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I'm considering taking a coming 2yo filly on partial trade for a gelding of mine is why I'm asking.
ETA she is supposed to be cutting on top and hancock on bottom. Bay roan. Supposedly small. Waiting on reg name and pictures. looking at her thurs.
HER PEDIGREE: PLEASE TELL WHAT YOU THINK
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Location: Oklahoma | I have a 16 year old gelding and I love him to pieces. He likes to keep to himself, but with a few treats he won't leave you alone.
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Location: South Dakota | THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
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| this mare is young, not 2 yet so I think I have a better chance of her having a good attitude later but the stubborn and "naturally cold backed" bothers me. |
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| Love them! Good bone, tuff, not fragile minded but some what like a mule in that they hold on to everything that you teach them. When training one they can try to take over, but if you can direct them right they train fast and easy. Show them once and they got, so.... show them wrong and it will take you awhile to fix. Gentle giants on the ground. If they are having a bad day you might as well go unsaddle and try again the next day. Joe Hancock himself was not known to be rank. The mares that they bred to him are what are known to pass on that perception. Now days it's hard to blame bad behavior on Hancock because it's such an old line. Go back 3 generations and see what is crossed with Hancock and it'll tell you more on what type of temperament you're gonna get.
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Location: Oklahoma | keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! |
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Location: NC | I just got one. HAvn't been able to do much with her since I am 38wks pregnant. but from what I can tell she seems VERY VERY friendly, and willing to please. I got her and was told they has only been on her back a couple times and my husband decides he should get on her the first day she is at our house, with new horses running around, dogs barking and tractors driving by. She did great! you could tell she didn't know much but he just walked her around the round pen and she seemed very willing just not sure what he wanted. The people I got her from had never done any work to her feet and she let us pick them out pretty easily the first day and the farrier was able to trim her front no problem but said she got a little tougher with the back.
So far I am impressed with her and CAN'T wait to start riding her!
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Location: South Dakota | Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much!
I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol) I CANNOT get it worked out of her! |
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Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her!
You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in. |
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keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM
Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her!
You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in.
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| HorsesNHarleys - 2014-02-19 10:00 AM I just got one. HAvn't been able to do much with her since I am 38wks pregnant. but from what I can tell she seems VERY VERY friendly, and willing to please. I got her and was told they has only been on her back a couple times and my husband decides he should get on her the first day she is at our house, with new horses running around, dogs barking and tractors driving by. She did great! you could tell she didn't know much but he just walked her around the round pen and she seemed very willing just not sure what he wanted. The people I got her from had never done any work to her feet and she let us pick them out pretty easily the first day and the farrier was able to trim her front no problem but said she got a little tougher with the back.
So far I am impressed with her and CAN'T wait to start riding her!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bvh+bad+fast
I'm jealous! love Blue Valentine horses and Heck No Hancock was a very nice stud. I have a grandson of his. Blue Valentine was a very gentle and his offspring are known to be too. Very impressive in the box, quick out. Good bones and feet! Pic? |
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Location: Oklahoma | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way. Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her! You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in. tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it?
Yes, I'm interested!! I tried Googling, but didn't find anything specific to those terms.
I did see an infographic on Pinterest a few days ago about body language and how it can look sometimes like a predator coming for your horse if you hide the lead rope in one hand behind your back and have the other hand out showing that it's free. It looks just as if you're a predator coming in for his prey. I thought it was very interesting... might be common knowledge, but it was new to me! |
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Location: NC | FlyingJT - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM HorsesNHarleys - 2014-02-19 10:00 AM I just got one. HAvn't been able to do much with her since I am 38wks pregnant. but from what I can tell she seems VERY VERY friendly, and willing to please. I got her and was told they has only been on her back a couple times and my husband decides he should get on her the first day she is at our house, with new horses running around, dogs barking and tractors driving by. She did great! you could tell she didn't know much but he just walked her around the round pen and she seemed very willing just not sure what he wanted. The people I got her from had never done any work to her feet and she let us pick them out pretty easily the first day and the farrier was able to trim her front no problem but said she got a little tougher with the back.
So far I am impressed with her and CAN'T wait to start riding her!
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bvh+bad+fastI'm jealous! love Blue Valentine horses and Heck No Hancock was a very nice stud. I have a grandson of his. Blue Valentine was a very gentle and his offspring are known to be too. Very impressive in the box, quick out. Good bones and feet! Pic?
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Location: SE Louisiana | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM
komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM
Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM
keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way.
Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her!
You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in.
tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it?
You can find it online using "taught to be caught" in quotation marks with the word horse outside the marks, in any search engine. There are even some videos out there. There are several personal methods by different trainers. It is all work in a round pen.
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RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 10:11 AM komet. - 2014-02-19 10:09 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 10:02 AM Longneck - 2014-02-19 8:57 AM keller235 - 2014-02-19 9:49 AM THIS IS ALL MY OPINION, I HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD HANCOCK MARE RIGHT NOW, TRYING TO GET RID OF HER - and i personally will never buy another
They're very smart, teach them good things and you have a good horse, teach them bad things and you have a bad horse :) The seem to hold onto whatever they're taught, so you have to be really careful. They can be very stubborn (mine is.... very, very stubborn on days she doesn't want to work)
In my experience, they don't need to be your friend. They want a job, but they're not in search of a companion.
I did not break or train this Hancock mare I have, she was hard to catch and flighty when I bought her.... 6 years later after trying everything she is still this way. Interesting! Are you saying that the "hard to catch" is genetic?
I had a HARD HARD HARD time catching him the past... I guess you could say he's kinda infamous for his ways. I took him to the vet a couple weeks ago and everyone was asking me if he was still hard as heck to catch. Granted that the vet's assistant his a brother in law to the guy who trained him and another bystander was his old farrier... but they certainly hadn't forgotten!
He has since been penned up in a lot since we're battling thrush, but he now greets me at the gate. I'm not sure if it's because he knows he won't have to be rode or if he's just getting soft with his age... or he just loves the treats that much! I'm not necessarily saying that her being "hard to catch" is genetic, no. It's that whomever trained her made her hard to catch and since she's so smart/stubborn (I'm not sure which it is yet, lol ) I CANNOT get it worked out of her! You both need to look into a method called 'Taught to be Caught'. This actually works well on a Hancock. But don't let up the first few times they come to you... keep drilling it in. tell me more about the method. where do i find info on it?
I did see an infographic on Pinterest a few days ago about body language and how it can look sometimes like a predator coming for your horse if you hide the lead rope in one hand behind your back and have the other hand out showing that it's free. It looks just as if you're a predator coming in for his prey. I thought it was very interesting... might be common knowledge, but it was new to me!
I have 3 horses and all but the one im selling or possibly part trading for the hancock filly come to me anywhere, anytime. Everyone has had tons of hours of Clinton Anderson. I know some horses are more prone to being hard to catch due to personality and training I just don't want to dive into a difficult situation. I'd rather not trade one mouth to feed for another but I LOVE babies.... and roans lol |
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Location: Texas | I bought my gelding because of his dam's bloodlines. Then discovered he was line bred Hancock on his sire's side. I had him broke to ride, and he never bucked. He is now my favorite horse. He's smart and willing to please. Really, he is one of the smartest horses I've ever had. |
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Location: Southern OK aka God's Country | I have a double-bred Hancock mare that I wouldn't take for. She will never be for sale. She has never bitten, kicked, bucked--her only downfall is she is a little on the lazy side but with regular riding she is getting better about moving out and staying together. I know PJ Burger was running a palomino Hancock mare that was a bad*ss B. She was neat to watch (that's been a year or 2 ago). I think her name was Lucy, not sure what became of her. Here is my mare being shown by my 3 year old.
I think people either have a good one or bad one and that shapes their opinion on them from there out. But really that could go for any bloodline, so I'm not sure why Hancocks get such a bad rap.
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Location: Oklahoma | I used to be VERY anti-Hancock, but have tempered that view somewhat and now do not say I won't own one. It will depend on what Hancock lines they have and how old and how they've been handled. I do like the bone on them and most of their looks, if they don't have the big common head. There's certain Hancock lines I like better than others. I think what anyone needs to know when they buy a horse with those bloodlines is that these horses were bred for a job. They are not a good horse for a weekend warrior that just wants to ride on the weekend. IMO they need consistent riding and using to be happy, successful horses and I think that's how they've gotten a bad rap. There's a lot of Hancock bred horses that have made it to the NFR in different events and obviously they're great ranch horses, and a lot of them can really run, so if you go into it KNOWING that they're going to need a LOT of riding, you'll be fine. I do admire a good Hancock horse, but unless they're old and seasoned, they don't fit with my program, and I can't afford the old seasoned ones. lol. I don't like to ride a lot since I'm old. Racehorses that are bred to walk on the walker and be run once in two weeks fit my program better. lol
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Location: SW MO | Like all horses it depends on which Joe Hancock line you are talking about, There are lines I love & lines I don't. It also depends on what other line they are crossed with & who has ridden and who has trained them so people can make an idiot out of any horse. Also do you just have one line to Joe Hancock 6 gen back but your still calling it a Hancock? This happens a lot people just pick one name out of a pedigree and decided it's all the lines fault. This is Rafter Blu we have owned him since he was a yearling he is 15 this April. He is mostly Blue Valentine bred. He has 22 crosses to Joe Hancock. He is a big baby anyone can ride him. You can leave him out in the pasture for months with the mares go get him saddle him up and ride off. He rides with other horses and acts better than a lot people's geldings. He has produced several really good USTRC Rope horses, some barrel horses, even a couple of cutting horses & 3 yrs ago a daughter of his won reserve champion in the MO State Timed Events. His babies are gentle & very easy to train
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Location: Kansas | Here is the hancock mare I used to own, beautiful big grey filly. But OMG she was a monster
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/thirteen+m+dusty+leo
She would reach out and bite the heck out of me. I ate dirt every time I tried to ride her...so I sent her to a trainer...and she broke his arm after the first week she was there....unfortunately I had to put her down because of how mean she was. I don't know if it was the hancock in her....or if it was the breeders fault since they had 50 other horses with her, who beat her up badly.
Now I had a really nice big bay gelding who was hancock bred, never bucked when broke out and he was smarter than a whip! I sure do miss that big bay boy!
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Location: Louisiana | I have a 8 year old hancock gelding that is awesome! He is a true gem! I have owned since he was three and I have never had an issues with him. He is laid back and very easy going. He is a 2d/3d horse that is as solid as they come. My son team ropes on him, both heading and heeling and my husband uses him as a flag horse when he judges. He will also run a pretty good set of poles.
However I know that some of the Hancock bred horses can be a little tough. Gunner is Hancock on the dam side and Playgun on the sire side.
 
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Location: The barn...where else? SW Missouri | I just recently bought my first Hancock bred horse and I love her so far. I bought her the first of December before the snow hit and so haven't really gotten to do much with her since our winter has been miserable. I have worked her on the ground when it's not slick and so far she is very willing and super smart. She rode very quiet when I tried her and hadn't been ridden in about 4 months. Absolutely no buck or hump at all. She was started right though, so thats a big help. I'm excited to see how she comes along. This was taken the night we brought her home. She's a big girl at a little over 15.3 hands. She's a big gentle giant.
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Here is my 16 year old guy!
He also doubles as a llama impersonator.
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Location: Oklahoma | SHORTHORSE - 2014-02-19 11:35 AM I have a 8 year old hancock gelding that is awesome! He is a true gem! I have owned since he was three and I have never had an issues with him. He is laid back and very easy going. He is a 2d/3d horse that is as solid as they come. My son team ropes on him, both heading and heeling and my husband uses him as a flag horse when he judges. He will also run a pretty good set of poles.
However I know that some of the Hancock bred horses can be a little tough. Gunner is Hancock on the dam side and Playgun on the sire side.
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Location: Great NW | Love Love Love my Hancocks, they are smart, solid, friendly, reliable, dependable, athletic, good bone, retain training , powerful and above all they have HEART.
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| Longneck - 2014-02-19 7:46 AM
I have a 16 year old gelding and I love him to pieces. He likes to keep to himself, but with a few treats he won't leave you alone.
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Location: Oklahoma | brlraceaddict - 2014-02-19 12:30 PM Longneck - 2014-02-19 7:46 AM I have a 16 year old gelding and I love him to pieces. He likes to keep to himself, but with a few treats he won't leave you alone.
I didn't break him or train him, so I can't speak for that. Is this the same 16-year old that is naughty and disrespectful in the round pen?
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 Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | I can't seem to get enough Hancock in my pasture... I love them! Easily trained, but if you take your time and drill it in there slow and correct, you won't have to retrain um ;)
Mine are VERY personal, very in your business, very playful, they have the best personalities.
IMHO you can't beat the bone and foot and level headedness on them.
Now if your gonna blame Hancock who is probably 10 generations back for one that bucks? Im wavin the BS flag on it... Hancock himself NEVER bucked... the mares brought to him did.
Mine have been easy to start and finish and a ball in between :)
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| My friends have owned many Hancock bred horses and they were super tough, go all day-durable horses. The general consensus was they were unpredictable and bucked hard at times.
I was in your situation back in August. Found a 8 year old buckskin roan, gorgeous gelding. He came from Wyoming and had many miles put on him. I was hesitant because he was Hancock bred, but I went ahead and purchased him. Was riding him 2 weeks after we bought him and a dog ran out of the woods behind him and he unleashed. He didn't just buck, but he snapped. He was so powerful that he flung me over his head. After a severe concussion and stitches, the previous owner was so gracious to take him back.
My husband's horse has Hancock on his papers and he is the kindest, most solid riding horse.
I wouldn't go out of my way to buy one, but that is just me. So many other bred horses I would rather have!
That being said I think Hancock horses can be great, gritty, hard-working horses. They are just super powerful and I have heard they can be unpredictable. Once you break them, they are usually really nice horses though!
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| I thought of situations like that but this filly isn't 2 yet so she is still learning whats what. I don't think I'm worried about the bucking as much as the non- personable attitude that I have seen and heard about. Mine are very in your pocket, take me, show me horses |
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Location: Somewhere else | I've got one that the first barrel race I took her to she flipped over on her back when I started to get on, so I just thought that the saddle might have pinched her or something. Redo everything get on & she is fine. I've not found a bit that she likes yet so we're working on it. And no I've not done hardly anything with her this winter because of the weather. Easy to catch, sweet mare, take her out to just brush her up & turn her back out. the next time, do the same thing and saddle her & she freaks, pulls back at the trailer. So off to the round pen we go, I take her in & she has the bit on but i take the reins off & she takes off flying around the pen.....I'm just standing in the middle waiting for her to finally get it out of her system. It's kinda wet so yes she does do a little slipping but Hey, she is the one running, never asked her to. Hubby is yelling to catch her before she falls and breaks a leg. finally get her stopped, unsaddle her, she is fine, no problem. I reckon it's just because I hadn't really done anything with her in a while. Really hoping that's what it is cause she is a super nice barrel horse. Beautiful red roan....love her to death but I can't handle the crazy stuff. |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Blueridgedreaming - 2014-02-19 1:26 PM My friends have owned many Hancock bred horses and they were super tough, go all day-durable horses. The general consensus was they were unpredictable and bucked hard at times. I was in your situation back in August. Found a 8 year old buckskin roan, gorgeous gelding. He came from Wyoming and had many miles put on him. I was hesitant because he was Hancock bred, but I went ahead and purchased him. Was riding him 2 weeks after we bought him and a dog ran out of the woods behind him and he unleashed. He didn't just buck, but he snapped. He was so powerful that he flung me over his head. After a severe concussion and stitches, the previous owner was so gracious to take him back. My husband's horse has Hancock on his papers and he is the kindest, most solid riding horse. I wouldn't go out of my way to buy one, but that is just me. So many other bred horses I would rather have! That being said I think Hancock horses can be great, gritty, hard-working horses. They are just super powerful and I have heard they can be unpredictable. Once you break them, they are usually really nice horses though!
Glad your ok, I had one do that to me twice and he didn't have a ounce of Hancock in him... and his owner didn't want him back... go figure...
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Rad Dork
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Location: Oklahoma | No to hijack the thread... but would mane/tail growth have anything to do with genetics?
I'm pretty sure mine is double bred. His mane can't seem to grown, but his tail almost touches the gound! We bought him when he was 8 and didn't have much of mane, but I just thought they might have trimmed it. |
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Location: Louisiana | Longneck - 2014-02-19 1:54 PM No to hijack the thread... but would mane/tail growth have anything to do with genetics?
I'm pretty sure mine is double bred. His mane can't seem to grown, but his tail almost touches the gound! We bought him when he was 8 and didn't have much of mane, but I just thought they might have trimmed it.
My guy has a very long mane and tail |
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| Added her pedigree please tell what you think |
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Ms Bling Bling Sleeze Kitty
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 2:46 PM Added her pedigree please tell what you think
your link didn't attach but here http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/peptos+red+hobby
Ive never owned, but know some peppy san badgers could be waspy... Im not sayin they all are, as I have had friends with super gentle ones too... but I honestly like the pedigree on that pony myself :) if you have time and patience for a colt I would take the chance :) |
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Location: Louisiana | cindyt - 2014-02-19 2:52 PM
RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 2:46 PM Added her pedigree please tell what you think
your link didn't attach but here http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/peptos+red+hobby Ive never owned, but know some peppy san badgers could be waspy... Im not sayin they all are, as I have had friends with super gentle ones too... but I honestly like the pedigree on that pony myself :) if you have time and patience for a colt I would take the chance :)
Gotta agree about the Peppy San Badger horses, they to can have a ticket to buck. |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | I always enjoy reading everyone's responses to hancock horses. I have one, this is my first hancock horse ever. I bought him as a yearling and took him to a trainer for 60 days...the guy did a great job with him. When I first went to look at this colt, there were other colts in the pen with him and they all wanted your attention, he was the guy at the back of the pen not wanting to come up. THIS is the best horse ever! He rides amazingly smooth, go all day and prefers to be working...so if you are planning on taking a trail ride you have better involve drills on that trail ride. He did buck once, as a 3 year old, like an NFR horse, I got a concussion but he was young and hasn't done it since and I still wouldn't trade him! |
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Location: Great NW | cindyt - 2014-02-19 12:52 PM RoaniePonie11 - 2014-02-19 2:46 PM Added her pedigree please tell what you think your link didn't attach but here http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/peptos+red+hobby
Ive never owned, but know some peppy san badgers could be waspy... Im not sayin they all are, as I have had friends with super gentle ones too... but I honestly like the pedigree on that pony myself :) if you have time and patience for a colt I would take the chance :)
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Location: Kansas and loving it | I love my mare. A true blue roan. Never thought I would have one because of my job, but she is 15 yrs old, so I get a little breathing room. But she can go at a good clip for miles across fields. I am no tin cup to carry either. Leo Hancock dream is her sire. She is a Canadian bred. |
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| First I want to say your mare has some great foundation lines. But this thread is a perfect example of how Hancock takes the blame for other lines. This mare has more Three Bars and King in her than true Hancock. Her Grandsire, JP Hancock Eighteen, is the only line that has any Hancock and 31.25% of that is Blue Valentine, which is known for a gentle, athletic, easy going horses. All in all though, she has an impressive pedigree in my eyes. Something I would purchase. |
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 The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I wonder how many of these horses that folks say "need a job" or "need to be ridden daily" have PSSM and/or MH? |
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Location: NC | RacingQH - 2014-02-20 11:47 AM I wonder how many of these horses that folks say "need a job" or "need to be ridden daily" have PSSM and/or MH?
What is MH?
Are hancocks known for these disorders? Thanks |
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Location: SW MO | RacingQH - 2014-02-20 11:47 AM I wonder how many of these horses that folks say "need a job" or "need to be ridden daily" have PSSM and/or MH?
A lot of the stallions & dams are now being tested & coming back N
The problem was Hancock horses were bred to with horses on ranches that need big country horses. They would travel miles a day in rough rough country & so they needed to have a lot of go.
People went out there bought them brought them home put them in a stall or a small lot feed them a lot of grain & good hay then wanted to ride them once a month on trail ride. It didn't work out very good for the rider or the horse. |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I have read that Roan Hancock is a suspect. As well as Eddie Cinco and Eddie 60. There is also talk about Yellow Jacket especially via Wagoneers Rainy Day (sp). I'm not "blaming" Joe Hancock himself or all of his sone/daughters. Just wondering if this could be a contributing factor to how different they CAN be. Meaning some that pretty much MUST be ridden/worked daily to be a deceint horse, vs. ones that can be off for a long period of time and ride off like they were ridden every day. (Like the one we have. And he is out of a daughter of Bunny Bid. So it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was prone to wanting to buck. But he isn't. Never has been, have had him since birth and he is now 13yo.) |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | HorsesNHarleys - 2014-02-20 10:16 AM RacingQH - 2014-02-20 11:47 AM I wonder how many of these horses that folks say "need a job" or "need to be ridden daily" have PSSM and/or MH? What is MH?
Are hancocks known for these disorders? Thanks
I wouldn't say they are "known" for these disorders. But SOME do have some horses that are suspected to be carriers in their pedigrees. (See post above.) |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | HorsesNHarleys - 2014-02-20 10:16 AM RacingQH - 2014-02-20 11:47 AM I wonder how many of these horses that folks say "need a job" or "need to be ridden daily" have PSSM and/or MH? What is MH?
Are hancocks known for these disorders? Thanks
http://www.horsetesting.com/MH.htm |
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Also, have you seen her papers to make sure she is HYPP N/N? (Formally Attired and Conclusive are both N/H. I don't know about the others from that line and am too cheap to look on AQHA. :) )
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