astreakinchic - 2015-04-09 9:12 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-09 10:04 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-04-09 8:53 AM Rausch_Jessica - 2015-04-09 8:45 AM My mare got needle sour when I did IV and IM so I started doing it orally...I used a little bit more and did it about 3-4 hours before and it worked great. Not anything about Lasix, but I have a horse that is extremely needle sour (he will paw at you when you try to IV him ) and I used the "duct tape twitch" method on him that has been going around last night and he was a completely different horse. I was REALLY surprised that it actually worked! Dude it works.... I dunno if it works bc its stimulating those nerves that a twitch would target or if they are just too scared to move.
I think I need to a video of this Duct Tape Twitch!! My mare wouldnt paw...just raised her head and get super super tense so it became so hard to find he vien or nicely get a needle in the muscle so I switched to orally and never looked back! |
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Location: GODS country | What gauge needle does everyone use? 18 or 20? 1.5" long? |
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| Rausch_Jessica - 2015-04-09 12:59 PM
astreakinchic - 2015-04-09 9:12 AM Three 4 Luck - 2015-04-09 10:04 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-04-09 8:53 AM Rausch_Jessica - 2015-04-09 8:45 AM My mare got needle sour when I did IV and IM so I started doing it orally...I used a little bit more and did it about 3-4 hours before and it worked great. Not anything about Lasix, but I have a horse that is extremely needle sour (he will paw at you when you try to IV him ) and I used the "duct tape twitch" method on him that has been going around last night and he was a completely different horse. I was REALLY surprised that it actually worked! Dude it works.... I dunno if it works bc its stimulating those nerves that a twitch would target or if they are just too scared to move.
Search it on fb posts. You just put a long strip of duck tape length wise on the nose....not a clue why it works. |
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Location: Louisiana | Bear - 2015-04-05 10:07 AM I think most of the time horses get abscesses after IM injections is because some people are incredibly sloppy with their technique. The horse is literally encased in dirt, dust, and fecal material, so when someone gives an IM injection without making any effort to prep the site, you are going to see a certain number develop abscesses in the deep muscle. I'm actually surprised that there aren't more infections. Yes some drugs cause local reactions or even sterile abscesses, but most of the time it's probably just sloppiness and poor technique. Then there are people who re-use needles and syringes.......bad idea. They are cheap.....throw them away after a single use. Invest in a bottle of hibiclens, betadine, or even alcohol. Paint the injection site and the rubber top of the bottle of medicine, and let it sit for a few seconds before injecting.
Oh that makes me cringe. I have to break a seal every time I give T-Bo his lasix, and I always find a trash can afterwards. I hate seeing syringes laying around after a barrel race. I have had to reuse a syringe one time bc I didn't realize I was out. I cleaned and dried it really good, and thankfully found a new needle. After that I ordered a massive box of needles and syringes that I've been using for like 3 years and it's still half full.
To answer the op, I give mine IM. My vet says it's fine and I just have to give it further out. Knock on wood he's been fine for years.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | dashnlotti - 2015-04-09 11:25 PM
Bear - 2015-04-05 10:07 AM I think most of the time horses get abscesses after IM injections is because some people are incredibly sloppy with their technique. The horse is literally encased in dirt, dust, and fecal material, so when someone gives an IM injection without making any effort to prep the site, you are going to see a certain number develop abscesses in the deep muscle. I'm actually surprised that there aren't more infections. Yes some drugs cause local reactions or even sterile abscesses, but most of the time it's probably just sloppiness and poor technique. Then there are people who re-use needles and syringes.......bad idea. They are cheap.....throw them away after a single use. Invest in a bottle of hibiclens, betadine, or even alcohol. Paint the injection site and the rubber top of the bottle of medicine, and let it sit for a few seconds before injecting.
Oh that makes me cringe. I have to break a seal every time I give T-Bo his lasix, and I always find a trash can afterwards. I hate seeing syringes laying around after a barrel race. I have had to reuse a syringe one time bc I didn't realize I was out. I cleaned and dried it really good, and thankfully found a new needle. After that I ordered a massive box of needles and syringes that I've been using for like 3 years and it's still half full.
To answer the op, I give mine IM. My vet says it's fine and I just have to give it further out. Knock on wood he's been fine for years.
There's nothing wrong with giving lasix IM. It's ok to give IM lasix to humans as well, but it's rarely done because the onset of action is more delayed and gradual, versus IV. People who give it IM, get an abscess, and blame it on the drug are only fooling themselves. In reality, they are sloppy and don't even try to use any aseptic technique. You may as well rub a needle in manure and dirt before giving the injection if you are too lazy or sloppy to do it right, because it's the same thing.
I've even seen vets do the same thing, and there's just no excuse for it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ecranch - 2015-04-09 12:54 PM What gauge needle does everyone use? 18 or 20? 1.5" long?
I use a 22 gauge for thin stuff in the muscle. It pushes just fine. I want to poke as small a hole as possible. |
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Lasix - vein or muscle?